Sam Plusnet said:
> On 17-May-22 11:54, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> RustyHinge said:
>
>>> Depends on the bactrians.
>>
>> "Life's too short to drown a camel".
>
> So the camels would have you believe.
>
> Given their usual environment, drowning isn't high on their list of worries.
>
> (They're bright enough to stay out of wadis.)

What I said. It'd be complicated.

But, thinks - Has anybody ever offered them the chance to swim in
alcohol ?

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Sam Plusnet said:
> On 17-May-22 11:57, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> Sam Plusnet said:
>>> On 16-May-22 12:46, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 11:54:01 +0100
>>>> Tone <tone@email.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 16/05/2022 11:16, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>>>> On 16 May 2022 09:40:09 GMT
>>>>>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> St. paul told us to drink a little wine `for our stomach sake'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In times before water purification a little alcohol was a very
>>>>>> good thing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Small beer
>>>>
>>>> Indeed, diluted wine being the other common option.
>>>>
>>> Didn't both Greeks and Romans think anyone who drank undiluted wine to
>>> be an utter barbarian?
>>
>> After the 3rd bottle,yes.
>
> Amphora innit?
> Not to mention kraters.
Smoking or otherwise.

Did they put resin in it in those days ?

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Richard Robinson said:
>
> suger.

*blush*

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On 2022-05-17, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 17/05/2022 14:34, Richard Robinson wrote:
>
>> Grapes, maybe. I thought the problem was the water ? I also think they
>> don't make it with the rainwater that falls onto the vines ? What am I
>> missing ?
>>
>>

Except for german wine, which has extra ingrediants, which nearly caused
the EU to not let it be defined as wine, forget the name.

There is a German product, called something like `hosktrockenauslese' I
found a bottle in Aldi once, sickingly sweet.

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In article <slrnt89hej.55o.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
Wed, 18 May 2022 at 10:09:23 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 2022-05-17, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>> On 17/05/2022 14:34, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>
>>> Grapes, maybe. I thought the problem was the water ? I also think they
>>> don't make it with the rainwater that falls onto the vines ? What am I
>>> missing ?
>>>
>>>
>
>Except for german wine, which has extra ingrediants, which nearly caused
>the EU to not let it be defined as wine, forget the name.
>
>There is a German product, called something like `hosktrockenauslese' I
>found a bottle in Aldi once, sickingly sweet.
>
You mean Trockenbeerenauslese, truly a very sweet desert wine? Made
from grapes that have dried on the vine, affected by noble rot and the
grapes are individually selected. Trocken normally means a dry wine,
but here it means the grapes have dried on the vine.

Not really a quaffing wine and, as you might expect, not a cheap wine.
At the end of a meal a small glass, drunk slowly is just the thing.
Vintage or Tawny Port to follow.

Those were the days.

I am surprised that Aldi had any, good Trockenbeerenauslese are not easy
to find.
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On 18/05/2022 11:09, maus wrote:
> Except for german wine, which has extra ingrediants, which nearly caused
> the EU to not let it be defined as wine, forget the name.
>
The problem I heard about was some makers adding ethylene glycol (AKA
antifreeze) to cheap wine to make it taste sweeter.

--
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John.

On 2022-05-18, Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
> In article <slrnt89hej.55o.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
> Wed, 18 May 2022 at 10:09:23 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>On 2022-05-17, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> On 17/05/2022 14:34, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Grapes, maybe. I thought the problem was the water ? I also think they
>>>> don't make it with the rainwater that falls onto the vines ? What am I
>>>> missing ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>Except for german wine, which has extra ingrediants, which nearly caused
>>the EU to not let it be defined as wine, forget the name.
>>
>>There is a German product, called something like `hosktrockenauslese' I
>>found a bottle in Aldi once, sickingly sweet.
>>
> You mean Trockenbeerenauslese, truly a very sweet desert wine? Made
> from grapes that have dried on the vine, affected by noble rot and the
> grapes are individually selected. Trocken normally means a dry wine,
> but here it means the grapes have dried on the vine.
>
> Not really a quaffing wine and, as you might expect, not a cheap wine.
> At the end of a meal a small glass, drunk slowly is just the thing.
> Vintage or Tawny Port to follow.
>
> Those were the days.
>
> I am surprised that Aldi had any, good Trockenbeerenauslese are not easy
> to find.

