> > Coal can be converted into hydrogen, and coal gas.
> But it makes a hell of a lot more sense to convert it into electricity.

No, it does not.
Making electricity at thermal power stations means making coal burn to make steam.
This burning process creates a lot of problems - radioactive output, Sulphur output not to mention CO2.

Coal was turned into coal gas long before electricity was around.

Making coal gas involves passing steam over heated coal, to make carbon monoxide and hydrogen.
When the HTN is around (it will start small from islands and littoral areas, then make deeper inroads
and finally replace or complement the grid) the hydrogen from coal gas can be extracted and put into
the HTN as an ever-available component of the hydrogen economy, useful when the renewables sources
have temporary shortfall.

(htnresearch.com gives details about the HTN.)

The CO component could be burnt to heat the water for the steam.

This way, the polluting aspects of coal can be controlled much more effectively, and that will give
coal an unlimited lease of life, doing thus good for miners and mining companies.

When coal is used to make coal gas, the polluting residue remains contained, does not
get blown out into the air, and can be disposed off efficiently.

Of course this is a new idea, for our time, although the idea of coal gas is ancient.
Old is gold, in this case. Coal gas, hydrogen, airships, etc. must come back.

it is with the certainty that the ruling elites will not always be biased and corrupt, that guides the original
works of

Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all time, sole god among lotsa devils,

who can only hope that Albo will go for the HTN. He has mentioned renewables, he has mentioned
transmission, so he needs to put those two together for a great energy policy worthy of the best
leftist sentiments.

On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 10:30:46 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > > Coal can be converted into hydrogen, and coal gas.
> > But it makes a hell of a lot more sense to convert it into electricity.
>
> No, it does not.
> Making electricity at thermal power stations means making coal burn to make steam.
> This burning process creates a lot of problems - radioactive output, Sulphur output not to mention CO2.
>
> Coal was turned into coal gas long before electricity was around.
>
> Making coal gas involves passing steam over heated coal, to make carbon monoxide and hydrogen.
> When the HTN is around (it will start small from islands and littoral areas, then make deeper inroads
> and finally replace or complement the grid) the hydrogen from coal gas can be extracted and put into
> the HTN as an ever-available component of the hydrogen economy, useful when the renewables sources
> have temporary shortfall.
>
> (htnresearch.com gives details about the HTN.)
>
> The CO component could be burnt to heat the water for the steam.
>
> This way, the polluting aspects of coal can be controlled much more effectively, and that will give
> coal an unlimited lease of life, doing thus good for miners and mining companies.
>
> When coal is used to make coal gas, the polluting residue remains contained, does not
> get blown out into the air, and can be disposed off efficiently.
>
> Of course this is a new idea, for our time, although the idea of coal gas is ancient.
> Old is gold, in this case. Coal gas, hydrogen, airships, etc. must come back.
>
> it is with the certainty that the ruling elites will not always be biased and corrupt, that guides the original
> works of
>
> Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all time, sole god among lotsa devils,
>
> who can only hope that Albo will go for the HTN. He has mentioned renewables, he has mentioned
> transmission, so he needs to put those two together for a great energy policy worthy of the best
> leftist sentiments.

My father and I wrote wrote this paper for an international conference,

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304298146_Load_balancing_system_involving_the_collection_distribution_and_usage_of_energy_using_the_proposed_Hydrogen_Transmission_Network_as_a_complement_or_alternative_to_high_voltage_transmission

On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:09:32 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 17 May 2022 14:09:15 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 07:54:47 -0000, Oliver Closeoff
>> <commonsense@nospam.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:41:20 +1000, Trevor Wilson posted:-
>>>
>>>> **Yep. You know, I felt, for a long time, that Abbott was the worst
>>>> PM this nation has ever had. I am seriously considering a revision of
>>>> that opinion.
>>>
>>> You really need to. Shitlam was by far the worst.
>>
>> Was there really a person called Shitlam?
>>
> Gough Whitlam Labor PM of Australi till the Queen had him sacked.

Liz had nothing to do with it. He failed to get supply.

> <https://go.gale.com/ps/anonymous?id=GALE%7CA373371518&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=10370838&p=LitRC&sw=w>
> https://is.gd/IzhkxL

Just because some fool claims something...

On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:09:32 +1000, Petzl posted:-

> On Tue, 17 May 2022 14:09:15 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 17 May 2022 07:54:47 -0000, Oliver Closeoff
> ><commonsense@nospam.org> wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:41:20 +1000, Trevor Wilson posted:-
> >>
> >>> **Yep. You know, I felt, for a long time, that Abbott was the
> >>> worst PM this nation has ever had. I am seriously considering a
> >>> revision of that opinion.
> >>
> >>You really need to. Shitlam was by far the worst.
> >
> > Was there really a person called Shitlam?
> >
> Gough Whitlam Labor PM of Australi till the Queen had him sacked.
> <https://go.gale.com/ps/anonymous?id=GALE%7CA373371518&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=10370838&p=LitRC&sw=w>
> https://is.gd/IzhkxL

The Queen didn't have him sacked, Pizzle.
> --
>
BTW where has that commie turd who used to post here gone? Back to
Russia to fight in Ukraine?

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Coal can be converted into hydrogen, and coal gas.

>> But it makes a hell of a lot more sense to convert it into electricity.

> No, it does not.

Corse it does, we stopped making coal gas with it decades ago now.

> Making electricity at thermal power stationsmeans making coal burn to
> make steam.

Its burnt to make coal gas, stupid.

> This burning process creates a lot of problems - radioactive output,

Just as true of coal gas.

> Sulphur output not to mention CO2.

Just as true of coal gas.

> Coal was turned into coal gas long before electricity was around.

And then we found lots of natural gas and stopped doing that, even in
India.

> Making coal gas involves passing steam over heated coal, to make carbon
> monoxide and hydrogen.

Makes a lot more sense to generate electricity with it and that's even
India does.

> When the HTN is around

Not gunna happen, you watch.

> (it will start small from islands and littoral areas, then make deeper
> inroads

Not gunna happen, you watch.

> and finally replace or complement the grid) the hydrogen from coal gas
> can be extracted and put into
> the HTN as an ever-available component of the hydrogen economy, useful
> when the renewables sources
> have temporary shortfall.

Not gunna happen, you watch.

> (htnresearch.com gives details about the HTN.)

Just another curry muncher steaming turd.

> The CO component could be burnt to heat the water for the steam.

Makes a lot more sense to use the coal to generate electricity
because it is much cheaper to move the electricity around.

> This way, the polluting aspects of coal can be controlled much more
> effectively, and that will give coal an unlimited lease of life,

More mindless bullshit, it will have to run out sometime.

Makes a lot more sense to build nukes and that's what
everyone is doing and keep the coal for making plastics etc.

> doing thus good for miners and mining companies.

Makes a lot more sense to build nukes and that's what
everyone is doing and keep the coal for making plastics etc.

> When coal is used to make coal gas, the polluting residue remains
> contained, does not
> get blown out into the air, and can be disposed off efficiently.

Makes a lot more sense to build nukes and that's what
everyone is doing and keep the coal for making plastics etc.

> Of course this is a new idea, for our time, although the idea of coal
> gas is ancient.

> Old is gold, in this case.

Bullshit it is. Makes a lot more sense to build nukes and that's what
everyone is doing and keep the coal for making plastics etc.

> Coal gas, hydrogen, airships, etc. must come back.

Taint gunna.

> it is with the certainty that the ruling elites will not always be
> biased and corrupt, that guides the original works of

> Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all time,
> sole god among lotsa devils,

You'll end up completely blind if you don't watch out, curry muncher.

> who can only hope that Albo will go for the HTN.

He isn't that stupid and will keep using coal to generate electricity.

> He has mentioned renewables,

Which doen't include coal gas, fuckwit.

> he has mentioned transmission,

Which is much cheaper to do with electricity, stupid.

> so he needs to put those two together for a great energy policy worthy
> of the best leftist sentiments.

No chance, you watch. The bugger will be history in days, you watch.
>

On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:34:41 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 10:30:46 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>> > > Coal can be converted into hydrogen, and coal gas.
>> > But it makes a hell of a lot more sense to convert it into
>> electricity.
>>
>> No, it does not.
>> Making electricity at thermal power stations means making coal burn to
>> make steam.
>> This burning process creates a lot of problems - radioactive output,
>> Sulphur output not to mention CO2.
>>
>> Coal was turned into coal gas long before electricity was around.
>>
>> Making coal gas involves passing steam over heated coal, to make carbon
>> monoxide and hydrogen.
>> When the HTN is around (it will start small from islands and littoral
>> areas, then make deeper inroads
>> and finally replace or complement the grid) the hydrogen from coal gas
>> can be extracted and put into
>> the HTN as an ever-available component of the hydrogen economy, useful
>> when the renewables sources
>> have temporary shortfall.
>>
>> (htnresearch.com gives details about the HTN.)
>>
>> The CO component could be burnt to heat the water for the steam.
>>
>> This way, the polluting aspects of coal can be controlled much more
>> effectively, and that will give
>> coal an unlimited lease of life, doing thus good for miners and mining
>> companies.
>>
>> When coal is used to make coal gas, the polluting residue remains
>> contained, does not
>> get blown out into the air, and can be disposed off efficiently.
>>
>> Of course this is a new idea, for our time, although the idea of coal
>> gas is ancient.
>> Old is gold, in this case. Coal gas, hydrogen, airships, etc. must come
>> back.
>>
>> it is with the certainty that the ruling elites will not always be
>> biased and corrupt, that guides the original
>> works of
>>
>> Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all
>> time, sole god among lotsa devils,
>>
>> who can only hope that Albo will go for the HTN. He has mentioned
>> renewables, he has mentioned
>> transmission, so he needs to put those two together for a great energy
>> policy worthy of the best
>> leftist sentiments.
>
> My father and I wrote wrote this paper for an international conference,
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304298146_Load_balancing_system_involving_the_collection_distribution_and_usage_of_energy_using_the_proposed_Hydrogen_Transmission_Network_as_a_complement_or_alternative_to_high_voltage_transmission

And it was flushed where it belongs.

