Trump's only condition for our complete withdrawal
and an end to all sanctions appears to be a
well-timed and hearty political endorsement
from...The Taliban. See below please.

Everyone around the world knows full-well that if
you kissed Trump's rear just-right, he'd be
eternally grateful and roll over like a
puppy dog.

Here is the Taliban kissing Trump's rear /just-right/
/days before the election/ when Trump needed the
rear-kissing the most...

Oct 11, 2020
Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
phone interview

"We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
all the major promises he had made to American people, although
he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
trust Trump for his decisive actions."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/

Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?

And the Taliban got in return a no-conditions deal
for the US to completely pull out by.../May 1,2021/
and for complete...end to US sanctions

The Taliban offensive BEGAN on.../May 1,2020/ the
very same date Trump set for a complete withdrawal.

See links below.

Biden was left with a choice between sending some
10,000 US troops back in, or getting out.

The Trump administration agreed to an initial reduction
of its force level from 13,000 to 8,600 by July 2020,
followed by a full withdrawal by /1 May 2021/.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Withdrawal_of_United_States_troops_from_Afghanistan_(2020%E2%80%932021)

The 2021 Taliban offensive is an ongoing military offensive
by the Taliban and allied militant groups against the
government of Afghanistan and its allies that began on
/1 May 2021/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Taliban_offensive

Jonathan

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On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan wrote:

> Oct 11, 2020
> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
> phone interview
>
> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
> because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
> all the major promises he had made to American people, although
> he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
> the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
> who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
> trust Trump for his decisive actions."
> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
>
> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?

No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
population of the U.S..

John Savard

In article <489873c2-c577-4746-af25-47a770ca8704n@googlegroups.com>,
Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan wrote:
>
>> Oct 11, 2020
>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
>> phone interview
>>
>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
>> because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
>> all the major promises he had made to American people, although
>> he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
>> the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
>> who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
>> trust Trump for his decisive actions."
>>
>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
>>
>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
>
>No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
>small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
>population of the U.S..

So,

(a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
Afghanistan at present?

(b) What's it going to be like six months from now?

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:22:32 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
Heydt) wrote:

>In article <489873c2-c577-4746-af25-47a770ca8704n@googlegroups.com>,
>Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan wrote:
>>
>>> Oct 11, 2020
>>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
>>> phone interview
>>>
>>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
>>> because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
>>> all the major promises he had made to American people, although
>>> he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
>>> the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
>>> who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
>>> trust Trump for his decisive actions."
>>>
>>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
>>>
>>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
>>
>>No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
>>small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
>>population of the U.S..
>
>So,
>
>(a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
>Afghanistan at present?
>
>(b) What's it going to be like six months from now?

This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They are
requiring half the population to wear masks after all. Incidentally,
early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to come by and even
elastic to make them was scarce, I got a couple of shemaghs (the real
deal, made in Palestine by Arabs) and found them comfortable and
apparently efficacious (I did not as far as I know get COVID, although
I did get _something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
me wondering).

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:51:15 PM UTC+1, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:22:32 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
> Heydt) wrote:
>
> >In article <489873c2-c577-4746...@googlegroups.com>,
> >Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
> >>On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan wrote:
> >>
> >>> Oct 11, 2020
> >>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
> >>> phone interview
> >>>
> >>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
> >>> because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
> >>> all the major promises he had made to American people, although
> >>> he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
> >>> the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
> >>> who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
> >>> trust Trump for his decisive actions."
> >>>
> >>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
> >>>
> >>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
> >>
> >>No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
> >>small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
> >>population of the U.S..
> >
> >So,
> >
> >(a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
> >Afghanistan at present?
> >
> >(b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
> This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They are
> requiring half the population to wear masks after all. Incidentally,
> early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to come by and even
> elastic to make them was scarce, I got a couple of shemaghs (the real
> deal, made in Palestine by Arabs) and found them comfortable and
> apparently efficacious (I did not as far as I know get COVID, although
> I did get _something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
> me wondering).
The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to be suspicious of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting intelligence under this cover). Afghanistan is going to be a really good example of why we cannot hope to wipe out covid.

ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from Falkenberg's Legion

The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
The orders come down from on high.
It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
We're sending you where you can die.
The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
rather more often than not.

(Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that Pournelle got it from any Imperialist model)

Biden's (puppeteers') lack of planning on the abandonment of at least
some Americans and pretty much all our allies in Afganistan will
directly result in thousands of deaths. These people were *betrayed*
by Biden (puppeteers) criminal stupidity, criminal negligence, of
deliberate plan.

People should hang over how they've handlded this.