As was I, which is why I bought it, I had seen it at private parties in
Germany, of which there are not many. (seen it, not offored it)

Can anyone remember the name of the stuff that they add to the grapes in
Germany to help fermentation? I have used it here (.ie) as well.

--
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Human Life will not end with a `Bang', but with a `D'oh'
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Nicholas D. Richards said:
> In article <slrnt89hej.55o.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
> Wed, 18 May 2022 at 10:09:23 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>On 2022-05-17, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
>>> On 17/05/2022 14:34, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Grapes, maybe. I thought the problem was the water ? I also think they
>>>> don't make it with the rainwater that falls onto the vines ? What am I
>>>> missing ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>>Except for german wine, which has extra ingrediants, which nearly caused
>>the EU to not let it be defined as wine, forget the name.
>>
>>There is a German product, called something like `hosktrockenauslese' I
>>found a bottle in Aldi once, sickingly sweet.
>>
> You mean Trockenbeerenauslese, truly a very sweet desert wine? Made
> from grapes that have dried on the vine, affected by noble rot and the
> grapes are individually selected. Trocken normally means a dry wine,
> but here it means the grapes have dried on the vine.

Hardly an 'extra' ingredient, then ?

> Not really a quaffing wine and, as you might expect, not a cheap wine.
> At the end of a meal a small glass, drunk slowly is just the thing.
> Vintage or Tawny Port to follow.
>
> Those were the days.
>
> I am surprised that Aldi had any, good Trockenbeerenauslese are not easy
> to find.

--
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

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John Williamson said:
> On 18/05/2022 11:09, maus wrote:
>> Except for german wine, which has extra ingrediants, which nearly caused
>> the EU to not let it be defined as wine, forget the name.
>>
> The problem I heard about was some makers adding ethylene glycol (AKA
> antifreeze) to cheap wine to make it taste sweeter.

Austria, I think.

--
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

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In article <slrnt8a0me.9ka.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
Wed, 18 May 2022 at 14:29:34 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 2022-05-18, Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>> You mean Trockenbeerenauslese, truly a very sweet desert wine? Made
>> from grapes that have dried on the vine, affected by noble rot and the
>> grapes are individually selected. Trocken normally means a dry wine,
>> but here it means the grapes have dried on the vine.
>>
>> Not really a quaffing wine and, as you might expect, not a cheap wine.
>> At the end of a meal a small glass, drunk slowly is just the thing.
>> Vintage or Tawny Port to follow.
>>
>> Those were the days.
>>
>> I am surprised that Aldi had any, good Trockenbeerenauslese are not easy
>> to find.
>
>As was I, which is why I bought it, I had seen it at private parties in
>Germany, of which there are not many. (seen it, not offored it)
>
>Can anyone remember the name of the stuff that they add to the grapes in
>Germany to help fermentation? I have used it here (.ie) as well.
>
No but I know what the unscrupulous added leading to a serious scandal
some years back. Ethylene Glycol, good for cooling, Spitfire, Hurricane
and (I assume) Bf109 engines. Good for stopping water cooled car engines
from freezing, sweet tasting to humans and lethal in any quantity.

It had been a cold summer and the grapes had not ripened enough to
produce enough sugars. I wonder what the French did? :-j

The Romans used to sweeten their wines with Lead Acetate (I believe) and
look what happened to them, well after about 600+ years.
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RustyHinge wrote:

> The Quorn ended-up going mouldy in the fridge

I thought mould was what it started-out as?

On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:37:44 -0500, Richard Robinson
<richardR@privacy.net> wrote:

>John Williamson said:
>> On 18/05/2022 11:09, maus wrote:
>>> Except for german wine, which has extra ingrediants, which nearly caused
>>> the EU to not let it be defined as wine, forget the name.
>>>
>> The problem I heard about was some makers adding ethylene glycol (AKA
>> antifreeze) to cheap wine to make it taste sweeter.
>
>Austria, I think.

Yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_diethylene_glycol_wine_scandal

How many people remember that 1976 was one of the best years for
Beaujolais? Probably nobody. I had to look it up. Yet everybody who
was around at the time of the Austrian wine scandal remembers it even
if they can't remember the exact year and they probably still skirt
past the Austrian wines and choose something else to drink.

Nick

On 18/05/2022 10:40, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Richard Robinson said:
>>
>> suger.
>
> *blush*

sug, suger, sugest.

On 18/05/2022 18:20, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 18/05/2022 10:40, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> Richard Robinson said:
>>>
>>> suger.
>>
>> *blush*
>
> sug, suger, sugest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJZgRbmmGUk

Tone

On 18/05/2022 16:42, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <slrnt8a0me.9ka.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
> Wed, 18 May 2022 at 14:29:34 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>
>> Can anyone remember the name of the stuff that they add to the grapes in
>> Germany to help fermentation? I have used it here (.ie) as well.
>>
> No but I know what the unscrupulous added leading to a serious scandal
> some years back. Ethylene Glycol, good for cooling, Spitfire, Hurricane
> and (I assume) Bf109 engines. Good for stopping water cooled car engines
> from freezing, sweet tasting to humans and lethal in any quantity.

That was Austria, not Germany, although the Austrian wine did get
exported to Germany and bottled there, or blended with German wine.

On Wed, 18 May 2022 18:15:09 +0100
Nick Odell <nick@themusicworkshop.plus.com> wrote:

> How many people remember that 1976 was one of the best years for
> Beaujolais?

AH yes 1976 - I remember it being lbooyd hot, I remember having to
wear a black short-sleeved tee shirt to steward the folk festival and
peeling my arms like a snake shedding skin afterwards, I remember ladybirds
in vast numbers (the year before it was aphids), I remember getting ynvq
for the first time. If I had to pick a year to put on endless repeat it
would be high on the list.

I don't pay much attention to wine.

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

Nick Odell wrote:

> You've just reminded me that in a cupboard somewhere I have not one
> but two hand operated mincers

SPONG!

On 18-May-22 15:29, maus wrote:
> Can anyone remember the name of the stuff that they add to the grapes in
> Germany to help fermentation? I have used it here (.ie) as well.

Given the German attitude to what can or cannot go into their beer, I
can't imagine anything being added, except a little insinglass after
fermentation is over.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 18-May-22 10:26, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Sam Plusnet said:
>> On 17-May-22 11:54, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>> RustyHinge said:
>>
>>>> Depends on the bactrians.
>>>
>>> "Life's too short to drown a camel".
>>
>> So the camels would have you believe.
>>
>> Given their usual environment, drowning isn't high on their list of worries.
>>
>> (They're bright enough to stay out of wadis.)
>
> What I said. It'd be complicated.
>
> But, thinks - Has anybody ever offered them the chance to swim in
> alcohol ?

The Saudis? For some obscure religious reasons?

--
Sam Plusnet

On Wed, 18 May 2022 19:37:09 +0100
Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:

> Nick Odell wrote:
>
> > You've just reminded me that in a cupboard somewhere I have not one
> > but two hand operated mincers
>
> SPONG!

It's mounted on a cupboard in the kitchen where it does daily duty
grinding coffee into its newish 3D printed catch tray.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

In article <jekodbFu9d7U2@mid.individual.net>, Mike Fleming
<mike@tauzero.co.uk> on Wed, 18 May 2022 at 18:23:55 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>On 18/05/2022 16:42, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>> In article <slrnt8a0me.9ka.maus@dmaus.org>, maus <maus@dmaus.org> on
>> Wed, 18 May 2022 at 14:29:34 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>>
>>> Can anyone remember the name of the stuff that they add to the grapes in
>>> Germany to help fermentation? I have used it here (.ie) as well.
>>>
>> No but I know what the unscrupulous added leading to a serious scandal
>> some years back. Ethylene Glycol, good for cooling, Spitfire, Hurricane
>> and (I assume) Bf109 engines. Good for stopping water cooled car engines
>> from freezing, sweet tasting to humans and lethal in any quantity.
>
>That was Austria, not Germany, although the Austrian wine did get
>exported to Germany and bottled there, or blended with German wine.

