On 1/3/2022 12:45 AM, Your Name wrote:
....
> Most silly Americanisations are due to either:
>
> A.  Making up words and definitions to suit themselves, and then
>    trying to enforce that on everyone else,
>    (same as Microsoft deciding to make up HTML "standards" to
>     suit themselves and then trying to force everyone else to
>     use them),
>
> or
>
> B.  Continuing to stubbornly use ye olde English definitions
>    that have long since been out-dated in real *English*.
>
> Either way, the Americanisations are simply incorrect.

Looks like you need to be acquainted with Jame Nicoll.
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/694108-the-problem-with-defending-the-purity-of-the-english-language

"“The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that
English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow
words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways
to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.”

― James D. Nicoll"

Lynn

On 2022-01-04 00:57:14 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:

> On 1/3/2022 12:45 AM, Your Name wrote:
> ...
>> Most silly Americanisations are due to either:
>>
>> A.  Making up words and definitions to suit themselves, and then
>>    trying to enforce that on everyone else,
>>    (same as Microsoft deciding to make up HTML "standards" to
>>     suit themselves and then trying to force everyone else to
>>     use them),
>>
>> or
>>
>> B.  Continuing to stubbornly use ye olde English definitions
>>    that have long since been out-dated in real *English*.
>>
>> Either way, the Americanisations are simply incorrect.
>
> Looks like you need to be acquainted with Jame Nicoll.
>
> https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/694108-the-problem-with-defending-the-purity-of-the-english-language
>
>
> "“The problem with defending the purity of the English language is
> that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just
> borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down
> alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new
> vocabulary.”
>
> ― James D. Nicoll"
>
> Lynn

I never said English was "pure" nor that it didn't use words from
*other* languages. It's not. It separate lanuage that uses a mixture of
words from various other languages.

I said Americans misuse the *English* language with their own spellings
and definitions, and try to enforce those incorrect versions on the
entire *English* speaking world. All that achieves is to simply cause a
confused mess and harder for non-speakers to learn (as if the abundance
of "rule" breaking words wasn't already enough). Even apparently simple
things like dates on magazines and newspapers have slowly been switched
over to the ass-backwards American version, rather than proper English.

If Americans wanted their own language, then they should have actually
made their own, but if they want to use *English* they should adhere to
the way the *English* people define it.

That doesn't mean there aren't localised words (e.g. "dunny" being
Australian for toilet), but they aren't usually very different
definitions or spellings for the same word.

On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 10:19:58 -0800, Robert Woodward
<robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:

> The house that my parents bought when I was 13 had several acres of land
> attached to it which included a rhubarb patch. Mom baked several rhubarb
> pies each summer.

My mom made rhubarb pies, but most of her crop went into "rhubarb
juice", a sort of pink lemonade.

After I grew up, I learned that rhubarb juice is quite tasty and
refreshing without sugar if you make it with raw rhubarb in a blender
instead of boiling it: an inch or two of petiole in a pint of water.

--
Joy Beeson
joy beeson at centurylink dot net
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/

On Fri, 31 Dec 2021 18:37:32 GMT, scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

> It's not like home canning is extinct - I'm currently enjoying
> a nice cherry-plum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prunus_cerasifera)
> jam on my morning english muffin.
>
> Over a 100 jars of cherry-plum jam and grape jelly, all from the
> back yard.

I gave away my canner, but still open-kettle pickles every summer.

Preserves can also be open kettled, but I can no longer eat that much
sugar. Mom would put a chunk of wax in the bottom of each sterile
half-pint jar, then pour in boiling preserves. The wax would melt and
rise to the top, making an air-tight seal.

She stopped doing that after we got a freezer big enough to put a calf
in. She also kept a multi-gallon container of ice cream in the
freezer. We would put the syrup of strawberry preserves on our ice
cream, and eat the berries on bread. (One house guest pigged out when
she learned that she could have all the ice cream she wanted -- but
after a few days, couldn't be bothered to go to the freezer and get
it.)

------------

"preserves", by the way, are whole berries or bite-size chunks of
fruit preserved in a syrup made by drawing juice out with dry sugar.
Mom used equal parts by volume of strawberries and white sugar. I
think. I'm pretty sure my niece has the orignal copy of the recipe.

Jam is crushed fruit, preserved with sugar. There is no syrup. I
never made jam, so I'm fuzzy on the details.

Jelly is gelled fruit juice. The juice doesn't have to be filtered
off clear, and tastes better if you don't.

