On 11/2/22 9:09 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 11/02/2022 7:27 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 11/2/22 5:40 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>
>>> Depends where you live, in Japan, the cost of keeping a car on the
>>> road is deliberately made more each year until after 7 years or so it
>>> is uneconomical to do so. That is why Japanese scrap yards look like
>>> Australian second hand car yards, and it is economical to ship older
>>> Japanese cars abroad.
>>
>> I wasn't thinking about OS, plenty of old cars still on the roads in
>> Australia.
>> What happens in Japan is about Govt policy that forces people to but
>> new cars to prop up their car industry, not whether or not IC cars can
>> last 30yrs.
>
> Yep.
>
>> I do agree though with your point about not needing to import oil,
>> that alone is probably the best argument in favour of EV's, the Middle
>> East going back to being a worthless desert and no longer holding the
>> rest of the world to ransom can only be a good thing.
>
> To a point.
>
> They'll take massive hit certainly, but there will always be a need for
> oil. EV's will get a great many IC powered cars off the road, but heavy
> transport, aviation and shipping is another story.
>
>
Aviation, shipping and long haul trains are going to end up as the
biggest users of fossil fuels, just a guess but I think heavy trucks
will use a combination of hydrogen fuel cells and batteries.
Not easy to find data but from what I did find is that fuel used by
light vehicles is very approx 50% of the total consumed so a big hit to
Middle Eastern back pockets.
I'm just speculating but its possible that if cars in some countries
such as the US no longer used petrol or diesel then what oil they
produce themselves might be enough to dramatically reduce reliance on
imports, its certainly going to change the world economy if that happens.

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On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 21:11:36 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 11/02/2022 7:34 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 11/2/22 5:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> You need to get out more. Head into some of the more "bogun" areas in
>>> any state and you'll find no end of 30 year old Commodores still in
>>> daily use. Ask our resident Wesrtrayan dickhead all about that :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Still plenty of bogans willing to spend their cash on old Commodores,
>> son just sold his VX SS sedan for a very healthy profit.
>> He bought it a couple of years ago as an investment, had it detailed
>> including ceramic coating then just parked in his factory.
>
> Nice. A friend of mine has a VY SS...

I believe you Fraudster. Honest.

snip rest of Convenient Friend Anecdote.

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On 12/02/2022 5:22 am, alvey wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 21:11:36 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 11/02/2022 7:34 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 11/2/22 5:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> You need to get out more. Head into some of the more "bogun" areas in
>>>> any state and you'll find no end of 30 year old Commodores still in
>>>> daily use. Ask our resident Wesrtrayan dickhead all about that :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Still plenty of bogans willing to spend their cash on old Commodores,
>>> son just sold his VX SS sedan for a very healthy profit.
>>> He bought it a couple of years ago as an investment, had it detailed
>>> including ceramic coating then just parked in his factory.
>> Nice. A friend of mine has a VY SS...
> I believe you Fraudster. Honest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE

:)

>
> snip rest of Convenient Friend Anecdote.
>
>
>
> alvey
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 07:29:35 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE

Call that funny?

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On 12/02/2022 8:15 am, alvey wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 07:29:35 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE
> Call that funny?

they are all trying to outdo each other, in similitude to some here.
when someone posts a story, someone else has a bigger and better example.

>
>
> alvey
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On 11/02/2022 11:00 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 11/2/22 9:09 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> They'll take massive hit certainly, but there will always be a need
>> for oil. EV's will get a great many IC powered cars off the road, but
>> heavy transport, aviation and shipping is another story.
>>
>>
> Aviation, shipping and long haul trains are going to end up as the
> biggest users of fossil fuels, just a guess but I think heavy trucks
> will use a combination of hydrogen fuel cells and batteries.
> Not easy to find data but from what I did find is that fuel used by
> light vehicles is very approx 50% of the total consumed so a big hit to
> Middle Eastern back pockets.

Absolutely.

> I'm just speculating but its possible that if cars in some countries
> such as the US no longer used petrol or diesel then what oil they
> produce themselves might be enough to dramatically reduce reliance on
> imports, its certainly going to change the world economy if that happens.

And that may be the biggest bonus of all.

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On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 09:04:21 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 12/02/2022 8:15 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 07:29:35 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE
>> Call that funny?
>
> they are all trying to outdo each other, in similitude to some here.
> when someone posts a story, someone else has a bigger and better example.

