On 9/4/23 2:59 AM, trotsky wrote:
> On 9/3/23 1:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> In article <CvSIM.1083127$GMN3.777142@fx16.iad>,
>>   moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/2/2023 7:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>> In article <lXOIM.700288$TCKc.328693@fx13.iad>,
>>>>    moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/2/2023 4:34 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>> In article <EXMIM.145340$VPEa.70085@fx33.iad>,
>>>>>>     moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/2/2023 3:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>> In article <KGtIM.174433$X02a.155451@fx46.iad>,
>>>>>>>>      moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/1/2023 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2023 at 2:37:11 PM PDT, "moviePig"
>>>>>>>>>> <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/1/2023 5:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> If they can regulate "distracting" student attire that detracts
>>>>>>>>>>>> from the learning environment (and they can), then they can
>>>>>>>>>>>> certainly do the same for teachers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You'd have to show that his giant boobs cause the kids to
>>>>>>>>>>> learn less
>>>>>>>>>>> shop
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not any more than the school has to objectively prove that a
>>>>>>>>>> kid's
>>>>>>>>>> MAGA t-shirt causes the kids to learn less in math class.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> whereas I suspect rather the opposite.  E.g., I'll bet his
>>>>>>>>>>> command
>>>>>>>>>>> of their attention was at an all-time high.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That school, we surmised, had a regulation prohibiting political
>>>>>>>>> symbols. If so, you might object to a *teacher* in a MAGA shirt
>>>>>>>>> (though, believe it or not, teachers' rules can differ from
>>>>>>>>> students').
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since the trans issue is highly political, and you've asserted
>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>> teacher was behaving as a sexual activist, how would banning his
>>>>>>>> behavior be any different from prohibiting MAGA shirts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Giant fake boobs aren't automatically a 'trans' issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He was claiming to be a woman. It was a trans issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nor is 'trans', per se, a political one -- any more than, say,
>>>>>>> pregnancy is. 'MAGA', however, is virtually a trademarked party
>>>>>>> slogan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Using that criteria, the Gadsden flag shouldn't have been political,
>>>>>> either, yet you claimed it was.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Gadsden flag has become a generally recognized political symbol
>>>>
>>>> So has the trans issue.
>>>>> however admirable one my find the principle underlying its statement
>>>>> ...whereas 'trans' is a minority condition, like homosexuality.
>>>>
>>>> So BLM isn't political because it deals with minorities?
>>>>
>>>> Or illegal immigration?
>>
>> No answer here?
>>
>>>> Interesting...
>>>
>>> His claiming to be trans doesn't automatically raise an 'issue'
>>> (...except, of course, for those who take issue with it).  As long as he
>>> doesn't proselytize, how he "identifies" is nobody's business.
>>
>> LOL! Like those gigantic grotesque breasts aren't a form of
>> proselytization...
>
>
> Wait, are you talking about a "troon" or the now MIA Malaria Trump? What
> happened to her, did Trump have her killed?  Why aren't right wing
> assholes concerned?
>

Now, now, now... he's just keeping her in the original box, in case he
wants to return her in good condition. (I hear they're worth more that
way.)

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On 9/4/2023 3:41 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Sat, 2 Sep 2023 16:30:26 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Giant fake boobs aren't automatically a 'trans' issue. Nor is 'trans',
>> per se, a political one -- any more than, say, pregnancy is. 'MAGA',
>> however, is virtually a trademarked party slogan.
>>
>> My recall is that the shop teacher didn't accompany his attire with any
>> polemics. And, on its face, its "message" is actually multi-valent.
>
> If I correctly understand what you mean by 'multi-valent' no it isn't.
>
> At the same time, in a shop class schools routinely demand clothing
> safe for in a shop setting (which differs from a math english or
> science class) for teacher and student safety.
>
> Prosthetic breast are NOT a solution for a medical problem nor a
> result of plastic surgery so there should be no legal problem with the
> school board demanding the teacher remove articles of clothing that
> however much they may or may not accent his sexual identity (which I
> question) but DEFINITELY both teacher and student have a right to a
> safe teaching environment and ornamental breast prosthetics are NOT a
> safety device in a shop classroom.
>
> I remind you when this came up I talked about my grade 8 shop safety
> presentation and specific types of clothing (the main one I remember
> was baggy sweaters which could catch on tools or machinery since in
> other classes I routinely worse such sweaters particularly in winter)
> and suggested that while I didn't take a class poll, I am skeptical
> after watching the safety video too many 8th graders in that class
> slept well that night - it was one of those "don't let this happen to
> you!" films which graphically showed examples of classroom accidents
> that had occured.
>
> I say again pendulous breasts DO present potential for either the
> teacher getting caught or bumping a student into an unsafe position
> and in a shop class that should be THE biggest no-no in the book!