Commercial jelly is nearly always clear, because the important part is
looking sparkley when unmolded onto a plate, not taste or ability to
spread it on toast. Also, clear juice looks like food color, syrup,
"natural" flavoring, and lots and lots of pectin.

--
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some Northern Indiana, Upstate New York, Florida, and Hawaii
joy beeson at centurylink dot net http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
The above message is a Usenet post.

On 2022-01-04 04:33:56 +0000, Joy Beeson said:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 10:19:58 -0800, Robert Woodward
> <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
>>
>> The house that my parents bought when I was 13 had several acres of land
>> attached to it which included a rhubarb patch. Mom baked several rhubarb
>> pies each summer.
>
> My mom made rhubarb pies, but most of her crop went into "rhubarb
> juice", a sort of pink lemonade.
>
> After I grew up, I learned that rhubarb juice is quite tasty and
> refreshing without sugar if you make it with raw rhubarb in a blender
> instead of boiling it: an inch or two of petiole in a pint of water.

I nearly misread that as "an inch or two of petrol" ... which would
give it an "interesting" flavour. ;-)

In article <sr061b$9lo$1@dont-email.me>,
Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 1/3/2022 12:45 AM, Your Name wrote:
>...
>> Most silly Americanisations are due to either:
>>
>> A.  Making up words and definitions to suit themselves, and then
>>    trying to enforce that on everyone else,
>>    (same as Microsoft deciding to make up HTML "standards" to
>>     suit themselves and then trying to force everyone else to
>>     use them),
>>
>> or
>>
>> B.  Continuing to stubbornly use ye olde English definitions
>>    that have long since been out-dated in real *English*.
>>
>> Either way, the Americanisations are simply incorrect.
>
>Looks like you need to be acquainted with Jame Nicoll.
>
>https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/694108-the-problem-with-defending-the-purity-of-the-english-language
>
>"“The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that
>English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow
>words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways
>to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.”
>
>― James D. Nicoll"

Yeah.

--
Dorothy J. Heydt
Vallejo, California
djheydt at gmail dot com
Www.kithrup.com/~djheydt/

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:
>On 2022-01-04 04:33:56 +0000, Joy Beeson said:
>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 10:19:58 -0800, Robert Woodward
>> <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> The house that my parents bought when I was 13 had several acres of land
>>> attached to it which included a rhubarb patch. Mom baked several rhubarb
>>> pies each summer.
>>
>> My mom made rhubarb pies, but most of her crop went into "rhubarb
>> juice", a sort of pink lemonade.
>>
>> After I grew up, I learned that rhubarb juice is quite tasty and
>> refreshing without sugar if you make it with raw rhubarb in a blender
>> instead of boiling it: an inch or two of petiole in a pint of water.
>
>I nearly misread that as "an inch or two of petrol" ... which would
>give it an "interesting" flavour. ;-)
>

The proper word is Gasoline, not Petrol. If you used the correct
word, your confusion would have been avoided.

:-)

* Your Name:

> On 2022-01-03 05:43:54 +0000, Robert Woodward said:
>> In article <2ro3tgtatsau35heou1s4lk1giol1sm4b0@4ax.com>,
>> Paul S Person <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 1 Jan 2022 19:40:02 -0500, John W Kennedy
>>> <john.w.kennedy@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 12/31/21 9:28 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-01-01 00:40:13 +0000, John W Kennedy said:
>>>>>> On 12/30/21 6:26 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2021-12-30 22:12:58 +0000, John W Kennedy said:
>>>>>>>> On 12/30/21 3:30 PM, Your Name wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2021-12-30 17:39:24 +0000, Dorothy J Heydt said:
>>>>>>>>>> In article <u4qrsg1ofs6t5304674djqlt5m2b5d144e@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>>>>> Paul S Person  <psperson1@ix.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 20:32:35 +1300, Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2021-12-29 18:50:58 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Over The Hedge: Can One Ever Eat Too Much Pie ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.gocomics.com/overthehedge/2021/12/29
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lynn
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greatly depends on what's in the pie.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For example, 'pumpkin pie' is simply digusting so even a tiny bit on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the end of a toothpick is far too much.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> De gustibus non est disputandum.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Surprises in Amazon's efforts to provide canned fruit have
>>>>>>>>>>> exposed me to two fruits I never had when growing up but have heard
>>>>>>>>>>> about: gooseberries and rhubarb.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't like them; I suspect they are an acquired taste.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But bake them into a pie with enough sugar and I suspect they would
>>>>>>>>>>> taste a whole lot better to me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Rhubarb pie (with, yes, sufficient sugar) is delectable.  I have never
>>>>>>>>>> encountered gooseberries.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Usually a rhubarb pie or crumble has some other fruit (e.g. Apple)
>>>>>>>>> mixed in as well to cut done on the amount of sugar needed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The gooseberry has other names too, including "goldenberry" and
>>>>>>>>> "ground berry". Mostly they are used for jam (or "jelly" if you're
>>>>>>>>> a word redefining  American), but can be used in pies too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The use of "jelly"? to designate a clarified fruit-based production,
>>>>>>>> with no use of animal gelatin, is at least as old as the 1855
>>>>>>>> edition of Mrs. Acton's "Modern Cookery", published by Longman.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jam" is a spreadable topping you put on toast or between layers of
>>>>>>> sponge cake. (I would say used on scones, but then that opens up yet
>>>>>>> another rabbit hole of misued American definitions).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Jelly" is a wobbly desert used in trifles, etc., although there are
>>>>>>> also things like mint "jelly" (as oposed to "mint sauce") which goes
>>>>>>> with roast lamb.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Gooseberries can actually be used for both a jam and a jelly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "You're just contradicting everything I say! That's not an argument!"
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm simply telling you the *facts* of the *English* language and the
>>>>> Americanisations that are incorrect in the *English* language.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Still nothing but evidence-free contradiction, backed by what might,
>>>> perhaps, be called a sort of “vocabular creationism”.
>>>
>>> Yes, he does seem awful insistent on defining /British English/ as the
>>> One True English, doesn't he.
>>
>> I wonder if there is regional variation in England on the meanings of
>> jam and jelly? We had to pick up our usage somewhere after all.
>
> Most silly Americanisations are due to either:
>
> A. Making up words and definitions to suit themselves, and then
> trying to enforce that on everyone else,
> (same as Microsoft deciding to make up HTML "standards" to
> suit themselves and then trying to force everyone else to
> use them),
>
> or
>
> B. Continuing to stubbornly use ye olde English definitions
> that have long since been out-dated in real *English*.
>
> Either way, the Americanisations are simply incorrect.

The *English* invented "marmalade", as if it was something different
than jam made from citrus fruits, and in EU times, tried to force that
distinction even upon non-English speaking people.

--
It was frequently the fastest way to find what he was looking
for, provided that he was looking for trouble.
-- L. McMaster Bujold, Gentleman Jole and the Red Queen

Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:

> On 2022-01-04 00:57:14 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
>
>> On 1/3/2022 12:45 AM, Your Name wrote:
>> ...
>>> [...]
>>> Either way, the Americanisations are simply incorrect.
>>
>> Looks like you need to be acquainted with Jame Nicoll.
>> https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/694108-the-problem-with-defending-the-purity-of-the-english-language
>>
>>
>> "“The problem with defending the purity of the English language is
>> that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just
>> borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down
>> alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new
>> vocabulary.�
>>
>> ― James D. Nicoll"
>>
>> Lynn
>
> I never said English was "pure" nor that it didn't use words from
> *other* languages. It's not. It separate lanuage that uses a mixture
> of words from various other languages.
>
> I said Americans misuse the *English* language with their own
> spellings and definitions, and try to enforce those incorrect versions
> on the entire *English* speaking world. All that achieves is to simply
> cause a confused mess and harder for non-speakers to learn (as if the
> abundance of "rule" breaking words wasn't already enough). Even
> apparently simple things like dates on magazines and newspapers have
> slowly been switched over to the ass-backwards American version,
> rather than proper English.
>
> If Americans wanted their own language, then they should have actually
> made their own, but if they want to use *English* they should adhere
> to the way the *English* people define it.
>
> That doesn't mean there aren't localised words (e.g. "dunny" being
> Australian for toilet), but they aren't usually very different
> definitions or spellings for the same word.

Back in the good old days people would spell words how they felt on the
day. Shakespeare wrote his name with a range of spelling. The idea of
standardised spelling took a long while to be established, codified and
accepted. Even then there are differences between cusomary spelling and
dictionary spelling: for example OED prefers civilize but civilise is
common in much of British/Commonwealth spelling.

