In article <ut7tk9$3pjg0$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>Agent Jakanov <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>> Which Doctor Who stories would you give the "lemonade treatment"? That
>> is, make lemonades out of the lemon, which means to improve the taste or
>> quality, either by rewriting it or making a follow up story that makes
>> it look better.
>
>Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We don’t have the pressures that the
>production team were under - especially in those early days.
>
>But … in the words of the Disney version of Mary Poppins “Let’s start at
>the very beginning - it’s a very good place to start”.
>
>An Unearthly Child. The first episode was fantastic. But the next three -
>meh. It wasn’t a historical story - it was a dull mess of fantasy cavemen.
>And the Doctor’s characterisation - like that of the Sixth Doctor - was
>very unsympathetic.
>
>So if I was starting again - An Unearthly Child would lead straight into
>The Daleks. And a bunch of padding would get cut from the scripts for the
>Daleks - I think we could lose about 2 episodes of time and not miss a
>single meaningful story moment. So in the revised Universe, we’d have the
>opener followed by a tighter, five episode version of The Daleks. The three
>“Tribe of Gum” scripts would be redlined and the author told to come back
>later with a different version of the Fire Makers with less repetition and
>more modern dialogue - pointing out that the TARDIS is translating, and no
>primitive two word sentences. Give the characters longer names. And do the
>whole thing in two episodes.
>
>

Are you ChatGPT in disguise?

>
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The Doctor wrote:

> In article <xn0ojfvbry3udl002@reader.xsnews.nl>,
> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> > Agent Jakanov wrote:
>
> >> That said, it was implied in the very first episode An
> >> Unearthly Child that Barbara and Ian feared he was child
> >> abuser.
> >
> > I must have missed that bit.
> >
> > Not being born at the time probably played a part in that!
>
> I wonder if true!

You wonder if I was alive in 1963? I think I'd know if I had
been.

Of course, loads of people could have lied, including my
parents, the people who register births, the priest who signed
my baptism certificate and countless others... but no, on the
whole I think it's safe enough to go with I wasn't alive in 1963!

The Last Doctor wrote:
>
> Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We don’t have the pressures
> that the production team were under - especially in those
> early days.

The early episodes were of their time, so I'd leave them as they
were. If I could go back in time though I'd just tell the BBC
not to wipe or throw away the tins of videotape/film with Doctor
Who episodes on them!

> But … in the words of the Disney version of Mary Poppins
> “Let’s start at the very beginning - it’s a very good place to
> start”.
>
> An Unearthly Child. The first episode was fantastic. But the
> next three - meh. It wasn’t a historical story - it was a dull
> mess of fantasy cavemen. And the Doctor’s characterisation -
> like that of the Sixth Doctor - was very unsympathetic.
>
> So if I was starting again - An Unearthly Child would lead
> straight into The Daleks. And a bunch of padding would get cut
> from the scripts for the Daleks - I think we could lose about
> 2 episodes of time and not miss a single meaningful story
> moment.

"The Daleks" did lose a lot of its running time in the recent
colourised version produced for the 60th anniversary. That
version was probably too abridged if I'm being honest. The
edited 75 minutes version is a bit too short for me. Two
episodes less (approx 50 mins) is probably about right for the
original seven part "The Daleks" story

Which goes for most of those six/seven-episode Doctor Who
stories from those days. They were all full of padding, which
when the story is viewed now as a whole just drags those stories
out in an un-meaningful way. A more concise cut could still have
retained all of the actual plot and conveyed the story in less
time. But television was different back then so they produced
those stories to fill the required slots on BBC1.

In article <xn0ojg1g216dy8t001@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>> In article <xn0ojfvbry3udl002@reader.xsnews.nl>,
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> > Agent Jakanov wrote:
>>
>> >> That said, it was implied in the very first episode An
>> >> Unearthly Child that Barbara and Ian feared he was child
>> >> abuser.
>> >
>> > I must have missed that bit.
>> >
>> > Not being born at the time probably played a part in that!
>>
>> I wonder if true!
>
>You wonder if I was alive in 1963? I think I'd know if I had
>been.
>
>Of course, loads of people could have lied, including my
>parents, the people who register births, the priest who signed
>my baptism certificate and countless others... but no, on the
>whole I think it's safe enough to go with I wasn't alive in 1963!

