On 22/02/2022 11:57, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
> On 22/02/2022 08:39, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 01:51:07 +0000
>> Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 11:20:21 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 10:32:15 +0000
>>>> martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>>> On 21/02/2022 10:23, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>> Very little has gone to Paris and almost nothing to Frankfurt. In
>>>>>> fact most
>>>
>>>>> of
>>>>>> the little the City has lost has gone to wall street rather
>>>>>> kyboshing the
>>>>>> plans of the hand rubbing Macron.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Once Johnson declares the covid crisis over this week we're going to
>>>>> know for sure if covid or Brexit is causing the supermarket empty
>>>>> shelves in supermarkets or the long queues for cross channel ferries.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the shelves are not back to normal by the end of the month it's
>>>>> brexit.
>>>>
>>>> Don't know where you live but here in london the only time stuff was
>>>> missing
>>> >from the shelves was when the muppets were panic buying at the start of
>>>> lockdown. Other than that the shelves have been stocked full.
>>>>
>>> I get round several supermarkets in and around London. Nearly all have
>>> had something clearly missing at some time resulting either in empty
>>> shelves or thinned-out display of stock. There can also be significant
>>> differences between supermarkets of the same company resulting in full
>>> shelves in one but "out of stock" tickets for the same items in
>>> others. Otherwise, the same firm will have different producers for the
>>> same general item (e.g. milk, some meat/poultry etc. etc.) in
>>> different branches with the above effect still occuring.
>>
>> There are always some stock lines missing in supermarkets. It has
>> nothing to
>> do with the pandemic.
>>
> We'll find out next week now that the pandemic is over in England.  If
> there's still empty shelves then it's brexit.

Or merely the result of intense competition from Aldi / Lidl

--
Colin

On 22/02/2022 10:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
> I wonder if people like Neil and Martin are more used to Express/Local
> variants of supermarkets which have a restricted stock range in the
> first place and limited shelving to display what they do have.

I thought most supermarkets now work on the Just In Time Principle with
lorries arriving all day and must less space "wasted" on holding stock.

On 22/02/2022 13:05, MB wrote:
> On 22/02/2022 10:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> I wonder if people like Neil and Martin are more used to Express/Local
>> variants of supermarkets which have a restricted stock range in the
>> first place and limited shelving to display what they do have.
>
> I thought most supermarkets now work on the Just In Time Principle with
> lorries arriving all day and must less space "wasted" on holding stock.
>
Not only just in time but their distribution is pared to the bone and
they have no spare capacity to recover after poor weather.

In message <sv2n1v$o0k$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:05:03 on Tue, 22 Feb
2022, MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>On 22/02/2022 10:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> I wonder if people like Neil and Martin are more used to Express/Local
>> variants of supermarkets which have a restricted stock range in the
>> first place and limited shelving to display what they do have.
>
>I thought most supermarkets now work on the Just In Time Principle with
>lorries arriving all day and must less space "wasted" on holding stock.

Even Aldi has a stock-room like all the others. Usually (across a range
of brands) around a third the footprint of the main store as long as
it's not an "Extra-Super" sized one.

The only one I know that had (there's been changes of management so not
sure abut the present situation) genuine 'shelf stock only' was Boots.
And of course for most of what they carry there will many days-worth on
each shelf.

Apart from anything else, you simply can't shelf-stack a big store every
day from scratch. I also note Tesco have announced that they are
thinking about scrapping overnight shelf-stacking, to save costs, only
doing it in the daytime.

That could have knock-on effects for opening hours, because the reason
many operate 24hrs is because they might as well have one till open if
the store is already lit and has other staff inside.
--
Roland Perry

In message <sv2mpr$pod$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:00:46 on Tue, 22 Feb
2022, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:

>>> There are always some stock lines missing in supermarkets. It has
>>>nothing to do with the pandemic.
>>>
>> We'll find out next week now that the pandemic is over in England. 
>>If there's still empty shelves then it's brexit.
>
>Or merely the result of intense competition from Aldi / Lidl

The two effects are different. Competition from the low-costs means they
don't want to stock as wide a range as before (eg ten different brands
of butter) but they will *spread* (sorry) the five brands they still
carry across more inches of the shelf-space so they don't look empty.

