doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
news:ut2vhq$q64$1@gallifrey.nk.ca:

>>> REgen crisis was a bad idea!
>>
>>Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who. At least
>>they tried to do something different with it, even if the execution
>>was lacking.
>
> They never were until JN-T introduced it!

Untrue. The 3rd Doctor was incapacitated for a large part of his first
story. The intro stories for the 5th and 10th Doctors copied this.

Terrance Dicks own novelization confirmed that the 4th Doctor acted really
strange and bonkers for an extended period after his regeneration, although
much of it was offscreen, such as his first encounter with Xoanon. The
11th Doctor's intro copied this.

The 7th and 8th Doctors were very unsure of who they were for a while.

The 6th Doctor's regeneration crisis could have been better executed. In a
later scene, a parallel was implied between Hugo almost shooting the
Doctor, thinking he had kidnapped the Twins and destroyed his fleet, and
the Doctor almost killing Peri, because they both had experienced traumas,
but the direction of the story does not make it clear.

The Doctor wrote:

> In article <ut2a0j$2esdi$1@dont-email.me>,
> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
> >"Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote in
> news:xn0ojcu1j2dg6b3000
> > @reader.xsnews.nl:
> >
> >> Mickmane wrote:
> >
> >>> On 14.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> >
> >>> > He did more than that! The 6th Doctor tried to strangle
> >>> > Peri and then threw her to the floor, that really didn't
> >>> > look good!
> >>>
> >>> I know, but that was right after the regeneration, when he
> >>> might not have been too sane.
> >>
> >> Personally I think it was a mis-step by JNT (the Producer)
> >> as Peri was well liked and the Doctor trying to strangle
> >> her got the Sixth Doctor's era off to a bad start. On top
> >> of the awful coat attacking Peri put me off the Sixth
> >> Doctor anyway.
> >
> > I can see what they were trying to do with this, but it
> > didn't come across well on screen, especially with the
> > 25-minute format. In one of the behind-the-scenes books I
> > read that Saward and JNT planned a loose story arc where
> > something went wrong with the regeneration, possibly because
> > of what caused it, or possibly because of what eventually
> > became the Valeyard (they only had a vague idea of it at the
> > time).
> >
> > It wasn't that the Doctor almost strangled Peri that was so
> > bad, it was that they never followed up or addressed it on
> > screen in any way.
>
> REgen crisis was a bad idea!

Yes, I think so. It might have seemed like a good idea to Eric
Saward and JNT in the writing room, but on screen the new Doctor
attacking a well liked companion in that way wasn't a good idea.

Agent Jakanov wrote:

> doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>
> > REgen crisis was a bad idea!
>
> Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who. At
> least they tried to do something different with it, even if
> the execution was lacking.

Well, it certainly was different to what other Doctors went
through post-regeneration.

Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...

In article <ut39cl$2o6lv$1@dont-email.me>,
Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
>news:ut2vhq$q64$1@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>
>>>> REgen crisis was a bad idea!
>>>
>>>Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who. At least
>>>they tried to do something different with it, even if the execution
>>>was lacking.
>>
>> They never were until JN-T introduced it!
>
>Untrue. The 3rd Doctor was incapacitated for a large part of his first
>story. The intro stories for the 5th and 10th Doctors copied this.
>

But not unstable!

>Terrance Dicks own novelization confirmed that the 4th Doctor acted really
>strange and bonkers for an extended period after his regeneration, although
>much of it was offscreen, such as his first encounter with Xoanon. The
>11th Doctor's intro copied this.
>

Oh? The 111th Doctor was trying to get control.

The 4th Doctor was very conscious when he arose.

>The 7th and 8th Doctors were very unsure of who they were for a while.
>

JNT

>The 6th Doctor's regeneration crisis could have been better executed. In a
>later scene, a parallel was implied between Hugo almost shooting the
>Doctor, thinking he had kidnapped the Twins and destroyed his fleet, and
>the Doctor almost killing Peri, because they both had experienced traumas,
>but the direction of the story does not make it clear.
>