Yes, I doubt much of that was on his mind, and perhaps should have been.
But my point is that his attire, without an accompanying screed, as an
attempt to make a specific point, was a tremendous bust.

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 16:29:30 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:

>>Then why do you insist (above) that they're "a form of proselytizing"?

>>Meanwhile, "headlines" are a big part of society's shared vocabulary.
>>And *my* sense is that the 'BLM' logo has acquired an unavoidable hue of
>>political violence ...as opposed to, say, the Rainbow Flag's parades.

>>Btw, those "Marxist public school teachers" you want condemned probably
>>don't know the first thing about Marxism.

>Yet I had a teacher who if not Marxist was extreme left (he was an
>International Brigade alumnus) who taught mathematics and pre-calculus
>and was one helluva teacher because he stuck to his subject and did it
>VERY well indeed.

The very best mathematics teacher I had taught third-year calculus in
college, which I took over the summer. He was a visiting professor and
got hired full time somewhere else, which was too bad.

I never heard his political views. How on earth were you exposed to your
teacher's political views?

>I'm pretty sure he knew my grandfather's politics (Grandad had run
>twice for the federal Conservative party which this teacher abhored)
>but never held it against me - I worked extra hard in math class and
>thoroughly earned my "A". At the end of the year I asked him about the
>brigades and he gave me a decent and honest answer - but that was
>after class not in place of the actual course content.

Did you start the earlier conversations too?

>. . .

On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 16:18:25 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 16:29:30 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>>>Then why do you insist (above) that they're "a form of proselytizing"?
>
>>>Meanwhile, "headlines" are a big part of society's shared vocabulary.
>>>And *my* sense is that the 'BLM' logo has acquired an unavoidable hue of
>>>political violence ...as opposed to, say, the Rainbow Flag's parades.
>
>>>Btw, those "Marxist public school teachers" you want condemned probably
>>>don't know the first thing about Marxism.
>
>>Yet I had a teacher who if not Marxist was extreme left (he was an
>>International Brigade alumnus) who taught mathematics and pre-calculus
>>and was one helluva teacher because he stuck to his subject and did it
>>VERY well indeed.
>
>The very best mathematics teacher I had taught third-year calculus in
>college, which I took over the summer. He was a visiting professor and
>got hired full time somewhere else, which was too bad.
>
>I never heard his political views. How on earth were you exposed to your
>teacher's political views?
>
Yeah, I would have a hard time picking out the political views of any
of my teachers. I could guess at many but it would be a guess as I
don't ever recall their political opinions coming up. Oh, wait, there
was one teacher back in high school who decided to perform "Suicide is
Painless" one day to help entertain the class. That's about the
closest any teacher ever came to expressing an opinion on things
outside of the subject matter at hand.
>>I'm pretty sure he knew my grandfather's politics (Grandad had run
>>twice for the federal Conservative party which this teacher abhored)
>>but never held it against me - I worked extra hard in math class and
>>thoroughly earned my "A". At the end of the year I asked him about the
>>brigades and he gave me a decent and honest answer - but that was
>>after class not in place of the actual course content.
>
>Did you start the earlier conversations too?
>
>>. . .

Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>> On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 16:29:30 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
>>> Then why do you insist (above) that they're "a form of proselytizing"?
>
>>> Meanwhile, "headlines" are a big part of society's shared vocabulary.
>>> And *my* sense is that the 'BLM' logo has acquired an unavoidable hue of
>>> political violence ...as opposed to, say, the Rainbow Flag's parades.
>
>>> Btw, those "Marxist public school teachers" you want condemned probably
>>> don't know the first thing about Marxism.
>
>> Yet I had a teacher who if not Marxist was extreme left (he was an
>> International Brigade alumnus) who taught mathematics and pre-calculus
>> and was one helluva teacher because he stuck to his subject and did it
>> VERY well indeed.
>
> The very best mathematics teacher I had taught third-year calculus in
> college, which I took over the summer. He was a visiting professor and
> got hired full time somewhere else, which was too bad.
>
> I never heard his political views. How on earth were you exposed to your
> teacher's political views?

My high school social studies teacher gave extra credit if you register to
vote. But only if you registered to vote Democrat.

>
>> I'm pretty sure he knew my grandfather's politics (Grandad had run
>> twice for the federal Conservative party which this teacher abhored)
>> but never held it against me - I worked extra hard in math class and
>> thoroughly earned my "A". At the end of the year I asked him about the
>> brigades and he gave me a decent and honest answer - but that was
>> after class not in place of the actual course content.
>
> Did you start the earlier conversations too?
>
>> . . .
>

--
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In article <ud500h$1hjke$5@dont-email.me>,
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
> >On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 16:29:30 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>
> >>Then why do you insist (above) that they're "a form of proselytizing"?
>
> >>Meanwhile, "headlines" are a big part of society's shared vocabulary.
> >>And *my* sense is that the 'BLM' logo has acquired an unavoidable hue of
> >>political violence ...as opposed to, say, the Rainbow Flag's parades.
>
> >>Btw, those "Marxist public school teachers" you want condemned probably
> >>don't know the first thing about Marxism.
>
> >Yet I had a teacher who if not Marxist was extreme left (he was an
> >International Brigade alumnus) who taught mathematics and pre-calculus
> >and was one helluva teacher because he stuck to his subject and did it
> >VERY well indeed.
>
> The very best mathematics teacher I had taught third-year calculus in
> college, which I took over the summer. He was a visiting professor and
> got hired full time somewhere else, which was too bad.
>
> I never heard his political views. How on earth were you exposed to your
> teacher's political views?

Most of the time we never even knew if our teachers were married or had
kids.

Now teachers not only flaunt their private lives to their students, they
give detailed descriptions about their bedroom activities.

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>In article <ud500h$1hjke$5@dont-email.me>,
> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>> >On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 16:29:30 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>Then why do you insist (above) that they're "a form of proselytizing"?
>>
>> >>Meanwhile, "headlines" are a big part of society's shared vocabulary.
>> >>And *my* sense is that the 'BLM' logo has acquired an unavoidable hue of
>> >>political violence ...as opposed to, say, the Rainbow Flag's parades.
>>
>> >>Btw, those "Marxist public school teachers" you want condemned probably
>> >>don't know the first thing about Marxism.
>>
>> >Yet I had a teacher who if not Marxist was extreme left (he was an
>> >International Brigade alumnus) who taught mathematics and pre-calculus
>> >and was one helluva teacher because he stuck to his subject and did it
>> >VERY well indeed.
>>
>> The very best mathematics teacher I had taught third-year calculus in
>> college, which I took over the summer. He was a visiting professor and
>> got hired full time somewhere else, which was too bad.
>>
>> I never heard his political views. How on earth were you exposed to your
>> teacher's political views?
>
>Most of the time we never even knew if our teachers were married or had
>kids.
>
>Now teachers not only flaunt their private lives to their students, they
>give detailed descriptions about their bedroom activities.

Yeah, I know. Really the First Amendment shouldn't apply to "too much
information" like that.