Call that a post?

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On 11/02/2022 6:09 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 11/2/2022 7:27 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 11/2/22 5:40 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 10/02/2022 9:01 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 9/2/22 3:18 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 9/02/2022 1:14 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 8:53 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 8:57 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/2/22 5:24 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 1:22 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/game-changing-4680-battery-goes-into-production/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **Li-Ion batteries, as I have stated many times, is merely a
>>>>>>>>> short term, interim step for BEVs. Al-Ion batteries will sweep
>>>>>>>>> away all otehr battery technologies. Some VERY interesting
>>>>>>>>> developments right here in OZ:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://graphenemg.com/energy-storage-solutions/aluminum-ion-battery/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Problem will be if and when that new battery tech comes on line
>>>>>>>> what to do with all the old batteries, eventually someone will
>>>>>>>> figure out how to recycle but until then old batteries will be
>>>>>>>> as big problem than nuclear waste.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **We have to figure out what to do with ALL batteries. Li-Ion,
>>>>>>> NiMH, NiCd, alkaline, etc. All are problematic. As big a problem
>>>>>>> as nuclear waste? Not even remotely close. You are engaged in
>>>>>>> either gross hyperbole or you have zero idea of just how
>>>>>>> dangerous nuclear waste really is. Thing is this: Al-Ion
>>>>>>> batteries are far less of a problem, compared to Li-Ion
>>>>>>> batteries. A point which will accelerate their development.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IMHO battery electric vehicles are no where near as "green" as
>>>>>>>> their promoters would like us to believe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Depends. Burning fossil fuels is killing the planet. Disposing
>>>>>>> of batteries is a local problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It doesn't "depend" at all. An enormous amount of resources go
>>>>>> into building an electric vehicle, the electricity used to charge
>>>>>> them has an environmental cost associated with it and then EV's
>>>>>> have a relatively short viable service life and have significant
>>>>>> environmental impact at end of life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to save the environment you would have less
>>>>>> environmental impact driving some old IC car around for 30 years
>>>>>> instead of buying a new EV every 5-10 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **Those comments are applicable TODAY and in Australia. They may
>>>>> not be applicable in the near future and certainly not in all
>>>>> places. In any case, it really doesn't matter. Australia doesn't
>>>>> build cars. Since the companies that do are phasing out IC cars, we
>>>>> will have little choice in what we can purchase.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes and no, no one is compelled to buy a new car.
>>>
>>> Depends where you live, in Japan, the cost of keeping a car on the
>>> road is deliberately made more each year until after 7 years or so it
>>> is uneconomical to do so. That is why Japanese scrap yards look like
>>> Australian second hand car yards, and it is economical to ship older
>>> Japanese cars abroad.
>>
>> I wasn't thinking about OS, plenty of old cars still on the roads in
>> Australia.
>
> What happens OS may well happen here. anyway, there aren't as many old
> cars on the roads as you may think.
>
> Average age of all vehicles registered in Australia was 10.1 years,
> unchanged since 2015. Tasmanian vehicles reported the oldest average age
> at 12.8 years, whilst the Northern Territory and Australian Capital
> Territory had the youngest fleet with an average age of 9.4 years.
>
>  Motor Vehicle Census, Australia, 31 Jan 2018
>
> https://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/9309.0Main+Features131%20Jan%202018?OpenDocument=
>
>
>> What happens in Japan is about Govt policy that forces people to but
>> new cars to prop up their car industry, not whether or not IC cars can
>> last 30yrs.
>
> IC engines are good for 10-15 years or an average of 200k kilometres.
> When the engines are worn out, they generally have many other components
> similarly worn out so repairs, and maintenance, will exceed the value of
> the car. That alone makes a new car better value.
>

I think that's nonsense. There is no reason a modern well maintained
petrol engine can't do 400,000km or last 20+ years without any major
problems or expenses that cost more than the depreciation hit on a new
car in the first few years (under normal circumstances, COVID has
flipped that on it's head). There are exceptions but out here in the
regions 200,000km is considered nothing.

