On 14/02/2022 2:45 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 14/02/2022 12:17 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 14/02/2022 1:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 14/02/2022 11:52 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 14/02/2022 12:06 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 14/02/2022 8:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 9:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 7:05 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 2:19 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:29 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 9:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 5:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   See, you *can* do it without someone holding yer hand!..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be difficult for Felix to appreciate that not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the "buddies" who's arses he licks on a daily basis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give enough of a fuck about anything he has to say to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bother replying to him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What a sad cunt of a thing he is :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would be you. a hateful nasty person who offers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing but insults and abuse to anyone who isn't one of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his grovelling sycophants
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and need I even mention the irony of someone who hasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> helped criticizing others for not doing so?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's because you are in his kill file. IE He doesn't see
>>>>>>>>>>>> your posts normally. I couldn't be bothered helping as 1.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You have never taken good advice, 2. You take every
>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to snipe and abuse me that you can, and 3. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't care.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's the thing. On the occasions where he *has* asked for
>>>>>>>>>>> advice before he's carried on like the ultimate ask-hole. I
>>>>>>>>>>> even offered to help him once but he reckons I was ripping
>>>>>>>>>>> him off so he gets to go fuck himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ahh.. you must be talking about your offer to weld a rusty
>>>>>>>>>> muffler for $100, that the (real) mechanics here said was a
>>>>>>>>>> bad idea.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Consider he charges $40 p/h labour in that amateur unqualified
>>>>>>>>> shitshow of his... so how long do you reckon it would take for
>>>>>>>>> him to bodge up that exhaust?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> $100... what a fucking clown.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I took it to a legitimate exhaust place and they stopped up the
>>>>>>>> holes with some gunk for nix. they had quoted to replace the
>>>>>>>> complete exhaust, as other parts were rusting too, but at the
>>>>>>>> time I was thinking of trading the car so it wasn't worth the
>>>>>>>> cost. so the plan was just to make a temporary fix, then later
>>>>>>>> if I decided to keep the car they would replace what they needed
>>>>>>>> to in the exhaust system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "They stopped up the holes with some gunk" now there's an amateur
>>>>>>> bodge if ever there was one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> nope. it's special stuff for exhausts. missed the part about
>>>>>> taking it to a legitimate exhaust place did you?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't matter, it's still a bodge. If you are going to sell the
>>>>> vehicle and have no scruples or if you are so broke that you can't
>>>>> afford a proper job, then it's what you would do. "Fixes" like that
>>>>> are very temporary.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> read my first comment again. your remarks are superfluous
>>>>
>>> Superfluous - wow that's a big word, did you get alvey to write it
>>> out for you?
>>
>>
>> you know what Keith? you're an idiot!
>>
>
> He's losing his marbles.

I suppose that the best that can be said for you is that you're entirely
predictable.

On 14/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 14/02/2022 3:45 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 14/02/2022 12:17 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 14/02/2022 1:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 14/02/2022 11:52 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 14/02/2022 12:06 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 8:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 9:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 7:05 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 2:19 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:29 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 9:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 5:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   See, you *can* do it without someone holding yer hand!..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be difficult for Felix to appreciate that not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the "buddies" who's arses he licks on a daily basis
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give enough of a fuck about anything he has to say to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bother replying to him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What a sad cunt of a thing he is :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would be you. a hateful nasty person who offers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing but insults and abuse to anyone who isn't one of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> his grovelling sycophants
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and need I even mention the irony of someone who hasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helped criticizing others for not doing so?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's because you are in his kill file. IE He doesn't see
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your posts normally. I couldn't be bothered helping as 1.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have never taken good advice, 2. You take every
>>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to snipe and abuse me that you can, and 3. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's the thing. On the occasions where he *has* asked for
>>>>>>>>>>>> advice before he's carried on like the ultimate ask-hole. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> even offered to help him once but he reckons I was ripping
>>>>>>>>>>>> him off so he gets to go fuck himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ahh.. you must be talking about your offer to weld a rusty
>>>>>>>>>>> muffler for $100, that the (real) mechanics here said was a
>>>>>>>>>>> bad idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Consider he charges $40 p/h labour in that amateur unqualified
>>>>>>>>>> shitshow of his... so how long do you reckon it would take for
>>>>>>>>>> him to bodge up that exhaust?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> $100... what a fucking clown.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I took it to a legitimate exhaust place and they stopped up the
>>>>>>>>> holes with some gunk for nix. they had quoted to replace the
>>>>>>>>> complete exhaust, as other parts were rusting too, but at the
>>>>>>>>> time I was thinking of trading the car so it wasn't worth the
>>>>>>>>> cost. so the plan was just to make a temporary fix, then later
>>>>>>>>> if I decided to keep the car they would replace what they
>>>>>>>>> needed to in the exhaust system.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "They stopped up the holes with some gunk" now there's an
>>>>>>>> amateur bodge if ever there was one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> nope. it's special stuff for exhausts. missed the part about
>>>>>>> taking it to a legitimate exhaust place did you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doesn't matter, it's still a bodge. If you are going to sell the
>>>>>> vehicle and have no scruples or if you are so broke that you can't
>>>>>> afford a proper job, then it's what you would do. "Fixes" like
>>>>>> that are very temporary.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> read my first comment again. your remarks are superfluous
>>>>>
>>>> Superfluous - wow that's a big word, did you get alvey to write it
>>>> out for you?
>>>
>>>
>>> you know what Keith? you're an idiot!
>>>
>>
>> He's losing his marbles.
>
>
> it's kinda looking like maybe he never had any to begin with  :)
>
Little felix peeked from behind the curtain and squeaked "Me too"