On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:47:10 +1000, Oliver Closeoff
<commonsense@nospam.org> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:09:32 +1000, Petzl posted:-
>
>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 14:09:15 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 17 May 2022 07:54:47 -0000, Oliver Closeoff
>> ><commonsense@nospam.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:41:20 +1000, Trevor Wilson posted:-
>> >>
>> >>> **Yep. You know, I felt, for a long time, that Abbott was the
>> >>> worst PM this nation has ever had. I am seriously considering a
>> >>> revision of that opinion.
>> >>
>> >>You really need to. Shitlam was by far the worst.
>> >
>> > Was there really a person called Shitlam?
>> >
>> Gough Whitlam Labor PM of Australi till the Queen had him sacked.
>> <https://go.gale.com/ps/anonymous?id=GALE%7CA373371518&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=10370838&p=LitRC&sw=w>
>> https://is.gd/IzhkxL
>
> The Queen didn't have him sacked, Pizzle.
>> --
>>
> BTW where has that commie turd who used to post here gone? Back to
> Russia to fight in Ukraine?

Nope, the death squad got its orders, just like with the dead fucker.

On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 10:30:46 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > > Coal can be converted into hydrogen, and coal gas.
> > But it makes a hell of a lot more sense to convert it into electricity.
>
> No, it does not.
> Making electricity at thermal power stations means making coal burn to make steam.
> This burning process creates a lot of problems - radioactive output, Sulphur output not to mention CO2.
>
> Coal was turned into coal gas long before electricity was around.
>
> Making coal gas involves passing steam over heated coal, to make carbon monoxide and hydrogen.
> When the HTN is around (it will start small from islands and littoral areas, then make deeper inroads
> and finally replace or complement the grid) the hydrogen from coal gas can be extracted and put into
> the HTN as an ever-available component of the hydrogen economy, useful when the renewables sources
> have temporary shortfall.
>
> (htnresearch.com gives details about the HTN.)
>
> The CO component could be burnt to heat the water for the steam.
>
> This way, the polluting aspects of coal can be controlled much more effectively, and that will give
> coal an unlimited lease of life, doing thus good for miners and mining companies.
>
> When coal is used to make coal gas, the polluting residue remains contained, does not
> get blown out into the air, and can be disposed off efficiently.
>
> Of course this is a new idea, for our time, although the idea of coal gas is ancient.
> Old is gold, in this case. Coal gas, hydrogen, airships, etc. must come back.
>
> it is with the certainty that the ruling elites will not always be biased and corrupt, that guides the original
> works of
>
> Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all time, sole god among lotsa devils,
>
> who can only hope that Albo will go for the HTN. He has mentioned renewables, he has mentioned
> transmission, so he needs to put those two together for a great energy policy worthy of the best
> leftist sentiments.

With hydrogen and fuel cells and supercapacitors, we will have electricity without batteries.
No more stupid Tesla cars.
Hydrogen cars will be far far better.
When hydrogen will be universally available cheaply that is, and will happen when the HTN happens.

On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:09:32 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 17 May 2022 14:09:15 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 17 May 2022 07:54:47 -0000, Oliver Closeoff
>><commonsense@nospam.org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:41:20 +1000, Trevor Wilson posted:-
>>>
>>>> **Yep. You know, I felt, for a long time, that Abbott was the worst
>>>> PM this nation has ever had. I am seriously considering a revision of
>>>> that opinion.
>>>
>>>You really need to. Shitlam was by far the worst.
>>
>> Was there really a person called Shitlam?
>>
>Gough Whitlam Labor PM of Australi till the Queen had him sacked.

OK I was wondering if SHITlam was a Aussie insult.

I read about this event and all I could think was I thought American
politics were fucked up.

><https://go.gale.com/ps/anonymous?id=GALE%7CA373371518&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=10370838&p=LitRC&sw=w>
>https://is.gd/IzhkxL

On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:51:34 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 10:30:46 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>> > > Coal can be converted into hydrogen, and coal gas.
>> > But it makes a hell of a lot more sense to convert it into
>> electricity.
>>
>> No, it does not.
>> Making electricity at thermal power stations means making coal burn to
>> make steam.
>> This burning process creates a lot of problems - radioactive output,
>> Sulphur output not to mention CO2.
>>
>> Coal was turned into coal gas long before electricity was around.
>>
>> Making coal gas involves passing steam over heated coal, to make carbon
>> monoxide and hydrogen.
>> When the HTN is around (it will start small from islands and littoral
>> areas, then make deeper inroads
>> and finally replace or complement the grid) the hydrogen from coal gas
>> can be extracted and put into
>> the HTN as an ever-available component of the hydrogen economy, useful
>> when the renewables sources
>> have temporary shortfall.
>>
>> (htnresearch.com gives details about the HTN.)
>>
>> The CO component could be burnt to heat the water for the steam.
>>
>> This way, the polluting aspects of coal can be controlled much more
>> effectively, and that will give
>> coal an unlimited lease of life, doing thus good for miners and mining
>> companies.
>>
>> When coal is used to make coal gas, the polluting residue remains
>> contained, does not
>> get blown out into the air, and can be disposed off efficiently.
>>
>> Of course this is a new idea, for our time, although the idea of coal
>> gas is ancient.
>> Old is gold, in this case. Coal gas, hydrogen, airships, etc. must come
>> back.
>>
>> it is with the certainty that the ruling elites will not always be
>> biased and corrupt, that guides the original
>> works of
>>
>> Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all
>> time, sole god among lotsa devils,
>>
>> who can only hope that Albo will go for the HTN. He has mentioned
>> renewables, he has mentioned
>> transmission, so he needs to put those two together for a great energy
>> policy worthy of the best
>> leftist sentiments.

> With hydrogen and fuel cells and supercapacitors, we will have
> electricity without batteries.

Just another silly little unviable fantasy.

> No more stupid Tesla cars.
> Hydrogen cars will be far far better.

Another silly little fantasy. A hydrogen cylinder in the car
comprehensively fucks the weight of the car and is nowhere
near as easy to fill as with a petrol or diesel fuelled car.

> When hydrogen will be universally available cheaply that is,

No chance of that given the stupid cost of moving
it to everywhere compared with electricity.

> and will happen when the HTN happens.

That will never happen given the utterly insane cost of it.

On Wed, 18 May 2022 12:55:15 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:09:32 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 14:09:15 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 07:54:47 -0000, Oliver Closeoff
>>> <commonsense@nospam.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:41:20 +1000, Trevor Wilson posted:-
>>>>
>>>>> **Yep. You know, I felt, for a long time, that Abbott was the worst
>>>>> PM this nation has ever had. I am seriously considering a revision of
>>>>> that opinion.
>>>>
>>>> You really need to. Shitlam was by far the worst.
>>>
>>> Was there really a person called Shitlam?
>>>
>> Gough Whitlam Labor PM of Australi till the Queen had him sacked.
>
> OK I was wondering if SHITlam was a Aussie insult.
>
> I read about this event and all I could think was I thought American
> politics were fucked up.
>
>> <https://go.gale.com/ps/anonymous?id=GALE%7CA373371518&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=10370838&p=LitRC&sw=w>
>> https://is.gd/IzhkxL

Just because some fuckwit claims something...

ALL Whitless ever did was recognise china just a little before Nixon did.

On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 13:08:33 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:51:34 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 10:30:46 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >> > > Coal can be converted into hydrogen, and coal gas.
> >> > But it makes a hell of a lot more sense to convert it into
> >> electricity.
> >>
> >> No, it does not.
> >> Making electricity at thermal power stations means making coal burn to
> >> make steam.
> >> This burning process creates a lot of problems - radioactive output,
> >> Sulphur output not to mention CO2.
> >>
> >> Coal was turned into coal gas long before electricity was around.
> >>
> >> Making coal gas involves passing steam over heated coal, to make carbon
> >> monoxide and hydrogen.
> >> When the HTN is around (it will start small from islands and littoral
> >> areas, then make deeper inroads
> >> and finally replace or complement the grid) the hydrogen from coal gas
> >> can be extracted and put into
> >> the HTN as an ever-available component of the hydrogen economy, useful
> >> when the renewables sources
> >> have temporary shortfall.
> >>
> >> (htnresearch.com gives details about the HTN.)
> >>
> >> The CO component could be burnt to heat the water for the steam.
> >>
> >> This way, the polluting aspects of coal can be controlled much more
> >> effectively, and that will give
> >> coal an unlimited lease of life, doing thus good for miners and mining
> >> companies.
> >>
> >> When coal is used to make coal gas, the polluting residue remains
> >> contained, does not
> >> get blown out into the air, and can be disposed off efficiently.
> >>
> >> Of course this is a new idea, for our time, although the idea of coal
> >> gas is ancient.
> >> Old is gold, in this case. Coal gas, hydrogen, airships, etc. must come
> >> back.
> >>
> >> it is with the certainty that the ruling elites will not always be
> >> biased and corrupt, that guides the original
> >> works of
> >>
> >> Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all
> >> time, sole god among lotsa devils,
> >>
> >> who can only hope that Albo will go for the HTN. He has mentioned
> >> renewables, he has mentioned
> >> transmission, so he needs to put those two together for a great energy
> >> policy worthy of the best
> >> leftist sentiments.
>
> > With hydrogen and fuel cells and supercapacitors, we will have
> > electricity without batteries.
> Just another silly little unviable fantasy.
> > No more stupid Tesla cars.
> > Hydrogen cars will be far far better.
> Another silly little fantasy. A hydrogen cylinder in the car
> comprehensively fucks the weight of the car and is nowhere
> near as easy to fill as with a petrol or diesel fuelled car.