So? I have copies of what the BBC has in its archives as long as it is completed.

Ever got a copy of Enemy of the World?
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In article <xn0ojgf1317lw2z004@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The Last Doctor wrote:
>>
>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We don’t have the pressures
>> that the production team were under - especially in those
>> early days.
>
>The early episodes were of their time, so I'd leave them as they
>were. If I could go back in time though I'd just tell the BBC
>not to wipe or throw away the tins of videotape/film with Doctor
>Who episodes on them!
>
>> But … in the words of the Disney version of Mary Poppins
>> “Let’s start at the very beginning - it’s a very good place to
>> start”.
>>
>> An Unearthly Child. The first episode was fantastic. But the
>> next three - meh. It wasn’t a historical story - it was a dull
>> mess of fantasy cavemen. And the Doctor’s characterisation -
>> like that of the Sixth Doctor - was very unsympathetic.
>>
>> So if I was starting again - An Unearthly Child would lead
>> straight into The Daleks. And a bunch of padding would get cut
>> from the scripts for the Daleks - I think we could lose about
>> 2 episodes of time and not miss a single meaningful story
>> moment.
>
>"The Daleks" did lose a lot of its running time in the recent
>colourised version produced for the 60th anniversary. That
>version was probably too abridged if I'm being honest. The
>edited 75 minutes version is a bit too short for me. Two
>episodes less (approx 50 mins) is probably about right for the
>original seven part "The Daleks" story
>

I prefer the completed 7 episodes.

>Which goes for most of those six/seven-episode Doctor Who
>stories from those days. They were all full of padding, which
>when the story is viewed now as a whole just drags those stories
>out in an un-meaningful way. A more concise cut could still have
>retained all of the actual plot and conveyed the story in less
>time. But television was different back then so they produced
>those stories to fill the required slots on BBC1.

iBBC TV back in the early 1960s.
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The Doctor wrote on 18/3/24 5:24 am:
> In article <ut6ohf$3h7h3$2@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> The Doctor wrote on 17/3/24 11:13 pm:
>>> In article <ut6eln$3f6vv$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
>>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>> The Doctor wrote on 17/3/24 3:25 am:
>>>>> In article <ut4grt$2voft$1@dont-email.me>, Agent Jakanov
>>>>> <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>>>>>> doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
>>>>>> news:ut4f70$ahs$5 @gallifrey.nk.ca:
>>>>>>> In article <ut4c6f$2uq53$1@dont-email.me>, Agent Jakanov
>>>>>>> <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Untrue. The 3rd Doctor was incapacitated for a
>>>>>>>>>> large part of his first story. The intro stories
>>>>>>>>>> for the 5th and 10th Doctors copied this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But not unstable!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IYIO.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How were they unstable?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> YMMV.
>>>>>
>>>>> The No Comment approach
>>>>
>>>> The EXACT SAME APPROACH YOU, "Yellow Beard Yadallee", USE!!
>>>
>>> How there REd-bearded boyo?
>>
>> By *NEVER* actually answering ANY of the questions asked of YOU,
>> "Yellow Beard Yadallee".
>
> You cannot acept the answer Red-Beard

That's THE POINT, "Yellow Beard Yadallee", YOU *NEVER GIVE ANY ANSWERS*
, "Yellow Beard Yadallee"!!
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Blueshirt wrote on 18/3/24 10:50 am:
> The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <xn0ojfvbry3udl002@reader.xsnews.nl>,
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>> Agent Jakanov wrote:
>>
>>>> That said, it was implied in the very first episode An
>>>> Unearthly Child that Barbara and Ian feared he was child
>>>> abuser.
>>>
>>> I must have missed that bit.
>>>
>>> Not being born at the time probably played a part in that!
>>
>> I wonder if true!
>
> You wonder if I was alive in 1963? I think I'd know if I had
> been.

No, you wouldn't .... you would have been too young to read a calendar,
surely .... and we all know what liars Parents can be to little people!!