On 14/02/2022 2:03 pm, Xeno wrote:
> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>> On 14/02/2022 8:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 14/02/2022 9:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 14/02/2022 7:05 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 14/02/2022 2:19 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:29 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 9:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 5:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   See, you *can* do it without someone holding yer hand!..
>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be difficult for Felix to appreciate that not even the
>>>>>>>>>>>> "buddies" who's arses he licks on a daily basis give enough of
>>>>>>>>>>>> a fuck about anything he has to say to bother replying to him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What a sad cunt of a thing he is :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that would be you. a hateful nasty person who offers nothing
>>>>>>>>>>> but insults and abuse to anyone who isn't one of his grovelling
>>>>>>>>>>> sycophants
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and need I even mention the irony of someone who hasn't helped
>>>>>>>>>> criticizing others for not doing so?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's because you are in his kill file. IE He doesn't see your
>>>>>>>>> posts normally. I couldn't be bothered helping as 1. You have
>>>>>>>>> never taken good advice, 2. You take every opportunity to snipe
>>>>>>>>> and abuse me that you can, and 3. I don't care.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's the thing. On the occasions where he *has* asked for advice
>>>>>>>> before he's carried on like the ultimate ask-hole. I even offered
>>>>>>>> to help him once but he reckons I was ripping him off so he gets
>>>>>>>> to go fuck himself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ahh.. you must be talking about your offer to weld a rusty muffler
>>>>>>> for $100, that the (real) mechanics here said was a bad idea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Consider he charges $40 p/h labour in that amateur unqualified
>>>>>> shitshow of his... so how long do you reckon it would take for him
>>>>>> to bodge up that exhaust?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $100... what a fucking clown.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I took it to a legitimate exhaust place and they stopped up the holes
>>>>> with some gunk for nix. they had quoted to replace the complete
>>>>> exhaust, as other parts were rusting too, but at the time I was
>>>>> thinking of trading the car so it wasn't worth the cost. so the plan
>>>>> was just to make a temporary fix, then later if I decided to keep the
>>>>> car they would replace what they needed to in the exhaust system.
>>>>
>>>> "They stopped up the holes with some gunk" now there's an amateur
>>>> bodge if ever there was one.
>>>>
>>>
>>> nope. it's special stuff for exhausts. missed the part about taking it
>>> to a legitimate exhaust place did you?
>>>
>> Doesn't matter, it's still a bodge. If you are going to sell the vehicle
>> and have no scruples or if you are so broke that you can't afford a
>> proper job, then it's what you would do. "Fixes" like that are very
>> temporary.
>>
>
> So is a patch welded on the outside. What most people don’t realise is that
> mufflers corrode from the inside. If you have a hole to the outside, you
> can bet your bottom dollar that the inside structural members have corroded
> away as well. Replacement is the only sure fire fix. All else is patching.
>
I agree, felix's only real option was to replace the exhaust system,
obviously he was too mean to do that and accepted the worst possible
bodge because it was free.

