On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 2:17:43 PM UTC+11, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
> I thought the main character of the Troy series was pretty good. I remember
> him standing in the open arguing Civil War trivia while fully expecting the
> world to end in the next few minutes. It was a nice scene.
>
> Did that series ever finish? It seemed like it kind of just stopped to me.

That's a recurring issue with Ringo
I think there were several series where he found he could make more money by writing the Ghost books

On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 11:45:02 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 10/18/2021 11:30 AM, Ted Nolan <tednolan> wrote:
>> In article <XnsADC760062CA43taustingmail@85.12.62.245>,
>> Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> "peterwezeman@hotmail.com" <peterwezeman@hotmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:1fa51a8c-1ce4-4a85-9bc5-e8a045574a34n@googlegroups.com:
>>>
>>>> And note that there are TWO Oscars for screenwriting: best
>>>> original screenplay and best adapted screenplay, so there is an
>>>> award for adapted screenplay EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
>>>
>>> You've just summed up how Marisa Tomei won Best Supporting Actress
>>> for My Cousin Vinnie.
>>>
>>
>> Huh. I liked her in that myself. Though it would have been nice for
>> Fred Gwynne to have gotten something for his last role.
>
>+1

+2. I really liked her in that role. And Fred Gwynne was
underappreciated IMO.

On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 11:26:28 AM UTC-5, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> "peterw...@hotmail.com" <peterw...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:1fa51a8c-1ce4-4a85...@googlegroups.com:
> > And note that there are TWO Oscars for screenwriting: best
> > original screenplay and best adapted screenplay, so there is an
> > award for adapted screenplay EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
> You've just summed up how Marisa Tomei won Best Supporting Actress
> for My Cousin Vinnie.

My memory is that Marisa Tomei was not considered an A-lister at that time,
and that the part was offered to several more prominent actresses first, all
of whom turned it down. Ms Tomei immediately saw what a great role it was.
I think she may have said sometime that she couldn't understand why the
others hadn't jumped at the part.

Peter Wezeman
anti-social Darwinist

"peterwezeman@hotmail.com" <peterwezeman@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:74cd24ec-dc20-45e9-9fa6-0c41d009cba4n@googlegroups.com:

> On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 11:26:28 AM UTC-5, Jibini Kula
> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> "peterw...@hotmail.com" <peterw...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:1fa51a8c-1ce4-4a85...@googlegroups.com:
>> > And note that there are TWO Oscars for screenwriting: best
>> > original screenplay and best adapted screenplay, so there is
>> > an award for adapted screenplay EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
>> You've just summed up how Marisa Tomei won Best Supporting
>> Actress for My Cousin Vinnie.
>
> My memory is that Marisa Tomei was not considered an A-lister at
> that time,

She wasn't. And the movie wasn't exactly award material.

> and that the part was offered to several more
> prominent actresses first, all of whom turned it down. Ms Tomei
> immediately saw what a great role it was. I think she may have
> said sometime that she couldn't understand why the others
> hadn't jumped at the part.
>
All very true, and she did a *wonderful* job. It wouldn't have been
nearly as good a movie (or, probably, a good movie at all) if any
of the many other actresses the role was offered to had accepted.

But the Oscar was not about that. It was about internal Academy
politics, and a lot of people feeling that *no* movie warranted the
award that year, but they had to give one out anyway, and a protest
against Oscar-bait movies in general (which was what got her
nominated in the first place). It was so out of character for the
award, there were conspiracy theories that Palance had read the
wrong name that persist to this day, despite being thoroughly
debunked by *everyone* involved in tallying and certifying the
votes. Though it's died down a bit since 2017, when we saw whan
actually happens when the presenter announces the wrong winner.

