On 20/05/2022 21:41, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Fri, 20 May 2022 20:55:16 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 20-May-22 8:19, Nick Odell wrote:
>>
>>> At great personal sacrifice I went out of my way to test the
>>> Telegraph's opinion. There's one I still haven't found in stock, two
>>> that I'd never drink again but three that are perfectly good enough to
>>> keep in the kitchen and glug down whilst cooking.
>>
>> Care to name them? Cheap & decent sounds pretty good to me.
>
> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/features/five-brilliant-wines-less-5-bottle/>
>
> or to skip the paywall
>
> https://archive.ph/zNQTo
>
> (or you can just turn off javascript and read the whole of the
> Telegraph for free)
>
> The ones I've bought again are the Pinot Grigio, the Shiraz and the
> Tempranillo. I'm not much of a white wine drinker so possibly the
> Lateral wines hold more appeal to others. I'm also in the position
> where if I'm caught drinking wines from Chile the reaction is a bit
> like a Ukranian caught drinking Russian Vodka.

Tamworth hasn't had a Tesco for decades, but there has been a sprouting
of Aldidls this millennium. So this may be more useful for us:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/wine/4523109/Bargain-wines-from-Aldi-and-Lidl.html

The Chrome extension Bypass Paywalls appears to be working.

On 2022-05-21, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
> On 20/05/2022 16:44, maus wrote:
>> On 2022-05-20, Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>>> In article <XnsAE9D64E549BC4Factura3476@144.76.35.252>, Peter
>>> <myshed@prune.org.uk> on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 08:55:03 awoke Nicholas
>>> from his slumbers and wrote
>>>> Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote in
>>>> news:jeo4vpFjn84U2@mid.individual.net:
>>>>
>>>>> On 19/05/2022 22:31, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>> On 19-May-22 14:42, Peter wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> I looked in to the possibility. Unfortunately for me I have a Yew (not
>>> you) tree close by in my garding and a neighbour a London Plane (not
>>> plain flower) tree adjacent. Apparently Yew appear to be able to get
>>> their roots into a pond and poison the water. When a Plane loses its
>>> leaves they do not rot readily and also poison the water.
>>
>> Back around 1954, I helped kill off a pair of Yew trees (The leaves are
>> poisonous to cattle) and for many years I could see the trunks as I
>> drove by, then the man who owned the land knocked the trunks down and
>> pulled them to his farmyard, where they lay for years (They are hard to
>> chainsaw because of the fumes that are released as you cut). Last time I
>> passed the two trunks were still lying there, as hard as ever. Kinda
>> sad.
>>
>> I think they once made bows from the outsides.
>
> My parents' home was Yew Tree Farm, so named because of the yew trees at
> the front: https://goo.gl/maps/Vva38bYg5efJgwtq9
>
> We sold it after they died, and the new owners have kept the name but
> not the yew trees: https://goo.gl/maps/SFcZ63dZquJSpcCg6
>

Which reminded me of a nutter who I disputed with years ago on a usenet
group, who emailed me a satellite picture of my home.

I was looking for a Wordsworth poem complaining about some lordling
cutting down trees.. Can't find it.
--
greymausg@mail.com
Human Life will not end with a `Bang', but with a `D'oh'
Romantic Ireland is done and gone, it's with O'Leary in the grave.

On 2022-05-21, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
> On 20/05/2022 06:08, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 May 2022 01:18:29 +0100
>> Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/05/2022 20:06, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>>> In article <t6622k$ara$1@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
>>>> girolle.co.uk> on Thu, 19 May 2022 at 19:25:23 awoke Nicholas from his
>>>> slumbers and wrote
>>>>> Hirondelle is Serapu 4 the 'swallow' (brid)
>>>>>
>>>> If you drank from the bottle you would know that, it had a Hirondelle,
>>>> in flight, on the label.
>>>
>>> Bill Clinton should be sent a bottle.
>>>
>>> Apparently, at the G8 summit in Birmingham last millennium, he was going
>>> to be put up at the Swallow Hotel ...
>>
>> ... in the Lewinski suite.
>
> There is an apocryphal story that prior to the G8, there had been some
> scouting around and a hair salon called Monica's was espied on the
> Coventry Road. The owner was given much money to rename it, and unveiled
> the new name to coincide with the G8 - Lewinski's.

Close, but no cigar.