JNT

>

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In article <xn0oje6vd3qij5v002@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <ut2a0j$2esdi$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>> >"Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote in
>> news:xn0ojcu1j2dg6b3000
>> > @reader.xsnews.nl:
>> >
>> >> Mickmane wrote:
>> >
>> >>> On 14.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> >
>> >>> > He did more than that! The 6th Doctor tried to strangle
>> >>> > Peri and then threw her to the floor, that really didn't
>> >>> > look good!
>> >>>
>> >>> I know, but that was right after the regeneration, when he
>> >>> might not have been too sane.
>> >>
>> >> Personally I think it was a mis-step by JNT (the Producer)
>> >> as Peri was well liked and the Doctor trying to strangle
>> >> her got the Sixth Doctor's era off to a bad start. On top
>> >> of the awful coat attacking Peri put me off the Sixth
>> >> Doctor anyway.
>> >
>> > I can see what they were trying to do with this, but it
>> > didn't come across well on screen, especially with the
>> > 25-minute format. In one of the behind-the-scenes books I
>> > read that Saward and JNT planned a loose story arc where
>> > something went wrong with the regeneration, possibly because
>> > of what caused it, or possibly because of what eventually
>> > became the Valeyard (they only had a vague idea of it at the
>> > time).
>> >
>> > It wasn't that the Doctor almost strangled Peri that was so
>> > bad, it was that they never followed up or addressed it on
>> > screen in any way.
>>
>> REgen crisis was a bad idea!
>
>Yes, I think so. It might have seemed like a good idea to Eric
>Saward and JNT in the writing room, but on screen the new Doctor
>attacking a well liked companion in that way wasn't a good idea.

Exactly!!!
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In article <xn0oje88b3sc7t100a@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Agent Jakanov wrote:
>
>> doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>>
>> > REgen crisis was a bad idea!
>>
>> Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who. At
>> least they tried to do something different with it, even if
>> the execution was lacking.
>
>Well, it certainly was different to what other Doctors went
>through post-regeneration.
>
>Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...

But Tegan and Nysaa might have got in the way.
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The Doctor wrote:

> In article <ut39cl$2o6lv$1@dont-email.me>,
> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
> > doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> >>
> >> They never were until JN-T introduced it!
> >
> > Untrue. The 3rd Doctor was incapacitated for a large part
> > of his first story. The intro stories for the 5th and 10th
> > Doctors copied this.
>
> But not unstable!

In fairness, a regeneration crisis doesn't have to mean
physically attacking your companion. It's just Saward/JNT
thought it'd be a good idea for the Sixth Doctor.

The Third Doctor attacking Liz Shaw would have been unthinkable!

doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
news:ut4aqo$2cr3$6@gallifrey.nk.ca:

> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:

>>>>Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who. At least
>>>>they tried to do something different with it, even if the execution
>>>>was lacking.
>>>
>>> They never were until JN-T introduced it!
>>
>>Untrue. The 3rd Doctor was incapacitated for a large part of his
>>first story. The intro stories for the 5th and 10th Doctors copied
>>this.
>
> But not unstable!

IYIO.

>>Terrance Dicks own novelization confirmed that the 4th Doctor acted
>>really strange and bonkers for an extended period after his
>>regeneration, although much of it was offscreen, such as his first
>>encounter with Xoanon. The 11th Doctor's intro copied this.
>
> Oh? The 111th Doctor was trying to get control.
>
> The 4th Doctor was very conscious when he arose.

But very unstable. Xoanon is the proof!
>>The 7th and 8th Doctors were very unsure of who they were for a while.
>>
>
> JNT

8th Doctor was not JNT.

>>The 6th Doctor's regeneration crisis could have been better executed.
>>In a later scene, a parallel was implied between Hugo almost shooting
>>the Doctor, thinking he had kidnapped the Twins and destroyed his
>>fleet, and the Doctor almost killing Peri, because they both had
>>experienced traumas, but the direction of the story does not make it
>>clear.
>
> JNT

And Eric Saward. Like I said, I can see they were at least trying to do
something interesting and novel with it, in both the long and short
term.

The Doctor wrote:

> In article <xn0oje88b3sc7t100a@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> > Agent Jakanov wrote:
> >
> >> doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
> >>
> >> > REgen crisis was a bad idea!
> >>
> >> Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who.
> >> At least they tried to do something different with it, even
> >> if the execution was lacking.
> >
> > Well, it certainly was different to what other Doctors went
> > through post-regeneration.
> >
> > Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
>
> But Tegan and Nysaa might have got in the way.

If the crisis got so bad that he had to strangle Tegan too...
<shrugs>

"Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote in
news:xn0oje88b3sc7t100a@news.eternal-september.org:

> Agent Jakanov wrote:

>> Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who. At
>> least they tried to do something different with it, even if
>> the execution was lacking.
>
> Well, it certainly was different to what other Doctors went
> through post-regeneration.
>
> Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...

Funny you should mention Adric. The Twins in that story reminded me of
Adric � 2.

I would also make the twins more interesting and give them an actual
dilemma.