In article <ud55rc$1il9g$2@dont-email.me>,
"Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> >In article <ud500h$1hjke$5@dont-email.me>,
> > "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
> >
> >> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
> >> >On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 16:29:30 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>Then why do you insist (above) that they're "a form of proselytizing"?
> >>
> >> >>Meanwhile, "headlines" are a big part of society's shared vocabulary.
> >> >>And *my* sense is that the 'BLM' logo has acquired an unavoidable hue of
> >> >>political violence ...as opposed to, say, the Rainbow Flag's parades.
> >>
> >> >>Btw, those "Marxist public school teachers" you want condemned probably
> >> >>don't know the first thing about Marxism.
> >>
> >> >Yet I had a teacher who if not Marxist was extreme left (he was an
> >> >International Brigade alumnus) who taught mathematics and pre-calculus
> >> >and was one helluva teacher because he stuck to his subject and did it
> >> >VERY well indeed.
> >>
> >> The very best mathematics teacher I had taught third-year calculus in
> >> college, which I took over the summer. He was a visiting professor and
> >> got hired full time somewhere else, which was too bad.
> >>
> >> I never heard his political views. How on earth were you exposed to your
> >> teacher's political views?
> >
> >Most of the time we never even knew if our teachers were married or had
> >kids.
> >
> >Now teachers not only flaunt their private lives to their students, they
> >give detailed descriptions about their bedroom activities.
>
> Yeah, I know. Really the First Amendment shouldn't apply to "too much
> information" like that.

If you have pink hair, a neck tattoo, and a nose ring, literally no one
wants to know what you do with your sex organs.

On Mon, 04 Sep 2023 10:56:10 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>In article <ud500h$1hjke$5@dont-email.me>,
> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>> >On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 16:29:30 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>
>> >>Then why do you insist (above) that they're "a form of proselytizing"?
>>
>> >>Meanwhile, "headlines" are a big part of society's shared vocabulary.
>> >>And *my* sense is that the 'BLM' logo has acquired an unavoidable hue of
>> >>political violence ...as opposed to, say, the Rainbow Flag's parades.
>>
>> >>Btw, those "Marxist public school teachers" you want condemned probably
>> >>don't know the first thing about Marxism.
>>
>> >Yet I had a teacher who if not Marxist was extreme left (he was an
>> >International Brigade alumnus) who taught mathematics and pre-calculus
>> >and was one helluva teacher because he stuck to his subject and did it
>> >VERY well indeed.
>>
>> The very best mathematics teacher I had taught third-year calculus in
>> college, which I took over the summer. He was a visiting professor and
>> got hired full time somewhere else, which was too bad.
>>
>> I never heard his political views. How on earth were you exposed to your
>> teacher's political views?
>
>Most of the time we never even knew if our teachers were married or had
>kids.
>
>Now teachers not only flaunt their private lives to their students, they
>give detailed descriptions about their bedroom activities.

The most I ever knew about my teacher's private lives was with my six
grade art teacher. One time in passing she mentioned that she liked to
walk around nude at home. Given that she also lived with another
teacher, a female science teacher, it's possible they were lesbians.
Though I couldn't say for sure because I didn't know anything else
about them.

shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

>>. . .

>The most I ever knew about my teacher's private lives was with my six
>grade art teacher. One time in passing she mentioned that she liked to
>walk around nude at home. Given that she also lived with another
>teacher, a female science teacher, it's possible they were lesbians.
>Though I couldn't say for sure because I didn't know anything else
>about them.

You should have asked them to pose so you could learn figure drawing!

On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 19:30:41 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>
>>>. . .
>
>>The most I ever knew about my teacher's private lives was with my six
>>grade art teacher. One time in passing she mentioned that she liked to
>>walk around nude at home. Given that she also lived with another
>>teacher, a female science teacher, it's possible they were lesbians.
>>Though I couldn't say for sure because I didn't know anything else
>>about them.
>
>You should have asked them to pose so you could learn figure drawing!

Um, I could draw a few round balloons on top of each other to get a
rough drawing of the art teacher. She wasn't a light weight person.
Nice lady, but not light by any means.