Cylinders can be replaced mechanically. Swapped. No problem, can be done automatically.
The range will be as big as the tank!
Electric cars are very efficient, so there will be no waste.
The technology is not a problem.

********************************
It is a question of the bulb lighting in Albo's brain, once he gets elected.
********************************

> > When hydrogen will be universally available cheaply that is,
> No chance of that given the stupid cost of moving
> it to everywhere compared with electricity.

The Hydrogen Transmission Network will solve the problem of transport and storage in one stroke.
htnresearch.com gives details, including the patent application and patent.
Conference paper I presented in Kuwait in 2015:
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304298146_Load_balancing_system_involving_the_collection_distribution_and_usage_of_energy_using_the_proposed_Hydrogen_Transmission_Network_as_a_complement_or_alternative_to_high_voltage_transmission

It is a new idea, so estab. robots like Rod3po dishing out their programmers' silly authoritarian views can have no clue.

> > and will happen when the HTN happens.
> That will never happen given the utterly insane cost of it.

No, only a few billion dollars or so, then it will be self-supporting with the vast amount of revenue coming in
from better land utilisation, industries, constructions, transport creating unlimited jobs feeding many
services.

It will be a multi-trillion dollar money spinner. It will provide unlimited energy everywhere, as green as can be.
With energy everywhere, there will be use of it, from construction to refrigeration to transport.
Oil will be phased out. Great news, that, for everyone even the oil companies if they start to switch to hydrogen
economy using their capital. Oil will be the backup, and remain that way for long.

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 14:31:20 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 13:08:33 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:51:34 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
> > <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 10:30:46 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > >> > > Coal can be converted into hydrogen, and coal gas.
> > >> > But it makes a hell of a lot more sense to convert it into
> > >> electricity.
> > >>
> > >> No, it does not.
> > >> Making electricity at thermal power stations means making coal burn to
> > >> make steam.
> > >> This burning process creates a lot of problems - radioactive output,
> > >> Sulphur output not to mention CO2.
> > >>
> > >> Coal was turned into coal gas long before electricity was around.
> > >>
> > >> Making coal gas involves passing steam over heated coal, to make carbon
> > >> monoxide and hydrogen.
> > >> When the HTN is around (it will start small from islands and littoral
> > >> areas, then make deeper inroads
> > >> and finally replace or complement the grid) the hydrogen from coal gas
> > >> can be extracted and put into
> > >> the HTN as an ever-available component of the hydrogen economy, useful
> > >> when the renewables sources
> > >> have temporary shortfall.
> > >>
> > >> (htnresearch.com gives details about the HTN.)
> > >>
> > >> The CO component could be burnt to heat the water for the steam.
> > >>
> > >> This way, the polluting aspects of coal can be controlled much more
> > >> effectively, and that will give
> > >> coal an unlimited lease of life, doing thus good for miners and mining
> > >> companies.
> > >>
> > >> When coal is used to make coal gas, the polluting residue remains
> > >> contained, does not
> > >> get blown out into the air, and can be disposed off efficiently.
> > >>
> > >> Of course this is a new idea, for our time, although the idea of coal
> > >> gas is ancient.
> > >> Old is gold, in this case. Coal gas, hydrogen, airships, etc. must come
> > >> back.
> > >>
> > >> it is with the certainty that the ruling elites will not always be
> > >> biased and corrupt, that guides the original
> > >> works of
> > >>
> > >> Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all
> > >> time, sole god among lotsa devils,
> > >>
> > >> who can only hope that Albo will go for the HTN. He has mentioned
> > >> renewables, he has mentioned
> > >> transmission, so he needs to put those two together for a great energy
> > >> policy worthy of the best
> > >> leftist sentiments.
> >
> > > With hydrogen and fuel cells and supercapacitors, we will have
> > > electricity without batteries.
> > Just another silly little unviable fantasy.
> > > No more stupid Tesla cars.
> > > Hydrogen cars will be far far better.
> > Another silly little fantasy. A hydrogen cylinder in the car
> > comprehensively fucks the weight of the car and is nowhere
> > near as easy to fill as with a petrol or diesel fuelled car.
> Cylinders can be replaced mechanically. Swapped. No problem, can be done automatically.

This means the driver won't even need to get out of the car.
Just drives to a location, and lets robots do the rest:
Take out the old cylinder, put in the new, calculate and charge the balance.
And all the cylinders used are checked, of course.
Just like gas cylinders for bbq at any service station.

New ideas, will take time to sink in.
But they must be implemented if people are really interested in renewables for cleanliness.

> The range will be as big as the tank!
> Electric cars are very efficient, so there will be no waste.
> The technology is not a problem.
>
> ********************************
> It is a question of the bulb lighting in Albo's brain, once he gets elected.
> ********************************
> > > When hydrogen will be universally available cheaply that is,
> > No chance of that given the stupid cost of moving
> > it to everywhere compared with electricity.
> The Hydrogen Transmission Network will solve the problem of transport and storage in one stroke.
> htnresearch.com gives details, including the patent application and patent.
> Conference paper I presented in Kuwait in 2015:
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304298146_Load_balancing_system_involving_the_collection_distribution_and_usage_of_energy_using_the_proposed_Hydrogen_Transmission_Network_as_a_complement_or_alternative_to_high_voltage_transmission
>
> It is a new idea, so estab. robots like Rod3po dishing out their programmers' silly authoritarian views can have no clue.
> > > and will happen when the HTN happens.
> > That will never happen given the utterly insane cost of it.
> No, only a few billion dollars or so, then it will be self-supporting with the vast amount of revenue coming in
> from better land utilisation, industries, constructions, transport creating unlimited jobs feeding many
> services.
>
> It will be a multi-trillion dollar money spinner. It will provide unlimited energy everywhere, as green as can be.
> With energy everywhere, there will be use of it, from construction to refrigeration to transport.
> Oil will be phased out. Great news, that, for everyone even the oil companies if they start to switch to hydrogen
> economy using their capital. Oil will be the backup, and remain that way for long.
>
> Cheers,
> Arindam Banerjee

On Wed, 18 May 2022 13:13:16 +1000, %% <%%@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 18 May 2022 12:55:15 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:09:32 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 14:09:15 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 07:54:47 -0000, Oliver Closeoff
>>>> <commonsense@nospam.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:41:20 +1000, Trevor Wilson posted:-
>>>>>
>>>>>> **Yep. You know, I felt, for a long time, that Abbott was the worst
>>>>>> PM this nation has ever had. I am seriously considering a revision of
>>>>>> that opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> You really need to. Shitlam was by far the worst.
>>>>
>>>> Was there really a person called Shitlam?
>>>>
>>> Gough Whitlam Labor PM of Australi till the Queen had him sacked.
>>
>> OK I was wondering if SHITlam was a Aussie insult.
>>
>> I read about this event and all I could think was I thought American
>> politics were fucked up.
>>
>>> <https://go.gale.com/ps/anonymous?id=GALE%7CA373371518&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=10370838&p=LitRC&sw=w>
>>> https://is.gd/IzhkxL
>
>Just because some fuckwit claims something...
>
>ALL Whitless ever did was recognise china just a little before Nixon did.
>
Anthony Albanese the present Labor "Leader", has Whitlam as his model
both are communists.
https://tinyurl.com/y5newgoc
--
Petzl
A perfect picture of all that's wrong with lefties -
I'm miserable & someone else is to blame.

If the Left so strongly supports 'diversity'
why do they spend so much time trying to close down
opinions different to their own?

'Diversity' is the new Orwellian doublespeak,
a Leftist propaganda tool to disguise the fact
they are trying to create a more uniform,
homogenous society, in their own image.

Australia will never be destroyed from the outside.
If we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we were destroyed from the rot within