> Of course, loads of people could have lied, including my
> parents, the people who register births, the priest who signed
> my baptism certificate and countless others... but no, on the
> whole I think it's safe enough to go with I wasn't alive in 1963!
>
Priest's LIE!! OH, tell me it isn't SO!!
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The Doctor wrote on 17/3/24 11:15 pm:
> In article <Ga1YBr$qczB@ATH>, Mickmane <ATH@kruemel.org> wrote:
>> On 17.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>> Mickmane wrote:
>>>> On 16.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
>>>>
>>>> Why strangle Adric?
>>
>>> Why not? He was more annoying than Peri and JNT thought that was
>>> a good idea!
>>
>> Peri doesn't really stand out in my memory. I'd have to rewatch to get
>> an idea of what she was like.
>>
>> (And I already forgot what JNT stands for, some producer/director/
>> whatever, but that never really counts with me, I just look at the
>> product. :) )
>
> Ever met J-NT?

"Yellow Beard Yadallee" being as helpful as ever ...... *NOT*

If Mickmane doesn't know what JNT stands for, do YOU, "Yellow Beard
Yadallee", really think he has met J-NT, "Yellow Beard Yadallee"??
--
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Blueshirt wrote on 18/3/24 11:24 am:
> The Last Doctor wrote:
>>
>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We don’t have the pressures
>> that the production team were under - especially in those
>> early days.
>
> The early episodes were of their time, so I'd leave them as they
> were. If I could go back in time though I'd just tell the BBC
> not to wipe or throw away the tins of videotape/film with Doctor
> Who episodes on them!

But would YOU, Blueshirt, be willing to hand over (pick a figure) 100's
of YOUR hard earned 1960's pounds to assist the BBC to purchase NEW
tapes so they could KEEP those 'Doctor Who' tapes ..... WOULD YOU??
--
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Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> The Last Doctor wrote:
>>
>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We don’t have the pressures
>> that the production team were under - especially in those
>> early days.
>
> The early episodes were of their time, so I'd leave them as they
> were. If I could go back in time though I'd just tell the BBC
> not to wipe or throw away the tins of videotape/film with Doctor
> Who episodes on them!

Absolutely agreed on the preservation front.

The 252 episodes of the first four seasons were aired over just 291 weeks
from 1963-1969 - less than 7 weeks a year without a new episode needed. So
no wonder the padding was in there - you’d need 50% more stories otherwise,
and with even less time to refine and develop each story.

It was a punishing delivery pace - RTD is planning on giving us the
equivalent of 18 old size episodes a year, just 40% of what that team had
to produce.

But if we’re to make lemonade with our lemons - we need to consider all of
our ingredients as lemons.

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In article <ut93mc$43ve$2@dont-email.me>,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote on 18/3/24 5:24 am:
>> In article <ut6ohf$3h7h3$2@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>> The Doctor wrote on 17/3/24 11:13 pm:
>>>> In article <ut6eln$3f6vv$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
>>>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>> The Doctor wrote on 17/3/24 3:25 am:
>>>>>> In article <ut4grt$2voft$1@dont-email.me>, Agent Jakanov
>>>>>> <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor) wrote in
>>>>>>> news:ut4f70$ahs$5 @gallifrey.nk.ca:
>>>>>>>> In article <ut4c6f$2uq53$1@dont-email.me>, Agent Jakanov
>>>>>>>> <mouth@onlegs.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Untrue. The 3rd Doctor was incapacitated for a
>>>>>>>>>>> large part of his first story. The intro stories
>>>>>>>>>>> for the 5th and 10th Doctors copied this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But not unstable!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> IYIO.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How were they unstable?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> YMMV.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The No Comment approach
>>>>>
>>>>> The EXACT SAME APPROACH YOU, "Yellow Beard Yadallee", USE!!
>>>>
>>>> How there REd-bearded boyo?
>>>
>>> By *NEVER* actually answering ANY of the questions asked of YOU,
>>> "Yellow Beard Yadallee".
>>
>> You cannot acept the answer Red-Beard
>
>That's THE POINT, "Yellow Beard Yadallee", YOU *NEVER GIVE ANY ANSWERS*
>, "Yellow Beard Yadallee"!!