> Case in point, my mate has been visiting us from Melbourne. He bought a
> new car just before the Covid hit in 2019. Has a Mazda 2 to replace his
> old Daewoo. Daewoo had 250K kilometres up and was getting expensive to
> run and keep on the road though it has to be said it has been a reliable
> beast. He came up here in 2016 in that car with no hassles. He tells me
> the Mazda uses way less petrol than his Daewoo so he is saving money on
> that alone. He didn't realise just how much less fuel his new car uses
> until now since this 3,000K round trip is the first long run his new car
> has had since those Victorian lockdowns.
>

My dad bought a Daewoo Cielo, the cheapest POS you could buy at the time
solely to run up and down to work in Perth. He did nearly 500,000km in
that thing. Always serviced on time the only costs apart from regular
service items and running costs were two head gaskets which the Family
II was renowned for (but a cheap fix) otherwise it never let him down.

My old VR did 400,000 and I probably spend about $500 (admittedly at
trade) outside of regular service items in total over the time I had it
on rotors, a radiator and a balancer.

>> I do agree though with your point about not needing to import oil,
>> that alone is probably the best argument in favour of EV's, the Middle
>> East going back to being a worthless desert and no longer holding the
>> rest of the world to ransom can only be a good thing.
>
>

They're used to a certain lifestyle. You can expect trouble in that
region if the rug is pulled out from under them.

On 12/02/2022 9:36 am, alvey wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 09:04:21 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> On 12/02/2022 8:15 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 07:29:35 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE
>>> Call that funny?
>> they are all trying to outdo each other, in similitude to some here.
>> when someone posts a story, someone else has a bigger and better example.
> Call that a post?
>

it's an explanation of why I posted the video.

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On 12/02/2022 2:22 am, alvey wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 21:11:36 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 11/02/2022 7:34 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 11/2/22 5:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> You need to get out more. Head into some of the more "bogun" areas in
>>>> any state and you'll find no end of 30 year old Commodores still in
>>>> daily use. Ask our resident Wesrtrayan dickhead all about that :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Still plenty of bogans willing to spend their cash on old Commodores,
>>> son just sold his VX SS sedan for a very healthy profit.
>>> He bought it a couple of years ago as an investment, had it detailed
>>> including ceramic coating then just parked in his factory.
>>
>> Nice. A friend of mine has a VY SS...
>
> I believe you Fraudster. Honest.
>

He's inventing scenarios solely as a launchpad for bashing Commodores
and is having a crack at every model because he thinks I own some kind
of V8 Commodore. Typical sociopathic behaviour, nothing new there.

I think the only one I have actually mentioned is a VF SS with 30,000km
on the clock.

In any event - if all the Commodores *he* services are so problematic
there is one common issue between all of them... the pretend "mechanic"
working on them.

On 12/02/2022 8:08 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 12/02/2022 9:36 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 09:04:21 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/02/2022 8:15 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 07:29:35 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE
>>>> Call that funny?
>>> they are all trying to outdo each other, in similitude to some here.
>>> when someone posts a story, someone else has a bigger and better
>>> example.
>> Call that a post?
>>
>
> it's an explanation of why I posted the video.
>
>

Call that an explanation?

He's having a lend, like in the video!

Of course it's funny.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 11:08:46 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 12/02/2022 9:36 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 09:04:21 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> On 12/02/2022 8:15 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 07:29:35 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE
>>>> Call that funny?
>>> they are all trying to outdo each other, in similitude to some here.
>>> when someone posts a story, someone else has a bigger and better example.
>> Call that a post?
>>
>
> it's an explanation of why I posted the video.

Call that an explanation?

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On 11/02/2022 5:52 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 11/2/2022 5:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 11/02/2022 5:31 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>> When people compare IC engine cars to electric, and conclude the EVs
>>> have a higher environmental impact, they only consider the burning of
>>> petrol in the IC car. They don't consider the energy used and
>>> pollution produced in :
>>>
>>> Pumping the oil out of the ground.
>>> Transporting the oil to the refinery.
>>> Refining the oil into petrol (refineries are major energy users and
>>> produce a lot of pollution)
>>> Transporting the petrol by sea in ships burning heavy bunker oil
>>> Transporting the petrol by truck out to the service station.
>>>
>>> Those may even exceed to problems caused burning the petrol in the IC
>>> engines.
>>
>> They may do, but you'll never know.
>>
>>> Another bonus using electricity is that it doesn't need to be
>>> imported, so helping the countries balance of trade.
>>
>> It would depend on how you generate your electricity.
>>
>>>> If you want to save the environment you would have less
>>>> environmental impact driving some old IC car around for 30 years
>>>> instead of buying a new EV every 5-10 years.
>>>
>>> Not many IC cars see out 30 years of service.
>>
>> You need to get out more. Head into some of the more "bogun" areas in
>> any state and you'll find no end of 30 year old Commodores still in
>> daily use. Ask our resident Wesrtrayan dickhead all about that :)
>>
> More pertinent, ask the Victorian dickhead up on Merrimu Mesa about
> that. Plenty of bogunmobiles on the mesa and even a wrecking yard just
> over the way to *source them* from.
>
>