--
greymausg@mail.com
Human Life will not end with a `Bang', but with a `D'oh'
Romantic Ireland is done and gone, it's with O'Leary in the grave.

Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote in news:jes90aFd3m3U1
@mid.individual.net:

> On 20/05/2022 16:44, maus wrote:
>> On 2022-05-20, Nicholas D. Richards <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>>> In article <XnsAE9D64E549BC4Factura3476@144.76.35.252>, Peter
>>> <myshed@prune.org.uk> on Fri, 20 May 2022 at 08:55:03 awoke Nicholas
>>> from his slumbers and wrote
>>>> Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote in
>>>> news:jeo4vpFjn84U2@mid.individual.net:
>>>>
>>>>> On 19/05/2022 22:31, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>> On 19-May-22 14:42, Peter wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> I looked in to the possibility. Unfortunately for me I have a Yew (not
>>> you) tree close by in my garding and a neighbour a London Plane (not
>>> plain flower) tree adjacent. Apparently Yew appear to be able to get
>>> their roots into a pond and poison the water. When a Plane loses its
>>> leaves they do not rot readily and also poison the water.
>>
>> Back around 1954, I helped kill off a pair of Yew trees (The leaves are
>> poisonous to cattle) and for many years I could see the trunks as I
>> drove by, then the man who owned the land knocked the trunks down and
>> pulled them to his farmyard, where they lay for years (They are hard to
>> chainsaw because of the fumes that are released as you cut). Last time I
>> passed the two trunks were still lying there, as hard as ever. Kinda
>> sad.
>>
>> I think they once made bows from the outsides.
>
> My parents' home was Yew Tree Farm, so named because of the yew trees at
> the front: https://goo.gl/maps/Vva38bYg5efJgwtq9
>
> We sold it after they died, and the new owners have kept the name but
> not the yew trees: https://goo.gl/maps/SFcZ63dZquJSpcCg6
>

Not far from where my daughter lives. I've a cousin near there as well.

--
Peter
-----

Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote in
news:jes9deFd51oU1@mid.individual.net:

> On 20/05/2022 12:16, Peter wrote:
>>
>> [5] the hole is a well I dug when I was younger and fitter. I
>> sometimes have to service the pump that's down there. I won't be able
>> to do that for much longer.
>
> Could you move the pump from down there to up here, with a pipe
> leading to down there to maintain contact with the water?

It's the hydraulics, you see. I've seen the doctor about it but he's no
help.

--
Peter
-----

On 21/05/2022 14:57, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 20/05/2022 12:16, Peter wrote:
>>
>> [5] the hole is a well I dug when I was younger and fitter. I sometimes
>> have to service the pump that's down there. I won't be able to do that
>> for
>> much longer.
>
> Could you move the pump from down there to up here, with a pipe leading
> to down there to maintain contact with the water?

Prolly means priming the pump,. 'cos it's designed to sook water, not air.

Much easier to detach pump and replace it with one which can be
pulled-up on its wiring and a nosepipe when necessary.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 20-May-22 21:25, Peter wrote:
> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in news:t68per$1kp$1
> @dont-email.me:
>
>>
>> They certainly made bows from yew wood.
>>
>
> Well, you would, wouldn't you
>
I bow to your knowledge of bows.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 21/05/2022 20:00, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 20-May-22 21:25, Peter wrote:
>> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in news:t68per$1kp$1
>> @dont-email.me:
>>
>>>
>>> They certainly made bows from yew wood.
>>>
>>
>> Well, you would, wouldn't you
>>
> I bow to your knowledge of bows.

Anyone got an archer comment than that?

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

In article <t6cn24$vk9$1@dont-email.me>, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.
girolle.co.uk> on Sun, 22 May 2022 at 08:00:20 awoke Nicholas from his
slumbers and wrote
>On 21/05/2022 20:00, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 20-May-22 21:25, Peter wrote:
>>> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in news:t68per$1kp$1
>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> They certainly made bows from yew wood.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, you would, wouldn't you
>>>
>> I bow to your knowledge of bows.
>
>Anyone got an archer comment than that?
>
Are you trying to string us along?
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On 2022-05-22, RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:
> On 21/05/2022 20:00, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 20-May-22 21:25, Peter wrote:
>>> RustyHinge <rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote in news:t68per$1kp$1
>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> They certainly made bows from yew wood.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, you would, wouldn't you
>>>
>> I bow to your knowledge of bows.
>
> Anyone got an archer comment than that?
>

I remember listening to the Archers, Walter Gabriel, all that. It
irritated me how snobbish the farmers were,

--
greymausg@mail.com
Human Life will not end with a `Bang', but with a `D'oh'

Nicholas D. Richards wrote:

> I was pleasantly surprised that Worthington White Shield is still being
> brewed and bottled as a bottle conditioned pale ale. I rather enjoyed it in
> the past. I need to find someone locally who sells it. No success so far.