On 14/02/2022 2:31 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 14/02/2022 9:06 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 14/02/2022 8:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 14/02/2022 9:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 14/02/2022 7:05 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 14/02/2022 2:19 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:29 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 9:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 5:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>   See, you *can* do it without someone holding yer hand!..
>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be difficult for Felix to appreciate that not even
>>>>>>>>>>>> the "buddies" who's arses he licks on a daily basis give
>>>>>>>>>>>> enough of a fuck about anything he has to say to bother
>>>>>>>>>>>> replying to him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What a sad cunt of a thing he is :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> that would be you. a hateful nasty person who offers nothing
>>>>>>>>>>> but insults and abuse to anyone who isn't one of his
>>>>>>>>>>> grovelling sycophants
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and need I even mention the irony of someone who hasn't helped
>>>>>>>>>> criticizing others for not doing so?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's because you are in his kill file. IE He doesn't see your
>>>>>>>>> posts normally. I couldn't be bothered helping as 1. You have
>>>>>>>>> never taken good advice, 2. You take every opportunity to snipe
>>>>>>>>> and abuse me that you can, and 3. I don't care.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's the thing. On the occasions where he *has* asked for
>>>>>>>> advice before he's carried on like the ultimate ask-hole. I even
>>>>>>>> offered to help him once but he reckons I was ripping him off so
>>>>>>>> he gets to go fuck himself.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ahh.. you must be talking about your offer to weld a rusty
>>>>>>> muffler for $100, that the (real) mechanics here said was a bad
>>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Consider he charges $40 p/h labour in that amateur unqualified
>>>>>> shitshow of his... so how long do you reckon it would take for him
>>>>>> to bodge up that exhaust?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> $100... what a fucking clown.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I took it to a legitimate exhaust place and they stopped up the
>>>>> holes with some gunk for nix. they had quoted to replace the
>>>>> complete exhaust, as other parts were rusting too, but at the time
>>>>> I was thinking of trading the car so it wasn't worth the cost. so
>>>>> the plan was just to make a temporary fix, then later if I decided
>>>>> to keep the car they would replace what they needed to in the
>>>>> exhaust system.
>>>>
>>>> "They stopped up the holes with some gunk" now there's an amateur
>>>> bodge if ever there was one.
>>>>
>>>
>>> nope. it's special stuff for exhausts. missed the part about taking
>>> it to a legitimate exhaust place did you?
>>>
>> Doesn't matter, it's still a bodge.
>
> So is attempting to weld a rusted out muffler. Mufflers rust from the
> inside out and nothing you put on the outside fixes the muffler, it
> patches the hole.

There must be an echo around here, I just replied to an exactly the same
sentiment. Odd that.

> Neither welding or putty are repairs, they are both bodges - the
> difference is one cost him nothing and the other some unscrupulous
> clueless amateur unqualified shonk would have charged him half the price
> of a brand new muffler.

Only a shonk would be party to either of those bodges and only a fool
would find either acceptable.

On 14/02/2022 6:57 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 14/02/2022 2:31 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 14/02/2022 9:06 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 14/02/2022 8:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 14/02/2022 9:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 14/02/2022 7:05 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 2:19 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:29 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 9:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 5:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   See, you *can* do it without someone holding yer hand!..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be difficult for Felix to appreciate that not even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "buddies" who's arses he licks on a daily basis give
>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough of a fuck about anything he has to say to bother
>>>>>>>>>>>>> replying to him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What a sad cunt of a thing he is :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> that would be you. a hateful nasty person who offers
>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing but insults and abuse to anyone who isn't one of
>>>>>>>>>>>> his grovelling sycophants
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and need I even mention the irony of someone who hasn't
>>>>>>>>>>> helped criticizing others for not doing so?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's because you are in his kill file. IE He doesn't see
>>>>>>>>>> your posts normally. I couldn't be bothered helping as 1. You
>>>>>>>>>> have never taken good advice, 2. You take every opportunity
>>>>>>>>>> to snipe and abuse me that you can, and 3. I don't care.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's the thing. On the occasions where he *has* asked for
>>>>>>>>> advice before he's carried on like the ultimate ask-hole. I
>>>>>>>>> even offered to help him once but he reckons I was ripping him
>>>>>>>>> off so he gets to go fuck himself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ahh.. you must be talking about your offer to weld a rusty
>>>>>>>> muffler for $100, that the (real) mechanics here said was a bad
>>>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Consider he charges $40 p/h labour in that amateur unqualified
>>>>>>> shitshow of his... so how long do you reckon it would take for
>>>>>>> him to bodge up that exhaust?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $100... what a fucking clown.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I took it to a legitimate exhaust place and they stopped up the
>>>>>> holes with some gunk for nix. they had quoted to replace the
>>>>>> complete exhaust, as other parts were rusting too, but at the
>>>>>> time I was thinking of trading the car so it wasn't worth the
>>>>>> cost. so the plan was just to make a temporary fix, then later if
>>>>>> I decided to keep the car they would replace what they needed to
>>>>>> in the exhaust system.
>>>>>
>>>>> "They stopped up the holes with some gunk" now there's an amateur
>>>>> bodge if ever there was one.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> nope. it's special stuff for exhausts. missed the part about taking
>>>> it to a legitimate exhaust place did you?
>>>>
>>> Doesn't matter, it's still a bodge.
>>
>> So is attempting to weld a rusted out muffler. Mufflers rust from the
>> inside out and nothing you put on the outside fixes the muffler, it
>> patches the hole.
>
> There must be an echo around here, I just replied to an exactly the
> same sentiment. Odd that.
>
>> Neither welding or putty are repairs, they are both bodges - the
>> difference is one cost him nothing and the other some unscrupulous
>> clueless amateur unqualified shonk would have charged him half the
>> price of a brand new muffler.
>
> Only a shonk would be party to either of those bodges and only a fool
> would find either acceptable.
>