On 9/3/23 12:46 AM, FPP wrote:
>On 9/2/23 11:45 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>> On Sep 2, 2023 at 7:41:01 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/2/2023 8:04 PM, FPP wrote:
>>>> On 9/2/23 4:34 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <EXMIM.145340$VPEa.70085@fx33.iad>,
>>>>>   moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/2/2023 3:08 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <KGtIM.174433$X02a.155451@fx46.iad>,
>>>>>>>    moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/1/2023 5:42 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 1, 2023 at 2:37:11 PM PDT, "moviePig" <pwallace@moviepig.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/1/2023 5:01 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> If they can regulate "distracting" student attire that detracts
>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>> the learning environment (and they can), then they can certainly
>>>>>>>>>>> do the
>>>>>>>>>>> same for teachers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You'd have to show that his giant boobs cause the kids to learn less
>>>>>>>>>> shop
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not any more than the school has to objectively prove that a kid's
>>>>>>>>> MAGA
>>>>>>>>> t-shirt causes the kids to learn less in math class.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> whereas I suspect rather the opposite.  E.g., I'll bet his command
>>>>>>>>>> of their attention was at an all-time high.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That school, we surmised, had a regulation prohibiting political
>>>>>>>> symbols.  If so, you might object to a *teacher* in a MAGA shirt
>>>>>>>> (though, believe it or not, teachers' rules can differ from
>>>>>>>> students').
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Since the trans issue is highly political, and you've asserted that the
>>>>>>> teacher was behaving as a sexual activist, how would banning his
>>>>>>> behavior be any different from prohibiting MAGA shirts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Giant fake boobs aren't automatically a 'trans' issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> He was claiming to be a woman. It was a trans issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Nor is 'trans', per se, a political one -- any more than, say,
>>>>>> pregnancy is.  'MAGA', however, is virtually a trademarked party slogan.
>>>>>
>>>>> Using that criteria, the Gadsden flag shouldn't have been political,
>>>>> either, yet you claimed it was.
>>>>
>>>> Because political groups have claimed it as such.
>>
>> Political groups have claimed the gay rainbow flag as such as well, but for
>> some reason that one's never an issue in schoolrooms.
>>
>>> And successfully. Maybe we need a third mention of the swastika's
>>> innocent origins...
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8asoiu2czaoex4n/RainbowSS.png?dl=0
>
>
>Name the political party that flies the rainbow flag as their symbol.
>And you're a fucking liar, again.
>
>The flag with the swastika image is actually FOUR gay pride flags placed
>in such a way to form that swastika. It isn't a symbol of anything...
>it's 4 flags place adjacent to form something that wasn't intended.
>
>> Just so we are all tracking, that’s 4 flags laid out together. “Coincidentally” they make the Nazi symbol when laid this way.
>
>https://twitter.com/ZeroBubble17/status/1529739957983641600
>
>It's a coincidence, not a statement. For fuck's sake CAN'T YOU EVER
>TELL THE TRUTH???

Survey says no.
--
This space for rent.

On 9/4/23 1:56 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <ud500h$1hjke$5@dont-email.me>,
> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 16:29:30 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Then why do you insist (above) that they're "a form of proselytizing"?
>>
>>>> Meanwhile, "headlines" are a big part of society's shared vocabulary.
>>>> And *my* sense is that the 'BLM' logo has acquired an unavoidable hue of
>>>> political violence ...as opposed to, say, the Rainbow Flag's parades.
>>
>>>> Btw, those "Marxist public school teachers" you want condemned probably
>>>> don't know the first thing about Marxism.
>>
>>> Yet I had a teacher who if not Marxist was extreme left (he was an
>>> International Brigade alumnus) who taught mathematics and pre-calculus
>>> and was one helluva teacher because he stuck to his subject and did it
>>> VERY well indeed.
>>
>> The very best mathematics teacher I had taught third-year calculus in
>> college, which I took over the summer. He was a visiting professor and
>> got hired full time somewhere else, which was too bad.
>>
>> I never heard his political views. How on earth were you exposed to your
>> teacher's political views?
>
> Most of the time we never even knew if our teachers were married or had
> kids.
>
> Now teachers not only flaunt their private lives to their students, they
> give detailed descriptions about their bedroom activities.

So you acknowledge that in the 21st century, it easier to find out
things? Man, you're really sharp, aren't you?

When I was school age, I used to look up things in my set of World Book
Encyclopedia. It was really shitty about keeping up with the latest trends.