I've seen it in aWtiores, can't remember how recently thobut.

Nick Odell wrote:

> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/features/five-brilliant-wines-less-5-bottle/>
>
> or to skip the paywall
> https://archive.ph/zNQTo
> (or you can just turn off javascript and read the whole of the

A handy de-paywaller, just prefix the URL with http://12ft.io/

e.g.

<http://12ft.io/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/features/five-brilliant-wines-less-5-bottle/>

I have a handy "pw" keyworm in foxfart using <https://12ft.io/proxy?q=%s>

Mike Fleming said:
> On 20/05/2022 21:41, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Fri, 20 May 2022 20:55:16 +0100, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 20-May-22 8:19, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>
>>>> At great personal sacrifice I went out of my way to test the
>>>> Telegraph's opinion. There's one I still haven't found in stock, two
>>>> that I'd never drink again but three that are perfectly good enough to
>>>> keep in the kitchen and glug down whilst cooking.
>>>
>>> Care to name them? Cheap & decent sounds pretty good to me.
>>
>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/features/five-brilliant-wines-less-5-bottle/>
>>
>> or to skip the paywall
>>
>> https://archive.ph/zNQTo
>>
>> (or you can just turn off javascript and read the whole of the
>> Telegraph for free)
>>
>> The ones I've bought again are the Pinot Grigio, the Shiraz and the
>> Tempranillo. I'm not much of a white wine drinker so possibly the
>> Lateral wines hold more appeal to others. I'm also in the position
>> where if I'm caught drinking wines from Chile the reaction is a bit
>> like a Ukranian caught drinking Russian Vodka.
>
> Tamworth hasn't had a Tesco for decades, but there has been a sprouting
> of Aldidls this millennium. So this may be more useful for us:
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodanddrink/wine/4523109/Bargain-wines-from-Aldi-and-Lidl.html

[amused]
A small immersion in the gurgletubes has come up with the headline
"Aldi-Sekt – Die Nummer zwei im großen Weinsnob-Test"

> The Chrome extension Bypass Paywalls appears to be working.

That's worth knowing. Ta.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

In article <m_KdnUtageEzmxf_nZ2dnUU7-U9j4p2d@brightview.co.uk>,
Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid.?> on Sun, 22 May 2022 at
10:47:24 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>
>Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>
>> I was pleasantly surprised that Worthington White Shield is still being
>> brewed and bottled as a bottle conditioned pale ale. I rather enjoyed it in
>> the past. I need to find someone locally who sells it. No success so far.
>
>I've seen it in aWtiores, can't remember how recently thobut.
>
I knew that used to be on their list, but not anymore. It never came to
my local Waitrose. <Sad face>

I asked their wine/spirits/beer person who told me that they had no
control what was and was not sent to them.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On 22-May-22 11:07, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> Nick Odell wrote:
>
>> <https://www.telegraph.co.uk/food-and-drink/features/five-brilliant-wines-less-5-bottle/>
>>
>>
>> or to skip the paywall
>> https://archive.ph/zNQTo
>> (or you can just turn off javascript and read the whole of the
>
> A handy de-paywaller, just prefix the URL with http://12ft.io/
>

No ted with thanks. That's a cuminandy if I ever saw one.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 2022-05-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 14 May 2022 14:48:39 GMT
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> Does nobody knew that world populations are falling, specially in places
>> like Russland, China, Iran?. Nigeria and India are exceptions.
>
> Yes, that's how we know we're coming to the peak of the sigmoid and
> not on an exponential. The best estimates seem to agree on it stabilising at
> about ten billion around 2050.
>
> There's been a UN working group attacking the problem of feeding
> that many people for some years now - many of the 'superfoods' that appear
> and vanish ultimately derive from their market testing. It's actually quite
> hard to get better protein yield per acre than pigs or chickens (including
> the feed and the transport fuel for it), but the best of the unpalatable
> superfoods do a lot better.

