Which Doctor Who stories would you give the "lemonade treatment"? That
is, make lemonades out of the lemon, which means to improve the taste or
quality, either by rewriting it or making a follow up story that makes
it look better.

Here's my list. I'm just listing the stories now, but I might come back
later to explain how I'd fix each one, if I'm not busy on a secret
mission. ;-)

1st Doctor:
The Space Museum
Galaxy Four
The Gunfighters

2nd Doctor:
The Underwater Menace
Fury From the Deep
The Space Pirates

3rd Doctor:
The Mutants
The Time Monster

4th Doctor:
The Hand of Fear
Underworld
Nightmare of Eden

5th Doctor:
Time-Flight

6th Doctor:
The Twin Dilemma
Timelash

7th Doctor:
Delta and the Bannermen
The Happiness Patrol

8th Doctor:
Doctor Who

9th Doctor:
Rose

10th Doctor:
Fear Her

11th Doctor:
Vampires of Venice
The Wedding of River Song
THe Power of Three
Nightmare in Silver

12th Doctor:
In the Forest of the Night
Sleep No More
The Eaters of Light

13th Doctor:
The Battle of Ranskooor Av Kolos
Orphan 55
Flux
Legend of the Sea Devils

Agent Jakanov wrote on 13/03/2024 4:28 pm:
> Which Doctor Who stories would you give the "lemonade treatment"? That
> is, make lemonades out of the lemon, which means to improve the taste or

HMMM! Lemonades!! YUM!!

e.g.
https://www.nurseriesonline.com.au/plant-index/trees-shrubs/fruit-trees-berry-fruit/lemonade-tree/
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was not.

In article <usrdha$pvb1$1@dont-email.me>,
Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>Which Doctor Who stories would you give the "lemonade treatment"? That
>is, make lemonades out of the lemon, which means to improve the taste or
>quality, either by rewriting it or making a follow up story that makes
>it look better.
>
>Here's my list. I'm just listing the stories now, but I might come back
>later to explain how I'd fix each one, if I'm not busy on a secret
>mission. ;-)
>
>1st Doctor:
> The Space Museum
> Galaxy Four
> The Gunfighters
>
>2nd Doctor:
> The Underwater Menace
> Fury From the Deep
> The Space Pirates
>
>3rd Doctor:
> The Mutants
> The Time Monster
>
>4th Doctor:
> The Hand of Fear
> Underworld
> Nightmare of Eden
>
>5th Doctor:
> Time-Flight
>
>6th Doctor:
> The Twin Dilemma
> Timelash

Leoms? UGH!

>
>7th Doctor:
> Delta and the Bannermen
> The Happiness Patrol
>
>8th Doctor:
> Doctor Who
>

Why?

>9th Doctor:
> Rose
>

Oh?

>10th Doctor:
> Fear Her
>

Are you kidding me?

>11th Doctor:
> Vampires of Venice
> The Wedding of River Song
> THe Power of Three
> Nightmare in Silver
>

You are kidding!

>12th Doctor:
> In the Forest of the Night
> Sleep No More
> The Eaters of Light
>

Are you for real!

>13th Doctor:
> The Battle of Ranskooor Av Kolos
> Orphan 55
> Flux
> Legend of the Sea Devils
>

Never existed in Doctor Who!
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Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>Agent Jakanov wrote on 13/03/2024 4:28 pm:
>> Which Doctor Who stories would you give the "lemonade treatment"? That
>> is, make lemonades out of the lemon, which means to improve the taste or
>
>HMMM! Lemonades!! YUM!!
>
>e.g.
>https://www.nurseriesonline.com.au/plant-index/trees-shrubs/fruit-trees-berry-fruit/lemonade-tree/
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I have hot lemon juice for breakfast!
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In article <uss0gg$3ohk7$1@paganini.bofh.team>, Mich <mich@none.edu> wrote:
>When Led Zeppelin's Robert Plant sung "squeeze my lemons" everybody
>assumed it was a sexual metaphor. But he said in 2020, that it actually
>was not.

:-)
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Agent Jakanov wrote:

> Which Doctor Who stories would you give the "lemonade
> treatment"? That is, make lemonades out of the lemon, which
> means to improve the taste or quality, either by rewriting it
> or making a follow up story that makes it look better.

What an excellent idea! I'll have to think a bit more about it
as my list could be a long one... I assume it would include most
of the 6th Doctor and 7th Doctor's eras though, as there was
plenty of room for improvement there!