It's been most obvious in the wine aisle (where Tesco also fell out with
one their wholesalers a few years ago, reducing the diversity).
Previously most varieties would be two-wide on the shelves, but now you
can often see the exact same bottle as much as eight-wide.

Curiously, Aldi manages to stick to two-wide, and if anything has a
better selection overall as a result.
--
Roland Perry

On 22/02/2022 13:37, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <sv2n1v$o0k$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:05:03 on Tue, 22 Feb
> 2022, MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>> On 22/02/2022 10:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> I wonder if people like Neil and Martin are more used to Express/Local
>>> variants of supermarkets which have a restricted stock range in the
>>> first place and limited shelving to display what they do have.
>>
>> I thought most supermarkets now work on the Just In Time Principle
>> with lorries arriving all day and must less space "wasted" on holding
>> stock.
>
> Even Aldi has a stock-room like all the others. Usually (across a range
> of brands) around a third the footprint of the main store as long as
> it's not an "Extra-Super" sized one.
>
> The only one I know that had (there's been changes of management so not
> sure abut the present situation) genuine 'shelf stock only' was Boots.
> And of course for most of what they carry there will many days-worth on
> each shelf.
>
> Apart from anything else, you simply can't shelf-stack a big store every
> day from scratch. I also note Tesco have announced that they are
> thinking about scrapping overnight shelf-stacking, to save costs, only
> doing it in the daytime.

Our local Tesco has been doing that for a while. The net result is
there's cages lying around all over the place getting in the way and
sods law says they're in the way of something you need.

>
> That could have knock-on effects for opening hours, because the reason
> many operate 24hrs is because they might as well have one till open if
> the store is already lit and has other staff inside.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <sv2n1v$o0k$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:05:03 on Tue, 22 Feb
> 2022, MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>> On 22/02/2022 10:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> I wonder if people like Neil and Martin are more used to Express/Local
>>> variants of supermarkets which have a restricted stock range in the
>>> first place and limited shelving to display what they do have.
>>
>> I thought most supermarkets now work on the Just In Time Principle with
>> lorries arriving all day and must less space "wasted" on holding stock.
>
> Even Aldi has a stock-room like all the others. Usually (across a range
> of brands) around a third the footprint of the main store as long as
> it's not an "Extra-Super" sized one.
>
> The only one I know that had (there's been changes of management so not
> sure abut the present situation) genuine 'shelf stock only' was Boots.
> And of course for most of what they carry there will many days-worth on
> each shelf.
>
> Apart from anything else, you simply can't shelf-stack a big store every
> day from scratch. I also note Tesco have announced that they are
> thinking about scrapping overnight shelf-stacking, to save costs, only
> doing it in the daytime.
>
> That could have knock-on effects for opening hours, because the reason
> many operate 24hrs is because they might as well have one till open if
> the store is already lit and has other staff inside.

I’m not sure whether it is actually true but it feels as though there are
more staff refilling shelves during the day at our local large Sainsbury’s.

Sam

--
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Spit the dummy to reply

In message <sv2qh1$iiq$2@dont-email.me>, at 14:04:17 on Tue, 22 Feb
2022, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>On 22/02/2022 13:37, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <sv2n1v$o0k$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:05:03 on Tue, 22 Feb
>>2022, MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>>> On 22/02/2022 10:28, Graeme Wall wrote:

>>>> I wonder if people like Neil and Martin are more used to Express/Local
>>>> variants of supermarkets which have a restricted stock range in the
>>>> first place and limited shelving to display what they do have.
>>>
>>> I thought most supermarkets now work on the Just In Time Principle
>>>with lorries arriving all day and must less space "wasted" on holding
>>>stock.

>> Even Aldi has a stock-room like all the others. Usually (across a
>>range of brands) around a third the footprint of the main store as
>>long as it's not an "Extra-Super" sized one.

>> The only one I know that had (there's been changes of management so
>>not sure abut the present situation) genuine 'shelf stock only' was
>>Boots. And of course for most of what they carry there will many
>>days-worth on each shelf.