You cannot accept the answer Red-Beard

>--
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In article <ut940a$475j$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>Blueshirt wrote on 18/3/24 10:50 am:
>> The Doctor wrote:
>>> In article <xn0ojfvbry3udl002@reader.xsnews.nl>,
>>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>> Agent Jakanov wrote:
>>>
>>>>> That said, it was implied in the very first episode An
>>>>> Unearthly Child that Barbara and Ian feared he was child
>>>>> abuser.
>>>>
>>>> I must have missed that bit.
>>>>
>>>> Not being born at the time probably played a part in that!
>>>
>>> I wonder if true!
>>
>> You wonder if I was alive in 1963? I think I'd know if I had
>> been.
>
>No, you wouldn't .... you would have been too young to read a calendar,
>surely .... and we all know what liars Parents can be to little people!!
>
>> Of course, loads of people could have lied, including my
>> parents, the people who register births, the priest who signed
>> my baptism certificate and countless others... but no, on the
>> whole I think it's safe enough to go with I wasn't alive in 1963!
>>
>Priest's LIE!! OH, tell me it isn't SO!!

So are priests human?

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In article <ut948u$48rg$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote on 17/3/24 11:15 pm:
>> In article <Ga1YBr$qczB@ATH>, Mickmane <ATH@kruemel.org> wrote:
>>> On 17.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>> Mickmane wrote:
>>>>> On 16.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
>>>>>
>>>>> Why strangle Adric?
>>>
>>>> Why not? He was more annoying than Peri and JNT thought that was
>>>> a good idea!
>>>
>>> Peri doesn't really stand out in my memory. I'd have to rewatch to get
>>> an idea of what she was like.
>>>
>>> (And I already forgot what JNT stands for, some producer/director/
>>> whatever, but that never really counts with me, I just look at the
>>> product. :) )
>>
>> Ever met J-NT?
>
>"Yellow Beard Yadallee" being as helpful as ever ...... *NOT*
>
>If Mickmane doesn't know what JNT stands for, do YOU, "Yellow Beard
>Yadallee", really think he has met J-NT, "Yellow Beard Yadallee"??

Met him in Chicago 1993.

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In article <ut9662$4krh$1@dont-email.me>,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>Blueshirt wrote on 18/3/24 11:24 am:
>> The Last Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We don’t have the pressures
>>> that the production team were under - especially in those
>>> early days.
>>
>> The early episodes were of their time, so I'd leave them as they
>> were. If I could go back in time though I'd just tell the BBC
>> not to wipe or throw away the tins of videotape/film with Doctor
>> Who episodes on them!
>
>But would YOU, Blueshirt, be willing to hand over (pick a figure) 100's
>of YOUR hard earned 1960's pounds to assist the BBC to purchase NEW
>tapes so they could KEEP those 'Doctor Who' tapes ..... WOULD YOU??

I might!!

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In article <ut9c60$5uk7$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> The Last Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We don’t have the pressures
>>> that the production team were under - especially in those
>>> early days.
>>
>> The early episodes were of their time, so I'd leave them as they
>> were. If I could go back in time though I'd just tell the BBC
>> not to wipe or throw away the tins of videotape/film with Doctor
>> Who episodes on them!
>
>Absolutely agreed on the preservation front.
>
>The 252 episodes of the first four seasons were aired over just 291 weeks
>from 1963-1969 - less than 7 weeks a year without a new episode needed. So
>no wonder the padding was in there - you’d need 50% more stories otherwise,
>and with even less time to refine and develop each story.
>
>It was a punishing delivery pace - RTD is planning on giving us the
>equivalent of 18 old size episodes a year, just 40% of what that team had
>to produce.
>
>But if we’re to make lemonade with our lemons - we need to consider all of
>our ingredients as lemons.

The embarrassment of the 1980s!!!