In article <xn0oja25220y07t004@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Agent Jakanov wrote:
>
>> Which Doctor Who stories would you give the "lemonade
>> treatment"? That is, make lemonades out of the lemon, which
>> means to improve the taste or quality, either by rewriting it
>> or making a follow up story that makes it look better.
>
>What an excellent idea! I'll have to think a bit more about it
>as my list could be a long one... I assume it would include most
>of the 6th Doctor and 7th Doctor's eras though, as there was
>plenty of room for improvement there!
>

You pessisimist!
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On 13.03.24, Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:

> Which Doctor Who stories would you give the "lemonade treatment"?
> That is, make lemonades out of the lemon, which means to improve the
> taste or quality, either by rewriting it or making a follow up story
> that makes it look better.

Entire 11th Doctor replaced with a different actor. (And change the
scene with the stuffing food into stupid face and spitting it back out.)

I hope AI will one day be able to do that. Could use the face of
whatshisname Cumberbatch (from Sherlock) for example.

The absorbalov episode in 10th Doctor, change it to the nonames
realizing what's happening and beating or capturing the baddie, then
going on with doing fun things, before anyone gets absorbed. And put
more Doctor into it.

I'd put more Doctor into Blink, too. And show what he and Martha have
been doing with the bow and arrows.

13th Doctor, make sure everyone knows it's just the Master messing with
the Doctor with that "regneration coming from other universe kid"
nonsense.

I don't have enough other episodes in mind to add more. Maybe upon
rewatching I'll add some stuff.

Mind, with Classic, it's generally just charming and cute, for being
old... I think I'd have more survivors in general, though.

Oh, I remember something. Blonde curly haired Doctor (6th?) was at times
yelling abusively and making the poor companion flinch. Didn't look
good.

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Mickmane wrote:
>
> Oh, I remember something. Blonde curly haired Doctor (6th?)
> was at times yelling abusively and making the poor companion
> flinch. Didn't look good.

He did more than that! The 6th Doctor tried to strangle Peri and
then threw her to the floor, that really didn't look good!

It was all downhill after that...

In article <G$mX9HaLczB@ATH>, Mickmane <ATH@kruemel.org> wrote:
>On 13.03.24, Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>
>> Which Doctor Who stories would you give the "lemonade treatment"?
>> That is, make lemonades out of the lemon, which means to improve the
>> taste or quality, either by rewriting it or making a follow up story
>> that makes it look better.
>
>Entire 11th Doctor replaced with a different actor. (And change the
>scene with the stuffing food into stupid face and spitting it back out.)
>
>I hope AI will one day be able to do that. Could use the face of
>whatshisname Cumberbatch (from Sherlock) for example.
>
>The absorbalov episode in 10th Doctor, change it to the nonames
>realizing what's happening and beating or capturing the baddie, then
>going on with doing fun things, before anyone gets absorbed. And put
>more Doctor into it.
>
What a jok!

>I'd put more Doctor into Blink, too. And show what he and Martha have
>been doing with the bow and arrows.
>

Blink roocks!

>13th Doctor, make sure everyone knows it's just the Master messing with
>the Doctor with that "regneration coming from other universe kid"
>nonsense.
>
>I don't have enough other episodes in mind to add more. Maybe upon
>rewatching I'll add some stuff.
>
>Mind, with Classic, it's generally just charming and cute, for being
>old... I think I'd have more survivors in general, though.
>
>Oh, I remember something. Blonde curly haired Doctor (6th?) was at times
>yelling abusively and making the poor companion flinch. Didn't look
>good.
>

The real 13th Doctor loks like the 10th Doctor!

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>
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>

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In article <xn0ojaaev2c75fy002@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Mickmane wrote:
>>
>> Oh, I remember something. Blonde curly haired Doctor (6th?)
>> was at times yelling abusively and making the poor companion
>> flinch. Didn't look good.
>
>He did more than that! The 6th Doctor tried to strangle Peri and
>then threw her to the floor, that really didn't look good!
>
>It was all downhill after that...

Grr!!!

Twin Dilemma and Tim(e)lash sucks!
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On 14.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> Mickmane wrote:

>> Oh, I remember something. Blonde curly haired Doctor (6th?)
>> was at times yelling abusively and making the poor companion
>> flinch. Didn't look good.

> He did more than that! The 6th Doctor tried to strangle Peri and
> then threw her to the floor, that really didn't look good!

I know, but that was right after the regeneration, when he might not
have been too sane.

> It was all downhill after that...

It didn't get too much better, anyway.

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In article <G$qXL5zaczB@ATH>, Mickmane <ATH@kruemel.org> wrote:
>On 14.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> Mickmane wrote:
>
>>> Oh, I remember something. Blonde curly haired Doctor (6th?)
>>> was at times yelling abusively and making the poor companion
>>> flinch. Didn't look good.
>
>> He did more than that! The 6th Doctor tried to strangle Peri and
>> then threw her to the floor, that really didn't look good!
>
>I know, but that was right after the regeneration, when he might not
>have been too sane.
>
>> It was all downhill after that...
>
>It didn't get too much better, anyway.
>

IYIO on both of you!