>> Apart from anything else, you simply can't shelf-stack a big store
>>every day from scratch. I also note Tesco have announced that they
>>are thinking about scrapping overnight shelf-stacking, to save costs,
>>only doing it in the daytime.
>
>Our local Tesco has been doing that for a while. The net result is
>there's cages lying around all over the place getting in the way and
>sods law says they're in the way of something you need.

Yes, they've been doing it here for a few years, but generally only one
cage per aisle. Observing after mid-evening they'll often have four of
five in an aisle.
--
Roland Perry

On 22/02/2022 14:06, Sam Wilson wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> In message <sv2n1v$o0k$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:05:03 on Tue, 22 Feb
>> 2022, MB <MB@nospam.net> remarked:
>>> On 22/02/2022 10:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>> I wonder if people like Neil and Martin are more used to Express/Local
>>>> variants of supermarkets which have a restricted stock range in the
>>>> first place and limited shelving to display what they do have.
>>>
>>> I thought most supermarkets now work on the Just In Time Principle with
>>> lorries arriving all day and must less space "wasted" on holding stock.
>>
>> Even Aldi has a stock-room like all the others. Usually (across a range
>> of brands) around a third the footprint of the main store as long as
>> it's not an "Extra-Super" sized one.
>>
>> The only one I know that had (there's been changes of management so not
>> sure abut the present situation) genuine 'shelf stock only' was Boots.
>> And of course for most of what they carry there will many days-worth on
>> each shelf.
>>
>> Apart from anything else, you simply can't shelf-stack a big store every
>> day from scratch. I also note Tesco have announced that they are
>> thinking about scrapping overnight shelf-stacking, to save costs, only
>> doing it in the daytime.
>>
>> That could have knock-on effects for opening hours, because the reason
>> many operate 24hrs is because they might as well have one till open if
>> the store is already lit and has other staff inside.
>
> I’m not sure whether it is actually true but it feels as though there are
> more staff refilling shelves during the day at our local large Sainsbury’s.
>

OK, we are a tad different, but restocking takes place when the ferry
arrives and is discharged, so most restocking is done during the morning
after about 0900hrs (certainly perishables etc).

--
Colin

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 09:39:25 +0000
Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>The Xmas just gone I really fancied a Beef Wellington (which used to be
>a staple in Aldi that time of year) but they seem to have deleted it
>from their inventory.

Oh dear, having to shop in Aldi? How the mighty etc. If things get worse
you'll be shopping in the famine relief centre called Lidl amongst the chavs.

On 22/02/2022 16:07, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 09:39:25 +0000
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>> The Xmas just gone I really fancied a Beef Wellington (which used to be
>> a staple in Aldi that time of year) but they seem to have deleted it
>>from their inventory.
>
> Oh dear, having to shop in Aldi? How the mighty etc. If things get worse
> you'll be shopping in the famine relief centre called Lidl amongst the chavs.
>
Aldi an Lidl both have the same endearing feature that you can purchase
the same items in at least a third of the time as in other supermarkets.
And they don't keep moving their stuff around to delay your visits.

In message <sv31o3$omc$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 16:07:31 on Tue, 22 Feb
2022, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:

>On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 09:39:25 +0000
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:

>>The Xmas just gone I really fancied a Beef Wellington (which used to be
>>a staple in Aldi that time of year) but they seem to have deleted it
>>from their inventory.
>
>Oh dear, having to shop in Aldi? How the mighty etc. If things get worse
>you'll be shopping in the famine relief centre called Lidl amongst the chavs.

I like Aldi, a lot of their produce is better than other supermarkets,
and typically 3/4 the price.