you're just a troll

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam
"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

On 14/02/2022 6:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 14/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 14/02/2022 3:45 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 14/02/2022 12:17 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 14/02/2022 1:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 14/02/2022 11:52 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 12:06 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 8:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 9:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 7:05 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 2:19 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:29 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 9:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 5:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   See, you *can* do it without someone holding yer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand!..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be difficult for Felix to appreciate that not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the "buddies" who's arses he licks on a daily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basis give enough of a fuck about anything he has to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say to bother replying to him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What a sad cunt of a thing he is :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would be you. a hateful nasty person who offers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing but insults and abuse to anyone who isn't one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of his grovelling sycophants
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and need I even mention the irony of someone who hasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helped criticizing others for not doing so?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's because you are in his kill file. IE He doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see your posts normally. I couldn't be bothered helping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as 1. You have never taken good advice, 2. You take every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to snipe and abuse me that you can, and 3. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's the thing. On the occasions where he *has* asked
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for advice before he's carried on like the ultimate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask-hole. I even offered to help him once but he reckons I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was ripping him off so he gets to go fuck himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ahh.. you must be talking about your offer to weld a rusty
>>>>>>>>>>>> muffler for $100, that the (real) mechanics here said was a
>>>>>>>>>>>> bad idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Consider he charges $40 p/h labour in that amateur
>>>>>>>>>>> unqualified shitshow of his... so how long do you reckon it
>>>>>>>>>>> would take for him to bodge up that exhaust?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> $100... what a fucking clown.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I took it to a legitimate exhaust place and they stopped up
>>>>>>>>>> the holes with some gunk for nix. they had quoted to replace
>>>>>>>>>> the complete exhaust, as other parts were rusting too, but at
>>>>>>>>>> the time I was thinking of trading the car so it wasn't worth
>>>>>>>>>> the cost. so the plan was just to make a temporary fix, then
>>>>>>>>>> later if I decided to keep the car they would replace what
>>>>>>>>>> they needed to in the exhaust system.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "They stopped up the holes with some gunk" now there's an
>>>>>>>>> amateur bodge if ever there was one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> nope. it's special stuff for exhausts. missed the part about
>>>>>>>> taking it to a legitimate exhaust place did you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doesn't matter, it's still a bodge. If you are going to sell the
>>>>>>> vehicle and have no scruples or if you are so broke that you
>>>>>>> can't afford a proper job, then it's what you would do. "Fixes"
>>>>>>> like that are very temporary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> read my first comment again. your remarks are superfluous
>>>>>>
>>>>> Superfluous - wow that's a big word, did you get alvey to write it
>>>>> out for you?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you know what Keith? you're an idiot!
>>>>
>>>
>>> He's losing his marbles.
>>
>>
>> it's kinda looking like maybe he never had any to begin with  :)
>>
> Little felix peeked from behind the curtain and squeaked "Me too"

I must confess that used to annoy me once when I had some respect for
you. now I'm just amused by your infantile stupidity.