On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 14:40:19 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 14:31:20 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 13:08:33 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> > > On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:51:34 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
> > > <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 10:30:46 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> > > >> > > Coal can be converted into hydrogen, and coal gas.
> > > >> > But it makes a hell of a lot more sense to convert it into
> > > >> electricity.
> > > >>
> > > >> No, it does not.
> > > >> Making electricity at thermal power stations means making coal burn to
> > > >> make steam.
> > > >> This burning process creates a lot of problems - radioactive output,
> > > >> Sulphur output not to mention CO2.
> > > >>
> > > >> Coal was turned into coal gas long before electricity was around.
> > > >>
> > > >> Making coal gas involves passing steam over heated coal, to make carbon
> > > >> monoxide and hydrogen.
> > > >> When the HTN is around (it will start small from islands and littoral
> > > >> areas, then make deeper inroads
> > > >> and finally replace or complement the grid) the hydrogen from coal gas
> > > >> can be extracted and put into
> > > >> the HTN as an ever-available component of the hydrogen economy, useful
> > > >> when the renewables sources
> > > >> have temporary shortfall.
> > > >>
> > > >> (htnresearch.com gives details about the HTN.)
> > > >>
> > > >> The CO component could be burnt to heat the water for the steam.
> > > >>
> > > >> This way, the polluting aspects of coal can be controlled much more
> > > >> effectively, and that will give
> > > >> coal an unlimited lease of life, doing thus good for miners and mining
> > > >> companies.
> > > >>
> > > >> When coal is used to make coal gas, the polluting residue remains
> > > >> contained, does not
> > > >> get blown out into the air, and can be disposed off efficiently.
> > > >>
> > > >> Of course this is a new idea, for our time, although the idea of coal
> > > >> gas is ancient.
> > > >> Old is gold, in this case. Coal gas, hydrogen, airships, etc. must come
> > > >> back.
> > > >>
> > > >> it is with the certainty that the ruling elites will not always be
> > > >> biased and corrupt, that guides the original
> > > >> works of
> > > >>
> > > >> Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all
> > > >> time, sole god among lotsa devils,
> > > >>
> > > >> who can only hope that Albo will go for the HTN. He has mentioned
> > > >> renewables, he has mentioned
> > > >> transmission, so he needs to put those two together for a great energy
> > > >> policy worthy of the best
> > > >> leftist sentiments.
> > >
> > > > With hydrogen and fuel cells and supercapacitors, we will have
> > > > electricity without batteries.
> > > Just another silly little unviable fantasy.
> > > > No more stupid Tesla cars.
> > > > Hydrogen cars will be far far better.
> > > Another silly little fantasy. A hydrogen cylinder in the car
> > > comprehensively fucks the weight of the car and is nowhere
> > > near as easy to fill as with a petrol or diesel fuelled car.
> > Cylinders can be replaced mechanically. Swapped. No problem, can be done automatically.
> This means the driver won't even need to get out of the car.
> Just drives to a location, and lets robots do the rest:
> Take out the old cylinder, put in the new, calculate and charge the balance.
> And all the cylinders used are checked, of course.
> Just like gas cylinders for bbq at any service station.
>
> New ideas, will take time to sink in.
> But they must be implemented if people are really interested in renewables for cleanliness.
> > The range will be as big as the tank!
> > Electric cars are very efficient, so there will be no waste.
> > The technology is not a problem.
> >
> > ********************************
> > It is a question of the bulb lighting in Albo's brain, once he gets elected.
> > ********************************
> > > > When hydrogen will be universally available cheaply that is,
> > > No chance of that given the stupid cost of moving
> > > it to everywhere compared with electricity.
> > The Hydrogen Transmission Network will solve the problem of transport and storage in one stroke.
> > htnresearch.com gives details, including the patent application and patent.
> > Conference paper I presented in Kuwait in 2015:
> > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304298146_Load_balancing_system_involving_the_collection_distribution_and_usage_of_energy_using_the_proposed_Hydrogen_Transmission_Network_as_a_complement_or_alternative_to_high_voltage_transmission
> >
> > It is a new idea, so estab. robots like Rod3po dishing out their programmers' silly authoritarian views can have no clue.
> > > > and will happen when the HTN happens.
> > > That will never happen given the utterly insane cost of it.
> > No, only a few billion dollars or so, then it will be self-supporting with the vast amount of revenue coming in
> > from better land utilisation, industries, constructions, transport creating unlimited jobs feeding many
> > services.
> >
> > It will be a multi-trillion dollar money spinner. It will provide unlimited energy everywhere, as green as can be.
> > With energy everywhere, there will be use of it, from construction to refrigeration to transport.
> > Oil will be phased out. Great news, that, for everyone even the oil companies if they start to switch to hydrogen
> > economy using their capital. Oil will be the backup, and remain that way for long.

Great side effect of the hydrogen economy is the pure water that is got from hydrogen and oxygen.

Much better than the pollution of CO2 and the evil associated with Lithium batteries - their extraction and manufacture and recycling.

My personal boost is for using hydrogen to simply blast out the wastes from the past, in landfills, etc. to extract metals and de-pollute.
That could be a great industry, the clean-up the world process. Lots of jobs, more space from less rubbish.

The guiding philosophy:
Energy is always there, from the Sun and the Earth. We need to use it before it dissipates, and that is done by solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, etc.

The goodness of the HTN is that it is distance-independent, as it is a pressurized system of pipes and buffers to provide 7*24 hydrogen everywhere.
Hydrogen is put in, or taken out, from any source or sink.

Surplus electricity is converted to hydrogen, and put into the HTN.
And hydrogen turned to electricity, using fuel cells, or steam turbines for higher output.

Global warming will be stopped with use of silicon hydrides instead of jet fuel.

> >
> > Cheers,
> > Arindam Banerjee

On Wed, 18 May 2022 14:31:19 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 13:08:33 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:51:34 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 10:30:46 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>> >> > > Coal can be converted into hydrogen, and coal gas.
>> >> > But it makes a hell of a lot more sense to convert it into
>> >> electricity.
>> >>
>> >> No, it does not.
>> >> Making electricity at thermal power stations means making coal burn
>> to
>> >> make steam.
>> >> This burning process creates a lot of problems - radioactive output,
>> >> Sulphur output not to mention CO2.
>> >>
>> >> Coal was turned into coal gas long before electricity was around.
>> >>
>> >> Making coal gas involves passing steam over heated coal, to make
>> carbon
>> >> monoxide and hydrogen.
>> >> When the HTN is around (it will start small from islands and littoral
>> >> areas, then make deeper inroads
>> >> and finally replace or complement the grid) the hydrogen from coal
>> gas
>> >> can be extracted and put into
>> >> the HTN as an ever-available component of the hydrogen economy,
>> useful
>> >> when the renewables sources
>> >> have temporary shortfall.
>> >>
>> >> (htnresearch.com gives details about the HTN.)
>> >>
>> >> The CO component could be burnt to heat the water for the steam.
>> >>
>> >> This way, the polluting aspects of coal can be controlled much more
>> >> effectively, and that will give
>> >> coal an unlimited lease of life, doing thus good for miners and
>> mining
>> >> companies.
>> >>
>> >> When coal is used to make coal gas, the polluting residue remains
>> >> contained, does not
>> >> get blown out into the air, and can be disposed off efficiently.
>> >>
>> >> Of course this is a new idea, for our time, although the idea of coal
>> >> gas is ancient.
>> >> Old is gold, in this case. Coal gas, hydrogen, airships, etc. must
>> come
>> >> back.
>> >>
>> >> it is with the certainty that the ruling elites will not always be
>> >> biased and corrupt, that guides the original
>> >> works of
>> >>
>> >> Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all
>> >> time, sole god among lotsa devils,
>> >>
>> >> who can only hope that Albo will go for the HTN. He has mentioned
>> >> renewables, he has mentioned
>> >> transmission, so he needs to put those two together for a great
>> energy
>> >> policy worthy of the best
>> >> leftist sentiments.
>>
>> > With hydrogen and fuel cells and supercapacitors, we will have
>> > electricity without batteries.
>> Just another silly little unviable fantasy.
>> > No more stupid Tesla cars.
>> > Hydrogen cars will be far far better.

>> Another silly little fantasy. A hydrogen cylinder in the car
>> comprehensively fucks the weight of the car and is nowhere
>> near as easy to fill as with a petrol or diesel fuelled car.

> Cylinders can be replaced mechanically. Swapped.No problem, can be done
> automatically.

Bullshit with the pressures involved.

> The range will be as big as the tank!

Pity about the size and weight of a tank that give you
you the range of a petrol of diesel car.

> Electric cars are very efficient, so there will be no waste.

There is always some waste.

> The technology is not a problem.

Bullshit with distributing the hydrogen everywhere at a
cost anything like it can be done with the electricity grid.

Even a stupid curry muncher should have noticed that
there has to be a hell of a lot more metal and pumps
involved with distributing hydrogen than with electricity.

> ********************************
> It is a question of the bulb lighting in Albo's brain, once he gets
> elected.
> ********************************

Taint gunna happen, even Albo aint that stupid.

>> > When hydrogen will be universally available cheaply that is,

>> No chance of that given the stupid cost of moving
>> it to everywhere compared with electricity.

> The Hydrogen Transmission Network will solve theproblem of transport
> and storage in one stroke.

Bullshit it will at anything even remotely like the
cost of the electricity grid which is already there.

> htnresearch.com gives details, includingthe patent application and
> patent.

Pity about the cost and the fact that the grid is already there.

> Conference paper I presented in Kuwait in 2015:
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304298146_Load_balancing_system_involving_the_collection_distribution_and_usage_of_energy_using_the_proposed_Hydrogen_Transmission_Network_as_a_complement_or_alternative_to_high_voltage_transmission

And everyone just yawned and pointer and made screwing
gestures at their head when you spruiked that useless shit.

> It is a new idea,

A completely impractical one, stupid.

>> > and will happen when the HTN happens.

>> That will never happen given the utterly insane cost of it.

> No,

Fraid so.

> only a few billion dollars or so,

BULLSHIT.

> then it will be self-supporting with the vast amount of revenue coming in
> from better land utilisation, industries, constructions, transport
> creating unlimited jobs feeding many
> services.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> It will be a multi-trillion dollar money spinner.

Bullshit.

> It will provide unlimited energy everywhere,

That is a bare faced lie.

> as green as can be.

Bullshit with all that metal used.

> With energy everywhere, there will be use of it,from construction to
> refrigeration to transport.

We already have that, we call it electricity,
at a MUCH lower distribution network cost.

> Oil will be phased out.

Just another of your pathetic little drug crazed
drunken curry muncher fantasys with aircraft
alone. They aint going nowhere, you watch.

> Great news, that, for everyone even theoil companies if they start to
> switch tohydrogen economy using their capital.

Just another of your pathetic little drug
crazed drunken curry muncher fantasys.

> Oil will be the backup,

Nope, what will continue to be used with aircraft
particularly because there is no viable alternative.

> and remain that way for long.