And that is entirely on the *current* administration.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Not to mention, Obama was CiC for twice as long as Trump, so he's
twice as responsible for the mistakes made there.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) wrote in
news:qxzuxK.p95@kithrup.com:

> In article
> <489873c2-c577-4746-af25-47a770ca8704n@googlegroups.com>,
> Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan wrote:
>>
>>> Oct 11, 2020
>>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
>>> phone interview
>>>
>>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
>>> because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
>>> all the major promises he had made to American people,
>>> although he might have missed some small things, but did
>>> accomplish the bigger promises, so it is possible that the
>>> U.S. people who experienced deceptions in the past will once
>>> again trust Trump for his decisive actions."
>>>
>>https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win
>>-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
>>>
>>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
>>
>>No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
>>small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
>>population of the U.S..
>
> So,
>
> (a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
> Afghanistan at present?

rising in areas the Taliban has banned the vaccine. But not in
areas they haven't.
>
> (b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
>
Very much like it was on Sepember 10, 2001. Thanks to Biden's
puppeteers.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On 8/17/2021 11:02 AM, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan wrote:
>
>> Oct 11, 2020
>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
>> phone interview
>>
>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
>> because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
>> all the major promises he had made to American people, although
>> he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
>> the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
>> who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
>> trust Trump for his decisive actions."
>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
>>
>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
>
> No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
> small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
> population of the U.S..
>
> John Savard

The Omega version of the Covid has not been released yet.

Lynn

On 8/17/2021 1:01 PM, Andrew McDowell wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:51:15 PM UTC+1, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:22:32 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>> Heydt) wrote:
>>
>>> In article <489873c2-c577-4746...@googlegroups.com>,
>>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Oct 11, 2020
>>>>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
>>>>> phone interview
>>>>>
>>>>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
>>>>> because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
>>>>> all the major promises he had made to American people, although
>>>>> he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
>>>>> the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
>>>>> who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
>>>>> trust Trump for his decisive actions."
>>>>>
>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
>>>>>
>>>>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
>>>>
>>>> No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
>>>> small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
>>>> population of the U.S..
>>>
>>> So,
>>>
>>> (a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
>>> Afghanistan at present?
>>>
>>> (b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
>> This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They are
>> requiring half the population to wear masks after all. Incidentally,
>> early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to come by and even
>> elastic to make them was scarce, I got a couple of shemaghs (the real
>> deal, made in Palestine by Arabs) and found them comfortable and
>> apparently efficacious (I did not as far as I know get COVID, although
>> I did get _something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
>> me wondering).
> The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to be suspicious of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting intelligence under this cover). Afghanistan is going to be a really good example of why we cannot hope to wipe out covid.
>
> ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from Falkenberg's Legion
>
> The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
> The orders come down from on high.
> It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
> We're sending you where you can die.
> The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
> rather more often than not.
>
> (Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that Pournelle got it from any Imperialist model)

Jerry Pournelle was a Korean War era veteran of the USA Army. Officer
in the Artillery if I remember correctly.

Lynn

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 13:57:44 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 8/17/2021 1:01 PM, Andrew McDowell wrote:
>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:51:15 PM UTC+1, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:22:32 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>>> Heydt) wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <489873c2-c577-4746...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oct 11, 2020
>>>>>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
>>>>>> phone interview
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
>>>>>> because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
>>>>>> all the major promises he had made to American people, although
>>>>>> he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
>>>>>> the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
>>>>>> who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
>>>>>> trust Trump for his decisive actions."
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
>>>>>
>>>>> No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
>>>>> small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
>>>>> population of the U.S..
>>>>
>>>> So,
>>>>
>>>> (a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
>>>> Afghanistan at present?
>>>>
>>>> (b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
>>> This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They are
>>> requiring half the population to wear masks after all. Incidentally,
>>> early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to come by and even
>>> elastic to make them was scarce, I got a couple of shemaghs (the real
>>> deal, made in Palestine by Arabs) and found them comfortable and
>>> apparently efficacious (I did not as far as I know get COVID, although
>>> I did get _something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
>>> me wondering).
>> The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to be suspicious of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting intelligence under this cover). Afghanistan is going to be a really good example of why we cannot hope to wipe out covid.
>>
>> ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from Falkenberg's Legion
>>
>> The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
>> The orders come down from on high.
>> It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
>> We're sending you where you can die.
>> The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
>> rather more often than not.
>>
>> (Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that Pournelle got it from any Imperialist model)
>
>Jerry Pournelle was a Korean War era veteran of the USA Army. Officer
>in the Artillery if I remember correctly.

One of these days the President is going to order the Army go into
some godforsaken place for no good reason and I woulds like to see
them tell him "Sir, we are not going to go into some godforsaken place
and kill a bunch of people who have never done anything to us only to
be told 20 years down the road 'oops'. Do you absolutely guarantee
that that will not happen this time? May we shoot you and your family
if that promise is not kept?"

