On 08/04/2022 09:19, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> Of course he also made records with that chap with the unspellable name
> something like yahoodi menuine.

Grapelli and Menuhin - the first of their collaborations was "Jealousy"
which my dad had.

On 08/04/2022 09:18, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> Lots of bands use Electric fiddles or violins. Even Elton John had a few
> tracks like that.

And electric viola:

http://tauzero.co.uk/music/mp3s/BleedingHearts/Alien_world.mp3
http://tauzero.co.uk/music/mp3s/BleedingHearts/Ghoti.mp3
http://tauzero.co.uk/music/mp3s/BleedingHearts/Love_lies_bleeding.mp3
http://tauzero.co.uk/music/mp3s/BleedingHearts/Overdrawn.mp3

On 08/04/2022 09:10, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>
> I think my favourite probably unsafe device you could by was a static
> remover. You put this thing beside the disc on the turntable base, and took
> off a little cap. It contained a radioactive source that ionised the air and
> removed the static. Because of decay, you had to change it quit often. They
> said its was safe giving off alpha and beta particles, but I never bought
> one as I was quite dubious that something that could ionise air around it
> might not be as benign as we were led to believe.

I remember an antistatic gnu which was rather safer than that. I suspect
a piezo crystal was involved - it had a sharp needle and a big trigger
thing, you pointed the needle at the record and squeezed the trigger.
Ah, they're still made - Zerostat, that may well have been the name it
was made under then.

https://acoustic-tech.com/shop/milty/zerostat-3-anti-static-gun-blue/

HOW SHPXING MUCH???

On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 02:01:54 +0100
Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:

> I remember an antistatic gnu which was rather safer than that. I suspect
> a piezo crystal was involved - it had a sharp needle and a big trigger
> thing, you pointed the needle at the record and squeezed the trigger.
> Ah, they're still made - Zerostat, that may well have been the name it
> was made under then.
>
> https://acoustic-tech.com/shop/milty/zerostat-3-anti-static-gun-blue/
>
> HOW SHPXING MUCH???

The river lady has them for somewhat less - but still zbarlous.

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Yes I still have one though a fiend has borrowed it. You needed to pull the
trigger slowly and some people with arthritis found them quite hard to use.
Similar principal was used in gas lighters which sparked.

In theory though if you got the polarity right a single point ioniser
powered from the mains worked just as well. I built one once using a lot of
high voltage capacitors and diodes. Worked well for years, but you needed to
unplug it and clean the spike and its surroundings fairly often as it tended
to fizz. The main difficulty when building it was getting smooth solder
joints and no spikes inside the ladder of capacitors, or all your volts
disappeared inside. In the end I had to dunk the whole pcb in a kind of gunk
stuff that sealed it.
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"Mike Fleming" <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On 08/04/2022 09:10, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>>
>> I think my favourite probably unsafe device you could by was a static
>> remover. You put this thing beside the disc on the turntable base, and
>> took
>> off a little cap. It contained a radioactive source that ionised the air
>> and
>> removed the static. Because of decay, you had to change it quit often.
>> They
>> said its was safe giving off alpha and beta particles, but I never bought
>> one as I was quite dubious that something that could ionise air around it
>> might not be as benign as we were led to believe.
>
> I remember an antistatic gnu which was rather safer than that. I suspect a
> piezo crystal was involved - it had a sharp needle and a big trigger
> thing, you pointed the needle at the record and squeezed the trigger. Ah,
> they're still made - Zerostat, that may well have been the name it was
> made under then.
>
> https://acoustic-tech.com/shop/milty/zerostat-3-anti-static-gun-blue/
>
> HOW SHPXING MUCH???
>

It did work well though as I said.
The early ones did wear out though, but they gave free replacements. I need
one for myself on this sofa. I get up andgo to the other side of the room
and get a huge spark from the part of me which touches a large metal object,
especially if its earthed as well.
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"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 02:01:54 +0100
> Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I remember an antistatic gnu which was rather safer than that. I suspect
>> a piezo crystal was involved - it had a sharp needle and a big trigger
>> thing, you pointed the needle at the record and squeezed the trigger.
>> Ah, they're still made - Zerostat, that may well have been the name it
>> was made under then.
>>
>> https://acoustic-tech.com/shop/milty/zerostat-3-anti-static-gun-blue/
>>
>> HOW SHPXING MUCH???
>
> The river lady has them for somewhat less - but still zbarlous.
>
> --
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> Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 09:21:52 +0100
"Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Yes I still have one though a fiend has borrowed it. You needed to pull
> the trigger slowly and some people with arthritis found them quite hard
> to use. Similar principal was used in gas lighters which sparked.

