On Tue, 09 Jan 2024 04:04:33 +1100, Max Demian <max_demian@bigfoot.com>
wrote:

> On 08/01/2024 16:40, Rod Speed wrote:
>> On Tue, 09 Jan 2024 00:12:01 +1100, Clive Arthur
>> <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 08/01/2024 12:45, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 08/01/2024 12:34, Clive Arthur wrote:
>>>>> On 08/01/2024 11:49, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>>>>> Of course it /can/ be, as are many words used by the layman.
>>>>> However, when pontificating ("MOT type 1, blinded with sand and a
>>>>> inch or two of gravel and tar on top") in a semi-technical newsgroup
>>>>> it's best to be accurate.
>>>>>
>>>> It *is* accurate. Tar is not 'coal tar'
>>>
>>> You see, when I queried the common but incorrect use of 'tar' in the
>>> context of road construction, what most people (even Speed, sort of,
>>> grudgingly) would say something along the lines of, "I didn't know
>>> that, interesting."
>> I didnt say that. I actually said that the turnip was
>> not making a distinction between tar and bitumen
>> and he has now said that very explicity.
>>
>>> But a TurNiP can never admit error.
>> He was not making an error, just not making a distinction
>> between tar and bitumen. Even our road engineers do that
>> too, calling it a tar seal when in fact bitumen is used.
>
> OK. So what is "pitch"?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pitch_(resin)

Andrew <Andrew97d@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 08/01/2024 11:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 07/01/2024 19:17, Clive Arthur wrote:
>>> On 07/01/2024 09:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Standard is MOT type 1, blinded with sand and a inch or two of gravel
>>>> and tar on top
>>>
>>> Don't think tar is used much nowadays.
>>>
>>
>> What do you think that fucking black shit is, then?
>>
>>
> Malaena Stool. You need to see your GP PDQ
>

Melaena. Get your shit right. ;-)

Tim

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On Tue, 09 Jan 2024 08:08:23 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

<FLUSH the abnormal trolling senile cretin's latest trollshit unread>

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On Fri, 5 Jan 2024 10:28:34 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On 05/01/2024 10:24, maus wrote:
>> On 2024-01-05, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 05/01/2024 09:56, Jethro_uk wrote:
>>>> I recently read a suggestion that some potholes in the UK may be due to
>>>> the action of EV acceleration.
>>>>
>>>> If true it's a good reason to tax them more.
>>>
>>> How many potholes? Unless you can put figures on the cost of repair, you
>>> have no idea how much extra to tax them. It could just be a fraction of
>>> a penny.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> We do not even know what causes potholes. Problems with the subtarmac
>> surface?.
>>
>>
>You may not. Some of us do.
Of course you're not going to share your knowledge maintaining your
superiority.
--
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On 08/01/2024 23:24, Dave W wrote:
> On Fri, 5 Jan 2024 10:28:34 +0000, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 05/01/2024 10:24, maus wrote:
>>> On 2024-01-05, GB <NOTsomeone@microsoft.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 05/01/2024 09:56, Jethro_uk wrote:
>>>>> I recently read a suggestion that some potholes in the UK may be due to
>>>>> the action of EV acceleration.
>>>>>
>>>>> If true it's a good reason to tax them more.
>>>>
>>>> How many potholes? Unless you can put figures on the cost of repair, you
>>>> have no idea how much extra to tax them. It could just be a fraction of
>>>> a penny.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> We do not even know what causes potholes. Problems with the subtarmac
>>> surface?.
>>>
>>>
>> You may not. Some of us do.
>
> Of course you're not going to share your knowledge maintaining your
> superiority.

Yawn. What do you think this thread has been about?

If you fail to learn from what has been posted, there is nothing I can
tell you that will help

--
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higher education positively fortifies it."

- Stephen Vizinczey

Jethro_uk wrote:

> I recently read a suggestion that some potholes in the UK may be due to
> the action of EV acceleration.

Is that why the "tyre extinguishers" are now targetting EVs as well as
ICE SUVs?