Also, try to give more of a clear explanation for why this Doctor was
acting like an overgrown Adric so often.

"Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote in
news:xn0oje9303tfiug00h@reader.xsnews.nl:

> The Doctor wrote:

>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

>> > Well, it certainly was different to what other Doctors went
>> > through post-regeneration.
>> >
>> > Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
>>
>> But Tegan and Nysaa might have got in the way.
>
> If the crisis got so bad that he had to strangle Tegan too...
> <shrugs>

This is starting to sound like one of those weird M&M fanfics...

In article <xn0oje8jx3st04o00c@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <ut39cl$2o6lv$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>> > doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote:
>> >>
>> >> They never were until JN-T introduced it!
>> >
>> > Untrue. The 3rd Doctor was incapacitated for a large part
>> > of his first story. The intro stories for the 5th and 10th
>> > Doctors copied this.
>>
>> But not unstable!
>
>In fairness, a regeneration crisis doesn't have to mean
>physically attacking your companion. It's just Saward/JNT
>thought it'd be a good idea for the Sixth Doctor.
>

IT was a bad idea!

>The Third Doctor attacking Liz Shaw would have been unthinkable!

Exactly!!
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In article <ut4c6f$2uq53$1@dont-email.me>,
Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
>news:ut4aqo$2cr3$6@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>
>
>> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>
>>>>>Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who. At least
>>>>>they tried to do something different with it, even if the execution
>>>>>was lacking.
>>>>
>>>> They never were until JN-T introduced it!
>>>
>>>Untrue. The 3rd Doctor was incapacitated for a large part of his
>>>first story. The intro stories for the 5th and 10th Doctors copied
>>>this.
>>
>> But not unstable!
>
>IYIO.
>

How were they unstable?

>>>Terrance Dicks own novelization confirmed that the 4th Doctor acted
>>>really strange and bonkers for an extended period after his
>>>regeneration, although much of it was offscreen, such as his first
>>>encounter with Xoanon. The 11th Doctor's intro copied this.
>>
>> Oh? The 111th Doctor was trying to get control.
>>
>> The 4th Doctor was very conscious when he arose.
>
>But very unstable. Xoanon is the proof!
>

When did The Doctor first meet Xoanon?

>>>The 7th and 8th Doctors were very unsure of who they were for a while.
>>>
>>
>> JNT
>
>8th Doctor was not JNT.
>

But neither were a radical departure.

>>>The 6th Doctor's regeneration crisis could have been better executed.
>>>In a later scene, a parallel was implied between Hugo almost shooting
>>>the Doctor, thinking he had kidnapped the Twins and destroyed his
>>>fleet, and the Doctor almost killing Peri, because they both had
>>>experienced traumas, but the direction of the story does not make it
>>>clear.
>>
>> JNT
>
>And Eric Saward. Like I said, I can see they were at least trying to do
>something interesting and novel with it, in both the long and short
>term.
>

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In article <ut4d1h$2uvfu$1@dont-email.me>,
Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>"Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote in
>news:xn0oje88b3sc7t100a@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> Agent Jakanov wrote:
>
>>> Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who. At
>>> least they tried to do something different with it, even if
>>> the execution was lacking.
>>
>> Well, it certainly was different to what other Doctors went
>> through post-regeneration.
>>
>> Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
>
>Funny you should mention Adric. The Twins in that story reminded me of
>Adric � 2.
>
>I would also make the twins more interesting and give them an actual
>dilemma.
>
>Also, try to give more of a clear explanation for why this Doctor was
>acting like an overgrown Adric so often.
>

REmus and Romulus were no Adric.
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In article <ut4dd3$2v29f$1@dont-email.me>,
Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>"Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote in
>news:xn0oje9303tfiug00h@reader.xsnews.nl:
>
>> The Doctor wrote:
>
>>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>
>>> > Well, it certainly was different to what other Doctors went
>>> > through post-regeneration.
>>> >
>>> > Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
>>>
>>> But Tegan and Nysaa might have got in the way.
>>
>> If the crisis got so bad that he had to strangle Tegan too...
>> <shrugs>
>
>This is starting to sound like one of those weird M&M fanfics...
>
>
>

Weird is correct.
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doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in news:ut4f70$ahs$5
@gallifrey.nk.ca:

> In article <ut4c6f$2uq53$1@dont-email.me>,
> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:

>>>>Untrue. The 3rd Doctor was incapacitated for a large part of his
>>>>first story. The intro stories for the 5th and 10th Doctors copied
>>>>this.
>>>
>>> But not unstable!
>>
>>IYIO.
>
> How were they unstable?

YMMV.