You can still get those too, and they're a *lot* cheaper.

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RustyHinge said:
> On 06/04/2022 12:52, Richard Robinson wrote:
>
>> AIRI, the first band to use a fiddle while not calling themselves
>> 'folk'.
>
> Hot Club de Paris?

Ahh. I knew that, really ...

I should have been more specific than "band".

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On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 09:25:04 +0100, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)"
<briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> The early ones did wear out though, but they gave free replacements. I need
>one for myself on this sofa. I get up andgo to the other side of the room
>and get a huge spark from the part of me which touches a large metal object,
>especially if its earthed as well.

Dilute solution of fabric softener.

For the sofa and carpet, not for records...

Thomas Prufer

On 06/04/2022 12:52, Richard Robinson wrote:
> RustyHinge said:
>> On 06/04/2022 08:22, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>>> Talking of novelties. There was of course the coloured or picture disc
>>> pressings to contend with. I always found them less good, audio wise.
>>> There was a green one and a yellow one I had, and both seemed to wear
>>> faster or be noisier than one might expect.
>>> There have also been some odd experiments with CDs as well, CDs that are
>>> square or credit card sized mainly with promotional short pieces of music
>>> on. Many players simply could not cope with them in their loading mechanism.
>>
>> First one of those I saw was Curved Air, IIRC. Most of them distorted
>> very quickly, and new pressings came in a sleeve printed with the same
>> motif as the black and white LPs.
>>
>> Good record, for all the gimmicry.
>
> AIRI, the first band to use a fiddle while not calling themselves
> 'folk'.
>
> (Apart from Fairport Convention, but did anyone believe them ?)
>
>
I have a very solid memory of the Animals using a perspex one on their
version of 'Paint It Black' at the Monterey Festival.
It can be found on YoodleToob

Still my favourite version

Chris D

On 09-Apr-22 1:53, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 08/04/2022 09:19, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>> Of course he also made records with that chap with the unspellable name
>> something like yahoodi menuine.
>
> Grapelli and Menuhin - the first of their collaborations was "Jealousy"
> which my dad had.
>

What was the cause of his jealousy?

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Yes but those only give a quick one shot high voltage pulse. I'm talking
about non battery type here of course. I'm not sure what the difference with
the zerostat is, it might be as simple as a big capacitor inside, never
pulled one apart.
As for cleaning records, there were so many weird things made in the heyday
of Vinyl, I often wondered if it might not have been possible to design the
plastic so it did not get charged up in the first place.
Who remembers the Pixall device. Basically a roll of double sided tape that
picked up the muck. I never found it very useful. The good old Disc preener
with a humid centre, or a very clever carbon fibre brush that Tandy used to
sell again with a humid section in the top seemed very good. For records
that were already polluted there were the wet cleaning or wet playing
devices. I used Knowin, the w was pronounced V. It was a bottle of so called
anti static fluid, a funnel and filter papers, and a bath where half the
record was submerged in the fluid and a centre hub that protected the label.
It had a drying rack as well.

I found in the end though that de ionised water and fairy liquid worked as
well as the expensive anti stat fluid, as the wetting agent in fairy meant
it would easily run off. The bath had two removable brushes that cleaned the
muck out as you rotated it.

If you wanted a perfectly silent record it was actually better to play them
wet and record the output on a computer, and then put them on CD.
However it really depended on what you wanted and certainly they were a lot
cleaner afterwards and did not charge up for a long time after treatment.

Oh memories... I still have one of those devices.
Incidentally, I did try one of those ultra expensive Keith Monks record
cleaners. They worked very well. They used a roll of some kind of thin
cotton and a big brush that wet the record as it rotated. The muck in the
water after a couple of records were cleaned was disgusting.Their drawback
was cost and how slowly you had to do it to get it to work, plus every few
records you needed a new roll of the thread that went up the arm and
actually ran in the groove one side at a time.
Some record libraries used them, but then it was an investment I guess.
Brian

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"Ahem A Rivet's Shot" <steveo@eircom.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 9 Apr 2022 09:21:52 +0100
> "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Yes I still have one though a fiend has borrowed it. You needed to pull
>> the trigger slowly and some people with arthritis found them quite hard
>> to use. Similar principal was used in gas lighters which sparked.
>
> You can still get those too, and they're a *lot* cheaper.
>
> --
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> Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 09:05:47 +0100
"Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> Yes but those only give a quick one shot high voltage pulse. I'm talking
> about non battery type here of course. I'm not sure what the difference
> with the zerostat is, it might be as simple as a big capacitor inside,
> never pulled one apart.