--
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"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

On 14/2/22 18:54, keithr0 wrote:
> On 14/02/2022 2:03 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 14/02/2022 8:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 14/02/2022 9:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 14/02/2022 7:05 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 2:19 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:29 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 9:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 5:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    See, you *can* do it without someone holding yer hand!..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be difficult for Felix to appreciate that not even the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "buddies" who's arses he licks on a daily basis give enough of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a fuck about anything he has to say to bother replying to him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What a sad cunt of a thing he is :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> that would be you. a hateful nasty person who offers nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>> but insults and abuse to anyone who isn't one of his grovelling
>>>>>>>>>>>> sycophants
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and need I even mention the irony of someone who hasn't helped
>>>>>>>>>>> criticizing others for not doing so?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's because you are in his kill file. IE He doesn't see your
>>>>>>>>>> posts normally. I couldn't be bothered helping as 1. You have
>>>>>>>>>> never taken good advice, 2. You take every opportunity to snipe
>>>>>>>>>> and abuse me that you can, and 3. I don't care.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's the thing. On the occasions where he *has* asked for advice
>>>>>>>>> before he's carried on like the ultimate ask-hole. I even offered
>>>>>>>>> to help him once but he reckons I was ripping him off so he gets
>>>>>>>>> to go fuck himself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ahh.. you must be talking about your offer to weld a rusty muffler
>>>>>>>> for $100, that the (real) mechanics here said was a bad idea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Consider he charges $40 p/h labour in that amateur unqualified
>>>>>>> shitshow of his... so how long do you reckon it would take for him
>>>>>>> to bodge up that exhaust?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $100... what a fucking clown.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I took it to a legitimate exhaust place and they stopped up the holes
>>>>>> with some gunk for nix. they had quoted to replace the complete
>>>>>> exhaust, as other parts were rusting too, but at the time I was
>>>>>> thinking of trading the car so it wasn't worth the cost. so the plan
>>>>>> was just to make a temporary fix, then later if I decided to keep the
>>>>>> car they would replace what they needed to in the exhaust system.
>>>>>
>>>>> "They stopped up the holes with some gunk" now there's an amateur
>>>>> bodge if ever there was one.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> nope. it's special stuff for exhausts. missed the part about taking it
>>>> to a legitimate exhaust place did you?
>>>>
>>> Doesn't matter, it's still a bodge. If you are going to sell the vehicle
>>> and have no scruples or if you are so broke that you can't afford a
>>> proper job, then it's what you would do. "Fixes" like that are very
>>> temporary.
>>>
>>
>> So is a patch welded on the outside. What most people don’t realise is
>> that
>> mufflers corrode from the inside. If you have a hole to the outside, you
>> can bet your bottom dollar that the inside structural members have
>> corroded
>> away as well. Replacement is the only sure fire fix. All else is
>> patching.
>>
> I agree, felix's only real option was to replace the exhaust system,
> obviously he was too mean to do that and accepted the worst possible
> bodge because it was free.

Actually, that was the best possible temporary fix and, from what I
gathered, it served the purpose. The putty, from what I recall, sets
like *cement* and, if properly applied to a hole in the muffler, will
never come out until the surrounds have given way to corrosion. Attempts
to weld it, on the other hand, are a waste of time. Just the *labour
costs* alone in doing the R&R on an old rusty muffler work against it.
As well, the metal gets very very thin on an old muffler and it isn't
easy to weld. That plus the inner structure giving way makes a patch
weld an uneconomic repair, especially given the cost of a new muffler.