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now: http://members.iinet.net.au/~sjharker@netspace.net.au/
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On 2022-01-04 14:59:56 +0000, Scott Lurndal said:

> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:
>> On 2022-01-04 04:33:56 +0000, Joy Beeson said:
>>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 10:19:58 -0800, Robert Woodward
>>> <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The house that my parents bought when I was 13 had several acres of land
>>>> attached to it which included a rhubarb patch. Mom baked several rhubarb
>>>> pies each summer.
>>>
>>> My mom made rhubarb pies, but most of her crop went into "rhubarb
>>> juice", a sort of pink lemonade.
>>>
>>> After I grew up, I learned that rhubarb juice is quite tasty and
>>> refreshing without sugar if you make it with raw rhubarb in a blender
>>> instead of boiling it: an inch or two of petiole in a pint of water.
>>
>> I nearly misread that as "an inch or two of petrol" ... which would
>> give it an "interesting" flavour. ;-)
>
> The proper word is Gasoline, not Petrol. If you used the correct
> word, your confusion would have been avoided.
>
> :-)

"Petrol" is the correct *English* word ... "gasoline" is yet another of
those many silly Americanisms.

On 2022-01-04 19:07:37 +0000, Stephen Harker said:
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:
>> On 2022-01-04 00:57:14 +0000, Lynn McGuire said:
>>> On 1/3/2022 12:45 AM, Your Name wrote:
>>> ...
>>>> [...]
>>>> Either way, the Americanisations are simply incorrect.
>>>
>>> Looks like you need to be acquainted with Jame Nicoll.
>>> https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/694108-the-problem-with-defending-the-purity-of-the-english-language
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "“The problem with defending the purity of the English language is
>>> that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just
>>> borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down
>>> alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new
>>> vocabulary.”
>>>
>>> ― James D. Nicoll"
>>>
>>> Lynn
>>
>> I never said English was "pure" nor that it didn't use words from
>> *other* languages. It's not. It separate lanuage that uses a mixture
>> of words from various other languages.
>>
>> I said Americans misuse the *English* language with their own
>> spellings and definitions, and try to enforce those incorrect versions
>> on the entire *English* speaking world. All that achieves is to simply
>> cause a confused mess and harder for non-speakers to learn (as if the
>> abundance of "rule" breaking words wasn't already enough). Even
>> apparently simple things like dates on magazines and newspapers have
>> slowly been switched over to the ass-backwards American version,
>> rather than proper English.
>>
>> If Americans wanted their own language, then they should have actually
>> made their own, but if they want to use *English* they should adhere
>> to the way the *English* people define it.
>>
>> That doesn't mean there aren't localised words (e.g. "dunny" being
>> Australian for toilet), but they aren't usually very different
>> definitions or spellings for the same word.
>
> Back in the good old days people would spell words how they felt on the
> day. Shakespeare wrote his name with a range of spelling.

That's because "Shakespeare" either didn't really exist OR everything
"written" by him was really written by various other people. ;-)

> The idea of standardised spelling took a long while to be established,
> codified and accepted. Even then there are differences between
> cusomary spelling and dictionary spelling: for example OED prefers
> civilize but civilise is common in much of British/Commonwealth
> spelling.

Technically the "z" words were the originals, but these days are more
silly Americanisations. The proper *English* spellings were changed to
now use "s".

Similarly with leaving the "u" out of words like "colour" and "flavour"
also being due to Americans stubbornly sticking to now out-dated ye
olde English (as sniped from the top quote).

On 1/4/22 2:57 PM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2022-01-04 14:59:56 +0000, Scott Lurndal said:
>
>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:
>>> On 2022-01-04 04:33:56 +0000, Joy Beeson said:
>>>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 10:19:58 -0800, Robert Woodward
>>>> <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The house that my parents bought when I was 13 had several acres of
>>>>> land
>>>>> attached to it which included a rhubarb patch. Mom baked several
>>>>> rhubarb
>>>>> pies each summer.
>>>>
>>>> My mom made rhubarb pies, but most of her crop went into "rhubarb
>>>> juice", a sort of pink lemonade.
>>>>
>>>> After I grew up, I learned that rhubarb juice is quite tasty and
>>>> refreshing without sugar if you make it with raw rhubarb in a blender
>>>> instead of boiling it:  an inch or two of petiole in a pint of water.
>>>
>>> I nearly misread that as "an inch or two of petrol" ... which would
>>> give it an "interesting" flavour.  ;-)
>>
>> The proper word is Gasoline, not Petrol.  If you used the correct
>> word, your confusion would have been avoided.
>>
>> :-)
>
> "Petrol" is the correct *English* word ... "gasoline" is yet another of
> those many silly Americanisms.

Actually, “petrol” is French, and “gasoline” is Anglo-Irish (and thirty
years older).

--
John W. Kennedy
Algernon Burbage, Lord Roderick, Father Martin, Bishop Baldwin,
King Pellinore, Captain Bailey, Merlin -- A Kingdom for a Stage!