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 13:57:44 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 8/17/2021 1:01 PM, Andrew McDowell wrote:
>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:51:15 PM UTC+1, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:22:32 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>>> Heydt) wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <489873c2-c577-4746...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Oct 11, 2020
>>>>>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
>>>>>> phone interview
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
>>>>>> because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
>>>>>> all the major promises he had made to American people, although
>>>>>> he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
>>>>>> the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
>>>>>> who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
>>>>>> trust Trump for his decisive actions."
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
>>>>>
>>>>> No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
>>>>> small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
>>>>> population of the U.S..
>>>>
>>>> So,
>>>>
>>>> (a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
>>>> Afghanistan at present?
>>>>
>>>> (b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
>>> This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They are
>>> requiring half the population to wear masks after all. Incidentally,
>>> early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to come by and even
>>> elastic to make them was scarce, I got a couple of shemaghs (the real
>>> deal, made in Palestine by Arabs) and found them comfortable and
>>> apparently efficacious (I did not as far as I know get COVID, although
>>> I did get _something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
>>> me wondering).
>> The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to be suspicious of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting intelligence under this cover). Afghanistan is going to be a really good example of why we cannot hope to wipe out covid.
>>
>> ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from Falkenberg's Legion
>>
>> The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
>> The orders come down from on high.
>> It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
>> We're sending you where you can die.
>> The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
>> rather more often than not.
>>
>> (Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that Pournelle got it from any Imperialist model)
>
>Jerry Pournelle was a Korean War era veteran of the USA Army. Officer
>in the Artillery if I remember correctly.

Yup. And his hearing never recovered.

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On 8/17/2021 12:02 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan wrote:
>
>> Oct 11, 2020
>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
>> phone interview
>>
>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming election
>> because he has proved himself a politician who accomplished
>> all the major promises he had made to American people, although
>> he might have missed some small things, but did accomplish
>> the bigger promises, so it is possible that the U.S. people
>> who experienced deceptions in the past will once again
>> trust Trump for his decisive actions."
>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-will-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
>>
>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
>
> No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of the
> small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out the
> population of the U.S..
>
> John Savard
>

I'm sure like Putin, Kim John Un, Ergodan and Xi the Taliban
would have loved to see Trump reelected.

All you have to do is stroke his ego to get whatever you want.

15 times Donald Trump praised authoritarian rulers
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/02/politics/donald-trump-dictators-kim-jong-un-vladimir-putin/index.html

--
BIG LIE From Wiki - "The German expression was coined by Adolf Hitler
when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, to describe the use of a lie
so *colossal* that no one would believe that someone "could have the
impudence to distort the truth so infamously."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_lie

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 12:16:08 PM UTC-6, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:

> People should hang over how they've handlded this.
>
> And that is entirely on the *current* administration.

And yet Trump boasted of how he arranged things so that Joe Biden was unable to choose,
instead, to continue the fight for another several years...

The Afghan regime told Biden not to evacuate people ahead of time, as it would cause panic.
So Biden believed that the Afghan forces would continue the fight in the absence of Americans.

This can be blamed on his naivete. Afghan soldiers, unlike U.S. soldiers, have their wives and
children *living in Afghanistan*. As the Taliban are terrorists themselves...

I remember the fall of Saigon, and Joe Biden is old enough to as well, as he is a bit older than I
am, or you and Trump wouldn't be able to accuse him of senility.

John Savard

On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 3:17:13 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:

> One of these days the President is going to order the Army go into
> some godforsaken place for no good reason and I woulds like to see
> them tell him "Sir, we are not going to go into some godforsaken place
> and kill a bunch of people who have never done anything to us only to
> be told 20 years down the road 'oops'. Do you absolutely guarantee
> that that will not happen this time? May we shoot you and your family
> if that promise is not kept?"

I can understand your emotional reaction.

But it is based on a number of false premises.

1) "A bunch of people who have never done anything to us"

In the case of the Taliban, what they did to America was shield Osama bin Laden
from justice, and Osama bin Laden certainly _did_ do something to you Americans,
as I think you still remember.

In the case of Vietnam - and Korea - there _was_ the Cold War.

But the whole idea of "done anything to _us_" is flawed. Done anything to *any
innocent victim* is the correct standard.

"Verily, I say unto thee: Whatsoever thou doest unto the least of My brethren, thou
hast done unto Me." - Matthew 25:40

So going to Vietnam to protect the people of Vietnam from Communist invasion
was a good idea. Subverting South Vietnam's democratic government to get a
more pliable military regime, or My Lai, not so much.

2) The term of office of the President of the United States of America is four years.