Although the stuff, especially frozen, that's "too good to be true" is
like chewing old boots.
--
Roland Perry

On 22/02/2022 13:05, MB wrote:
> On 22/02/2022 10:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> I wonder if people like Neil and Martin are more used to Express/Local
>> variants of supermarkets which have a restricted stock range in the
>> first place and limited shelving to display what they do have.
>
> I thought most supermarkets now work on the Just In Time Principle with
> lorries arriving all day and must less space "wasted" on holding stock.
>

That's the distribution centres.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <sv2mpr$pod$1@dont-email.me>, at 13:00:46 on Tue, 22 Feb
> 2022, ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> remarked:
>
>>>> There are always some stock lines missing in supermarkets. It has
>>>> nothing to do with the pandemic.
>>>>
>>> We'll find out next week now that the pandemic is over in England. 
>>> If there's still empty shelves then it's brexit.
>>
>> Or merely the result of intense competition from Aldi / Lidl
>
> The two effects are different. Competition from the low-costs means they
> don't want to stock as wide a range as before (eg ten different brands
> of butter) but they will *spread* (sorry) the five brands they still
> carry across more inches of the shelf-space so they don't look empty.
>
> It's been most obvious in the wine aisle (where Tesco also fell out with
> one their wholesalers a few years ago, reducing the diversity).
> Previously most varieties would be two-wide on the shelves, but now you
> can often see the exact same bottle as much as eight-wide.
>
> Curiously, Aldi manages to stick to two-wide, and if anything has a
> better selection overall as a result.

In my experience both Aldi and Lidl have much better quality wine for the
price than the larger supermarkets. I think they’ve used it as a hook to
attract the middle classes.

In message <sv356g$266$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:06:24 on Tue, 22 Feb
2022, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>On 22/02/2022 16:07, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 09:39:25 +0000
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:

>>> The Xmas just gone I really fancied a Beef Wellington (which used to be
>>> a staple in Aldi that time of year) but they seem to have deleted it
>>>from their inventory.

>> Oh dear, having to shop in Aldi? How the mighty etc. If things get
>>worse you'll be shopping in the famine relief centre called Lidl
>>amongst the chavs.
>>
>Aldi an Lidl both have the same endearing feature that you can purchase
>the same items in at least a third of the time as in other
>supermarkets. And they don't keep moving their stuff around to delay
>your visits.

That's true. It might also be because their lean staffing model simply
doesn't allow the marketing people to demand that they do "confusion
aisling" which plagues Tesco more than Sainsbury's.
--
Roland Perry

On 22/02/2022 17:59, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <sv356g$266$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:06:24 on Tue, 22 Feb
> 2022, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>> On 22/02/2022 16:07, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 09:39:25 +0000
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>> The Xmas just gone I really fancied a Beef Wellington (which used to be
>>>> a staple in Aldi that time of year) but they seem to have deleted it
>>>> from their inventory.
>
>>>  Oh dear, having to shop in Aldi? How the mighty etc. If things get
>>> worse  you'll be shopping in the famine relief centre called Lidl
>>> amongst the chavs.
>>>
>> Aldi an Lidl both have the same endearing feature that you can
>> purchase the same items in at least a third of the time as in other
>> supermarkets.  And they don't keep moving their stuff around to delay
>> your visits.
>
> That's true. It might also be because their lean staffing model simply
> doesn't allow the marketing people to demand that they do "confusion
> aisling" which plagues Tesco more than Sainsbury's.

Even Tesco seems to have given up on that, other than the seasonal
aisle, my local one has had the same aisle layout for about three years now.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>
> One sees the opposite too, the Aldi over-ordered those £5 tins of
> Quality Street, and two months later still has a couple of
> palette-loads.

John Lewis do that too but their supplies arrive boxed by individual
flavour for customers to choose what goes in the tin pick and mix style.
A friend who is a JL partner regularly keeps some of us supplied for a
few months into the new year by bringing a couple of the bulk boxes in.
Came home today with two pocketfuls of the Creme Caramel Crisps and we
havn’t started on the toffee “ pennies” yet. In 2020 it was the green
wrapped triangles and a strawberry flavour .