On Wed, 18 May 2022 14:40:17 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 14:31:20 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 13:08:33 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> > On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:51:34 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>> > <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 10:30:46 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
>> wrote:
>> > >> > > Coal can be converted into hydrogen, and coal gas.
>> > >> > But it makes a hell of a lot more sense to convert it into
>> > >> electricity.
>> > >>
>> > >> No, it does not.
>> > >> Making electricity at thermal power stations means making coal
>> burn to
>> > >> make steam.
>> > >> This burning process creates a lot of problems - radioactive
>> output,
>> > >> Sulphur output not to mention CO2.
>> > >>
>> > >> Coal was turned into coal gas long before electricity was around.
>> > >>
>> > >> Making coal gas involves passing steam over heated coal, to make
>> carbon
>> > >> monoxide and hydrogen.
>> > >> When the HTN is around (it will start small from islands and
>> littoral
>> > >> areas, then make deeper inroads
>> > >> and finally replace or complement the grid) the hydrogen from coal
>> gas
>> > >> can be extracted and put into
>> > >> the HTN as an ever-available component of the hydrogen economy,
>> useful
>> > >> when the renewables sources
>> > >> have temporary shortfall.
>> > >>
>> > >> (htnresearch.com gives details about the HTN.)
>> > >>
>> > >> The CO component could be burnt to heat the water for the steam.
>> > >>
>> > >> This way, the polluting aspects of coal can be controlled much more
>> > >> effectively, and that will give
>> > >> coal an unlimited lease of life, doing thus good for miners and
>> mining
>> > >> companies.
>> > >>
>> > >> When coal is used to make coal gas, the polluting residue remains
>> > >> contained, does not
>> > >> get blown out into the air, and can be disposed off efficiently.
>> > >>
>> > >> Of course this is a new idea, for our time, although the idea of
>> coal
>> > >> gas is ancient.
>> > >> Old is gold, in this case. Coal gas, hydrogen, airships, etc. must
>> come
>> > >> back.
>> > >>
>> > >> it is with the certainty that the ruling elites will not always be
>> > >> biased and corrupt, that guides the original
>> > >> works of
>> > >>
>> > >> Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all
>> > >> time, sole god among lotsa devils,
>> > >>
>> > >> who can only hope that Albo will go for the HTN. He has mentioned
>> > >> renewables, he has mentioned
>> > >> transmission, so he needs to put those two together for a great
>> energy
>> > >> policy worthy of the best
>> > >> leftist sentiments.
>> >
>> > > With hydrogen and fuel cells and supercapacitors, we will have
>> > > electricity without batteries.
>> > Just another silly little unviable fantasy.
>> > > No more stupid Tesla cars.
>> > > Hydrogen cars will be far far better.
>> > Another silly little fantasy. A hydrogen cylinder in the car
>> > comprehensively fucks the weight of the car and is nowhere
>> > near as easy to fill as with a petrol or diesel fuelled car.
>> Cylinders can be replaced mechanically. Swapped. No problem, can be
>> done automatically.
>
> This means the driver won't even need to get out of the car.
> Just drives to a location, and lets robots do the rest:

We don't even do that with EVs, for a reason, stupid.

> Take out the old cylinder, put in the new,calculate and charge the
> balance.
> And all the cylinders used are checked, of course.
> Just like gas cylinders for bbq at any service station.

Those aren't changed by robots even when its the house
supply, stupid.

> New ideas, will take time to sink in.

Hair brained ideas never happen.

> But they must be implemented if people are reallyinterested in
> renewables for cleanliness.

Solar panels make FAR more sense.

And nukes because they use the existing grid, stupid.

>> The range will be as big as the tank!
>> Electric cars are very efficient, so there will be no waste.
>> The technology is not a problem.
>>
>> ********************************
>> It is a question of the bulb lighting in Albo's brain, once he gets
>> elected.
>> ********************************
>> > > When hydrogen will be universally available cheaply that is,
>> > No chance of that given the stupid cost of moving
>> > it to everywhere compared with electricity.
>> The Hydrogen Transmission Network will solve the problem of transport
>> and storage in one stroke.
>> htnresearch.com gives details, including the patent application and
>> patent.
>> Conference paper I presented in Kuwait in 2015:
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304298146_Load_balancing_system_involving_the_collection_distribution_and_usage_of_energy_using_the_proposed_Hydrogen_Transmission_Network_as_a_complement_or_alternative_to_high_voltage_transmission
>>
>> It is a new idea, so estab. robots like Rod3po dishing out their
>> programmers' silly authoritarian views can have no clue.
>> > > and will happen when the HTN happens.
>> > That will never happen given the utterly insane cost of it.
>> No, only a few billion dollars or so, then it will be self-supporting
>> with the vast amount of revenue coming in
>> from better land utilisation, industries, constructions, transport
>> creating unlimited jobs feeding many
>> services.
>>
>> It will be a multi-trillion dollar money spinner. It will provide
>> unlimited energy everywhere, as green as can be.
>> With energy everywhere, there will be use of it, from construction to
>> refrigeration to transport.
>> Oil will be phased out. Great news, that, for everyone even the oil
>> companies if they start to switch to hydrogen
>> economy using their capital. Oil will be the backup, and remain that
>> way for long.

On Wed, 18 May 2022 15:01:37 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 May 2022 13:13:16 +1000, %% <%%@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 18 May 2022 12:55:15 +1000, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:09:32 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 14:09:15 -0700, Mattb <trdell12345@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 07:54:47 -0000, Oliver Closeoff
>>>>> <commonsense@nospam.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 17 May 2022 08:41:20 +1000, Trevor Wilson posted:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Yep. You know, I felt, for a long time, that Abbott was the worst
>>>>>>> PM this nation has ever had. I am seriously considering a revision
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> that opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You really need to. Shitlam was by far the worst.
>>>>>
>>>>> Was there really a person called Shitlam?
>>>>>
>>>> Gough Whitlam Labor PM of Australi till the Queen had him sacked.
>>>
>>> OK I was wondering if SHITlam was a Aussie insult.
>>>
>>> I read about this event and all I could think was I thought American
>>> politics were fucked up.
>>>
>>>> <https://go.gale.com/ps/anonymous?id=GALE%7CA373371518&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=10370838&p=LitRC&sw=w>
>>>> https://is.gd/IzhkxL
>>
>> Just because some fuckwit claims something...
>>
>> ALL Whitless ever did was recognise china just a little before Nixon
>> did.

> Anthony Albanese the present Labor "Leader", has Whitlam as his model

Yes, which is hardly surprising given the pathetic Arfur who preceeded him.

> both are communists.

Bullshit. Whitlam was never a communist, just a lefty.

Albo is even more left and never had a real job, unlike Whitlam.

> https://tinyurl.com/y5newgoc

Doesnt say that either were communists and even it it did, it would be
wrong.

On Wed, 18 May 2022 15:11:16 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 14:40:19 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>> On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 14:31:20 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 13:08:33 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> > > On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:51:34 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>> > > <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 10:30:46 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
>> wrote:
>> > > >> > > Coal can be converted into hydrogen, and coal gas.
>> > > >> > But it makes a hell of a lot more sense to convert it into
>> > > >> electricity.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> No, it does not.
>> > > >> Making electricity at thermal power stations means making coal
>> burn to
>> > > >> make steam.
>> > > >> This burning process creates a lot of problems - radioactive
>> output,
>> > > >> Sulphur output not to mention CO2.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Coal was turned into coal gas long before electricity was around.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Making coal gas involves passing steam over heated coal, to make
>> carbon
>> > > >> monoxide and hydrogen.
>> > > >> When the HTN is around (it will start small from islands and
>> littoral
>> > > >> areas, then make deeper inroads
>> > > >> and finally replace or complement the grid) the hydrogen from
>> coal gas
>> > > >> can be extracted and put into
>> > > >> the HTN as an ever-available component of the hydrogen economy,
>> useful
>> > > >> when the renewables sources
>> > > >> have temporary shortfall.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> (htnresearch.com gives details about the HTN.)
>> > > >>
>> > > >> The CO component could be burnt to heat the water for the steam.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> This way, the polluting aspects of coal can be controlled much
>> more
>> > > >> effectively, and that will give
>> > > >> coal an unlimited lease of life, doing thus good for miners and
>> mining
>> > > >> companies.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> When coal is used to make coal gas, the polluting residue remains
>> > > >> contained, does not
>> > > >> get blown out into the air, and can be disposed off efficiently.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Of course this is a new idea, for our time, although the idea of
>> coal
>> > > >> gas is ancient.
>> > > >> Old is gold, in this case. Coal gas, hydrogen, airships, etc.
>> must come
>> > > >> back.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> it is with the certainty that the ruling elites will not always
>> be
>> > > >> biased and corrupt, that guides the original
>> > > >> works of
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of
>> all
>> > > >> time, sole god among lotsa devils,
>> > > >>
>> > > >> who can only hope that Albo will go for the HTN. He has mentioned
>> > > >> renewables, he has mentioned
>> > > >> transmission, so he needs to put those two together for a great
>> energy
>> > > >> policy worthy of the best
>> > > >> leftist sentiments.
>> > >
>> > > > With hydrogen and fuel cells and supercapacitors, we will have
>> > > > electricity without batteries.
>> > > Just another silly little unviable fantasy.
>> > > > No more stupid Tesla cars.
>> > > > Hydrogen cars will be far far better.
>> > > Another silly little fantasy. A hydrogen cylinder in the car
>> > > comprehensively fucks the weight of the car and is nowhere
>> > > near as easy to fill as with a petrol or diesel fuelled car.
>> > Cylinders can be replaced mechanically. Swapped. No problem, can be
>> done automatically.
>> This means the driver won't even need to get out of the car.
>> Just drives to a location, and lets robots do the rest:
>> Take out the old cylinder, put in the new, calculate and charge the
>> balance.
>> And all the cylinders used are checked, of course.
>> Just like gas cylinders for bbq at any service station.
>>
>> New ideas, will take time to sink in.
>> But they must be implemented if people are really interested in
>> renewables for cleanliness.
>> > The range will be as big as the tank!
>> > Electric cars are very efficient, so there will be no waste.
>> > The technology is not a problem.
>> >
>> > ********************************
>> > It is a question of the bulb lighting in Albo's brain, once he gets
>> elected.
>> > ********************************
>> > > > When hydrogen will be universally available cheaply that is,
>> > > No chance of that given the stupid cost of moving
>> > > it to everywhere compared with electricity.
>> > The Hydrogen Transmission Network will solve the problem of transport
>> and storage in one stroke.
>> > htnresearch.com gives details, including the patent application and
>> patent.
>> > Conference paper I presented in Kuwait in 2015:
>> >
>> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304298146_Load_balancing_system_involving_the_collection_distribution_and_usage_of_energy_using_the_proposed_Hydrogen_Transmission_Network_as_a_complement_or_alternative_to_high_voltage_transmission
>> >
>> > It is a new idea, so estab. robots like Rod3po dishing out their
>> programmers' silly authoritarian views can have no clue.
>> > > > and will happen when the HTN happens.
>> > > That will never happen given the utterly insane cost of it.
>> > No, only a few billion dollars or so, then it will be self-supporting
>> with the vast amount of revenue coming in
>> > from better land utilisation, industries, constructions, transport
>> creating unlimited jobs feeding many
>> > services.
>> >
>> > It will be a multi-trillion dollar money spinner. It will provide
>> unlimited energy everywhere, as green as can be.
>> > With energy everywhere, there will be use of it, from construction to
>> refrigeration to transport.
>> > Oil will be phased out. Great news, that, for everyone even the oil
>> companies if they start to switch to hydrogen
>> > economy using their capital. Oil will be the backup, and remain that
>> way for long.
>
> Great side effect of the hydrogen economy is the pure water that is got
> from hydrogen and oxygen.