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>

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Mickmane wrote:

> On 14.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> > Mickmane wrote:
>
> >> Oh, I remember something. Blonde curly haired Doctor (6th?)
> >> was at times yelling abusively and making the poor companion
> >> flinch. Didn't look good.
>
> > He did more than that! The 6th Doctor tried to strangle Peri
> > and then threw her to the floor, that really didn't look
> > good!
>
> I know, but that was right after the regeneration, when he
> might not have been too sane.

No other Doctor did it!

Personally I think it was a mis-step by JNT (the Producer) as
Peri was well liked and the Doctor trying to strangle her got
the Sixth Doctor's era off to a bad start. On top of the awful
coat attacking Peri put me off the Sixth Doctor anyway.

> > It was all downhill after that...
>
> It didn't get too much better, anyway.

Unfortunately. Colin Baker was good enough to be the Doctor, as
he's proved in the Big Finish audios where he's generally had
decent scripts, but his TV era was let down by the production
team and the budget. He really was a Doctor in Distress!

In article <xn0ojcu1j2dg6b3000@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Mickmane wrote:
>
>> On 14.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> > Mickmane wrote:
>>
>> >> Oh, I remember something. Blonde curly haired Doctor (6th?)
>> >> was at times yelling abusively and making the poor companion
>> >> flinch. Didn't look good.
>>
>> > He did more than that! The 6th Doctor tried to strangle Peri
>> > and then threw her to the floor, that really didn't look
>> > good!
>>
>> I know, but that was right after the regeneration, when he
>> might not have been too sane.
>
>No other Doctor did it!
>
>Personally I think it was a mis-step by JNT (the Producer) as
>Peri was well liked and the Doctor trying to strangle her got
>the Sixth Doctor's era off to a bad start. On top of the awful
>coat attacking Peri put me off the Sixth Doctor anyway.
>
>> > It was all downhill after that...
>>
>> It didn't get too much better, anyway.
>
>Unfortunately. Colin Baker was good enough to be the Doctor, as
>he's proved in the Big Finish audios where he's generally had
>decent scripts, but his TV era was let down by the production
>team and the budget. He really was a Doctor in Distress!

Thanks to management at BBC!
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"Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote in news:xn0ojcu1j2dg6b3000
@reader.xsnews.nl:

> Mickmane wrote:

>> On 14.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

>> > He did more than that! The 6th Doctor tried to strangle Peri
>> > and then threw her to the floor, that really didn't look
>> > good!
>>
>> I know, but that was right after the regeneration, when he
>> might not have been too sane.
>
> No other Doctor did it!
>
> Personally I think it was a mis-step by JNT (the Producer) as
> Peri was well liked and the Doctor trying to strangle her got
> the Sixth Doctor's era off to a bad start. On top of the awful
> coat attacking Peri put me off the Sixth Doctor anyway.

I can see what they were trying to do with this, but it didn't come across
well on screen, especially with the 25-minute format. In one of the
behind-the-scenes books I read that Saward and JNT planned a loose story
arc where something went wrong with the regeneration, possibly because of
what caused it, or possibly because of what eventually became the Valeyard
(they only had a vague idea of it at the time).

It wasn't that the Doctor almost strangled Peri that was so bad, it was
that they never followed up or addressed it on screen in any way.

"Mickmane" <ATH@kruemel.org> wrote in news:G$mX9HaLczB@ATH:

> 13th Doctor, make sure everyone knows it's just the Master messing
> with the Doctor with that "regneration coming from other universe
> kid" nonsense.

This is why I chose Flux to rewrite, to cast (more) doubt on whether the
Division and the woman who claims to be Tecteun are just messing with her.

I also would have reused the villains from "Can You Hear Me?" for Flux,
instead of the new ones Chibnall created.

Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote in news:usrdha$pvb1$1@dont-email.me:

> 1st Doctor:
> The Space Museum

The first episode is one of the spookiest in all of Doctor Who history, but
the story often gets panned because the rest of the episodes don't hold up
the suspense, and the supporting characters are not developed at all.

The Moroks were obviously a metaphor for the British. They once had a vast
empire, but now it's apparently in decline. Showing how they had captured
a Dalek and put its casing in a museum was a nice touch, but I think they
should have shown more than that to demonstrate how formidable they once
were.

For the Xerons, we need to see more motivation for why they were so
reluctant to rebel. Many of them looked like teenage boys and young men,
so maybe they were just trying to impress Vicki.

Vicki came across as capricious and reckless. This aspect should have been
explored, at least a little, although as a product of its time I can see
why it was promoting revolutions without thinking too much about
consequences..