Aside from the typically bogan rubbish he owns, putting the son he
doesn't care enough about to put a seat belt on in an inherently unsafe
"truck" defines him.

On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 08:21:29 +0800, Clocky wrote:

> On 12/02/2022 2:22 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 21:11:36 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/02/2022 7:34 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 11/2/22 5:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You need to get out more. Head into some of the more "bogun" areas in
>>>>> any state and you'll find no end of 30 year old Commodores still in
>>>>> daily use. Ask our resident Wesrtrayan dickhead all about that :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Still plenty of bogans willing to spend their cash on old Commodores,
>>>> son just sold his VX SS sedan for a very healthy profit.
>>>> He bought it a couple of years ago as an investment, had it detailed
>>>> including ceramic coating then just parked in his factory.
>>>
>>> Nice. A friend of mine has a VY SS...
>>
>> I believe you Fraudster. Honest.
>>
>
> He's inventing scenarios solely as a launchpad for bashing Commodores
> and is having a crack at every model because he thinks I own some kind
> of V8 Commodore. Typical sociopathic behaviour, nothing new there.
>
> I think the only one I have actually mentioned is a VF SS with 30,000km
> on the clock.
>
> In any event - if all the Commodores *he* services are so problematic
> there is one common issue between all of them... the pretend "mechanic"
> working on them.

Meh. Why bother?
You've only got to recall what the Fraudster is currently driving, and his
gruesome car history, both real and imagined (I mean, Jaysus! The Bumhole
Bogan can't even claim a decent *fake* car!), to realise what his opinion
is worth.

alvey

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On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 08:23:19 +0800, Clocky wrote:

> On 12/02/2022 8:08 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 12/02/2022 9:36 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 09:04:21 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/02/2022 8:15 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 07:29:35 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE
>>>>> Call that funny?
>>>> they are all trying to outdo each other, in similitude to some here.
>>>> when someone posts a story, someone else has a bigger and better
>>>> example.
>>> Call that a post?
>>>
>>
>> it's an explanation of why I posted the video.
>>
>
> Call that an explanation?
>
> He's having a lend, like in the video!
>
> Of course it's funny.

Of course it is.

And did you know that it was first written and performed by 'At Last The
1948 Show'? Brooke-Taylor, Cleese, Feldman & Chapman. Defying the odds,
Cleese, who I think was the oldest, is the only survivor.

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On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:52:24 +1100, Xeno wrote:

> More pertinent, ask the Victorian dickhead up on Merrimu Mesa about
> that. Plenty of bogunmobiles on the mesa and even a wrecking yard just
> over the way to *source them* from.

I wonder if that wreckers yard increased or decreased the property values
in Bumhole (Vic)? Relatively of course. Only a buffoon would use historical
values...