>
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Daniel65 wrote:

> Blueshirt wrote on 18/3/24 11:24 am:
> >
> > The early episodes were of their time, so I'd leave them as
> > they were. If I could go back in time though I'd just tell
> > the BBC not to wipe or throw away the tins of videotape/film
> > with Doctor Who episodes on them!
>
> But would YOU, Blueshirt, be willing to hand over (pick a
> figure) 100's of YOUR hard earned 1960's pounds to assist the
> BBC to purchase NEW tapes so they could KEEP those 'Doctor
> Who' tapes ..... WOULD YOU??

Theoretically, if all the 97 missing episodes of Doctor Who
were available to buy from someone and the price was equal to or
less than the money that's in my bank account, yes I would buy
them for the BBC!

The Last Doctor wrote:
>
> But if we’re to make lemonade with our lemons - we need to
> consider all of our ingredients as lemons.

I'd just concentrate on the lemons of Doctor Who 1987-89 to make
a special recipe lemonade which I'd market as "McCoy's Vintage
Lemonade" !

The Doctor wrote:
>
> So? I have copies of what the BBC has in its archives as long
> as it is completed.

I didn't have every [available/complete] Doctor Who story on
VHS/DVD/... but the new BBC 'Blu-Ray Collection' sets will solve
that problem when they eventually complete all of the seasons.

(The Doctor Who Season 15 Blu-Ray Collection set is released
today btw.)

> Ever got a copy of Enemy of the World?

No actually.

In article <xn0ojh46a25p4xu005@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Daniel65 wrote:
>
>> Blueshirt wrote on 18/3/24 11:24 am:
>> >
>> > The early episodes were of their time, so I'd leave them as
>> > they were. If I could go back in time though I'd just tell
>> > the BBC not to wipe or throw away the tins of videotape/film
>> > with Doctor Who episodes on them!
>>
>> But would YOU, Blueshirt, be willing to hand over (pick a
>> figure) 100's of YOUR hard earned 1960's pounds to assist the
>> BBC to purchase NEW tapes so they could KEEP those 'Doctor
>> Who' tapes ..... WOULD YOU??
>
>Theoretically, if all the 97 missing episodes of Doctor Who
>were available to buy from someone and the price was equal to or
>less than the money that's in my bank account, yes I would buy
>them for the BBC!

Same!!
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In article <xn0ojh4d625z6t6006@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The Last Doctor wrote:
>>
>> But if we’re to make lemonade with our lemons - we need to
>> consider all of our ingredients as lemons.
>
>I'd just concentrate on the lemons of Doctor Who 1987-89 to make
>a special recipe lemonade which I'd market as "McCoy's Vintage
>Lemonade" !

Boo on you!
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In article <xn0ojh4mh26cm7j007@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>>
>> So? I have copies of what the BBC has in its archives as long
>> as it is completed.
>
>I didn't have every [available/complete] Doctor Who story on
>VHS/DVD/... but the new BBC 'Blu-Ray Collection' sets will solve
>that problem when they eventually complete all of the seasons.
>
>(The Doctor Who Season 15 Blu-Ray Collection set is released
>today btw.)
>
>> Ever got a copy of Enemy of the World?
>
>No actually.

I await the next complete set with originals!
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On 18.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> Mickmane wrote:
>> On 17.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>> Mickmane wrote:
>>>> On 16.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

>>>>> Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
>>>>
>>>> Why strangle Adric?
>>>
>>> Why not? He was more annoying than Peri and JNT thought that
>>> was a good idea!
>>
>> Peri doesn't really stand out in my memory. I'd have to
>> rewatch to get an idea of what she was like.

> You don't remember Peri?!

I said she doesn't stand out. So, I know there was a companion named
Peri, and since you name the one that flinched thus, I assume it's her.
That's it.

> I'm sure if you'd seen Peri in "Planet of Fire" she'd have stood
> out!!!

Names and I... I have to check what happens in that episode... Google
mentions her being rescued from drowning, and I remember that and that
she ended up in the TARDIS after.

She still doesn't stand out.

> I loved Peri. She was probably the last Doctor Who companion
> that I had a 'thing' for...