In article <ut2a0j$2esdi$1@dont-email.me>,
Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>"Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote in news:xn0ojcu1j2dg6b3000
>@reader.xsnews.nl:
>
>> Mickmane wrote:
>
>>> On 14.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>
>>> > He did more than that! The 6th Doctor tried to strangle Peri
>>> > and then threw her to the floor, that really didn't look
>>> > good!
>>>
>>> I know, but that was right after the regeneration, when he
>>> might not have been too sane.
>>
>> No other Doctor did it!
>>
>> Personally I think it was a mis-step by JNT (the Producer) as
>> Peri was well liked and the Doctor trying to strangle her got
>> the Sixth Doctor's era off to a bad start. On top of the awful
>> coat attacking Peri put me off the Sixth Doctor anyway.
>
>I can see what they were trying to do with this, but it didn't come across
>well on screen, especially with the 25-minute format. In one of the
>behind-the-scenes books I read that Saward and JNT planned a loose story
>arc where something went wrong with the regeneration, possibly because of
>what caused it, or possibly because of what eventually became the Valeyard
>(they only had a vague idea of it at the time).
>
>It wasn't that the Doctor almost strangled Peri that was so bad, it was
>that they never followed up or addressed it on screen in any way.
>
>
>

REgen crisis was a bad idea!
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In article <ut2b3m$2f2ne$1@dont-email.me>,
Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>"Mickmane" <ATH@kruemel.org> wrote in news:G$mX9HaLczB@ATH:
>
>
>> 13th Doctor, make sure everyone knows it's just the Master messing
>> with the Doctor with that "regneration coming from other universe
>> kid" nonsense.
>
>This is why I chose Flux to rewrite, to cast (more) doubt on whether the
>Division and the woman who claims to be Tecteun are just messing with her.
>
>I also would have reused the villains from "Can You Hear Me?" for Flux,
>instead of the new ones Chibnall created.
>
>
>
>

no! You need to rewrite the Timeless Child out of the Doctor Who Lore!
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doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
news:ut2l0m$23gq$4@gallifrey.nk.ca:

> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:

>>It wasn't that the Doctor almost strangled Peri that was so bad, it
>>was that they never followed up or addressed it on screen in any way.

> REgen crisis was a bad idea!

Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who. At least they
tried to do something different with it, even if the execution was lacking.

doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
news:ut2l1u$23gq$5@gallifrey.nk.ca:

> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>>"Mickmane" <ATH@kruemel.org> wrote in news:G$mX9HaLczB@ATH:
>>
>>> 13th Doctor, make sure everyone knows it's just the Master messing
>>> with the Doctor with that "regneration coming from other universe
>>> kid" nonsense.
>>
>>This is why I chose Flux to rewrite, to cast (more) doubt on whether
>>the Division and the woman who claims to be Tecteun are just messing
>>with her.
>>
>>I also would have reused the villains from "Can You Hear Me?" for
>>Flux, instead of the new ones Chibnall created.

> no! You need to rewrite the Timeless Child out of the Doctor Who Lore!

DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!

If you want a story where the Timeless Child is written out of Doctor WHo,
write it yourself. Don't be so lazy and expect everyone else to do your
work for you.

Freeloader.

In article <ut2lp0$2h5m6$1@dont-email.me>,
Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
>news:ut2l0m$23gq$4@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>
>> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>
>>>It wasn't that the Doctor almost strangled Peri that was so bad, it
>>>was that they never followed up or addressed it on screen in any way.
>
>> REgen crisis was a bad idea!
>
>Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who. At least they
>tried to do something different with it, even if the execution was lacking.
>

They never were until JN-T introduced it!
>
>
>

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In article <ut2lto$2h5m6$2@dont-email.me>,
Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
>news:ut2l1u$23gq$5@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>
>> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>>>"Mickmane" <ATH@kruemel.org> wrote in news:G$mX9HaLczB@ATH:
>>>
>>>> 13th Doctor, make sure everyone knows it's just the Master messing
>>>> with the Doctor with that "regneration coming from other universe
>>>> kid" nonsense.
>>>
>>>This is why I chose Flux to rewrite, to cast (more) doubt on whether
>>>the Division and the woman who claims to be Tecteun are just messing
>>>with her.
>>>
>>>I also would have reused the villains from "Can You Hear Me?" for
>>>Flux, instead of the new ones Chibnall created.
>
>> no! You need to rewrite the Timeless Child out of the Doctor Who Lore!
>
>DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!
>
>If you want a story where the Timeless Child is written out of Doctor WHo,
>write it yourself. Don't be so lazy and expect everyone else to do your
>work for you.
>
>Freeloader.
>
>
>
>
>

Vlad Putinites for you!
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