The one I have here behaves very much like a zerostat but with much
less travel on the actuator so it doesn't spark for as long, but if I pump
it I can get a pretty much continuous spark for as long as I like. The
mechanism just repeatedly stresses a piezo as the actuator is squeezed, the
only difference in a zerostat is more travel and perhaps a larger piezo.

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On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 00:06:35 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 09-Apr-22 1:53, Mike Fleming wrote:
>> On 08/04/2022 09:19, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>>> Of course he also made records with that chap with the unspellable name
>>> something like yahoodi menuine.
>>
>> Grapelli and Menuhin - the first of their collaborations was "Jealousy"
>> which my dad had.
>>
>
>What was the cause of his jealousy?

Somebody else said Three Little Words to Sweet Georgia Brown

Nick

It also is not supposed to spark its supposed to ionise the air to discharge
the static. Often of course merely putting a damp sponge under the dust
cover while playing was enough to stop static. I remember when I used to use
an SME arm, you got so much static you could hear the record discharge
sometimes while it was playing.
Then you could not get it off the turntable as the static was holding it
down.

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> On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 09:05:47 +0100
> "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Yes but those only give a quick one shot high voltage pulse. I'm talking
>> about non battery type here of course. I'm not sure what the difference
>> with the zerostat is, it might be as simple as a big capacitor inside,
>> never pulled one apart.
>
> The one I have here behaves very much like a zerostat but with much
> less travel on the actuator so it doesn't spark for as long, but if I pump
> it I can get a pretty much continuous spark for as long as I like. The
> mechanism just repeatedly stresses a piezo as the actuator is squeezed,
> the
> only difference in a zerostat is more travel and perhaps a larger piezo.
>
> --
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> Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 07:56:56 +0100
"Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:

> It also is not supposed to spark its supposed to ionise the air to
> discharge the static.

Ah yes the other difference - no nearby ground for the pin to
discharge to.

> Often of course merely putting a damp sponge under
> the dust cover while playing was enough to stop static.

Clamping the record to a solid steel platter worked wonders for
killing static (the thick band of lead set near rim stopped it ringing).

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There used to be another type of device. A tiny bead of some radioactive
material hanging below the tone-arm just above the record surface
..

On 2022-04-11, Brian Gaff (Sofa) <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> It also is not supposed to spark its supposed to ionise the air to discharge
> the static. Often of course merely putting a damp sponge under the dust
> cover while playing was enough to stop static. I remember when I used to use
> an SME arm, you got so much static you could hear the record discharge
> sometimes while it was playing.
> Then you could not get it off the turntable as the static was holding it
> down.
> Brian
>

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On 11/04/2022 08:28, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 07:56:56 +0100
> "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> It also is not supposed to spark its supposed to ionise the air to
>> discharge the static.
>
> Ah yes the other difference - no nearby ground for the pin to
> discharge to.
>
>> Often of course merely putting a damp sponge under
>> the dust cover while playing was enough to stop static.
>
> Clamping the record to a solid steel platter worked wonders for
> killing static (the thick band of lead set near rim stopped it ringing).

I prefer a plate glass mat

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On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 11:56:39 +0100
RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:

> On 11/04/2022 08:28, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> > On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 07:56:56 +0100

> > Clamping the record to a solid steel platter worked wonders for
> > killing static (the thick band of lead set near rim stopped it ringing).
>
> I prefer a plate glass mat

How do you stop them ringing though ? Use a mat ?

I always liked to clamp direct to the turntable for best definition.
Most mats IME squish and soften sound edges. Apart from one odd mat that I
used until I had to sell the setup. That one was a thin plastic sheet,
hairy on one side - the plastic gripped the turntable solidly and the hairs
gripped the record up the grooves, once clamped the record was more rigidly
held than without a mat.

Lbooyd zbarlous it were for a mat TAAAW. The abstrad who ran my
favourite audio bits siop said "Steve you have to listen to this ... yes
yes mats are terrible I know, you have to listen to this!" - two hours
later (he had a comfy listening room) I left with one.