A few more details:

https://tinyurl.com/5dxufrbk

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-
entertainment/wp/2017/02/27/one-unexpected-outcome-of-the-oscars-
best-picture-blunder-vindication-for-marisa-tomei/

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 12:06:17 PM UTC-5, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
> news:it5lok...@mid.individual.net:
> > In article <XnsADC760062CA...@85.12.62.245>,
> > Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>"peterw...@hotmail.com" <peterw...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> >>news:1fa51a8c-1ce4-4a85...@googlegroups.com:
> >>
> >>> And note that there are TWO Oscars for screenwriting: best
> >>> original screenplay and best adapted screenplay, so there is
> >>> an award for adapted screenplay EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
> >>
> >>You've just summed up how Marisa Tomei won Best Supporting
> >>Actress for My Cousin Vinnie.
> >>
> >
> > Huh. I liked her in that myself.
> She was one of the highlights of the movie, but the Oscar was a
> collective comment by the Academy on the pitfalls of giving an award
> whether there was something extraordinary to recognize or not.

I have noticed several times that there has been "no award" in one category or another
of the Hugo Awards. Does the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences
have that option?

> > Though it would have been
> > nice for Fred Gwynne to have gotten something for his last role.
> No arguments there, though a lifetime achievement award seems more
> appropriate. Or a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame, which he
> apparently does not have.
It seems to be generally accepted that George Burns' Academy Award for
supporting actor in _The Sunshine Boys_ was in effect a lifetime achievement
award since it was not a supporting role. As Roger Ebert said,
"It was _The Sunshine Boys_, not _The Sunshine Boy_."

Peter Wezeman
anti-social Darwinist

"peterwezeman@hotmail.com" <peterwezeman@hotmail.com> wrote in
news:3fcb61d8-d602-49ae-bec0-e168932d4d51n@googlegroups.com:

> On Monday, October 18, 2021 at 12:06:17 PM UTC-5, Jibini Kula
> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote in
>> news:it5lok...@mid.individual.net:
>> > In article <XnsADC760062CA...@85.12.62.245>,
>> > Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>"peterw...@hotmail.com" <peterw...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> >>news:1fa51a8c-1ce4-4a85...@googlegroups.com:
>> >>
>> >>> And note that there are TWO Oscars for screenwriting: best
>> >>> original screenplay and best adapted screenplay, so there
>> >>> is an award for adapted screenplay EVERY SINGLE YEAR.
>> >>
>> >>You've just summed up how Marisa Tomei won Best Supporting
>> >>Actress for My Cousin Vinnie.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Huh. I liked her in that myself.
>> She was one of the highlights of the movie, but the Oscar was a
>> collective comment by the Academy on the pitfalls of giving an
>> award whether there was something extraordinary to recognize or
>> not.
>
> I have noticed several times that there has been "no award" in
> one category or another of the Hugo Awards. Does the Academy of
> Motion Picture Arts and Sciences have that option?

I don't believe they do. I'm pretty certain they didn't in 1992.
>
>> > Though it would have been
>> > nice for Fred Gwynne to have gotten something for his last
>> > role.
>> No arguments there, though a lifetime achievement award seems
>> more appropriate. Or a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame,
>> which he apparently does not have.
>
> It seems to be generally accepted that George Burns' Academy
> Award for supporting actor in _The Sunshine Boys_ was in effect
> a lifetime achievement award since it was not a supporting role.
> As Roger Ebert said, "It was _The Sunshine Boys_, not _The
> Sunshine Boy_."
>
I konw they do lifetime achievement awards these days, but there's
always been some controversy over who hasn't gotten one. And I have
no idea how long they've been doing that.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 3:57:28 PM UTC-6, Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
> "peterw...@hotmail.com" <peterw...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> news:3fcb61d8-d602-49ae...@googlegroups.com:

> > I have noticed several times that there has been "no award" in
> > one category or another of the Hugo Awards. Does the Academy of
> > Motion Picture Arts and Sciences have that option?

> I don't believe they do. I'm pretty certain they didn't in 1992.

I'm surprised they didn't and don't. But at least the really important
awards don't run that way. They certainly do have a "no award"
option for the Nobels.