Xeno
----

On 14/02/2022 6:37 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 14/02/2022 6:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 14/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 14/02/2022 3:45 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 14/02/2022 12:17 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 14/02/2022 1:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 11:52 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 12:06 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 8:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 9:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 7:05 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 2:19 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:29 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 9:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 5:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   See, you *can* do it without someone holding yer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hand!..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be difficult for Felix to appreciate that not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the "buddies" who's arses he licks on a daily
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basis give enough of a fuck about anything he has to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> say to bother replying to him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What a sad cunt of a thing he is :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would be you. a hateful nasty person who offers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing but insults and abuse to anyone who isn't one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of his grovelling sycophants
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and need I even mention the irony of someone who hasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> helped criticizing others for not doing so?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's because you are in his kill file. IE He doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see your posts normally. I couldn't be bothered helping
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as 1. You have never taken good advice, 2. You take every
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to snipe and abuse me that you can, and 3. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't care.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's the thing. On the occasions where he *has* asked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for advice before he's carried on like the ultimate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ask-hole. I even offered to help him once but he reckons I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was ripping him off so he gets to go fuck himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ahh.. you must be talking about your offer to weld a rusty
>>>>>>>>>>>>> muffler for $100, that the (real) mechanics here said was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bad idea.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Consider he charges $40 p/h labour in that amateur
>>>>>>>>>>>> unqualified shitshow of his... so how long do you reckon it
>>>>>>>>>>>> would take for him to bodge up that exhaust?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> $100... what a fucking clown.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I took it to a legitimate exhaust place and they stopped up
>>>>>>>>>>> the holes with some gunk for nix. they had quoted to replace
>>>>>>>>>>> the complete exhaust, as other parts were rusting too, but at
>>>>>>>>>>> the time I was thinking of trading the car so it wasn't worth
>>>>>>>>>>> the cost. so the plan was just to make a temporary fix, then
>>>>>>>>>>> later if I decided to keep the car they would replace what
>>>>>>>>>>> they needed to in the exhaust system.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "They stopped up the holes with some gunk" now there's an
>>>>>>>>>> amateur bodge if ever there was one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> nope. it's special stuff for exhausts. missed the part about
>>>>>>>>> taking it to a legitimate exhaust place did you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Doesn't matter, it's still a bodge. If you are going to sell the
>>>>>>>> vehicle and have no scruples or if you are so broke that you
>>>>>>>> can't afford a proper job, then it's what you would do. "Fixes"
>>>>>>>> like that are very temporary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> read my first comment again. your remarks are superfluous
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Superfluous - wow that's a big word, did you get alvey to write it
>>>>>> out for you?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> you know what Keith? you're an idiot!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He's losing his marbles.
>>>
>>>
>>> it's kinda looking like maybe he never had any to begin with  :)
>>>
>> Little felix peeked from behind the curtain and squeaked "Me too"
>
>
> I must confess that used to annoy me once when I had some respect for
> you. now I'm just amused by your infantile stupidity.
>
Glad to be of service.

On 14/02/2022 6:30 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 14/02/2022 6:57 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 14/02/2022 2:31 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 14/02/2022 9:06 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 14/02/2022 8:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 14/02/2022 9:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 7:05 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 2:19 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:29 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 9:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 5:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   See, you *can* do it without someone holding yer hand!..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be difficult for Felix to appreciate that not even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "buddies" who's arses he licks on a daily basis give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough of a fuck about anything he has to say to bother
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> replying to him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What a sad cunt of a thing he is :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would be you. a hateful nasty person who offers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing but insults and abuse to anyone who isn't one of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> his grovelling sycophants
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and need I even mention the irony of someone who hasn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> helped criticizing others for not doing so?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's because you are in his kill file. IE He doesn't see
>>>>>>>>>>> your posts normally. I couldn't be bothered helping as 1. You
>>>>>>>>>>> have never taken good advice, 2. You take every opportunity
>>>>>>>>>>> to snipe and abuse me that you can, and 3. I don't care.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's the thing. On the occasions where he *has* asked for
>>>>>>>>>> advice before he's carried on like the ultimate ask-hole. I
>>>>>>>>>> even offered to help him once but he reckons I was ripping him
>>>>>>>>>> off so he gets to go fuck himself.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ahh.. you must be talking about your offer to weld a rusty
>>>>>>>>> muffler for $100, that the (real) mechanics here said was a bad
>>>>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Consider he charges $40 p/h labour in that amateur unqualified
>>>>>>>> shitshow of his... so how long do you reckon it would take for
>>>>>>>> him to bodge up that exhaust?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $100... what a fucking clown.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I took it to a legitimate exhaust place and they stopped up the
>>>>>>> holes with some gunk for nix. they had quoted to replace the
>>>>>>> complete exhaust, as other parts were rusting too, but at the
>>>>>>> time I was thinking of trading the car so it wasn't worth the
>>>>>>> cost. so the plan was just to make a temporary fix, then later if
>>>>>>> I decided to keep the car they would replace what they needed to
>>>>>>> in the exhaust system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "They stopped up the holes with some gunk" now there's an amateur
>>>>>> bodge if ever there was one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> nope. it's special stuff for exhausts. missed the part about taking
>>>>> it to a legitimate exhaust place did you?
>>>>>
>>>> Doesn't matter, it's still a bodge.
>>>
>>> So is attempting to weld a rusted out muffler. Mufflers rust from the
>>> inside out and nothing you put on the outside fixes the muffler, it
>>> patches the hole.
>>
>> There must be an echo around here, I just replied to an exactly the
>> same sentiment. Odd that.
>>
>>> Neither welding or putty are repairs, they are both bodges - the
>>> difference is one cost him nothing and the other some unscrupulous
>>> clueless amateur unqualified shonk would have charged him half the
>>> price of a brand new muffler.
>>
>> Only a shonk would be party to either of those bodges and only a fool
>> would find either acceptable.
>>
>
> you're just a troll
>
Get off my bridge!