--
"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC
Bible 25B.G.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0

Gracie, age 6.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0

On 9/4/23 2:20 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <ud55rc$1il9g$2@dont-email.me>,
> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>
>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>> In article <ud500h$1hjke$5@dont-email.me>,
>>> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 16:29:30 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Then why do you insist (above) that they're "a form of proselytizing"?
>>>>
>>>>>> Meanwhile, "headlines" are a big part of society's shared vocabulary.
>>>>>> And *my* sense is that the 'BLM' logo has acquired an unavoidable hue of
>>>>>> political violence ...as opposed to, say, the Rainbow Flag's parades.
>>>>
>>>>>> Btw, those "Marxist public school teachers" you want condemned probably
>>>>>> don't know the first thing about Marxism.
>>>>
>>>>> Yet I had a teacher who if not Marxist was extreme left (he was an
>>>>> International Brigade alumnus) who taught mathematics and pre-calculus
>>>>> and was one helluva teacher because he stuck to his subject and did it
>>>>> VERY well indeed.
>>>>
>>>> The very best mathematics teacher I had taught third-year calculus in
>>>> college, which I took over the summer. He was a visiting professor and
>>>> got hired full time somewhere else, which was too bad.
>>>>
>>>> I never heard his political views. How on earth were you exposed to your
>>>> teacher's political views?
>>>
>>> Most of the time we never even knew if our teachers were married or had
>>> kids.
>>>
>>> Now teachers not only flaunt their private lives to their students, they
>>> give detailed descriptions about their bedroom activities.
>>
>> Yeah, I know. Really the First Amendment shouldn't apply to "too much
>> information" like that.
>
> If you have pink hair, a neck tattoo, and a nose ring, literally no one
> wants to know what you do with your sex organs.
>

Well, almost no one normal, anyway. And then there's you.

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On 9/4/23 2:46 PM, shawn wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Sep 2023 10:56:10 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <ud500h$1hjke$5@dont-email.me>,
>> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 16:29:30 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Then why do you insist (above) that they're "a form of proselytizing"?
>>>
>>>>> Meanwhile, "headlines" are a big part of society's shared vocabulary.
>>>>> And *my* sense is that the 'BLM' logo has acquired an unavoidable hue of
>>>>> political violence ...as opposed to, say, the Rainbow Flag's parades.
>>>
>>>>> Btw, those "Marxist public school teachers" you want condemned probably
>>>>> don't know the first thing about Marxism.
>>>
>>>> Yet I had a teacher who if not Marxist was extreme left (he was an
>>>> International Brigade alumnus) who taught mathematics and pre-calculus
>>>> and was one helluva teacher because he stuck to his subject and did it
>>>> VERY well indeed.
>>>
>>> The very best mathematics teacher I had taught third-year calculus in
>>> college, which I took over the summer. He was a visiting professor and
>>> got hired full time somewhere else, which was too bad.
>>>
>>> I never heard his political views. How on earth were you exposed to your
>>> teacher's political views?
>>
>> Most of the time we never even knew if our teachers were married or had
>> kids.
>>
>> Now teachers not only flaunt their private lives to their students, they
>> give detailed descriptions about their bedroom activities.
>
> The most I ever knew about my teacher's private lives was with my six
> grade art teacher. One time in passing she mentioned that she liked to
> walk around nude at home. Given that she also lived with another
> teacher, a female science teacher, it's possible they were lesbians.
> Though I couldn't say for sure because I didn't know anything else
> about them.
>

Why didn't you just Google them?

(Shhhhhh... don't tell Thanny. Let him figure it out for himself why
people know a lot more about other people now. It'll give him a sense
of accomplishment.)

--
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Gracie, age 6.
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On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 16:18:25 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>On Sun, 3 Sep 2023 16:29:30 -0400, moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com> wrote:
>>Yet I had a teacher who if not Marxist was extreme left (he was an
>>International Brigade alumnus) who taught mathematics and pre-calculus
>>and was one helluva teacher because he stuck to his subject and did it
>>VERY well indeed.
>
>The very best mathematics teacher I had taught third-year calculus in
>college, which I took over the summer. He was a visiting professor and
>got hired full time somewhere else, which was too bad.
>
>I never heard his political views. How on earth were you exposed to your
>teacher's political views?