Developing elegant solutions to the wrong problem. We already produce enough
food to feed everyone. We have a distribution problem not a production
problem.

--
Bernard Peek
bap@shrdlu.com

Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> The best estimates seem to agree on it stabilising at
> about ten billion around 2050.

I don't suppose there were many people guestimating future world population
before the agricultural and industrial revolutions, but they'd have got a bit of
a shock ...

On 25 May 2022 13:17:44 GMT
Bernard Peek <bap@shrdlu.com> wrote:

> On 2022-05-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> > On 14 May 2022 14:48:39 GMT
> > maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Does nobody knew that world populations are falling, specially in
> >> places like Russland, China, Iran?. Nigeria and India are exceptions.
> >
> > Yes, that's how we know we're coming to the peak of the sigmoid
> > and not on an exponential. The best estimates seem to agree on it
> > stabilising at about ten billion around 2050.
> >
> > There's been a UN working group attacking the problem of feeding
> > that many people for some years now - many of the 'superfoods' that
> > appear and vanish ultimately derive from their market testing. It's
> > actually quite hard to get better protein yield per acre than pigs or
> > chickens (including the feed and the transport fuel for it), but the
> > best of the unpalatable superfoods do a lot better.
>
> Developing elegant solutions to the wrong problem. We already produce
> enough food to feed everyone. We have a distribution problem not a
> production problem.

Last I checked that seemed to be a close call with some saying we
don't produce quite enough and some saying we produce plenty. Nobody seems
to think we're producing 40-50% more than we need today which is what we
need to do to feed ten billion.

We *also* have a distribution problem, which will always require us
to overproduce, improving that will indeed help.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On Wed, 25 May 2022 14:45:24 +0100
Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid> wrote:

> Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
> > The best estimates seem to agree on it stabilising at
> > about ten billion around 2050.
>
> I don't suppose there were many people guestimating future world
> population before the agricultural and industrial revolutions, but they'd
> have got a bit of a shock ...

Meke Room, Make Room! was published in 1966 and set with a pretty
accurately predicted seven billion in 1999. The level of poverty and
universal near starvation depicted was a reasonable prediction for the time,
food riots well before now were a common prediction then too based on
pretty accurate population growth estimates.

In reality the world as a whole is better fed today than it was in
1966.

Most predictions until the very recent ones were based on Malthus
and the idea that population growth would be exponential and production
growth linear until disaster, whereas in fact more subtle pressures (not
really understood AFAICT) make population growth a sigmoid that curves off
long before disaster at the maximum sustainable level.

We've got a lot better at feeding ourselves than anyone thought we
would be, production growth has been far better than linear.

As a result of these we live in a far better world than that one and
we've got a good chance of hitting the plateau in reasonable comfort and
seeing things get better from there on. That would be a shock to Malthus and
followers.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

In article <20220525150943.0a880181c3e521e656947f4e@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Wed, 25 May 2022 at 15:09:43 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On 25 May 2022 13:17:44 GMT
>Bernard Peek <bap@shrdlu.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-05-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> > On 14 May 2022 14:48:39 GMT
>> > maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Does nobody knew that world populations are falling, specially in
>> >> places like Russland, China, Iran?. Nigeria and India are exceptions.
>> >
>> > Yes, that's how we know we're coming to the peak of the sigmoid
>> > and not on an exponential. The best estimates seem to agree on it
>> > stabilising at about ten billion around 2050.
>> >
>> > There's been a UN working group attacking the problem of feeding
>> > that many people for some years now - many of the 'superfoods' that
>> > appear and vanish ultimately derive from their market testing. It's
>> > actually quite hard to get better protein yield per acre than pigs or
>> > chickens (including the feed and the transport fuel for it), but the
>> > best of the unpalatable superfoods do a lot better.
>>
>> Developing elegant solutions to the wrong problem. We already produce
>> enough food to feed everyone. We have a distribution problem not a
>> production problem.
>
> Last I checked that seemed to be a close call with some saying we
>don't produce quite enough and some saying we produce plenty. Nobody seems
>to think we're producing 40-50% more than we need today which is what we
>need to do to feed ten billion.
>
> We *also* have a distribution problem, which will always require us
>to overproduce, improving that will indeed help.
>
We also need to overproduce and put into storage against future
shortages, manmade or natural. There is no point in overproducing food
that has a short shelf life, by which I mean more than a year (potatoes,
many green leaves and so on have such a short shelf life). Grains which
can be stored for some years and rotated are what are needed.