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On 12/2/2022 11:07 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 11/02/2022 6:09 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 11/2/2022 7:27 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 11/2/22 5:40 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 10/02/2022 9:01 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 9/2/22 3:18 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 1:14 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 8:53 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 8:57 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 9/2/22 5:24 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/02/2022 1:22 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.drive.com.au/news/game-changing-4680-battery-goes-into-production/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **Li-Ion batteries, as I have stated many times, is merely a
>>>>>>>>>> short term, interim step for BEVs. Al-Ion batteries will sweep
>>>>>>>>>> away all otehr battery technologies. Some VERY interesting
>>>>>>>>>> developments right here in OZ:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://graphenemg.com/energy-storage-solutions/aluminum-ion-battery/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Problem will be if and when that new battery tech comes on line
>>>>>>>>> what to do with all the old batteries, eventually someone will
>>>>>>>>> figure out how to recycle but until then old batteries will be
>>>>>>>>> as big problem than nuclear waste.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **We have to figure out what to do with ALL batteries. Li-Ion,
>>>>>>>> NiMH, NiCd, alkaline, etc. All are problematic. As big a problem
>>>>>>>> as nuclear waste? Not even remotely close. You are engaged in
>>>>>>>> either gross hyperbole or you have zero idea of just how
>>>>>>>> dangerous nuclear waste really is. Thing is this: Al-Ion
>>>>>>>> batteries are far less of a problem, compared to Li-Ion
>>>>>>>> batteries. A point which will accelerate their development.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> IMHO battery electric vehicles are no where near as "green" as
>>>>>>>>> their promoters would like us to believe.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Depends. Burning fossil fuels is killing the planet. Disposing
>>>>>>>> of batteries is a local problem.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It doesn't "depend" at all. An enormous amount of resources go
>>>>>>> into building an electric vehicle, the electricity used to charge
>>>>>>> them has an environmental cost associated with it and then EV's
>>>>>>> have a relatively short viable service life and have significant
>>>>>>> environmental impact at end of life.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you want to save the environment you would have less
>>>>>>> environmental impact driving some old IC car around for 30 years
>>>>>>> instead of buying a new EV every 5-10 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Those comments are applicable TODAY and in Australia. They may
>>>>>> not be applicable in the near future and certainly not in all
>>>>>> places. In any case, it really doesn't matter. Australia doesn't
>>>>>> build cars. Since the companies that do are phasing out IC cars,
>>>>>> we will have little choice in what we can purchase.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes and no, no one is compelled to buy a new car.
>>>>
>>>> Depends where you live, in Japan, the cost of keeping a car on the
>>>> road is deliberately made more each year until after 7 years or so
>>>> it is uneconomical to do so. That is why Japanese scrap yards look
>>>> like Australian second hand car yards, and it is economical to ship
>>>> older Japanese cars abroad.
>>>
>>> I wasn't thinking about OS, plenty of old cars still on the roads in
>>> Australia.
>>
>> What happens OS may well happen here. anyway, there aren't as many old
>> cars on the roads as you may think.
>>
>> Average age of all vehicles registered in Australia was 10.1 years,
>> unchanged since 2015. Tasmanian vehicles reported the oldest average
>> age at 12.8 years, whilst the Northern Territory and Australian
>> Capital Territory had the youngest fleet with an average age of 9.4
>> years.
>>
>>   Motor Vehicle Census, Australia, 31 Jan 2018
>>
>> https://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/9309.0Main+Features131%20Jan%202018?OpenDocument=
>>
>>
>>> What happens in Japan is about Govt policy that forces people to but
>>> new cars to prop up their car industry, not whether or not IC cars
>>> can last 30yrs.
>>
>> IC engines are good for 10-15 years or an average of 200k kilometres.
>> When the engines are worn out, they generally have many other
>> components similarly worn out so repairs, and maintenance, will exceed
>> the value of the car. That alone makes a new car better value.
>>
>
> I think that's nonsense. There is no reason a modern well maintained
> petrol engine can't do 400,000km or last 20+ years without any major
> problems or expenses that cost more than the depreciation hit on a new
> car in the first few years (under normal circumstances, COVID has
> flipped that on it's head). There are exceptions but out here in the
> regions 200,000km is considered nothing.

You need to make allowances for brands like *Nissan* that bring the
average down.
>
>> Case in point, my mate has been visiting us from Melbourne. He bought
>> a new car just before the Covid hit in 2019. Has a Mazda 2 to replace
>> his old Daewoo. Daewoo had 250K kilometres up and was getting
>> expensive to run and keep on the road though it has to be said it has
>> been a reliable beast. He came up here in 2016 in that car with no
>> hassles. He tells me the Mazda uses way less petrol than his Daewoo so
>> he is saving money on that alone. He didn't realise just how much less
>> fuel his new car uses until now since this 3,000K round trip is the
>> first long run his new car has had since those Victorian lockdowns.
>>
>
> My dad bought a Daewoo Cielo, the cheapest POS you could buy at the time
> solely to run up and down to work in Perth. He did nearly 500,000km in
> that thing. Always serviced on time the only costs apart from regular
> service items and running costs were two head gaskets which the Family
> II was renowned for (but a cheap fix) otherwise it never let him down.
>
> My old VR did 400,000 and I probably spend about $500 (admittedly at
> trade) outside of regular service items in total over the time I had it
> on rotors, a radiator and a balancer.
>
>>> I do agree though with your point about not needing to import oil,
>>> that alone is probably the best argument in favour of EV's, the
>>> Middle East going back to being a worthless desert and no longer
>>> holding the rest of the world to ransom can only be a good thing.
>>
>>
>
> They're used to a certain lifestyle. You can expect trouble in that
> region if the rug is pulled out from under them.
>