Because he had a bullet scar over his eyebrow and a student asked him
if he had gotten it 'in the war' (this was around 1972). He hesitated
and said 'Actually I got it in Spain....' and told the story.

He >didn't< tell us what the International Brigades were but a student
later asked if he was in the Mackenzie-Papineaus which was the
Canadian IB brigade to which he said yes and told the story about how
after his discharge from the Mac-Paps played tourist from January to
September 1939 then upon outbreak of war got himself to the Canadian
consulate in London, presented his discharge papers (which detailed
what he had been doing 1936-39) and volunteered for service. He said
they gave him a uniform, assigned him as a rifle instructor to a
British unit then transferred him to a Canadian unit in Britain until
it was time to go to Normandy and points east. Then described his
university experience under the Canadian version of the GI bill.

I learned about his political views both from his participation in the
IBs and a letter in the magazine of the teacher's union (my mother was
also a teacher but even in grade 11 it was easy to look up and find
which side the International Brigades were on) which made his
political views quite clear.

Again - no question his views were far left but equally clear he was
an absolutely first rate teacher and from his pre-calculus class I was
very well prepared for university.

While his students didn't need a crowbar to get his political views
out of him, he wasn't at all forthcoming until it was clear the right
questions had been asked of him.

>>I'm pretty sure he knew my grandfather's politics (Grandad had run
>>twice for the federal Conservative party which this teacher abhored)
>>but never held it against me - I worked extra hard in math class and
>>thoroughly earned my "A". At the end of the year I asked him about the
>>brigades and he gave me a decent and honest answer - but that was
>>after class not in place of the actual course content.
>
>Did you start the earlier conversations too?
>
>>. . .

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:

>>. . .

>Because he had a bullet scar over his eyebrow and a student asked him
>if he had gotten it 'in the war' (this was around 1972). He hesitated
>and said 'Actually I got it in Spain....' and told the story. . . .

Very interesting story; thank you

On Mon, 04 Sep 2023 12:25:29 -0400, shawn
<nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:

>Yeah, I would have a hard time picking out the political views of any
>of my teachers. I could guess at many but it would be a guess as I
>don't ever recall their political opinions coming up. Oh, wait, there
>was one teacher back in high school who decided to perform "Suicide is
>Painless" one day to help entertain the class. That's about the
>closest any teacher ever came to expressing an opinion on things
>outside of the subject matter at hand.

Well our history teacher had been a Canadian military intelligence
officer and some of the kids had heard him and the math teacher
arguing through the staff room door. The physics teacher had emigrated
from Germany to Canada and would have been about 12-13 years old when
the war ended - my grade 12 year we finished the curriculum a couple
of days early and he was happy to answer the question of how he had
come to Canada. Turns out he had been in an SS training school for
boys at war's end and gotten basic firearms training including
grenades, had a few stories on that and by 1950 when he had come to
Canada he had been a very successful amateur boxer and came to Canada
just after he had missed qualification for the German Olympic team.

This was especially of interest to the students since the 1976 Olympic
middleweight silver medallist was a graduate of our high school and he
and the physics teacher (who outweighed him by 30 lbs and at least 25
years did a chairity exhibition match). (We also had an Olympics
silver medallist figure skater amongst our alumni though not my year
which is mostly significant since our class of 1973 - including me -
has their 50th anniversary reunion next Saturday and I'm going)

On Mon, 04 Sep 2023 10:56:10 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>> The very best mathematics teacher I had taught third-year calculus in
>> college, which I took over the summer. He was a visiting professor and
>> got hired full time somewhere else, which was too bad.
>>
>> I never heard his political views. How on earth were you exposed to your
>> teacher's political views?
>
>Most of the time we never even knew if our teachers were married or had
>kids.
>
>Now teachers not only flaunt their private lives to their students, they
>give detailed descriptions about their bedroom activities.

Whereas back in the 70s we knew who had kids. There was a certain
merriment over one cheerleader at our senior high who by her surname
was obviously the daughter of our jr high science teacher and the
joking was that she obviously physically took after her mother since
any girl with her father's looks would never have made the
cheerleading squad!

On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:58:04 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>>Now teachers not only flaunt their private lives to their students, they
>>give detailed descriptions about their bedroom activities.
>
>Yeah, I know. Really the First Amendment shouldn't apply to "too much
>information" like that.