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On 09/04/2022 09:21, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> Yes I still have one though a fiend has borrowed it. You needed to pull the
> trigger slowly and some people with arthritis found them quite hard to use.
> Similar principal was used in gas lighters which sparked.

Zerostat. Got one somewhere.

Principle was ye squeezed very slowly, and then ye released very slowly
reversing the charge polarity.

If ye squeezed hard and fast (like some stupid youtubers), then ye could
see quite bright blue sparks in the body, and it did hurt discharging to
a finger.

Theory was ye were loading/unloading a huge lot of charge, and then
unloading/loading it, rendering the disc neutral. Any charge that was
present before the operation would have been minor in magnitude and
displaced.

Don't think ye were meant to play the disc fully charged up.

Didn't make a terrific amount of difference to me, most of my problems
was dirty records not static. 60s Brylcreem* contamination :-(
I do keep meaning to buy/make a cleaning machine.

Bernard makes reference to a radioactive device. Truly scary!

* Brylcreem - now what was that all about?

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On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 8:08:15 AM UTC-5, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
> On 09/04/2022 09:21, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
> > Yes I still have one though a fiend has borrowed it. You needed to pull the
> > trigger slowly and some people with arthritis found them quite hard to use.
> > Similar principal was used in gas lighters which sparked.
> Zerostat. Got one somewhere.
>
> Principle was ye squeezed very slowly, and then ye released very slowly
> reversing the charge polarity.
>
> If ye squeezed hard and fast (like some stupid youtubers), then ye could
> see quite bright blue sparks in the body, and it did hurt discharging to
> a finger.
>
> Theory was ye were loading/unloading a huge lot of charge, and then
> unloading/loading it, rendering the disc neutral. Any charge that was
> present before the operation would have been minor in magnitude and
> displaced.
>
> Don't think ye were meant to play the disc fully charged up.
>
> Didn't make a terrific amount
of difference to me, most of my problems
> was dirty records not static. 60s Brylcreem* contamination :-(
> I do keep meaning to buy/make a cleaning machine.
>
> Bernard makes reference to a radioactive device. Truly scary!
>
> * Brylcreem - now what was that all about?
>
> --
> Adrian C

Disc? I thought ya'll were talking about the kind in one's back!

Plate glass? I'd have thought that would make things worse.
3M made a conductive foam mat and that did work quite well, as long as the
turntable was metal.

The real problem though is that if they had made the record with some other
substance it might not have been o bad, I was always amazed at how much
charge could be generated in just playing a couple of tracks of an album,
with what amounted to a tiny contact area.
I remember some cartridges cam with a little carbon fibre brush on the
front. Stanton, was it? Quite how the playing weight could ever be known
with that on eluded me.
At one show there was something called a vinyl rescue system. Best part of
10,000 quid. It played the disc with lasers and could be adjusted so it
played part of the grooves with no or minimal wear. The Japanese made it and
it must have been the ultimate in the law of diminishing returns!

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> On 11/04/2022 08:28, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 07:56:56 +0100
>> "Brian Gaff \(Sofa\)" <briang1@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> It also is not supposed to spark its supposed to ionise the air to
>>> discharge the static.
>>
>> Ah yes the other difference - no nearby ground for the pin to
>> discharge to.
>>
>>> Often of course merely putting a damp sponge under
>>> the dust cover while playing was enough to stop static.
>>
>> Clamping the record to a solid steel platter worked wonders for
>> killing static (the thick band of lead set near rim stopped it ringing).
>
> I prefer a plate glass mat
>
> --
> Rusty Hinge
> To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the
> BOFH.

I have to say that there are some snake oil devices still around today, I
still use a Technics SL5 parallel tracking deck fitted with an Ortofon
cartridge.
Obviously, I had to compromise to allow me to work the thing. No good if
you cannot hit the record with the stylus. It has occasionally some need of
a clean up of the lubricant on the arm mechanics, but some light oil then
make it very very quiet. It has two speed presets underneath, a silly place
to locate them in my view, but otherwise it works well and sounds very good.
A lot of the different subjective sounds of things that rely on mechanical
connections to turn the grooves into electrical signals can be subtly
changed even by the pressing.
For example. An original release of one disc, sounds worse than the re
issue, the latter pressed in a more dead and less flexible vinyl to the
original. I believe one was emi, the other the polygram.