I have not experienced that particular emotion towards any companion. :P

>>> Also, it would have saved time and money on having to
>>> arrange a space freighter to crash in to Earth just to get
>>> rid of him! :-)
>>
>> Lol!
>>
>> But then what would have wiped out the dinos?

> Oh, I dunno ... maybe an asteroid? ;-)

How... ordinary! ;P

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In article <Ga5YZQM5czB@ATH>, Mickmane <ATH@kruemel.org> wrote:
>On 18.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> Mickmane wrote:
>>> On 17.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>> Mickmane wrote:
>>>>> On 16.03.24, Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Now, if the Fifth Doctor had strangled Adric...
>>>>>
>>>>> Why strangle Adric?
>>>>
>>>> Why not? He was more annoying than Peri and JNT thought that
>>>> was a good idea!
>>>
>>> Peri doesn't really stand out in my memory. I'd have to
>>> rewatch to get an idea of what she was like.
>
>> You don't remember Peri?!
>
>I said she doesn't stand out. So, I know there was a companion named
>Peri, and since you name the one that flinched thus, I assume it's her.
>That's it.
>
>> I'm sure if you'd seen Peri in "Planet of Fire" she'd have stood
>> out!!!
>
>Names and I... I have to check what happens in that episode... Google
>mentions her being rescued from drowning, and I remember that and that
>she ended up in the TARDIS after.
>
>She still doesn't stand out.
>

Peri Brown? Big chest?

>> I loved Peri. She was probably the last Doctor Who companion
>> that I had a 'thing' for...
>
>I have not experienced that particular emotion towards any companion. :P
>
>>>> Also, it would have saved time and money on having to
>>>> arrange a space freighter to crash in to Earth just to get
>>>> rid of him! :-)
>>>
>>> Lol!
>>>
>>> But then what would have wiped out the dinos?
>
>> Oh, I dunno ... maybe an asteroid? ;-)
>
>How... ordinary! ;P
>
>--
>
>Mickmane
>

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Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> The Last Doctor wrote:
>>
>> But if we’re to make lemonade with our lemons - we need to
>> consider all of our ingredients as lemons.
>
> I'd just concentrate on the lemons of Doctor Who 1987-89 to make
> a special recipe lemonade which I'd market as "McCoy's Vintage
> Lemonade" !
>

OK - well let’s start at the very beginning there, too.

Number one : fire John Nathan-Turner and hire Chris Boucher as producer and
Graeme Harper as director. (I know - Boucher was a writer, but he is here
freshly off the frustration of watching Star Cops not go quite the way he
envisaged, and is in a would be producer mindset). Tell them Doctor Who in
the mode of Star Cops is exactly what we’re aiming for.

Number two: don’t hire Keff McCulloch for the music. Instead hire the
master of TV scores of the 70s and 80s - Jeff Wayne. (Yes, he of War of the
Worlds).

To begin with, keep the title sequence from Colin Baker’s second season to
maintain continuity. And because he’s going to be in the first episode
(will explain to him that JN-T and the reception of the last season mean we
have to go in another direction - but we’d like to have him back soon for a
multi Doctor episode).

The Rani’s opening salvo fails and she curses because she “wants them
both”.

So: the Sixth Doctor and Mel land safely on Lakertya after the Rani’s
strike - with Mel working the controls confidently just as much as the
Doctor - and there is some banter about how they had to untangle their
lifelines so that they met in the right order. Mel uses computing metaphors
- the trial was a subroutine that they had to loop back from - etc. Make it
clear how intelligent and versatile she is.

They head out from the TARDIS but despite Mel’s warnings for him to be
careful, the Doctor’s arrogant insouciance leads him to set off a trap and
he soars off in a bubble - only to crash into a mountainside and tumble
down a thousand feet of cliff face. It’s regeneration time. Hello
Sylvester.

—- principal differences in this treatment

—- the Rani is rational and at no time pretends to be Mel. She pretends to
have Mel locked up as leverage to get the Doctor to help her. The Doctor
isn’t fooled for a minute and secretly sabotages her TARDIS and her
experiments.

—- Both Kate and Sylv are told to take it seriously and not ham it up.