John Savard

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:cefd9696-4ad6-4135-881e-ff2d87f8c14cn@googlegroups.com:

> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 3:57:28 PM UTC-6, Jibini Kula
> Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> "peterw...@hotmail.com" <peterw...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:3fcb61d8-d602-49ae...@googlegroups.com:
>
>> > I have noticed several times that there has been "no award"
>> > in one category or another of the Hugo Awards. Does the
>> > Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences have that option?
>
>> I don't believe they do. I'm pretty certain they didn't in
>> 1992.
>
> I'm surprised they didn't and don't. But at least the really
> important awards don't run that way. They certainly do have a
> "no award" option for the Nobels.
>
Apparently, they have been giving "Honorary Awards" out for many
decades, which amounts to the same thing (though it's apparently
given how to a wider range of recipients than just actors - Eastman
Kodak got one). It's just somewhat rare, and can be contentious (but
mostly for who *doesn't* get one).

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration

"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek

Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 10:44:36 PM UTC-6, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:

> Apparently, they have been giving "Honorary Awards" out for many
> decades, which amounts to the same thing (though it's apparently
> given how to a wider range of recipients than just actors - Eastman
> Kodak got one). It's just somewhat rare, and can be contentious (but
> mostly for who *doesn't* get one).

No doubt Eastman Kodak *deserved* it.

In addition for all the photographic emulsions that made Hollywood
even possible, sitting in the Smithsonian is the mirror for the Hubble that
they didn't use, which had been corrected the right way.

John Savard

Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in
news:258f1615-8c52-4ee7-beb5-e042dccda696n@googlegroups.com:

> On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 10:44:36 PM UTC-6, Ninapenda
> Jibini wrote:
>
>> Apparently, they have been giving "Honorary Awards" out for
>> many decades, which amounts to the same thing (though it's
>> apparently given how to a wider range of recipients than just
>> actors - Eastman Kodak got one). It's just somewhat rare, and
>> can be contentious (but mostly for who *doesn't* get one).
>
> No doubt Eastman Kodak *deserved* it.

I won't agruge the point.
>
> In addition for all the photographic emulsions that made
> Hollywood even possible, sitting in the Smithsonian is the
> mirror for the Hubble that they didn't use, which had been
> corrected the right way.
>
But they no longer have a nuclear reactor in the basement.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 04:44:32 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
<taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:

>> I'm surprised they didn't and don't. But at least the really
>> important awards don't run that way. They certainly do have a
>> "no award" option for the Nobels.

Of course they do. Neither 1914-18 nor 1939-45 were good times for
Nobels

The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca> wrote in
news:1b33ngpoh6gd3eubetsnm8g0hhbuvcic82@4ax.com:

> On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 04:44:32 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
> <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> I'm surprised they didn't and don't. But at least the really
>>> important awards don't run that way. They certainly do have a
>>> "no award" option for the Nobels.
>
> Of course they do. Neither 1914-18 nor 1939-45 were good times for
> Nobels
>
Watch your attributions. I didn't post that. I think it was Quaddie.
You should be punished for attributing anything he spewed out to
anyone else.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 08:55:35 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 04:44:32 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
><taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> I'm surprised they didn't and don't. But at least the really
>>> important awards don't run that way. They certainly do have a
>>> "no award" option for the Nobels.
>
>Of course they do. Neither 1914-18 nor 1939-45 were good times for
>Nobels

Just as well. If they acted true to form they would have given Hitler
the Peace Prize.

On 10/21/2021 12:38 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 08:55:35 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 04:44:32 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
>> <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm surprised they didn't and don't. But at least the really
>>>> important awards don't run that way. They certainly do have a
>>>> "no award" option for the Nobels.
>>
>> Of course they do. Neither 1914-18 nor 1939-45 were good times for
>> Nobels
>
> Just as well. If they acted true to form they would have given Hitler
> the Peace Prize.

The day before he invaded Poland.