>>>>Terrance Dicks own novelization confirmed that the 4th Doctor acted
>>>>really strange and bonkers for an extended period after his
>>>>regeneration, although much of it was offscreen, such as his first
>>>>encounter with Xoanon. The 11th Doctor's intro copied this.
>>>
>>> Oh? The 111th Doctor was trying to get control.
>>>
>>> The 4th Doctor was very conscious when he arose.
>>
>>But very unstable. Xoanon is the proof!
>
> When did The Doctor first meet Xoanon?

One night 'near the beginning of that business with the Giant Robot',
the Doctor took off in the TARDIS for a little ride; this led him into
his original adventure with the Mordee and Xoanon. Afterwards, the
TARDIS returned him to Earth within a few minutes of his departure, [so]
no one ever knew that he'd been away.'

>>>>The 7th and 8th Doctors were very unsure of who they were for a
while.
>>>
>>> JNT
>>
>>8th Doctor was not JNT.
>
> But neither were a radical departure.

So what? Radical departures aren't always bad, as long as they're
justified on screen.

In article <ut4grt$2voft$1@dont-email.me>,
Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in news:ut4f70$ahs$5
>@gallifrey.nk.ca:
>
>> In article <ut4c6f$2uq53$1@dont-email.me>,
>> Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>
>>>>>Untrue. The 3rd Doctor was incapacitated for a large part of his
>>>>>first story. The intro stories for the 5th and 10th Doctors copied
>>>>>this.
>>>>
>>>> But not unstable!
>>>
>>>IYIO.
>>
>> How were they unstable?
>
>YMMV.

The No Comment approach

>>>>>Terrance Dicks own novelization confirmed that the 4th Doctor acted
>>>>>really strange and bonkers for an extended period after his
>>>>>regeneration, although much of it was offscreen, such as his first
>>>>>encounter with Xoanon. The 11th Doctor's intro copied this.
>>>>
>>>> Oh? The 111th Doctor was trying to get control.
>>>>
>>>> The 4th Doctor was very conscious when he arose.
>>>
>>>But very unstable. Xoanon is the proof!
>>
>> When did The Doctor first meet Xoanon?
>
>One night 'near the beginning of that business with the Giant Robot',
>the Doctor took off in the TARDIS for a little ride; this led him into
>his original adventure with the Mordee and Xoanon. Afterwards, the
>TARDIS returned him to Earth within a few minutes of his departure, [so]
>no one ever knew that he'd been away.'
>

Doubt it!

>
>>>>>The 7th and 8th Doctors were very unsure of who they were for a
>while.
>>>>
>>>> JNT
>>>
>>>8th Doctor was not JNT.
>>
>> But neither were a radical departure.
>
>So what? Radical departures aren't always bad, as long as they're
>justified on screen.
>

IYIO
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doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in news:ut4h61$2iot$2
@gallifrey.nk.ca:

>>>>> But not unstable!
>>>>
>>>>IYIO.
>>>
>>> How were they unstable?
>>
>>YMMV.
>
> The No Comment approach

It takes one to know one.

>>> When did The Doctor first meet Xoanon?
>>
>>One night 'near the beginning of that business with the Giant Robot',
>>the Doctor took off in the TARDIS for a little ride; this led him into
>>his original adventure with the Mordee and Xoanon. Afterwards, the
>>TARDIS returned him to Earth within a few minutes of his departure,
>>[so] no one ever knew that he'd been away.'
>
> Doubt it!

Are you calling Terrance Dicks a liar? He wrote 4th Doctor's first
adventure, as well as the novelization for Face of Evil.

>>>>> JNT
>>>>
>>>>8th Doctor was not JNT.
>>>
>>> But neither were a radical departure.
>>
>>So what? Radical departures aren't always bad, as long as they're
>>justified on screen.
>
> IYIO

Just like your idea that it's always bad is IYIO. So we're at an
impasse. Agree to disagree.

On 16.03.24, Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
> "Mickmane" <ATH@kruemel.org> wrote in news:G$mX9HaLczB@ATH:

>> 13th Doctor, make sure everyone knows it's just the Master messing
>> with the Doctor with that "regneration coming from other universe
>> kid" nonsense.

> This is why I chose Flux to rewrite, to cast (more) doubt on whether
> the Division and the woman who claims to be Tecteun are just messing
> with her.

Hah, that'd work!

> I also would have reused the villains from "Can You Hear Me?" for
> Flux, instead of the new ones Chibnall created.

Hm, need to get there with rewatching before I know who they are.