—- Mel is considered intellectually superior - and shows it - and is one of
the Rani’s chosen subjects for the experiment.

—- The experiment is to build an AI capable of original thought and
outperforming the Gallifreyan Matrix, predicting and marking fixed and
malleable key points in time. Not to grow an enormous rubber brain and
explode an asteroid to create Helium 2.

— The comic aspects of the dialogue should be reduced by about 99%.

(This story requires so much rewriting to not make it an irredeemable pile
of shit …. Ah well. Make the rest up yourselves.)

—- The same (previous season’s) title sequence is retained for the rest of
this season, from episode 2 of this serial - but we get a serious,
mysterious shot of Sylv’s face. No silver paint. No cheeky wink. And no
crappy logo that even the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation would have
rejected.

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In article <utagtm$dujp$1@dont-email.me>,
The Last Doctor <mike@xenocyte.com> wrote:
>Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> The Last Doctor wrote:
>>>
>>> But if we’re to make lemonade with our lemons - we need to
>>> consider all of our ingredients as lemons.
>>
>> I'd just concentrate on the lemons of Doctor Who 1987-89 to make
>> a special recipe lemonade which I'd market as "McCoy's Vintage
>> Lemonade" !
>>
>
>OK - well let’s start at the very beginning there, too.
>
>Number one : fire John Nathan-Turner and hire Chris Boucher as producer and
>Graeme Harper as director. (I know - Boucher was a writer, but he is here
>freshly off the frustration of watching Star Cops not go quite the way he
>envisaged, and is in a would be producer mindset). Tell them Doctor Who in
>the mode of Star Cops is exactly what we’re aiming for.
>
>Number two: don’t hire Keff McCulloch for the music. Instead hire the
>master of TV scores of the 70s and 80s - Jeff Wayne. (Yes, he of War of the
>Worlds).
>
>To begin with, keep the title sequence from Colin Baker’s second season to
>maintain continuity. And because he’s going to be in the first episode
>(will explain to him that JN-T and the reception of the last season mean we
>have to go in another direction - but we’d like to have him back soon for a
>multi Doctor episode).
>
>The Rani’s opening salvo fails and she curses because she “wants them
>both”.
>
>So: the Sixth Doctor and Mel land safely on Lakertya after the Rani’s
>strike - with Mel working the controls confidently just as much as the
>Doctor - and there is some banter about how they had to untangle their
>lifelines so that they met in the right order. Mel uses computing metaphors
>- the trial was a subroutine that they had to loop back from - etc. Make it
>clear how intelligent and versatile she is.
>
>They head out from the TARDIS but despite Mel’s warnings for him to be
>careful, the Doctor’s arrogant insouciance leads him to set off a trap and
>he soars off in a bubble - only to crash into a mountainside and tumble
>down a thousand feet of cliff face. It’s regeneration time. Hello
>Sylvester.
>
>—- principal differences in this treatment
>
>—- the Rani is rational and at no time pretends to be Mel. She pretends to
>have Mel locked up as leverage to get the Doctor to help her. The Doctor
>isn’t fooled for a minute and secretly sabotages her TARDIS and her
>experiments.
>
>—- Both Kate and Sylv are told to take it seriously and not ham it up.
>
>—- Mel is considered intellectually superior - and shows it - and is one of
>the Rani’s chosen subjects for the experiment.
>
>—- The experiment is to build an AI capable of original thought and
>outperforming the Gallifreyan Matrix, predicting and marking fixed and
>malleable key points in time. Not to grow an enormous rubber brain and
>explode an asteroid to create Helium 2.
>
>— The comic aspects of the dialogue should be reduced by about 99%.
>
>(This story requires so much rewriting to not make it an irredeemable pile
>of shit …. Ah well. Make the rest up yourselves.)
>
>—- The same (previous season’s) title sequence is retained for the rest of
>this season, from episode 2 of this serial - but we get a serious,
>mysterious shot of Sylv’s face. No silver paint. No cheeky wink. And no
>crappy logo that even the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation would have
>rejected.
>

Too bad this is nor 1987.

>--
>“The timelines and … canon … are rupturing” - the Doctor

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