As well, the Twenty-Second Amendment to the United States Constitution prevents
a President from serving more than two terms.

However, in any case, I have good news for you.

It will not be necessary for the armed forces of the United States to mutiny
(hey, why just stop at killing innocent members of a President's family? Why
not become the government, as in so many other banana republics? I mean,
what with global warming, you might even be able to *grow* bananas in Florida
and California, where oranges grow now...) to accomplish your end.

The voters of the United States, whose sons (and, to some extent, daughters)
fight and die on foreign lands are *also* losing their patience with this sort of
thing.

So I suspect the United States government is going to think long and hard before
sending troops into some obscure and unfortunate corner of the world (but, were
there a God, Who loves *all* innocent thinking beings, no part of the world would be
forsaken by Him) in the future.

For the most part, this _is_ a good thing.

However, a retreat by the United States from actively ensuring the security of liberty
on a global basis has obvious potential bad consequences. If you lived in Israel,
Taiwan, or South Korea, I wouldn't have to explain them to you.

John Savard

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:e344a5d8-9796-4bc4-93c5-a12e114ef567n@googlegroups.com:

> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 12:16:08 PM UTC-6, Jibini Kula
> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>
>> People should hang over how they've handlded this.
>>
>> And that is entirely on the *current* administration.
>
> And yet Trump boasted of how he arranged things so that Joe
> Biden was unable to choose, instead, to continue the fight for
> another several years...

Not relevant to *how* it was handled.
>
> The Afghan regime told Biden not to evacuate people ahead of
> time, as it would cause panic. So Biden believed that the Afghan
> forces would continue the fight in the absence of Americans.

The intellgience community certainly has some people who should
hang for their failures, too.
>
> This can be blamed on his naivete. Afghan soldiers, unlike U.S.
> soldiers, have their wives and children *living in Afghanistan*.
> As the Taliban are terrorists themselves...

Nothing can be blamed on Biden, who is too senile to know whether
or not he's wearing pants.

His puppeteers shoule be criminally prosecuted for their choices.
>
> I remember the fall of Saigon, and Joe Biden is old enough to as
> well, as he is a bit older than I am, or you and Trump wouldn't
> be able to accuse him of senility.
>
His senility is obvious every time anything goes even slightly off
script. You don't see it because you choose not to.

None of that is relevant to *how* his puppeteers have gotten
thousands of people murdered under circumstances they had to have
known would result in exactly that.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
news:9k9ohgdcepbgqtqs1bml9v2a50933t578u@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 13:57:44 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 8/17/2021 1:01 PM, Andrew McDowell wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:51:15 PM UTC+1, J. Clarke
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:22:32 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy
>>>> J Heydt) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <489873c2-c577-4746...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oct 11, 2020
>>>>>>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
>>>>>>> phone interview
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming
>>>>>>> election because he has proved himself a politician who
>>>>>>> accomplished all the major promises he had made to
>>>>>>> American people, although he might have missed some small
>>>>>>> things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is
>>>>>>> possible that the U.S. people who experienced deceptions
>>>>>>> in the past will once again trust Trump for his decisive
>>>>>>> actions."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-wil
>>>>>> l-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of
>>>>>> the small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out
>>>>>> the population of the U.S..
>>>>>
>>>>> So,
>>>>>
>>>>> (a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
>>>>> Afghanistan at present?
>>>>>
>>>>> (b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
>>>> This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They
>>>> are requiring half the population to wear masks after all.
>>>> Incidentally, early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to
>>>> come by and even elastic to make them was scarce, I got a
>>>> couple of shemaghs (the real deal, made in Palestine by
>>>> Arabs) and found them comfortable and apparently efficacious
>>>> (I did not as far as I know get COVID, although I did get
>>>> _something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
>>>> me wondering).
>>> The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to
>>> be suspicious of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting
>>> intelligence under this cover). Afghanistan is going to be a
>>> really good example of why we cannot hope to wipe out covid.
>>>
>>> ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from
>>> Falkenberg's Legion
>>>
>>> The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
>>> The orders come down from on high.
>>> It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
>>> We're sending you where you can die.
>>> The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
>>> rather more often than not.
>>>
>>> (Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that
>>> Pournelle got it from any Imperialist model)
>>
>>Jerry Pournelle was a Korean War era veteran of the USA Army.
>>Officer in the Artillery if I remember correctly.
>
> One of these days the President is going to order the Army go
> into some godforsaken place for no good reason and I woulds like
> to see them tell him "Sir, we are not going to go into some
> godforsaken place and kill a bunch of people who have never done
> anything to us only to be told 20 years down the road 'oops'.
> Do you absolutely guarantee that that will not happen this time?
> May we shoot you and your family if that promise is not kept?"
>
You do seem very fond of treason, yes. Very, very fond.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:6900573f-22b5-45cb-ae6c-d9e72fe66b3cn@googlegroups.com:

> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 3:17:13 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke
> wrote:
>
>> One of these days the President is going to order the Army go
>> into some godforsaken place for no good reason and I woulds
>> like to see them tell him "Sir, we are not going to go into
>> some godforsaken place and kill a bunch of people who have
>> never done anything to us only to be told 20 years down the
>> road 'oops'. Do you absolutely guarantee that that will not
>> happen this time? May we shoot you and your family if that
>> promise is not kept?"
>
> I can understand your emotional reaction.
>
> But it is based on a number of false premises.
>
> 1) "A bunch of people who have never done anything to us"
>
> In the case of the Taliban, what they did to America was shield
> Osama bin Laden from justice, and Osama bin Laden certainly
> _did_ do something to you Americans, as I think you still
> remember.

I wouldn't bet that he does, actually.
>
> In the case of Vietnam - and Korea - there _was_ the Cold War.
>
> But the whole idea of "done anything to _us_" is flawed. Done
> anything to *any innocent victim* is the correct standard.
>
> "Verily, I say unto thee: Whatsoever thou doest unto the least
> of My brethren, thou hast done unto Me." - Matthew 25:40
>
> So going to Vietnam to protect the people of Vietnam from
> Communist invasion was a good idea. Subverting South Vietnam's
> democratic government to get a more pliable military regime, or
> My Lai, not so much.
>
> 2) The term of office of the President of the United States of
> America is four years.
>
> As well, the Twenty-Second Amendment to the United States
> Constitution prevents a President from serving more than two
> terms.
>
> However, in any case, I have good news for you.
>
> It will not be necessary for the armed forces of the United
> States to mutiny (hey, why just stop at killing innocent members
> of a President's family? Why not become the government, as in so
> many other banana republics? I mean, what with global warming,
> you might even be able to *grow* bananas in Florida and
> California, where oranges grow now...) to accomplish your end.
>
> The voters of the United States, whose sons (and, to some
> extent, daughters) fight and die on foreign lands are *also*
> losing their patience with this sort of thing.
>
> So I suspect the United States government is going to think long
> and hard before sending troops into some obscure and unfortunate
> corner of the world (but, were there a God, Who loves *all*
> innocent thinking beings, no part of the world would be forsaken
> by Him) in the future.
>
> For the most part, this _is_ a good thing.
>
> However, a retreat by the United States from actively ensuring
> the security of liberty on a global basis has obvious potential
> bad consequences. If you lived in Israel, Taiwan, or South
> Korea, I wouldn't have to explain them to you.
>
And there it is, another sign that Hell is freezing over.

Quaddie is the rational one.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> wrote in
news:p6aohg1rcpqotbi9b61q1a4m6dol1nm882@4ax.com:

> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 13:57:44 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 8/17/2021 1:01 PM, Andrew McDowell wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:51:15 PM UTC+1, J. Clarke
>>> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:22:32 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy
>>>> J Heydt) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <489873c2-c577-4746...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oct 11, 2020
>>>>>>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
>>>>>>> phone interview
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming
>>>>>>> election because he has proved himself a politician who
>>>>>>> accomplished all the major promises he had made to
>>>>>>> American people, although he might have missed some small
>>>>>>> things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is
>>>>>>> possible that the U.S. people who experienced deceptions
>>>>>>> in the past will once again trust Trump for his decisive
>>>>>>> actions."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-wil
>>>>>> l-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of
>>>>>> the small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out
>>>>>> the population of the U.S..
>>>>>
>>>>> So,
>>>>>
>>>>> (a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
>>>>> Afghanistan at present?
>>>>>
>>>>> (b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
>>>> This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They
>>>> are requiring half the population to wear masks after all.
>>>> Incidentally, early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to
>>>> come by and even elastic to make them was scarce, I got a
>>>> couple of shemaghs (the real deal, made in Palestine by
>>>> Arabs) and found them comfortable and apparently efficacious
>>>> (I did not as far as I know get COVID, although I did get
>>>> _something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
>>>> me wondering).
>>> The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to
>>> be suspicious of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting
>>> intelligence under this cover). Afghanistan is going to be a
>>> really good example of why we cannot hope to wipe out covid.
>>>
>>> ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from
>>> Falkenberg's Legion
>>>
>>> The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
>>> The orders come down from on high.
>>> It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
>>> We're sending you where you can die.
>>> The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
>>> rather more often than not.
>>>
>>> (Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that
>>> Pournelle got it from any Imperialist model)
>>
>>Jerry Pournelle was a Korean War era veteran of the USA Army.
>>Officer in the Artillery if I remember correctly.
>
> Yup. And his hearing never recovered.
>
My brother was put into an artillery unit because his hearing was
already damaged on one side when he joined.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On 8/17/2021 5:12 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:p6aohg1rcpqotbi9b61q1a4m6dol1nm882@4ax.com:
>
>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 13:57:44 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 8/17/2021 1:01 PM, Andrew McDowell wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:51:15 PM UTC+1, J. Clarke
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:22:32 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy
>>>>> J Heydt) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <489873c2-c577-4746...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oct 11, 2020
>>>>>>>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
>>>>>>>> phone interview
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming
>>>>>>>> election because he has proved himself a politician who
>>>>>>>> accomplished all the major promises he had made to
>>>>>>>> American people, although he might have missed some small
>>>>>>>> things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is
>>>>>>>> possible that the U.S. people who experienced deceptions
>>>>>>>> in the past will once again trust Trump for his decisive
>>>>>>>> actions."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-wil
>>>>>>> l-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of
>>>>>>> the small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out
>>>>>>> the population of the U.S..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
>>>>>> Afghanistan at present?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
>>>>> This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They
>>>>> are requiring half the population to wear masks after all.
>>>>> Incidentally, early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to
>>>>> come by and even elastic to make them was scarce, I got a
>>>>> couple of shemaghs (the real deal, made in Palestine by
>>>>> Arabs) and found them comfortable and apparently efficacious
>>>>> (I did not as far as I know get COVID, although I did get
>>>>> _something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
>>>>> me wondering).
>>>> The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to
>>>> be suspicious of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting
>>>> intelligence under this cover). Afghanistan is going to be a
>>>> really good example of why we cannot hope to wipe out covid.
>>>>
>>>> ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from
>>>> Falkenberg's Legion
>>>>
>>>> The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
>>>> The orders come down from on high.
>>>> It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
>>>> We're sending you where you can die.
>>>> The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
>>>> rather more often than not.
>>>>
>>>> (Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that
>>>> Pournelle got it from any Imperialist model)
>>>
>>> Jerry Pournelle was a Korean War era veteran of the USA Army.
>>> Officer in the Artillery if I remember correctly.
>>
>> Yup. And his hearing never recovered.
>>
> My brother was put into an artillery unit because his hearing was
> already damaged on one side when he joined.

My former USMC son's MOS was gunner on a 81 mm mortar team. The gunner
does not wear hearing protection on one ear so they can hear the barrel
positioning commands. They do duck down below the top of the barrel to
try to escape the over pressure event as the mortar leaves the barrel.
The worst rounds are the lighting rounds as they have four rocket motors
on them. Yes, he has permanent hearing damage in the right ear. Some
day he will go to the VA and get a pair of hearing aids.

Lynn

On 8/17/2021 4:47 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 12:16:08 PM UTC-6, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>
>> People should hang over how they've handlded this.
>>
>> And that is entirely on the *current* administration.
>
> And yet Trump boasted of how he arranged things so that Joe Biden was unable to choose,
> instead, to continue the fight for another several years...
>
> The Afghan regime told Biden not to evacuate people ahead of time, as it would cause panic.
> So Biden believed that the Afghan forces would continue the fight in the absence of Americans.
>
> This can be blamed on his naivete. Afghan soldiers, unlike U.S. soldiers, have their wives and
> children *living in Afghanistan*. As the Taliban are terrorists themselves...
>
> I remember the fall of Saigon, and Joe Biden is old enough to as well, as he is a bit older than I
> am, or you and Trump wouldn't be able to accuse him of senility.
>
> John Savard

Are you familiar with what Trump did to the rebels in Syria ? Trump
bombed their convoys until they quit running around causing trouble. He
did the same thing to the Syrian government.

Trump told the Taliban that he was going to do the same thing to them if
they did not let people leave in an orderly fashion. Biden is too
senile to have the guts to carry out the pledge.

Lynn

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
news:sfhghj$76l$1@dont-email.me:

> On 8/17/2021 4:47 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 12:16:08 PM UTC-6, Jibini Kula
>> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>>
>>> People should hang over how they've handlded this.
>>>
>>> And that is entirely on the *current* administration.
>>
>> And yet Trump boasted of how he arranged things so that Joe
>> Biden was unable to choose, instead, to continue the fight for
>> another several years...
>>
>> The Afghan regime told Biden not to evacuate people ahead of
>> time, as it would cause panic. So Biden believed that the
>> Afghan forces would continue the fight in the absence of
>> Americans.
>>
>> This can be blamed on his naivete. Afghan soldiers, unlike U.S.
>> soldiers, have their wives and children *living in
>> Afghanistan*. As the Taliban are terrorists themselves...
>>
>> I remember the fall of Saigon, and Joe Biden is old enough to
>> as well, as he is a bit older than I am, or you and Trump
>> wouldn't be able to accuse him of senility.
>>
>> John Savard
>
> Are you familiar with what Trump did to the rebels in Syria ?
> Trump bombed their convoys until they quit running around
> causing trouble. He did the same thing to the Syrian
> government.
>
> Trump told the Taliban that he was going to do the same thing to
> them if they did not let people leave in an orderly fashion.
> Biden is too senile to have the guts to carry out the pledge.
>
And it is entirely plausible that the current administration
*intends* for anyone who cooperated with the Trump administration
to be brutally murdered.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 15:05:16 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 3:17:13 PM UTC-6, J. Clarke wrote:
>
>> One of these days the President is going to order the Army go into
>> some godforsaken place for no good reason and I woulds like to see
>> them tell him "Sir, we are not going to go into some godforsaken place
>> and kill a bunch of people who have never done anything to us only to
>> be told 20 years down the road 'oops'. Do you absolutely guarantee
>> that that will not happen this time? May we shoot you and your family
>> if that promise is not kept?"
>
>I can understand your emotional reaction.
>
>But it is based on a number of false premises.
>
>1) "A bunch of people who have never done anything to us"
>
>In the case of the Taliban, what they did to America was shield Osama bin Laden
>from justice, and Osama bin Laden certainly _did_ do something to you Americans,
>as I think you still remember.

And how many Aghanis who were not the Taliban got killed in that war?

>In the case of Vietnam - and Korea - there _was_ the Cold War.

In Vietnam the French were trying to preserve a colony and couldn't so
somehow the US got sucked into trying to preserve it even though we
didn't want it.

And at the end it was "oops" and the Communists got it anyway. Would
have done my heart good to see the Kennedies and Johnsons lined up
against a wall.

>But the whole idea of "done anything to _us_" is flawed. Done anything to *any
>innocent victim* is the correct standard.

Not our job to solve other countries problems.

>"Verily, I say unto thee: Whatsoever thou doest unto the least of My brethren, thou
>hast done unto Me." - Matthew 25:40
>
>So going to Vietnam to protect the people of Vietnam from Communist invasion
>was a good idea. Subverting South Vietnam's democratic government to get a
>more pliable military regime, or My Lai, not so much.

You mean being in Vietnam to resist the Vietnamese trying to take back
their country from the European colonizers.

>2) The term of office of the President of the United States of America is four years.

So? The one who got us into it is the one who needs to be punished,
not the ones who had to try as best the could to clean up his mess.

>As well, the Twenty-Second Amendment to the United States Constitution prevents
>a President from serving more than two terms.

So what? In an ideal world a President who sends American troops to
bully some tiny little country that doesn't want us there and did not
commit an act of agression against us should not finish the term in
which he did that.

>However, in any case, I have good news for you.
>
>It will not be necessary for the armed forces of the United States to mutiny
>(hey, why just stop at killing innocent members of a President's family? Why
>not become the government, as in so many other banana republics? I mean,
>what with global warming, you might even be able to *grow* bananas in Florida
>and California, where oranges grow now...) to accomplish your end.

He's not the President when they kill the bastard.

>The voters of the United States, whose sons (and, to some extent, daughters)
>fight and die on foreign lands are *also* losing their patience with this sort of
>thing.

But they don't have a means of stopping it.

>So I suspect the United States government is going to think long and hard before
>sending troops into some obscure and unfortunate corner of the world (but, were
>there a God, Who loves *all* innocent thinking beings, no part of the world would be
>forsaken by Him) in the future.

You are assuming that an elected official is capable of thought.

>For the most part, this _is_ a good thing.
>
>However, a retreat by the United States from actively ensuring the security of liberty
>on a global basis has obvious potential bad consequences. If you lived in Israel,
>Taiwan, or South Korea, I wouldn't have to explain them to you.

If the US is the only ally that Israel, Taiwan, and South Korea have
then they deserve whatever happens to them. And if the South Koreans,
with an economy 100 times that of North Korea, can't hammer them to
slag in short order, they've got something wrong with them.

The world got along just fine without the US policing it, and our
style of policing the world is no better than our style of policing
ourselves.