On 14/02/2022 8:02 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 14/2/22 18:54, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 14/02/2022 2:03 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 14/02/2022 8:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 14/02/2022 9:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 7:05 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 2:19 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:29 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 9:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 5:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    See, you *can* do it without someone holding yer hand!..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be difficult for Felix to appreciate that not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "buddies" who's arses he licks on a daily basis give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a fuck about anything he has to say to bother replying to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What a sad cunt of a thing he is :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that would be you. a hateful nasty person who offers nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but insults and abuse to anyone who isn't one of his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> grovelling
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sycophants
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and need I even mention the irony of someone who hasn't helped
>>>>>>>>>>>> criticizing others for not doing so?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's because you are in his kill file. IE He doesn't see your
>>>>>>>>>>> posts normally. I couldn't be bothered helping as 1. You have
>>>>>>>>>>> never taken good advice, 2. You take every opportunity to snipe
>>>>>>>>>>> and abuse me that you can, and 3. I don't care.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's the thing. On the occasions where he *has* asked for
>>>>>>>>>> advice
>>>>>>>>>> before he's carried on like the ultimate ask-hole. I even
>>>>>>>>>> offered
>>>>>>>>>> to help him once but he reckons I was ripping him off so he gets
>>>>>>>>>> to go fuck himself.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ahh.. you must be talking about your offer to weld a rusty
>>>>>>>>> muffler
>>>>>>>>> for $100, that the (real) mechanics here said was a bad idea.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Consider he charges $40 p/h labour in that amateur unqualified
>>>>>>>> shitshow of his... so how long do you reckon it would take for him
>>>>>>>> to bodge up that exhaust?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> $100... what a fucking clown.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I took it to a legitimate exhaust place and they stopped up the
>>>>>>> holes
>>>>>>> with some gunk for nix. they had quoted to replace the complete
>>>>>>> exhaust, as other parts were rusting too, but at the time I was
>>>>>>> thinking of trading the car so it wasn't worth the cost. so the
>>>>>>> plan
>>>>>>> was just to make a temporary fix, then later if I decided to
>>>>>>> keep the
>>>>>>> car they would replace what they needed to in the exhaust system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "They stopped up the holes with some gunk" now there's an amateur
>>>>>> bodge if ever there was one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> nope. it's special stuff for exhausts. missed the part about
>>>>> taking it
>>>>> to a legitimate exhaust place did you?
>>>>>
>>>> Doesn't matter, it's still a bodge. If you are going to sell the
>>>> vehicle
>>>> and have no scruples or if you are so broke that you can't afford a
>>>> proper job, then it's what you would do. "Fixes" like that are very
>>>> temporary.
>>>>
>>>
>>> So is a patch welded on the outside. What most people don’t realise
>>> is that
>>> mufflers corrode from the inside. If you have a hole to the outside,
>>> you
>>> can bet your bottom dollar that the inside structural members have
>>> corroded
>>> away as well. Replacement is the only sure fire fix. All else is
>>> patching.
>>>
>> I agree, felix's only real option was to replace the exhaust system,
>> obviously he was too mean to do that and accepted the worst possible
>> bodge because it was free.
>
> Actually, that was the best possible temporary fix and, from what I
> gathered, it served the purpose.

exactly

> The putty, from what I recall, sets like *cement* and, if properly
> applied to a hole in the muffler, will never come out until the
> surrounds have given way to corrosion. Attempts to weld it, on the
> other hand, are a waste of time. Just the *labour costs* alone in
> doing the R&R on an old rusty muffler work against it. As well, the
> metal gets very very thin on an old muffler and it isn't easy to weld.
> That plus the inner structure giving way makes a patch weld an
> uneconomic repair, especially given the cost of a new muffler.

exactly

>
> Xeno
> ----
>

--
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"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