--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

In article <cu2dneHZ7vNorxP_nZ2dnUU7-T2dnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>,
Tease'n'Seize <tease-and-seize@invalid.?> on Wed, 25 May 2022 at
14:45:24 awoke Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>
>> The best estimates seem to agree on it stabilising at
>> about ten billion around 2050.
>
>I don't suppose there were many people guestimating future world population
>before the agricultural and industrial revolutions, but they'd have got a bit of
>a shock ...
>

An Essay on the Principle of Population (Malthus - 1798) was doing just
that. He would quite possibly be right if the industrial, agricultural
and social revolutions had not happened.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:58:22 AM UTC-5, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
> In article <20220525150943.0a88...@eircom.net>, Ahem A
> Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> on Wed, 25 May 2022 at 15:09:43 awoke
> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
> >On 25 May 2022 13:17:44 GMT
> >Bernard Peek <b...@shrdlu.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2022-05-14, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <ste...@eircom.net> wrote:
> >> > On 14 May 2022 14:48:39 GMT
> >> > maus <ma...@dmaus.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Does nobody knew that world populations are falling, specially in
> >> >> places like Russland, China, Iran?. Nigeria and India are exceptions.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, that's how we know we're coming to the peak of the sigmoid
> >> > and not on an exponential. The best estimates seem to agree on it
> >> > stabilising at about ten billion around 2050.
> >> >
> >> > There's been a UN working group attacking the problem of feeding
> >> > that many people for some years now - many of the 'superfoods' that
> >> > appear and vanish ultimately derive from their market testing. It's
> >> > actually quite hard to get better protein yield per acre than pigs or
> >> > chickens (including the feed and the transport fuel for it), but the
> >> > best of the unpalatable superfoods do a lot better.
> >>
> >> Developing elegant solutions to the wrong problem. We already produce
> >> enough food to feed everyone. We have a distribution problem not a
> >> production problem.
> >
> > Last I checked that seemed to be a close call with some saying we
> >don't produce quite enough and some saying we produce plenty. Nobody seems
> >to think we're producing 40-50% more than we need today which is what we
> >need to do to feed ten billion.
> >
> > We *also* have a distribution problem, which will always require us
> >to overproduce, improving that will indeed help.
> >
> We also need to overproduce and put into storage against future
> shortages, manmade or natural. There is no point in overproducing food
> that has a short shelf life, by which I mean more than a year (potatoes,
> many green leaves and so on have such a short shelf life). Grains which
> can be stored for some years and rotated are what are needed.
> --
> 0sterc@tcher -
>
> "Oů sont les neiges d'antan?"

Is platitude the opposite of plongitude? Aren't they at right angles or something?

Nicholas D. Richards wrote:

> An Essay on the Principle of Population (Malthus - 1798) was doing just
> that. He would quite possibly be right if the industrial, agricultural
> and social revolutions had not happened.

My point being they did happen, and made a huge difference, what revolutions are
in the future?

On 25-May-22 15:34, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:

> As a result of these we live in a far better world than that one and
> we've got a good chance of hitting the plateau in reasonable comfort and
> seeing things get better from there on. That would be a shock to Malthus and
> followers.

That's putting a good (Pan)gloss on things.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 25/05/2022 18:42, Tease'n'Seize wrote:
> Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>
>> An Essay on the Principle of Population (Malthus - 1798) was doing just
>> that. He would quite possibly be right if the industrial, agricultural
>> and social revolutions had not happened.
>
> My point being they did happen, and made a huge difference, what
> revolutions are in the future?
>
>
>

When I were a trip boat manager on t'Basintsoke canal we had a major
infestation of invasive crayfish. They seemed to reach a maximum whereby
when we drained out our dry-dock the deck was inches deep with them,
then suddenly they all disappeared from the canal within about a year.
Nobody knew why. Virus? Predators? Lack of food? Lack of oxygen?
Polution? Self destruction? Who knows?

My point being us humans are liable to reach a certain maximum number
whereby something culls us. Virus? Predatores? Lack of food? Lack of
oxygen? Polution? Self destruction? Who knows?

Tone