By the time I graduated several teachers had small family photos on
their desks.

I think it's fair that kids know their teachers have lives outside the
classroom but they shouldn't be 'in their face'. After all - both the
aforementioned math teacher (who served in Spain) and our
vice-principal were heavy smokers as evidenced by their discolored
fingertips but we never ever saw them actually smoke.

On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 19:30:41 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>
>>>. . .
>
>>The most I ever knew about my teacher's private lives was with my six
>>grade art teacher. One time in passing she mentioned that she liked to
>>walk around nude at home. Given that she also lived with another
>>teacher, a female science teacher, it's possible they were lesbians.
>>Though I couldn't say for sure because I didn't know anything else
>>about them.
>
>You should have asked them to pose so you could learn figure drawing!

In grade six???

On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 19:25:41 -0400, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Now teachers not only flaunt their private lives to their students, they
>> give detailed descriptions about their bedroom activities.
>
>So you acknowledge that in the 21st century, it easier to find out
>things? Man, you're really sharp, aren't you?
>
>When I was school age, I used to look up things in my set of World Book
>Encyclopedia. It was really shitty about keeping up with the latest trends.

What finally convinced me that my children and I were different
generations was when my history major daughter asked me to tell her
about "something that happened in my lifetime but before I was old
enough to understand or remember" (she was referring to herself not
me)

I said "how about the time the President of the United States barfed
on the Japanese prime minister?" She was with her friends and none of
them believed me but after I insisted it was true and that it was
"right at the beginning of 1992" (she was born in 1987 so she agreed
that date satisfied her question) all of them were looking at it on
Youtube on one of their phones.

All less than a minute after her question.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush_vomiting_incident

On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 19:26:46 -0400, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:

>> If you have pink hair, a neck tattoo, and a nose ring, literally no one
>> wants to know what you do with your sex organs.
>>
>
>Well, almost no one normal, anyway. And then there's you.

Most I ever saw of my teachers were two phys ed teachers coming out of
the showers wearing nothing but towels - but they WERE wearing towels

On 9/5/23 12:03 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 19:25:41 -0400, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> Now teachers not only flaunt their private lives to their students, they
>>> give detailed descriptions about their bedroom activities.
>>
>> So you acknowledge that in the 21st century, it easier to find out
>> things? Man, you're really sharp, aren't you?
>>
>> When I was school age, I used to look up things in my set of World Book
>> Encyclopedia. It was really shitty about keeping up with the latest trends.
>
> What finally convinced me that my children and I were different
> generations was when my history major daughter asked me to tell her
> about "something that happened in my lifetime but before I was old
> enough to understand or remember" (she was referring to herself not
> me)
>
> I said "how about the time the President of the United States barfed
> on the Japanese prime minister?" She was with her friends and none of
> them believed me but after I insisted it was true and that it was
> "right at the beginning of 1992" (she was born in 1987 so she agreed
> that date satisfied her question) all of them were looking at it on
> Youtube on one of their phones.
>
> All less than a minute after her question.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush_vomiting_incident
>

I remember that. Today, somebody would try impeaching him for it...

--
"Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC
Bible 25B.G.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0

Gracie, age 6.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Sep 2023 10:56:10 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>
>>> The very best mathematics teacher I had taught third-year calculus in
>>> college, which I took over the summer. He was a visiting professor and
>>> got hired full time somewhere else, which was too bad.
>>>
>>> I never heard his political views. How on earth were you exposed to your
>>> teacher's political views?
>>
>> Most of the time we never even knew if our teachers were married or had
>> kids.
>>
>> Now teachers not only flaunt their private lives to their students, they
>> give detailed descriptions about their bedroom activities.
>
> Whereas back in the 70s we knew who had kids. There was a certain
> merriment over one cheerleader at our senior high who by her surname
> was obviously the daughter of our jr high science teacher and the
> joking was that she obviously physically took after her mother since
> any girl with her father's looks would never have made the
> cheerleading squad!
>

We knew all about this douche bags family.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sherri_Chessen?wprov=sfti1

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