Lynn

On Friday, October 22, 2021 at 4:38:56 AM UTC+11, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 08:55:35 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcr...@home.ca>
> wrote:
> >On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 04:44:32 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
> ><taus...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> I'm surprised they didn't and don't. But at least the really
> >>> important awards don't run that way. They certainly do have a
> >>> "no award" option for the Nobels.
> >
> >Of course they do. Neither 1914-18 nor 1939-45 were good times for
> >Nobels
> Just as well. If they acted true to form they would have given Hitler
> the Peace Prize.

Heh. More likely Molotov and Ribbentrop for signing a peace deal.

-Moriarty

Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote in
news:skscei$m8r$2@dont-email.me:

> On 10/21/2021 12:38 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 08:55:35 -0700, The Horny Goat
>> <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 04:44:32 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
>>> <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I'm surprised they didn't and don't. But at least the really
>>>>> important awards don't run that way. They certainly do have
>>>>> a "no award" option for the Nobels.
>>>
>>> Of course they do. Neither 1914-18 nor 1939-45 were good times
>>> for Nobels
>>
>> Just as well. If they acted true to form they would have given
>> Hitler the Peace Prize.
>
> The day before he invaded Poland.
>
Or the day after, his having liberated Poles from the evil,
conspiring Jews.

--
Terry Austin

Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
Lynn:
https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
(May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 13:38:50 -0400, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 08:55:35 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 04:44:32 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
>><taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> I'm surprised they didn't and don't. But at least the really
>>>> important awards don't run that way. They certainly do have a
>>>> "no award" option for the Nobels.
>>
>>Of course they do. Neither 1914-18 nor 1939-45 were good times for
>>Nobels
>
>Just as well. If they acted true to form they would have given Hitler
>the Peace Prize.

Actually I misspoke myself - they did indeed award the Peace Prize
during the war:

1947: Friends Service Council (Quakers)
1946: Emily Balch
1945: Cordell Hull for his role in establishing the UN
1944: International Red Cross
1939-43: no award
1938: Nansen International Office for Refugees

https://www.nobelprize.org/prizes/lists/all-nobel-peace-prizes/

On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 13:44:32 -0500, Lynn McGuire
<lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 10/21/2021 12:38 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 08:55:35 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 04:44:32 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
>>> <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Of course they do. Neither 1914-18 nor 1939-45 were good times for
>>> Nobels
>>
>> Just as well. If they acted true to form they would have given Hitler
>> the Peace Prize.
>
>The day before he invaded Poland.

Time Magazine made Hitler their 1938 Man of the Year and gave it to
Stalin in 1939 and 1942 (on the other hand they pcked Churchill in
1940 and FDR in 1941 with Ike in 1944 and Truman in 1945 so given they
announced they chose their winners for 'newsworthiness' and
specifically disclaimed that goodness and decency entered into their
choices

https://public.opendatasoft.com/explore/dataset/times-person-of-the-year/table/?sort=year

On 2021-10-21 10:55 p.m., The Horny Goat wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 13:44:32 -0500, Lynn McGuire
> <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 10/21/2021 12:38 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 08:55:35 -0700, The Horny Goat <lcraver@home.ca>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 04:44:32 GMT, Ninapenda Jibini
>>>> <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Of course they do. Neither 1914-18 nor 1939-45 were good times for
>>>> Nobels
>>>
>>> Just as well. If they acted true to form they would have given Hitler
>>> the Peace Prize.
>>
>> The day before he invaded Poland.
>
> Time Magazine made Hitler their 1938 Man of the Year and gave it to
> Stalin in 1939 and 1942 (on the other hand they pcked Churchill in
> 1940 and FDR in 1941 with Ike in 1944 and Truman in 1945 so given they
> announced they chose their winners for 'newsworthiness' and
> specifically disclaimed that goodness and decency entered into their
> choices
>
> https://public.opendatasoft.com/explore/dataset/times-person-of-the-year/table/?sort=year
>

Time's Man of the Year issue was clickbait before clicking existed.