<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-67893216>

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Jethro_uk wrote:
>
>> I recently read a suggestion that some potholes in the UK may be due to
>> the action of EV acceleration.
>
> Is that why the "tyre extinguishers" are now targetting EVs as well as
> ICE SUVs?
>
> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-67893216>

Linked in the above url:

<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-66867300>

“A university has become the first in the UK to introduce a climate
emergency course, following a campaign by students.
The online course is being piloted at the University of the West of
England.”

--
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On 09/01/2024 10:41, Spike wrote:
> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> Jethro_uk wrote:
>>
>>> I recently read a suggestion that some potholes in the UK may be due to
>>> the action of EV acceleration.
>>
>> Is that why the "tyre extinguishers" are now targetting EVs as well as
>> ICE SUVs?
>>
>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-67893216>
>
> Linked in the above url:
>
> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-66867300>
>
> “A university has become the first in the UK to introduce a climate
> emergency course, following a campaign by students.
> The online course is being piloted at the University of the West of
> England.”
>
What if they find there is no climate emergency, after all?

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― Jean Claud Jüncker

The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 09/01/2024 10:41, Spike wrote:
>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>> Jethro_uk wrote:
>>>
>>>> I recently read a suggestion that some potholes in the UK may be due to
>>>> the action of EV acceleration.
>>>
>>> Is that why the "tyre extinguishers" are now targetting EVs as well as
>>> ICE SUVs?
>>>
>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-67893216>
>>
>> Linked in the above url:
>>
>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-66867300>
>>
>> “A university has become the first in the UK to introduce a climate
>> emergency course, following a campaign by students.
>> The online course is being piloted at the University of the West of
>> England.”
>>
> What if they find there is no climate emergency, after all?

What has reality got to do with the climate-change industry? ;-)

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On 09/01/2024 10:50, Spike wrote:
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 09/01/2024 10:41, Spike wrote:
>>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>> Jethro_uk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I recently read a suggestion that some potholes in the UK may be due to
>>>>> the action of EV acceleration.
>>>>
>>>> Is that why the "tyre extinguishers" are now targetting EVs as well as
>>>> ICE SUVs?
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-67893216>
>>>
>>> Linked in the above url:
>>>
>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-66867300>
>>>
>>> “A university has become the first in the UK to introduce a climate
>>> emergency course, following a campaign by students.
>>> The online course is being piloted at the University of the West of
>>> England.”
>>>
>> What if they find there is no climate emergency, after all?
>
> What has reality got to do with the climate-change industry? ;-)
>
Fair point....:-)

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people by telling poor people that "other" rich people are the reason
they are poor.

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On 08/01/2024 11:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 07/01/2024 19:17, Clive Arthur wrote:
>> On 07/01/2024 09:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> Standard is MOT type 1, blinded with sand and a inch or two of gravel
>>> and tar on top
>>
>> Don't think tar is used much nowadays.
>>
>
> What do you think that fucking black shit is, then?

Meconium if you're very young.

--
Max Demian

On 09/01/2024 12:51, Max Demian wrote:
> On 08/01/2024 11:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 07/01/2024 19:17, Clive Arthur wrote:
>>> On 07/01/2024 09:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Standard is MOT type 1, blinded with sand and a inch or two of
>>>> gravel and tar on top
>>>
>>> Don't think tar is used much nowadays.
>>>
>>
>> What do you think that fucking black shit is, then?
>
> Meconium if you're very young.
>
That's green, not black.