Apologies to Germany, as soon as I started to read I realized that I had
remembered wrongly.

However responsible German blenders should have been testing what they
put into their blends.

I know at the time we were not drinking German wine because it was
affected.

Alsace wines were in many cases a very good substitute.
--
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"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

In article <20220518184945.619e4109cc22e8c3fa76f33d@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Wed, 18 May 2022 at 18:49:45 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Wed, 18 May 2022 18:15:09 +0100
>Nick Odell <nick@themusicworkshop.plus.com> wrote:
>
>> How many people remember that 1976 was one of the best years for
>> Beaujolais?
>
> AH yes 1976 - I remember it being lbooyd hot, I remember having to
>wear a black short-sleeved tee shirt to steward the folk festival and
>peeling my arms like a snake shedding skin afterwards, I remember ladybirds
>in vast numbers (the year before it was aphids), I remember getting ynvq
>for the first time. If I had to pick a year to put on endless repeat it
>would be high on the list.
>
> I don't pay much attention to wine.
>
1975 was also a hot and dry summer. I was sent on gardening leave for
the whole summer, not as a result of being a naughty boy. I had just
completed a post-graduate one year course at my employer's expense and
they discovered that they had nothing appropriate for me to do. I spent
4 weeks camping in the Cotswolds.

It was the hot dry summer of '75 and poor rainfall over the winter of
'75/'76 that made the drought of the summer of '76 so severe.

In the summer of '76 my desk was in a small office with no outside
windows and one skylight which could not be opened. On the other hand my
flat was 5 minutes walk from Stokes Bay and looked out onto Stokes Bay.
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"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

Tease'n'Seize said:
> Nick Odell wrote:
>
>> You've just reminded me that in a cupboard somewhere I have not one
>> but two hand operated mincers
>
> SPONG!

I've got one of their coffee-grinders. It's a lovely solid piece of kit,
but ... hootered if I want to grind coffee by hand. Last thing I need,
first thing in the morning, I'd want lots of coffee first. Then I'd want
an electric one.

--
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Sam Plusnet said:
> On 18-May-22 10:26, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> Sam Plusnet said:
>>> On 17-May-22 11:54, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>> RustyHinge said:
>>>
>>>>> Depends on the bactrians.
>>>>
>>>> "Life's too short to drown a camel".
>>>
>>> So the camels would have you believe.
>>>
>>> Given their usual environment, drowning isn't high on their list of worries.
>>>
>>> (They're bright enough to stay out of wadis.)
>>
>> What I said. It'd be complicated.
>>
>> But, thinks - Has anybody ever offered them the chance to swim in
>> alcohol ?
>
> The Saudis? For some obscure religious reasons?

"Religious camels" is an even more unlikely concept, Saudi or Bactrian.
Especially given that the morality police'd probably chop their hooves
off for it. Is that what they've got ? Pads ? _Feet_, ffs.

Religiously persecuted refugee camels braving the Channel in search of
something alcoholic to swim in, that's what we need. Liven the place up
a bit, and confuse the navy. Take that, Patel !

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Nick Odell said:
> On Wed, 18 May 2022 10:37:44 -0500, Richard Robinson
><richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>John Williamson said:
>>> On 18/05/2022 11:09, maus wrote:
>>>> Except for german wine, which has extra ingrediants, which nearly caused
>>>> the EU to not let it be defined as wine, forget the name.
>>>>
>>> The problem I heard about was some makers adding ethylene glycol (AKA
>>> antifreeze) to cheap wine to make it taste sweeter.
>>
>>Austria, I think.
>
> Yes.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_diethylene_glycol_wine_scandal
>
> How many people remember that 1976 was one of the best years for
> Beaujolais? Probably nobody. I had to look it up. Yet everybody who
> was around at the time of the Austrian wine scandal remembers it even
> if they can't remember the exact year and they probably still skirt
> past the Austrian wines and choose something else to drink.

'85 ? Blimey, I thought I remembered it being in the '70s.

I'm not sure I've ever noticed Austrian wine. Which probably means I've
chosen something else, yes. (I'm not that well up on the subject).

--
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html