It is in fact nothing even remotely pure given that it is burnt in air,
not pure oxygen.

> Much better than the pollution of CO2

Pity that's what plants, animals and even curry munchers produce, fool.

In spades when you stupid curry munchers
burn your corpses and toss the half burnt
bodys into the river.

> and the evil associated with Lithium batteries -their extraction and
> manufacture and recycling.

Tad more practical with phones, laptops, tools etc than
a fucking great hydrogen cylinder and fuel cell, fool.

> My personal boost is for using hydrogen to simply blast out the wastes
> from the past, in landfills, etc. to extract metals and de-pollute.

Makes a lot more sense to use a digger, stupid.

> That could be a great industry, the clean-up the worldprocess. Lots of
> jobs, more space from less rubbish.

Yet another utterly stupid insanity.

> The guiding philosophy:
> Energy is always there, from the Sun and the Earth.We need to use it
> before it dissipates,

Nope, dope. Makes a lot more sense to use nukes
for all but a transport fuel and use the energy from
nukes to make transport fuels once there isn't
enough oil, coal and gas that is economic to extract.

> and that is done by solar, wind, tidal, geothermal, etc.

Only by fools with all except solar.

> The goodness of the HTN is that it is distance-independent,

Bullshit it is.

> as it is a pressurized system of pipes andbuffers to provide 7*24
> hydrogen everywhere.

Fran wrote:
> On 16/05/2022 8:31 pm, Ozix wrote:
>> After promising to subsidise home loans, and lower fuel excise
>> forever, how much will this cost? From a man who keeps banging on
>> about a huge deficit.
>
>
> :-))  I won't cost him a penny.  None of his 'commitments' will cost
> anything.  He's not going to have any power to deliver anything.

And next trick, promising free uni education and wipe out HECS debt.
How many educated person are going to vote for Fatty McFuckhead?

On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 15:26:01 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2022 14:31:19 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 13:08:33 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> >> On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:51:34 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 10:30:46 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >> >> > > Coal can be converted into hydrogen, and coal gas.
> >> >> > But it makes a hell of a lot more sense to convert it into
> >> >> electricity.
> >> >>
> >> >> No, it does not.
> >> >> Making electricity at thermal power stations means making coal burn
> >> to
> >> >> make steam.
> >> >> This burning process creates a lot of problems - radioactive output,
> >> >> Sulphur output not to mention CO2.
> >> >>
> >> >> Coal was turned into coal gas long before electricity was around.
> >> >>
> >> >> Making coal gas involves passing steam over heated coal, to make
> >> carbon
> >> >> monoxide and hydrogen.
> >> >> When the HTN is around (it will start small from islands and littoral
> >> >> areas, then make deeper inroads
> >> >> and finally replace or complement the grid) the hydrogen from coal
> >> gas
> >> >> can be extracted and put into
> >> >> the HTN as an ever-available component of the hydrogen economy,
> >> useful
> >> >> when the renewables sources
> >> >> have temporary shortfall.
> >> >>
> >> >> (htnresearch.com gives details about the HTN.)
> >> >>
> >> >> The CO component could be burnt to heat the water for the steam.
> >> >>
> >> >> This way, the polluting aspects of coal can be controlled much more
> >> >> effectively, and that will give
> >> >> coal an unlimited lease of life, doing thus good for miners and
> >> mining
> >> >> companies.
> >> >>
> >> >> When coal is used to make coal gas, the polluting residue remains
> >> >> contained, does not
> >> >> get blown out into the air, and can be disposed off efficiently.
> >> >>
> >> >> Of course this is a new idea, for our time, although the idea of coal
> >> >> gas is ancient.
> >> >> Old is gold, in this case. Coal gas, hydrogen, airships, etc. must
> >> come
> >> >> back.
> >> >>
> >> >> it is with the certainty that the ruling elites will not always be
> >> >> biased and corrupt, that guides the original
> >> >> works of
> >> >>
> >> >> Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all
> >> >> time, sole god among lotsa devils,
> >> >>
> >> >> who can only hope that Albo will go for the HTN. He has mentioned
> >> >> renewables, he has mentioned
> >> >> transmission, so he needs to put those two together for a great
> >> energy
> >> >> policy worthy of the best
> >> >> leftist sentiments.
> >>
> >> > With hydrogen and fuel cells and supercapacitors, we will have
> >> > electricity without batteries.
> >> Just another silly little unviable fantasy.
> >> > No more stupid Tesla cars.
> >> > Hydrogen cars will be far far better.
>
> >> Another silly little fantasy. A hydrogen cylinder in the car
> >> comprehensively fucks the weight of the car and is nowhere
> >> near as easy to fill as with a petrol or diesel fuelled car.
> > Cylinders can be replaced mechanically. Swapped.No problem, can be done
> > automatically.
>
> Bullshit with the pressures involved.

Rod3po tries to abort practical engineering possibilities, quite the robotic thing to do to keep the status quo.
Pressures have nothing to do when hydrogen is contained safely.
It is a matter of connection.
Robotic hands to unscrew, pull out the old cylinder, put in the new one, connect the valves to the fuel cells, and screw back.
Of course it will take billions to develop, but we do throw around trillions on stupid wars. Maybe good sense will dawn somewhere sometime. Not likely in Australia, but catch up happens here.

> > The range will be as big as the tank!
> Pity about the size and weight of a tank that give you
> you the range of a petrol of diesel car.

It will be as big as needed. Hydrogen fuel cell cars are around, there are no problems save the availability of hydrogen. GM, Toyota have all the technology. The HTN is badly needed.

> > Electric cars are very efficient, so there will be no waste.
> There is always some waste.
Much less, it is simply idiomatic when I said there will be no waste.
(Robots cannot understand idiom.)
Since the hydrogen car is at least twice as efficient, it needs half the fuel for the same range, meaning the tank size is comparable. With present cars.
> > The technology is not a problem.
> Bullshit with distributing the hydrogen everywhere at a
> cost anything like it can be done with the electricity grid.

Stupid to talk of a kind of cost when plenty of other costs are not considered.
Hydrogen is not just cheap, it is free as water contains hydrogen.
Then the renewables are free.
The HTN is very rugged, very flexible with organic growth.
Once on, it will last for ages.
Hydrogen piping has been around for many decades.
It has to take off in a big way, with the need for hydrogen to be universal.
>
> Even a stupid curry muncher should have noticed that
> there has to be a hell of a lot more metal and pumps
> involved with distributing hydrogen than with electricity.

No, fool. I mean, not so, robotic fool
Research papers show that piping energy with hydrogen is about as expensive as doing that by high voltage transmisdion..
This subject has been studied for decades.
The oil companies are dead against it, so oil company robots like this Rod3po are used to stop the growth of hydrogen economy.
The lossless HTN will be much cheaper and more productive and reliable in the long run.
It will be designed to not leak.

> > ********************************
> > It is a question of the bulb lighting in Albo's brain, once he gets
> > elected.
> > ********************************
> Taint gunna happen, even Albo aint that stupid.

He may not be that clever, true.
If he was a bit clever, he could start a large pilot project on an island and done the costing on an overall basis.

> >> > When hydrogen will be universally available cheaply that is,
>
> >> No chance of that given the stupid cost of moving
> >> it to everywhere compared with electricity.
> > The Hydrogen Transmission Network will solve theproblem of transport
> > and storage in one stroke.
> Bullshit it will at anything even remotely like the
> cost of the electricity grid which is already there.

Robotic fool cannot understand the point about HTN solving the storage and transport issues related to hydrogen. Bleats about cost. The HT N will start in areas where there is no grid. Like islands, littoral areas. Once it is established and a great success, it will take off like aeroplanes, computers and mobiles. It will coexist with the grid, taking surplus power from it, and giving it power. All to do with load balancing to begin with, then extending its reach to out the battery cars and the oil cars. All hydrogen, in about 200 years.
>
> > htnresearch.com gives details, includingthe patent application and
> > patent.
>
> Pity about the cost and the fact that the grid is already there.

The grid is not already there where it is not there.
Robotic fool, the HTN will complement the grid before replacing that ugly, lossy, unreliable thing.
It is a matter of recreating the existing gas network this time making better pipes that can carry hydrogen. They already exist.

> > Conference paper I presented in Kuwait in 2015:
> > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304298146_Load_balancing_system_involving_the_collection_distribution_and_usage_of_energy_using_the_proposed_Hydrogen_Transmission_Network_as_a_complement_or_alternative_to_high_voltage_transmission
> And everyone just yawned and pointer and made screwing
> gestures at their head when you spruiked that useless shit.

No, robotic creeps like you were absent.
I chaired the session and my paper was well regarded and appreciated.
The audience were mainly Arabic, and they listened with interest.
They were not racists like you, see. So they heard me out instead of making such silly objections as you do.