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Mark Twain

On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 11:06:46 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 09/01/2024 10:50, Spike wrote:
> > The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 09/01/2024 10:41, Spike wrote:
> >>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> >>>> Jethro_uk wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I recently read a suggestion that some potholes in the UK may
> >>>>> be due to the action of EV acceleration.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is that why the "tyre extinguishers" are now targetting EVs as
> >>>> well as ICE SUVs?
> >>>>
> >>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-67893216>
> >>>
> >>> Linked in the above url:
> >>>
> >>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-66867300>
> >>>
> >>> “A university has become the first in the UK to introduce a
> >>> climate emergency course, following a campaign by students.
> >>> The online course is being piloted at the University of the West
> >>> of England.”
> >>>
> >> What if they find there is no climate emergency, after all?
> >
> > What has reality got to do with the climate-change industry? ;-)
> >
> Fair point....:-)
>

# Keep spendin' most our lives livin' in the righttard's paradise

On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 10:44:10 +0000
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> On 09/01/2024 10:41, Spike wrote:
> > Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> >> Jethro_uk wrote:
> >>
> >>> I recently read a suggestion that some potholes in the UK may be
> >>> due to the action of EV acceleration.
> >>
> >> Is that why the "tyre extinguishers" are now targetting EVs as
> >> well as ICE SUVs?
> >>
> >> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-67893216>
> >
> > Linked in the above url:
> >
> > <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-66867300>
> >
> > “A university has become the first in the UK to introduce a climate
> > emergency course, following a campaign by students.
> > The online course is being piloted at the University of the West of
> > England.”
> >
> What if they find there is no climate emergency, after all?
>
>

Somehow I have a feeling that isn't what they will find.

--
Joe

On 9 Jan 2024 at 19:58:42, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 10:44:10 +0000
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 09/01/2024 10:41, Spike wrote:
>> > Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> >> Jethro_uk wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I recently read a suggestion that some potholes in the UK may be
>> >>> due to the action of EV acceleration.
>> >>
>> >> Is that why the "tyre extinguishers" are now targetting EVs as
>> >> well as ICE SUVs?
>> >>
>> >> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-67893216>
>> >
>> > Linked in the above url:
>> >
>> > <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-66867300>
>> >
>> > "A university has become the first in the UK to introduce a climate
>> > emergency course, following a campaign by students.
>> > The online course is being piloted at the University of the West of
>> > England."
>> >
>> What if they find there is no climate emergency, after all?
>>
>>
>
> Somehow I have a feeling that isn't what they will find.

You realize you're talking to his arse?
(His head is deep in the sand)

On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 19:58:42 +0000, Joe <joe@jretrading.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 10:44:10 +0000
>The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 09/01/2024 10:41, Spike wrote:
>> > Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> >> Jethro_uk wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> I recently read a suggestion that some potholes in the UK may be
>> >>> due to the action of EV acceleration.
>> >>
>> >> Is that why the "tyre extinguishers" are now targetting EVs as
>> >> well as ICE SUVs?
>> >>
>> >> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-67893216>
>> >
>> > Linked in the above url:
>> >
>> > <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-66867300>
>> >
>> > “A university has become the first in the UK to introduce a climate
>> > emergency course, following a campaign by students.
>> > The online course is being piloted at the University of the West of
>> > England.”
>> >
>> What if they find there is no climate emergency, after all?
>>
>>
>
>Somehow I have a feeling that isn't what they will find.

Of course they won't. It's not in their interests to do otherwise.
Their jobs depend in part on there being a climate emergency.

--
Chris

On 06/01/2024 20:19, Colin Bignell wrote:

>
> The top layer on British roads is simply there to take wear. The much
> thicker layer below that is also waterproof, either asphalt or concrete,
> and the compacted MOT* is below that.

Around my way proper road resurfacing appears to be to remove the
surface almost down to the underlying MOT and then replace with a single
layer of thick tarmac. The half arsed way of resurfacing is to spray a
layer of tar, sprinkle with some stone chips and maybe use a roller to
bed them in. Wait a few days for vehicles to wear this new road surface
back to the original (with a 10mph speed limit) and then come along with
a mechanised road sweeper and collect 90% of the the new road chippings :(

A properly installed tarmac domestic driveways or public pavements may
be two tarmac layers. MOT then a layer of tarmac with larger aggregate
(smaller than the MOT) then a tarmac layer with smaller aggregate? When
subject to loading they probably act as a single bonded entity rather
than two separate layers. If they acted as two separate layers one could
float on top of the other with water ingress.