I am actually very surprised that vinyl has come back, when you consider all
the tings that need to be perfect for it to sound good. I'd suggest that
good and right are where the confusion sets in.
Also some cutting engineers knew exactly what to change to make a pressing
sound good, but when it comes to digital, especially when converting old
recordings to the digital media, seem not to know. They restrict dynamic
range or go the other way entirely and produce something that is
unrealistic in the domestic environment.

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> On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 11:56:39 +0100
> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 11/04/2022 08:28, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> > On Mon, 11 Apr 2022 07:56:56 +0100
>
>> > Clamping the record to a solid steel platter worked wonders for
>> > killing static (the thick band of lead set near rim stopped it
>> > ringing).
>>
>> I prefer a plate glass mat
>
> How do you stop them ringing though ? Use a mat ?
>
> I always liked to clamp direct to the turntable for best definition.
> Most mats IME squish and soften sound edges. Apart from one odd mat that I
> used until I had to sell the setup. That one was a thin plastic sheet,
> hairy on one side - the plastic gripped the turntable solidly and the
> hairs
> gripped the record up the grooves, once clamped the record was more
> rigidly
> held than without a mat.
>
> Lbooyd zbarlous it were for a mat TAAAW. The abstrad who ran my
> favourite audio bits siop said "Steve you have to listen to this ... yes
> yes mats are terrible I know, you have to listen to this!" - two hours
> later (he had a comfy listening room) I left with one.
>
> --
> Steve O'Hara-Smith
> Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

I think this discussion has moved out of my understanding!

Imbalance of charges on the surfaces of materials has always interested me,
it is almost a quantum effect.
If you used an electroscope you could plainly see the variation in charges
over records.

I guess the ultimate ones were van der Graff generators, and windhurst
machines. One used friction of a belt the other rotating discs.
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"Don Stockbauer" <donstockbauer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 8:08:15 AM UTC-5, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
>> On 09/04/2022 09:21, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
>> > Yes I still have one though a fiend has borrowed it. You needed to pull
>> > the
>> > trigger slowly and some people with arthritis found them quite hard to
>> > use.
>> > Similar principal was used in gas lighters which sparked.
>> Zerostat. Got one somewhere.
>>
>> Principle was ye squeezed very slowly, and then ye released very slowly
>> reversing the charge polarity.
>>
>> If ye squeezed hard and fast (like some stupid youtubers), then ye could
>> see quite bright blue sparks in the body, and it did hurt discharging to
>> a finger.
>>
>> Theory was ye were loading/unloading a huge lot of charge, and then
>> unloading/loading it, rendering the disc neutral. Any charge that was
>> present before the operation would have been minor in magnitude and
>> displaced.
>>
>> Don't think ye were meant to play the disc fully charged up.
>>
>> Didn't make a terrific amount
> of difference to me, most of my problems
>> was dirty records not static. 60s Brylcreem* contamination :-(
>> I do keep meaning to buy/make a cleaning machine.
>>
>> Bernard makes reference to a radioactive device. Truly scary!
>>
>> * Brylcreem - now what was that all about?
>>
>> --
>> Adrian C
>
> Disc? I thought ya'll were talking about the kind in one's back!

My experience suggests that most of the "converts" listen to digitally
compressed audio rules on bluetooth earbuds via their mobile phone, but
listen to vinyl as it is meant to be listened to. The Bluetooth
connection usually introduces an extra layer of digital compression to
the formats used, such as mp3 or the Apple euivalent. Even the best
Bluetooth is about equivalent to high bit rate mp3.

What is being compared is the current equivalent of a Walkman and a top
of the range 1980s hifi system.

Listening to a well recorded CD beats a vinyl recording of the same
performance any day of the week, but the current fashion for squeezing
all the dynamic range out of all recordings is better suited to vinyl or
cassette than quality listening on CD or, when I have recorded the gig
myself, the 24 bit original files. I'm sure there would be a market for
uncompressed CD recordings of, especially, classical and choral music,
though playing back uncompressed recordings to conductors and musicians
suggests that even they prefer the compressed versions.

On 12/04/2022 08:30, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:

> I am actually very surprised that vinyl has come back, when you consider all
> the tings that need to be perfect for it to sound good. I'd suggest that
> good and right are where the confusion sets in.

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Tciao for Now!

John.