On Wed, 18 May 2022 18:51:03 +0800, Ozix posted:-

> Fran wrote:
> > On 16/05/2022 8:31 pm, Ozix wrote:
> >> After promising to subsidise home loans, and lower fuel excise
> >> forever, how much will this cost? From a man who keeps banging on
> >> about a huge deficit.
> >
> >
> > :-))  I won't cost him a penny.  None of his 'commitments' will
> > cost anything.  He's not going to have any power to deliver
> > anything.
>
> And next trick, promising free uni education and wipe out HECS debt.
> How many educated person are going to vote for Fatty McFuckhead?

That idiot Brandt wants to wipe out HECS as well.

On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 15:29:58 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2022 14:40:17 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 14:31:20 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 13:08:33 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> >> > On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:51:34 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
> >> > <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 10:30:46 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
> >> wrote:
> >> > >> > > Coal can be converted into hydrogen, and coal gas.
> >> > >> > But it makes a hell of a lot more sense to convert it into
> >> > >> electricity.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> No, it does not.
> >> > >> Making electricity at thermal power stations means making coal
> >> burn to
> >> > >> make steam.
> >> > >> This burning process creates a lot of problems - radioactive
> >> output,
> >> > >> Sulphur output not to mention CO2.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Coal was turned into coal gas long before electricity was around.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Making coal gas involves passing steam over heated coal, to make
> >> carbon
> >> > >> monoxide and hydrogen.
> >> > >> When the HTN is around (it will start small from islands and
> >> littoral
> >> > >> areas, then make deeper inroads
> >> > >> and finally replace or complement the grid) the hydrogen from coal
> >> gas
> >> > >> can be extracted and put into
> >> > >> the HTN as an ever-available component of the hydrogen economy,
> >> useful
> >> > >> when the renewables sources
> >> > >> have temporary shortfall.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> (htnresearch.com gives details about the HTN.)
> >> > >>
> >> > >> The CO component could be burnt to heat the water for the steam.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> This way, the polluting aspects of coal can be controlled much more
> >> > >> effectively, and that will give
> >> > >> coal an unlimited lease of life, doing thus good for miners and
> >> mining
> >> > >> companies.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> When coal is used to make coal gas, the polluting residue remains
> >> > >> contained, does not
> >> > >> get blown out into the air, and can be disposed off efficiently.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Of course this is a new idea, for our time, although the idea of
> >> coal
> >> > >> gas is ancient.
> >> > >> Old is gold, in this case. Coal gas, hydrogen, airships, etc. must
> >> come
> >> > >> back.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> it is with the certainty that the ruling elites will not always be
> >> > >> biased and corrupt, that guides the original
> >> > >> works of
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all
> >> > >> time, sole god among lotsa devils,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> who can only hope that Albo will go for the HTN. He has mentioned
> >> > >> renewables, he has mentioned
> >> > >> transmission, so he needs to put those two together for a great
> >> energy
> >> > >> policy worthy of the best
> >> > >> leftist sentiments.
> >> >
> >> > > With hydrogen and fuel cells and supercapacitors, we will have
> >> > > electricity without batteries.
> >> > Just another silly little unviable fantasy.
> >> > > No more stupid Tesla cars.
> >> > > Hydrogen cars will be far far better.
> >> > Another silly little fantasy. A hydrogen cylinder in the car
> >> > comprehensively fucks the weight of the car and is nowhere
> >> > near as easy to fill as with a petrol or diesel fuelled car.

No, robotic fool. Hydrogen cars have been around for several years. There are no problems except availability of hydrogen. And HTN will fix that.

> >> Cylinders can be replaced mechanically. Swapped. No problem, can be
> >> done automatically.
> >
> > This means the driver won't even need to get out of the car.
> > Just drives to a location, and lets robots do the rest:
> We don't even do that with EVs, for a reason, stupid.

EVs on batteries alone must be banned.
Investment must be made about replacing H cylinders automatically.
That is what reaearch should be for.
For doing good, not evil.
If they can join things up in space, they can do it on Earth.
Only too simple.

>
> > Take out the old cylinder, put in the new,calculate and charge the
> > balance.
> > And all the cylinders used are checked, of course.
> > Just like gas cylinders for bbq at any service station.
> Those aren't changed by robots even when its the house
> supply, stupid.

Silly robot Rod3po. Can't digest input.
> > New ideas, will take time to sink in.
> Hair brained ideas never happen.

Ever single really great idea has been laughed at by robotic fools programmed to maintain the status quo. Rod3po continues the tradition.
Fortunately, online rebuttal is swift and crushing. It is a pleasure to expose the silly dumbfucks

> > But they must be implemented if people are reallyinterested in
> > renewables for cleanliness.
> Solar panels make FAR more sense.

Yes, solar panels make sense and that in conjunction with the HTN,. Lots of solar farms will make surplus electricity locally. That surplus will be converted to hydrogen, and piped around in the HTN. Ditto for wind farms, nuclear plants, geo, etc. instead of putting it into the lossy grid, it goes to the lossless and thus distance-independent and rugged HTN.
See if you can get this.
>
> And nukes because they use the existing grid, stupid.

Robotic fool, with the HTN they can make nukes in far away places where there is no grid and use that energy to create hydrogen and oxygen from water.
They can make nukes in deserts and arctic areas, and pipe the energy locally.
Very rugged construction, most reliable.
> >> The range will be as big as the tank!
> >> Electric cars are very efficient, so there will be no waste.
> >> The technology is not a problem.
> >>
> >> ********************************
> >> It is a question of the bulb lighting in Albo's brain, once he gets
> >> elected.
> >> ********************************
> >> > > When hydrogen will be universally available cheaply that is,
> >> > No chance of that given the stupid cost of moving
> >> > it to everywhere compared with electricity.
> >> The Hydrogen Transmission Network will solve the problem of transport
> >> and storage in one stroke.
> >> htnresearch.com gives details, including the patent application and
> >> patent.
> >> Conference paper I presented in Kuwait in 2015:
> >> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304298146_Load_balancing_system_involving_the_collection_distribution_and_usage_of_energy_using_the_proposed_Hydrogen_Transmission_Network_as_a_complement_or_alternative_to_high_voltage_transmission
> >>
> >> It is a new idea, so estab. robots like Rod3po dishing out their
> >> programmers' silly authoritarian views can have no clue.
> >> > > and will happen when the HTN happens.
> >> > That will never happen given the utterly insane cost of it.
> >> No, only a few billion dollars or so, then it will be self-supporting
> >> with the vast amount of revenue coming in
> >> from better land utilisation, industries, constructions, transport
> >> creating unlimited jobs feeding many
> >> services.
> >>
> >> It will be a multi-trillion dollar money spinner. It will provide
> >> unlimited energy everywhere, as green as can be.
> >> With energy everywhere, there will be use of it, from construction to
> >> refrigeration to transport.
> >> Oil will be phased out. Great news, that, for everyone even the oil
> >> companies if they start to switch to hydrogen
> >> economy using their capital. Oil will be the backup, and remain that
> >> way for long.

On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 16:11:36 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Wed, 18 May 2022 15:11:16 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 14:40:19 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 14:31:20 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 13:08:33 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> >> > > On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:51:34 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
> >> > > <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 10:30:46 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
> >> wrote:
> >> > > >> > > Coal can be converted into hydrogen, and coal gas.
> >> > > >> > But it makes a hell of a lot more sense to convert it into
> >> > > >> electricity.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> No, it does not.
> >> > > >> Making electricity at thermal power stations means making coal
> >> burn to
> >> > > >> make steam.
> >> > > >> This burning process creates a lot of problems - radioactive
> >> output,
> >> > > >> Sulphur output not to mention CO2.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Coal was turned into coal gas long before electricity was around.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Making coal gas involves passing steam over heated coal, to make
> >> carbon
> >> > > >> monoxide and hydrogen.
> >> > > >> When the HTN is around (it will start small from islands and
> >> littoral
> >> > > >> areas, then make deeper inroads
> >> > > >> and finally replace or complement the grid) the hydrogen from
> >> coal gas
> >> > > >> can be extracted and put into
> >> > > >> the HTN as an ever-available component of the hydrogen economy,
> >> useful
> >> > > >> when the renewables sources
> >> > > >> have temporary shortfall.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> (htnresearch.com gives details about the HTN.)
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> The CO component could be burnt to heat the water for the steam.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> This way, the polluting aspects of coal can be controlled much
> >> more
> >> > > >> effectively, and that will give
> >> > > >> coal an unlimited lease of life, doing thus good for miners and
> >> mining
> >> > > >> companies.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> When coal is used to make coal gas, the polluting residue remains
> >> > > >> contained, does not
> >> > > >> get blown out into the air, and can be disposed off efficiently.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Of course this is a new idea, for our time, although the idea of
> >> coal
> >> > > >> gas is ancient.
> >> > > >> Old is gold, in this case. Coal gas, hydrogen, airships, etc.
> >> must come
> >> > > >> back.
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> it is with the certainty that the ruling elites will not always
> >> be
> >> > > >> biased and corrupt, that guides the original
> >> > > >> works of
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of
> >> all
> >> > > >> time, sole god among lotsa devils,
> >> > > >>
> >> > > >> who can only hope that Albo will go for the HTN. He has mentioned
> >> > > >> renewables, he has mentioned
> >> > > >> transmission, so he needs to put those two together for a great
> >> energy
> >> > > >> policy worthy of the best
> >> > > >> leftist sentiments.
> >> > >
> >> > > > With hydrogen and fuel cells and supercapacitors, we will have
> >> > > > electricity without batteries.
> >> > > Just another silly little unviable fantasy.
> >> > > > No more stupid Tesla cars.
> >> > > > Hydrogen cars will be far far better.
> >> > > Another silly little fantasy. A hydrogen cylinder in the car
> >> > > comprehensively fucks the weight of the car and is nowhere
> >> > > near as easy to fill as with a petrol or diesel fuelled car.
> >> > Cylinders can be replaced mechanically. Swapped. No problem, can be
> >> done automatically.
> >> This means the driver won't even need to get out of the car.
> >> Just drives to a location, and lets robots do the rest:
> >> Take out the old cylinder, put in the new, calculate and charge the
> >> balance.
> >> And all the cylinders used are checked, of course.
> >> Just like gas cylinders for bbq at any service station.
> >>
> >> New ideas, will take time to sink in.
> >> But they must be implemented if people are really interested in
> >> renewables for cleanliness.
> >> > The range will be as big as the tank!
> >> > Electric cars are very efficient, so there will be no waste.
> >> > The technology is not a problem.
> >> >
> >> > ********************************
> >> > It is a question of the bulb lighting in Albo's brain, once he gets
> >> elected.
> >> > ********************************
> >> > > > When hydrogen will be universally available cheaply that is,
> >> > > No chance of that given the stupid cost of moving
> >> > > it to everywhere compared with electricity.
> >> > The Hydrogen Transmission Network will solve the problem of transport
> >> and storage in one stroke.
> >> > htnresearch.com gives details, including the patent application and
> >> patent.
> >> > Conference paper I presented in Kuwait in 2015:
> >> >
> >> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304298146_Load_balancing_system_involving_the_collection_distribution_and_usage_of_energy_using_the_proposed_Hydrogen_Transmission_Network_as_a_complement_or_alternative_to_high_voltage_transmission
> >> >
> >> > It is a new idea, so estab. robots like Rod3po dishing out their
> >> programmers' silly authoritarian views can have no clue.
> >> > > > and will happen when the HTN happens.
> >> > > That will never happen given the utterly insane cost of it.
> >> > No, only a few billion dollars or so, then it will be self-supporting
> >> with the vast amount of revenue coming in
> >> > from better land utilisation, industries, constructions, transport
> >> creating unlimited jobs feeding many
> >> > services.
> >> >
> >> > It will be a multi-trillion dollar money spinner. It will provide
> >> unlimited energy everywhere, as green as can be.
> >> > With energy everywhere, there will be use of it, from construction to
> >> refrigeration to transport.
> >> > Oil will be phased out. Great news, that, for everyone even the oil
> >> companies if they start to switch to hydrogen
> >> > economy using their capital. Oil will be the backup, and remain that
> >> way for long.
> >
> > Great side effect of the hydrogen economy is the pure water that is got
> > from hydrogen and oxygen.