GH

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 08:39:52 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
wrote:

>On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 01:51:07 +0000
>Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 11:20:21 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 10:32:15 +0000
>>>martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>>>>On 21/02/2022 10:23, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>> Very little has gone to Paris and almost nothing to Frankfurt. In fact most
>>
>>>>of
>>>>> the little the City has lost has gone to wall street rather kyboshing the
>>>>> plans of the hand rubbing Macron.
>>>>>
>>>>Once Johnson declares the covid crisis over this week we're going to
>>>>know for sure if covid or Brexit is causing the supermarket empty
>>>>shelves in supermarkets or the long queues for cross channel ferries.
>>>>
>>>>If the shelves are not back to normal by the end of the month it's brexit.
>>>
>>>Don't know where you live but here in london the only time stuff was missing
>>>from the shelves was when the muppets were panic buying at the start of
>>>lockdown. Other than that the shelves have been stocked full.
>>>
>>I get round several supermarkets in and around London. Nearly all have
>>had something clearly missing at some time resulting either in empty
>>shelves or thinned-out display of stock. There can also be significant
>>differences between supermarkets of the same company resulting in full
>>shelves in one but "out of stock" tickets for the same items in
>>others. Otherwise, the same firm will have different producers for the
>>same general item (e.g. milk, some meat/poultry etc. etc.) in
>>different branches with the above effect still occuring.
>
>There are always some stock lines missing in supermarkets. It has nothing to
>do with the pandemic.
>
They were never missing to the extent that they are now with some
supermarkets filling shelf spaces with pictures of what is missing
along with printed apologies for them not being there.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 20:31:31 +0000, Graeme Wall
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On 22/02/2022 17:59, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <sv356g$266$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:06:24 on Tue, 22 Feb
>> 2022, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>>> On 22/02/2022 16:07, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 09:39:25 +0000
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>> The Xmas just gone I really fancied a Beef Wellington (which used to be
>>>>> a staple in Aldi that time of year) but they seem to have deleted it
>>>>> from their inventory.
>>
>>>>  Oh dear, having to shop in Aldi? How the mighty etc. If things get
>>>> worse  you'll be shopping in the famine relief centre called Lidl
>>>> amongst the chavs.
>>>>
>>> Aldi an Lidl both have the same endearing feature that you can
>>> purchase the same items in at least a third of the time as in other
>>> supermarkets.  And they don't keep moving their stuff around to delay
>>> your visits.
>>
>> That's true. It might also be because their lean staffing model simply
>> doesn't allow the marketing people to demand that they do "confusion
>> aisling" which plagues Tesco more than Sainsbury's.
>
>Even Tesco seems to have given up on that, other than the seasonal
>aisle, my local one has had the same aisle layout for about three years now.
>
Spoiler:
They've just started shifting a load of stuff around at the big Tesco
in Neasden although the underlying cause might be relocating the
clothing section which is currently remote from the rest of the
non-food items.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 17:06:24 +0000
martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>On 22/02/2022 16:07, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 09:39:25 +0000
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>> The Xmas just gone I really fancied a Beef Wellington (which used to be
>>> a staple in Aldi that time of year) but they seem to have deleted it
>>>from their inventory.
>>
>> Oh dear, having to shop in Aldi? How the mighty etc. If things get worse
>> you'll be shopping in the famine relief centre called Lidl amongst the chavs.
>
>>
>Aldi an Lidl both have the same endearing feature that you can purchase
>the same items in at least a third of the time as in other supermarkets.

Not in the nearest Lidl to me (which thankfully is 3 miles away). The few
times I've been in the queues were about 6 deep on all the tills of beer bellies
and cheap tracksuits and no self checkout option. Presumably they assume
their customers might have trouble figuring them out.

On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 20:31:31 +0000
Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>On 22/02/2022 17:59, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <sv356g$266$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:06:24 on Tue, 22 Feb
>> 2022, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>>> On 22/02/2022 16:07, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 09:39:25 +0000
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>> The Xmas just gone I really fancied a Beef Wellington (which used to be
>>>>> a staple in Aldi that time of year) but they seem to have deleted it
>>>>> from their inventory.
>>
>>>>  Oh dear, having to shop in Aldi? How the mighty etc. If things get
>>>> worse  you'll be shopping in the famine relief centre called Lidl
>>>> amongst the chavs.
>>>>
>>> Aldi an Lidl both have the same endearing feature that you can
>>> purchase the same items in at least a third of the time as in other
>>> supermarkets.  And they don't keep moving their stuff around to delay
>>> your visits.
>>
>> That's true. It might also be because their lean staffing model simply
>> doesn't allow the marketing people to demand that they do "confusion
>> aisling" which plagues Tesco more than Sainsbury's.
>
>Even Tesco seems to have given up on that, other than the seasonal
>aisle, my local one has had the same aisle layout for about three years now.