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 18:11:48 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 8/17/2021 5:12 PM, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:p6aohg1rcpqotbi9b61q1a4m6dol1nm882@4ax.com:
>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 13:57:44 -0500, Lynn McGuire
>>> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 8/17/2021 1:01 PM, Andrew McDowell wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 6:51:15 PM UTC+1, J. Clarke
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:22:32 GMT, djh...@kithrup.com (Dorothy
>>>>>> J Heydt) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <489873c2-c577-4746...@googlegroups.com>,
>>>>>>> Quadibloc <jsa...@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 5:32:38 AM UTC-6, Jonathan
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oct 11, 2020
>>>>>>>>> Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid told CBS News in a
>>>>>>>>> phone interview
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "We believe that Trump is going to win the upcoming
>>>>>>>>> election because he has proved himself a politician who
>>>>>>>>> accomplished all the major promises he had made to
>>>>>>>>> American people, although he might have missed some small
>>>>>>>>> things, but did accomplish the bigger promises, so it is
>>>>>>>>> possible that the U.S. people who experienced deceptions
>>>>>>>>> in the past will once again trust Trump for his decisive
>>>>>>>>> actions."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/taliban-on-trump-we-hope-he-wil
>>>>>>>> l-win-the-election-withdraw-us-troops/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Did Trump write the above endorsement for the Taliban?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No doubt the Taliban would have been overjoyed if one of
>>>>>>>> the small things Trump missed - the coronavirus - wiped out
>>>>>>>> the population of the U.S..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (a) What is the incidence of COVID infections/deaths in
>>>>>>> Afghanistan at present?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (b) What's it going to be like six months from now?
>>>>>> This is one area where the Taliban might not be all bad. They
>>>>>> are requiring half the population to wear masks after all.
>>>>>> Incidentally, early in the pandemic, when masks were hard to
>>>>>> come by and even elastic to make them was scarce, I got a
>>>>>> couple of shemaghs (the real deal, made in Palestine by
>>>>>> Arabs) and found them comfortable and apparently efficacious
>>>>>> (I did not as far as I know get COVID, although I did get
>>>>>> _something_ rather nasty right around that time that leaves
>>>>>> me wondering).
>>>>> The Taliban are one of the few groups to have real grounds to
>>>>> be suspicious of vaccination (thanks to the CIA collecting
>>>>> intelligence under this cover). Afghanistan is going to be a
>>>>> really good example of why we cannot hope to wipe out covid.
>>>>>
>>>>> ObSF - the middle of the song of the Line Marines from
>>>>> Falkenberg's Legion
>>>>>
>>>>> The Senate decrees, the Grand Admiral calls,
>>>>> The orders come down from on high.
>>>>> It's 'on full kits' and 'sound board ships',
>>>>> We're sending you where you can die.
>>>>> The lands that we take, the Senate gives back,
>>>>> rather more often than not.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Is that the influence of Vietnam? I can't imagine that
>>>>> Pournelle got it from any Imperialist model)
>>>>
>>>> Jerry Pournelle was a Korean War era veteran of the USA Army.
>>>> Officer in the Artillery if I remember correctly.
>>>
>>> Yup. And his hearing never recovered.
>>>
>> My brother was put into an artillery unit because his hearing was
>> already damaged on one side when he joined.
>
>My former USMC son's MOS was gunner on a 81 mm mortar team. The gunner
>does not wear hearing protection on one ear so they can hear the barrel
>positioning commands. They do duck down below the top of the barrel to
>try to escape the over pressure event as the mortar leaves the barrel.
>The worst rounds are the lighting rounds as they have four rocket motors
>on them. Yes, he has permanent hearing damage in the right ear. Some
>day he will go to the VA and get a pair of hearing aids.

My high school physics teacher was an instructor pilot on B-24s during
WWII. An instructor pilot generally has to have one side of the
headset off to hear things that aren't on the intercom. So she had
major hearing loss in one ear. As a reward for her service the
government pulled her pilot's license.

On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:47:15 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
<jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

>On Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 12:16:08 PM UTC-6, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>
>> People should hang over how they've handlded this.
>>
>> And that is entirely on the *current* administration.
>
>And yet Trump boasted of how he arranged things so that Joe Biden was unable to choose,
>instead, to continue the fight for another several years...

Excuse me, but Trump is not the President, Biden is. And Biden could
have found a justification to repudiate Trump's deal.

>The Afghan regime told Biden not to evacuate people ahead of time, as it would cause panic.
>So Biden believed that the Afghan forces would continue the fight in the absence of Americans.

Which show's he's an idiot, not that I had much doubt on that score.

>This can be blamed on his naivete. Afghan soldiers, unlike U.S. soldiers, have their wives and
>children *living in Afghanistan*. As the Taliban are terrorists themselves...

If the President of the United States, who has been a politician for
nearly half a century, was vice-president for 8 years, and before that
was head of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee for 12 years, is
_that_ naive we need to give up on this "democracy" nonsense.

>I remember the fall of Saigon, and Joe Biden is old enough to as well, as he is a bit older than I
>am, or you and Trump wouldn't be able to accuse him of senility.
>
>John Savard