> It is in fact nothing even remotely pure given that it is burnt in air,
> not pure oxygen.

Stupid robot Rod3po, water is got from burning hydrogen and oxygen.
As I wrote above.
If there is nothing else, then there cannot be impurity.
At least they should have programmed you to get this much.

> > Much better than the pollution of CO2
> Pity that's what plants, animals and even curry munchers produce, fool.

Whereas Rod3po's output is pure methane, more dangerous than CO2.
btw CO2 produced near the ground falls to the ground, and gets absorbed by the seas and streams.
In due course it becomes limestone.
What matters is CO2 production at 12000m.
That creates the greenhouse effect.
I have said this for a long time, and at last a celebrity - Attenborough - repeats what I have been saying.
To no avail, of course, but Covid did put a stopper, temporarily though.
Permanent fixes are required.
So jet engines must run on silicon hydrides, until we have superior technology based upon my new physics.
>
> In spades when you stupid curry munchers
> burn your corpses and toss the half burnt
> bodys into the river.

On Wed, 18 May 2022 21:21:24 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 15:26:01 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 May 2022 14:31:19 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 13:08:33 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 18 May 2022 11:51:34 +1000, Arindam Banerjee
>> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Wednesday, 18 May 2022 at 10:30:46 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee
>> wrote:
>> >> >> > > Coal can be converted into hydrogen, and coal gas.
>> >> >> > But it makes a hell of a lot more sense to convert it into
>> >> >> electricity.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No, it does not.
>> >> >> Making electricity at thermal power stations means making coal
>> burn
>> >> to
>> >> >> make steam.
>> >> >> This burning process creates a lot of problems - radioactive
>> output,
>> >> >> Sulphur output not to mention CO2.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Coal was turned into coal gas long before electricity was around.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Making coal gas involves passing steam over heated coal, to make
>> >> carbon
>> >> >> monoxide and hydrogen.
>> >> >> When the HTN is around (it will start small from islands and
>> littoral
>> >> >> areas, then make deeper inroads
>> >> >> and finally replace or complement the grid) the hydrogen from coal
>> >> gas
>> >> >> can be extracted and put into
>> >> >> the HTN as an ever-available component of the hydrogen economy,
>> >> useful
>> >> >> when the renewables sources
>> >> >> have temporary shortfall.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> (htnresearch.com gives details about the HTN.)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The CO component could be burnt to heat the water for the steam.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This way, the polluting aspects of coal can be controlled much
>> more
>> >> >> effectively, and that will give
>> >> >> coal an unlimited lease of life, doing thus good for miners and
>> >> mining
>> >> >> companies.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> When coal is used to make coal gas, the polluting residue remains
>> >> >> contained, does not
>> >> >> get blown out into the air, and can be disposed off efficiently.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Of course this is a new idea, for our time, although the idea of
>> coal
>> >> >> gas is ancient.
>> >> >> Old is gold, in this case. Coal gas, hydrogen, airships, etc. must
>> >> come
>> >> >> back.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> it is with the certainty that the ruling elites will not always be
>> >> >> biased and corrupt, that guides the original
>> >> >> works of
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Arindam (bin Einstein ban Gandhi) Banerjee, greatest genius of all
>> >> >> time, sole god among lotsa devils,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> who can only hope that Albo will go for the HTN. He has mentioned
>> >> >> renewables, he has mentioned
>> >> >> transmission, so he needs to put those two together for a great
>> >> energy
>> >> >> policy worthy of the best
>> >> >> leftist sentiments.
>> >>
>> >> > With hydrogen and fuel cells and supercapacitors, we will have
>> >> > electricity without batteries.
>> >> Just another silly little unviable fantasy.
>> >> > No more stupid Tesla cars.
>> >> > Hydrogen cars will be far far better.
>>
>> >> Another silly little fantasy. A hydrogen cylinder in the car
>> >> comprehensively fucks the weight of the car and is nowhere
>> >> near as easy to fill as with a petrol or diesel fuelled car.
>> > Cylinders can be replaced mechanically. Swapped.No problem, can be
>> done
>> > automatically.
>>
>> Bullshit with the pressures involved.

> Pressures have nothing to do when hydrogen is contained safely.

Everything to do with how viable it is to have a robot
change the tank of hydrogen by itself, safely.

> It is a matter of connection.
> Robotic hands to unscrew, pull out the old cylinder, put in the new one,
> connect the valves to the fuel cells, and screw back.

Easy to say, harder to do safely at those pressures, stupid.

> Of course it will take billions to develop, but wedo throw around
> trillions on stupid wars.

Australia doesn't.

> Maybe good sense will dawn somewhere sometime.

No chance with something as stupid as that
when the alternatives are much more viable.

>>> The range will be as big as the tank!

>> Pity about the size and weight of a tank that give you
>> you the range of a petrol of diesel car.

> It will be as big as needed.

Pity about what space is left in the car and how
viable the car is for the average driver, fuckwit.

> Hydrogen fuel cell cars are around,

With fuck all range, for a reason.

> there are no problems save the availability of hydrogen.

Pity that it comes from natural gas. Makes a lot more
sense to use the natural gas in the car instead.

> GM, Toyota have all the technology.

And none of it is commercially viable.

> The HTN is badly needed.

Taint gunna happen, you watch,

>> > Electric cars are very efficient, so there will be no waste.

>> There is always some waste.

> Much less,

Bullshit given that hydrogen leaks far worse.

> it is simply idiomatic when I said there will be no waste.

You never could bullshit and lie your way out of a wet paper bag.

> Since the hydrogen car is at least twice as efficient,

Another bare faced lie.

> it needs half the fuel for the same range,

Another bare faced lie.

> meaning the tank size is comparable. With present cars.

Another bare faced lie.

>> > The technology is not a problem.

>> Bullshit with distributing the hydrogen everywhere at a
>> cost anything like it can be done with the electricity grid.

> Stupid to talk of a kind of cost when plenty of other costs are not
> considered.

Yes, that is more of your terminal stupidity.

> Hydrogen is not just cheap, it is free as water contains hydrogen.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

It isn't free tio get it out of the water, fuckwit.

> Then the renewables are free.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> The HTN is very rugged,

More bare faced lying.

> very flexible with organic growth.

More bare faced lying.

> Once on, it will last for ages.

More bare faced lying.

> Hydrogen piping has been around for many decades.

At a stupid cost compared with the electricity grid.

> It has to take off in a big way, with the need for hydrogen to be
> universal.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

>> Even a stupid curry muncher should have noticed that
>> there has to be a hell of a lot more metal and pumps
>> involved with distributing hydrogen than with electricity.

> No,

Fraid so.

> Research papers show that piping energy with hydrogen is about as
> expensive as doing that by high voltage transmisdion..

Just because some fool clains something. With the amount
of metal used alone, that is a bare faced lie and even a stupid
lying curry muncher should have noticed that there are no
pumps involved with high voltage transmisdion..

> This subject has been studied for decades.

And no one has actually been stupid enough to piss
their money against the wall on even a single HTN.

> The oil companies are dead against it,

And so is anyone who has to pay for an HTN.

> The lossless HTN

Another bare faced lie with the leaks and hydrogen used for pumping.

> will be much cheaper

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> and more productive and reliable in the long run.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> It will be designed to not leak.

Not even possible with hydrogen.

>> > ********************************
>> > It is a question of the bulb lighting in Albo's brain, once he gets
>> > elected.
>> > ********************************