Ditto Asda. Rarely does stuff get shoved somewhere random anymore for that
"fun" treasure hunt search you just didn't want when you're in a hurry.

On 23/02/2022 08:40, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 20:31:31 +0000
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 22/02/2022 17:59, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <sv356g$266$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:06:24 on Tue, 22 Feb
>>> 2022, martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk remarked:
>>>> On 22/02/2022 16:07, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 09:39:25 +0000
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> The Xmas just gone I really fancied a Beef Wellington (which used to be
>>>>>> a staple in Aldi that time of year) but they seem to have deleted it
>>>>>> from their inventory.
>>>
>>>>>  Oh dear, having to shop in Aldi? How the mighty etc. If things get
>>>>> worse  you'll be shopping in the famine relief centre called Lidl
>>>>> amongst the chavs.
>>>>>
>>>> Aldi an Lidl both have the same endearing feature that you can
>>>> purchase the same items in at least a third of the time as in other
>>>> supermarkets.  And they don't keep moving their stuff around to delay
>>>> your visits.
>>>
>>> That's true. It might also be because their lean staffing model simply
>>> doesn't allow the marketing people to demand that they do "confusion
>>> aisling" which plagues Tesco more than Sainsbury's.
>>
>> Even Tesco seems to have given up on that, other than the seasonal
>> aisle, my local one has had the same aisle layout for about three years now.
>
> Ditto Asda. Rarely does stuff get shoved somewhere random anymore for that
> "fun" treasure hunt search you just didn't want when you're in a hurry.
>

A colleague, who had been a Sainsburys manager in a former life, told me
it was an American[1] idea to get customers to use aisles they usually
ignored and might impulse buy something they wouldn't have seen during
their normal shopping. Meanwhile the rest of the world has standardised
layouts so you can walk into a supermarket in Boulogne or Buenos Aires
and know exactly where to find what you want.

[1] Walmart, IIRC

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Graeme Wall
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<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 17:06:24 +0000
> martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk wrote:
>> On 22/02/2022 16:07, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 09:39:25 +0000
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> The Xmas just gone I really fancied a Beef Wellington (which used to be
>>>> a staple in Aldi that time of year) but they seem to have deleted it
>>>> from their inventory.
>>>
>>> Oh dear, having to shop in Aldi? How the mighty etc. If things get worse
>>> you'll be shopping in the famine relief centre called Lidl amongst the chavs.
>>
>>>
>> Aldi an Lidl both have the same endearing feature that you can purchase
>> the same items in at least a third of the time as in other supermarkets.
>
> Not in the nearest Lidl to me (which thankfully is 3 miles away). The few
> times I've been in the queues were about 6 deep on all the tills of beer bellies
> and cheap tracksuits and no self checkout option. Presumably they assume
> their customers might have trouble figuring them out.
>
>

The Lidls near me have self checkouts.

Aldi's checkout assistants can deal with a queue of six customers quicker
than M&S staff can serve one customer.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <sv31o3$omc$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 16:07:31 on Tue, 22 Feb
> 2022, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com remarked:
>
>> On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 09:39:25 +0000
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> The Xmas just gone I really fancied a Beef Wellington (which used to be
>>> a staple in Aldi that time of year) but they seem to have deleted it
>>> from their inventory.
>>

>
> I like Aldi, a lot of their produce is better than other supermarkets,
> and typically 3/4 the price.
>
> Although the stuff, especially frozen, that's "too good to be true" is
> like chewing old boots.

What are you complaining for?

You said you wanted a Beef Wellington.

GH

On 23/02/2022 07:24, Charles Ellson wrote:
> They were never missing to the extent that they are now with some
> supermarkets filling shelf spaces with pictures of what is missing
> along with printed apologies for them not being there.

Not seen that anywhere?