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On 09/01/2024 19:58, Joe wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Jan 2024 10:44:10 +0000
> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 09/01/2024 10:41, Spike wrote:
>>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>> Jethro_uk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I recently read a suggestion that some potholes in the UK may be
>>>>> due to the action of EV acceleration.
>>>>
>>>> Is that why the "tyre extinguishers" are now targetting EVs as
>>>> well as ICE SUVs?
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-67893216>
>>>
>>> Linked in the above url:
>>>
>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-66867300>
>>>
>>> “A university has become the first in the UK to introduce a climate
>>> emergency course, following a campaign by students.
>>> The online course is being piloted at the University of the West of
>>> England.”
>>>
>> What if they find there is no climate emergency, after all?
>>
>>
>
> Somehow I have a feeling that isn't what they will find.
>

Well no, because the department would have no reason to exist if they did.

Money trumps truth these days

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to converts. It is deception that uses all the other techniques.

On 07/01/2024 13:21, Colin Bignell wrote:

> I was able to see the structure of my road, built in 1931, when they
> laid new gas mains. It has four inches of unreinforced concrete as the
> main road layer.

I wonder if that was the original road surface? In many areas where
concrete road slabs cracked up with heavy loads they bit the bullet and
covered concrete roads with tarmac.

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On 08/01/2024 08:07, Chris Hogg wrote:

> What will they do for road surfacing when 'net-zero' comes along, if
> it ever does?

When "just stop oil" win there there will only be wooden wheels* on cars
so we can go back to having road surfaces of 200+ years ago.

*Or maybe not if the "stop cutting down trees" green brigade win :)

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On 08/01/2024 14:45, charles wrote:

>
> but not for the sort of vehicles that turn up at building sites ;-(
>

At one time the road was the last thing to be be built on a housing
estate. These days, by legislation, it is the first thing to be built.

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In article <l07ds3F6596U4@mid.individual.net>,
alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On 08/01/2024 14:45, charles wrote:

> >
> > but not for the sort of vehicles that turn up at building sites ;-(
> >

> At one time the road was the last thing to be be built on a housing
> estate. These days, by legislation, it is the first thing to be built.

I was thinking of the access roads to the site, not those on site.

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On 10/01/2024 11:23, alan_m wrote:
> On 07/01/2024 13:21, Colin Bignell wrote:
>
>> I was able to see the structure of my road, built in 1931, when they
>> laid new gas mains. It has four inches of unreinforced concrete as the
>> main road layer.
>
> I wonder if that was the original road surface? In many areas where
> concrete road slabs cracked up with heavy loads they bit the bullet and
> covered concrete roads with tarmac.
>
An article on the M1 which was concrete said 'no one had built a road
that cheaply before and no one ever would again'.

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man if he has not formed any idea of them already; but the simplest
thing cannot be made clear to the most intelligent man if he is firmly
persuaded that he knows already, without a shadow of doubt, what is laid
before him."

- Leo Tolstoy

On 10/01/2024 12:08, charles wrote:
> In article <l07ds3F6596U4@mid.individual.net>,
> alan_m <junk@admac.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 08/01/2024 14:45, charles wrote:
>
>
>>>
>>> but not for the sort of vehicles that turn up at building sites ;-(
>>>
>
>> At one time the road was the last thing to be be built on a housing
>> estate. These days, by legislation, it is the first thing to be built.
>
> I was thinking of the access roads to the site, not those on site.
>
What a developer will do first is to lay down MOT Type 1 so the heavy
plant and delivery trucks can get in and out and not bog down.

What a developer will do LAST is put the finished road and driveway
surfaces down *once the heavy plant has finished*.

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On 10/01/2024 11:23, alan_m wrote:
> On 07/01/2024 13:21, Colin Bignell wrote:
>
>> I was able to see the structure of my road, built in 1931, when they
>> laid new gas mains. It has four inches of unreinforced concrete as the
>> main road layer.
>
> I wonder if that was the original road surface? In many areas where
> concrete road slabs cracked up with heavy loads they bit the bullet and
> covered concrete roads with tarmac.
>

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