On 2022-01-04 21:37:56 +0000, John W Kennedy said:
> On 1/4/22 2:57 PM, Your Name wrote:
>> On 2022-01-04 14:59:56 +0000, Scott Lurndal said:
>>> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> writes:
>>>> On 2022-01-04 04:33:56 +0000, Joy Beeson said:
>>>>> On Thu, 30 Dec 2021 10:19:58 -0800, Robert Woodward
>>>>> <robertaw@drizzle.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The house that my parents bought when I was 13 had several acres of land
>>>>>> attached to it which included a rhubarb patch. Mom baked several rhubarb
>>>>>> pies each summer.
>>>>>
>>>>> My mom made rhubarb pies, but most of her crop went into "rhubarb
>>>>> juice", a sort of pink lemonade.
>>>>>
>>>>> After I grew up, I learned that rhubarb juice is quite tasty and
>>>>> refreshing without sugar if you make it with raw rhubarb in a blender
>>>>> instead of boiling it:  an inch or two of petiole in a pint of water.
>>>>
>>>> I nearly misread that as "an inch or two of petrol" ... which would
>>>> give it an "interesting" flavour.  ;-)
>>>
>>> The proper word is Gasoline, not Petrol.  If you used the correct
>>> word, your confusion would have been avoided.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> "Petrol" is the correct *English* word ... "gasoline" is yet another of
>> those many silly Americanisms.
>
> Actually, “petrol” is French, and “gasoline” is Anglo-Irish (and thirty
> years older).

As previously said, it doesn't matetr that a word is older. It's simply
yet another example of Americans stubbornly stick to the old out-dated
word while proper English has moved on.

Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
> Joy Beeson wrote:
>> Dorothy J Heydt wrote:
>>> Lynn McGuire wrote:
>>> >Over The Hedge: Can One Ever Eat Too Much Pie ?
>>> > https://www.gocomics.com/overthehedge/2021/12/29
>>> >
>>> >No.
>>> >
>>> Well, diabetes....
>>
>>And there's fitting through doorways.
>>
> Ernestine Schuman-Heink (1861-1936) was an operatic contralto of
> not inconsiderable mass (although judging by many photographs on
> Wikipedia, she wasn't all *that* huge. One of her common roles
> was the Witch in _Haensel und Gretel_. The tale is told that she
> was scheduled to perform with a large symphony orchestra; the
> size of the orchestra is relevant, because the many players and
> their music stands packed the available space.
>
> So she was trying to get from the wings to the front of the
> stage, and there just wasn't room. The conductor whispered to
> her, "Go sideways, Madame!"
>
> She answered, in her magnificent contralto that filled the entire
> hall, "Mein Gott, es gibt kein Sideways!"

LOL.

Reminds me of _Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep_ (PKD) when bounty
hunter Rick Deckard administers the Voight-Kampff empathy test to opera
singer Luba Luft in order to discern whether she's an android. Deckard
tests Luft in her dressing room where Luft does her level best to stall
and out-think Deckard.

[Deckard] selected his initial question. "You're sitting
watching TV and suddenly you discover a wasp crawling on your
wrist." He checked with his watch, counting the seconds. And
checked, too, with the twin dials.
"What's a wasp?" Luba Luft asked.
"A stinging bug that flies."
"Oh, how strange." Her immense eyes widened with childlike
acceptance, as if he had revealed the cardinal mystery of
creation. "Do they still exist? I've never seen one."
"They died out because of the dust. Don't you really know
what a wasp is? You must have been alive when there were wasps;
that's only been --"
"Tell me the German word."
He tried to think of the German word for wasp but couldn't.
"Your English is perfect," he said angrily.
"My accent," she corrected, "is perfect. It has to be, for
roles, for Purcell and Walton and Vaughn Williams. But my
vocabulary isn't very large." She glanced at him shyly.
"Wespe," he said, remembering the German word.
"Ach yes; eine Wespe." She laughed. "And what was the
question? I forget already."

Eventually Luba Luft holds Deckard at (laser) gunpoint while she phones-
in a sham SF Police Precinct staffed by androids...

... a large harness bull arrived in his archaic blue uniform
with gun and star. ...

Later, when alone with Deckard, the harness bull discloses:

"That girl's quite a looker," Officer Crams said. "Of course,
with that costume you can't tell about her figure. But I'd say
it's damn okay."

###

It recently came to my attention how Perry Rhodan audiobooks only use
abridged versions of Moewig's original stories. It made me curious as to
the commonality of abbreviated audio adaptations. And it turns out
_Electric Sheep_'s audiobook:

https://archive.org/details/DoAndroidsDreamOfElectricSheep

is unabridged.

Danke,

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