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 12/2/2022 11:21 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 12/02/2022 2:22 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 21:11:36 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>> On 11/02/2022 7:34 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 11/2/22 5:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You need to get out more. Head into some of the more "bogun" areas in
>>>>> any state and you'll find no end of 30 year old Commodores still in
>>>>> daily use. Ask our resident Wesrtrayan dickhead all about that :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Still plenty of bogans willing to spend their cash on old Commodores,
>>>> son just sold his VX SS sedan for a very healthy profit.
>>>> He bought it a couple of years ago as an investment, had it detailed
>>>> including ceramic coating then just parked in his factory.
>>>
>>> Nice. A friend of mine has a VY SS...
>>
>> I believe you Fraudster. Honest.
>>
>
> He's inventing scenarios solely as a launchpad for bashing Commodores
> and is having a crack at every model because he thinks I own some kind
> of V8 Commodore. Typical sociopathic behaviour, nothing new there.
>
> I think the only one I have actually mentioned is a VF SS with 30,000km
> on the clock.
>
> In any event - if all the Commodores *he* services are so problematic
> there is one common issue between all of them... the pretend "mechanic"
> working on them.
>
>
+1 to that! LOL

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Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 12/2/2022 11:49 am, alvey wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:52:24 +1100, Xeno wrote:
>
>
>> More pertinent, ask the Victorian dickhead up on Merrimu Mesa about
>> that. Plenty of bogunmobiles on the mesa and even a wrecking yard just
>> over the way to *source them* from.
>
> I wonder if that wreckers yard increased or decreased the property values
> in Bumhole (Vic)? Relatively of course. Only a buffoon would use historical
> values...
>
>
>
> alvey
>
It doesn't matter. I wouldn't want to live near *any wrecking yard*
regardless of what it did to property values. It means his area is
*industrial*.

--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 11/02/2022 4:39 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 11/2/22 4:28 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 11/02/2022 3:01 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 11/2/22 2:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Maybe. Those look exactly the same as a local company retrofitted
>>>>> to their fleet only to have to replace them within months due to
>>>>> high LED driver failure rates because they could not dissipate heat
>>>>> quick enough. Obviously it's application dependent so YMMV.
>>>>
>>>> **They may LOOK exactly the same, but I can assure you that there
>>>> are differences. As I found, to my cost. The first set I purchased
>>>> had a fault in one lamp. I ordered another, more expensive set. When
>>>> they arrived, I put them on the bench and measured the light output
>>>> on my light meter. The more expensive set cost about 30% more, were
>>>> far better finished and constructed (copper heat sinking) and
>>>> delivered around 70% more light! Well worth spending a few extra
>>>> Bucks. Which I why I specified the Novsight brand. They are clearly
>>>> a superior product. Critically, the ones to avoid are the ones that
>>>> DON'T use an external driver. The ones that employ a built-in driver
>>>> are problematic, because the fan has to cool and LED assembly and
>>>> the driver.
>>>
>>> These are what I fitted to the Golf.
>>> https://www.stedi.com.au/copper-head-h15-led-head-light-conversion-kit.html
>>>
>>> So far they work very well, as I said not easy to fit and the copper
>>> heat sinks take up lots of space but I still managed to get it all
>>> inside the housing and fit the cover.
>>>
>>
>> **I prefer fan cooling. Smaller and far more efficient at keeping the
>> LEDs cool. A fan can increase the efficiency of a heat sink by more
>> than 10 times.
>
>
> No way LED with fans would fit the Golf.
> The Stedi website states that they use copper "belts" to get rid of heat
> instead of fans because many cars don't have the space for aftermarket
> fan type LED's.
>
>
IBM did away with fans in the 1980s and replaced them with AMUs (Air
Movement Devices).