--

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On 16.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> Mickmane wrote:
>> On 14.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>> Mickmane wrote:

>>>> Oh, I remember something. Blonde curly haired Doctor (6th?)
>>>> was at times yelling abusively and making the poor companion
>>>> flinch. Didn't look good.
>>
>>> He did more than that! The 6th Doctor tried to strangle Peri
>>> and then threw her to the floor, that really didn't look
>>> good!
>>
>> I know, but that was right after the regeneration, when he
>> might not have been too sane.

> No other Doctor did it!

Regeneration went between a bit and a lot different every time. :)

As a one-time bad behaviour with an explanation, it would have been
excusable, but unfortunately he kept up the yelling, making poor
companion flinch.

Of course, if I could replace the strangling attack, I'd do that, too.
:)

> Personally I think it was a mis-step by JNT (the Producer) as
> Peri was well liked and the Doctor trying to strangle her got
> the Sixth Doctor's era off to a bad start. On top of the awful
> coat attacking Peri put me off the Sixth Doctor anyway.

You mean the clown outfit? I thought that was refreshing, or at least
funny. :)

--

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On 16.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> Agent Jakanov wrote:

>> Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who. At
>> least they tried to do something different with it, even if
>> the execution was lacking.

> Well, it certainly was different to what other Doctors went
> through post-regeneration.

> Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...

Why strangle Adric?

--

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doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in news:ut4f2g$ahs$1
@gallifrey.nk.ca:

> In article <xn0oje8jx3st04o00c@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

>>In fairness, a regeneration crisis doesn't have to mean
>>physically attacking your companion. It's just Saward/JNT
>>thought it'd be a good idea for the Sixth Doctor.
>>
>
> IT was a bad idea!
>
>>The Third Doctor attacking Liz Shaw would have been unthinkable!
>
> Exactly!!

The difference is, we're stuck with the first one, because it actually
happened on screen. So the question becomes, how to we make it more
palatable by adding more context to it?

It's fine for the Doctor to be unstable and erratic, but it should have
been balanced out with more lucid moments. The Doctor should have
apologized to Peri by the end of the story, even if he didn't fully
remember what he had done.

There also should have been some scenes between Peri and another character
(such as Hugo) questioning why she tolerates the Doctor's behavior towards
her, hinting about her previous abuse and dependency.

The Doctor was still suffering from the after-effects of the Spectrox
toxemia. The 5th Doctor sacrificed his life so Peri could live, so
indirectly that makes her responsible for his death.

Mickmane wrote:

> On 16.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>
> > Personally I think it was a mis-step by JNT (the Producer) as
> > Peri was well liked and the Doctor trying to strangle her got
> > the Sixth Doctor's era off to a bad start. On top of the
> > awful coat attacking Peri put me off the Sixth Doctor anyway.
>
> You mean the clown outfit? I thought that was refreshing, or
> at least funny. :)

I don't think JNT saw it as a "clown outfit", I'm sure he had a
deeper meaning in mind when he came up with the idea...

Mickmane wrote:

> On 16.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> > Agent Jakanov wrote:
>
> >> Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who.
> >> At least they tried to do something different with it, even
> >> if the execution was lacking.
>
> > Well, it certainly was different to what other Doctors went
> > through post-regeneration.
>
> > Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
>
> Why strangle Adric?

Why not? He was more annoying than Peri and JNT thought that was
a good idea!

Also, it would have saved time and money on having to arrange a
space freighter to crash in to Earth just to get rid of him! :-)

"Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote in news:xn0ojegjy43nyxt003
@reader.xsnews.nl:

> Mickmane wrote:
>
>> On 16.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> > Agent Jakanov wrote:
>>
>> >> Regeneration crises are almost a tradition in Doctor Who.
>> >> At least they tried to do something different with it, even
>> >> if the execution was lacking.
>>
>> > Well, it certainly was different to what other Doctors went
>> > through post-regeneration.
>>
>> > Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
>>
>> Why strangle Adric?
>
> Why not? He was more annoying than Peri and JNT thought that was
> a good idea!

What's the motivation for it, from the writing standpoint? In the case
of Peri, the Doctor was subconsciously aware that she was indirectly
responsible for his previous incarnation's death, and he was triggered
by her name, which alluded to a supernatural being in Persian mythology
which was at one time "evil".

> Also, it would have saved time and money on having to arrange a
> space freighter to crash in to Earth just to get rid of him! :-)

So strangled all the way to death? The idea of the Doctor going all the
way with Adric is just... wrong.

That said, it was implied in the very first episode An Unearthly Child
that Barbara and Ian feared he was child abuser.