On 12/02/2022 9:01 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 12/2/2022 11:49 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:52:24 +1100, Xeno wrote:
>>
>>
>>> More pertinent, ask the Victorian dickhead up on Merrimu Mesa about
>>> that. Plenty of bogunmobiles on the mesa and even a wrecking yard just
>>> over the way to *source them* from.
>>
>> I wonder if that wreckers yard increased or decreased the property values
>> in Bumhole (Vic)? Relatively of course. Only a buffoon would use
>> historical
>> values...
>>
>>
>>
>> alvey
>>
> It doesn't matter. I wouldn't want to live near *any wrecking yard*
> regardless of what it did to property values. It means his area is
> *industrial*.
>

There are no wrecking yards or proposed toxic waste dumps near here
but... our local beach just got voted the 2022 Best Beach in Australia.

So that's something I suppose :-)

On 12/02/2022 11:23 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 12/02/2022 8:08 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 12/02/2022 9:36 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 09:04:21 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 12/02/2022 8:15 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 07:29:35 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE
>>>>> Call that funny?
>>>> they are all trying to outdo each other, in similitude to some here.
>>>> when someone posts a story, someone else has a bigger and better
>>>> example.
>>> Call that a post?
>>>
>>
>> it's an explanation of why I posted the video.
>>
>>
>
> Call that an explanation?
>
> He's having a lend, like in the video!
>
> Of course it's funny.
>

Oh i get it. I thought he was having a go at me, lol

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the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

On 12/02/2022 11:46 am, alvey wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 08:23:19 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>
>> On 12/02/2022 8:08 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 12/02/2022 9:36 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 09:04:21 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/02/2022 8:15 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 07:29:35 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ue7wM0QC5LE
>>>>>> Call that funny?
>>>>> they are all trying to outdo each other, in similitude to some here.
>>>>> when someone posts a story, someone else has a bigger and better
>>>>> example.
>>>> Call that a post?
>>>>
>>> it's an explanation of why I posted the video.
>>>
>> Call that an explanation?
>>
>> He's having a lend, like in the video!
>>
>> Of course it's funny.
> Of course it is.
>
> And did you know that it was first written and performed by 'At Last The
> 1948 Show'? Brooke-Taylor, Cleese, Feldman & Chapman. Defying the odds,
> Cleese, who I think was the oldest, is the only survivor.
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKHFZBUTA4k

>
> alvey
>

--
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"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

On 12/02/2022 12:32 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 12/02/2022 9:01 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 12/2/2022 11:49 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:52:24 +1100, Xeno wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> More pertinent, ask the Victorian dickhead up on Merrimu Mesa about
>>>> that. Plenty of bogunmobiles on the mesa and even a wrecking yard just
>>>> over the way to *source them* from.
>>>
>>> I wonder if that wreckers yard increased or decreased the property
>>> values
>>> in Bumhole (Vic)? Relatively of course. Only a buffoon would use
>>> historical
>>> values...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> alvey
>>>
>> It doesn't matter. I wouldn't want to live near *any wrecking yard*
>> regardless of what it did to property values. It means his area is
>> *industrial*.
>>
>
>
> There are no wrecking yards or proposed toxic waste dumps near here
> but... our local beach just got voted the 2022 Best Beach in Australia.
>
> So that's something I suppose :-)

and surprising

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the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

On 12/02/2022 10:31 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 12/02/2022 12:32 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 12/02/2022 9:01 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 12/2/2022 11:49 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 20:52:24 +1100, Xeno wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> More pertinent, ask the Victorian dickhead up on Merrimu Mesa about
>>>>> that. Plenty of bogunmobiles on the mesa and even a wrecking yard just
>>>>> over the way to *source them* from.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if that wreckers yard increased or decreased the property
>>>> values
>>>> in Bumhole (Vic)? Relatively of course. Only a buffoon would use
>>>> historical
>>>> values...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> alvey
>>>>
>>> It doesn't matter. I wouldn't want to live near *any wrecking yard*
>>> regardless of what it did to property values. It means his area is
>>> *industrial*.
>>>
>>
>>
>> There are no wrecking yards or proposed toxic waste dumps near here
>> but... our local beach just got voted the 2022 Best Beach in Australia.
>>
>> So that's something I suppose :-)
>
>
> and surprising
>

Not at all to us :-)