On 14/2/22 6:57 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 14/02/2022 2:31 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 14/02/2022 9:06 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 14/02/2022 8:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 14/02/2022 9:32 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 14/02/2022 7:05 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 14/02/2022 2:19 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:29 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 9:21 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 6:22 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 13/02/2022 5:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   See, you *can* do it without someone holding yer hand!..
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It must be difficult for Felix to appreciate that not even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "buddies" who's arses he licks on a daily basis give
>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough of a fuck about anything he has to say to bother
>>>>>>>>>>>>> replying to him.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What a sad cunt of a thing he is :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> that would be you. a hateful nasty person who offers nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>> but insults and abuse to anyone who isn't one of his
>>>>>>>>>>>> grovelling sycophants
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> and need I even mention the irony of someone who hasn't
>>>>>>>>>>> helped criticizing others for not doing so?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's because you are in his kill file. IE He doesn't see
>>>>>>>>>> your posts normally. I couldn't be bothered helping as 1. You
>>>>>>>>>> have never taken good advice, 2. You take every opportunity to
>>>>>>>>>> snipe and abuse me that you can, and 3. I don't care.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's the thing. On the occasions where he *has* asked for
>>>>>>>>> advice before he's carried on like the ultimate ask-hole. I
>>>>>>>>> even offered to help him once but he reckons I was ripping him
>>>>>>>>> off so he gets to go fuck himself.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ahh.. you must be talking about your offer to weld a rusty
>>>>>>>> muffler for $100, that the (real) mechanics here said was a bad
>>>>>>>> idea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Consider he charges $40 p/h labour in that amateur unqualified
>>>>>>> shitshow of his... so how long do you reckon it would take for
>>>>>>> him to bodge up that exhaust?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> $100... what a fucking clown.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I took it to a legitimate exhaust place and they stopped up the
>>>>>> holes with some gunk for nix. they had quoted to replace the
>>>>>> complete exhaust, as other parts were rusting too, but at the time
>>>>>> I was thinking of trading the car so it wasn't worth the cost. so
>>>>>> the plan was just to make a temporary fix, then later if I decided
>>>>>> to keep the car they would replace what they needed to in the
>>>>>> exhaust system.
>>>>>
>>>>> "They stopped up the holes with some gunk" now there's an amateur
>>>>> bodge if ever there was one.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> nope. it's special stuff for exhausts. missed the part about taking
>>>> it to a legitimate exhaust place did you?
>>>>
>>> Doesn't matter, it's still a bodge.
>>
>> So is attempting to weld a rusted out muffler. Mufflers rust from the
>> inside out and nothing you put on the outside fixes the muffler, it
>> patches the hole.
>
> There must be an echo around here, I just replied to an exactly the same
> sentiment. Odd that.
>
>> Neither welding or putty are repairs, they are both bodges - the
>> difference is one cost him nothing and the other some unscrupulous
>> clueless amateur unqualified shonk would have charged him half the
>> price of a brand new muffler.
>
> Only a shonk would be party to either of those bodges and only a fool
> would find either acceptable.
>
If you were stuck a long way from home or you have ordered a new muffler
but its going to take weeks to arrive then welding a patch is preferable
to "gunk", neither is a long term fix.

--
Daryl

On 14/02/2022 6:54 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 14/02/2022 2:03 pm, Xeno wrote:

>> So is a patch welded on the outside. What most people don’t realise is
>> that
>> mufflers corrode from the inside. If you have a hole to the outside, you
>> can bet your bottom dollar that the inside structural members have
>> corroded
>> away as well. Replacement is the only sure fire fix. All else is
>> patching.
>>
> I agree, felix's only real option was to replace the exhaust system,
> obviously he was too mean to do that and accepted the worst possible
> bodge because it was free.

That's all he was ever interested in, but replacing his exhaust system
wasn't his only option at all.

Exhaust systems are like a lot of other mechanical components in that
they often suffer from minor faults that can quite easily and
effectively be repaired. In fact, it's common for a great many mufflers
or pipes to suffer a failure in one particular point while the rest of
the assembly is perfectly fine. The claim made by the ignorant
irrelevance above is as nonsensical as his comments about carburetors
and boosted brakes, as if he had any relevant experience he would *know*
this himself. Of course, his relevant experience is zip, as by his own
admissions he last worked on a car for a living over 40 years ago and
never performed a weld repair on an exhaust system in his life :)

In Felix's case, if his muffler was in a condition where a couple of
gobs of goop could stop it leaking then it's highly unlikely that the
thing was "rusted out" and beyond repair, in which case a welded patch
panel would not only be successful but most likely still be fine to this
day. Of course that assumes the person doing the repair is capable of
welding sheet metal. I certainly am, but I'm not so sure about the two
resident loudmouths :)

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 14/02/2022 6:57 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 14/02/2022 2:31 pm, Clocky wrote:

>
>> Neither welding or putty are repairs, they are both bodges - the
>> difference is one cost him nothing and the other some unscrupulous
>> clueless amateur unqualified shonk would have charged him half the
>> price of a brand new muffler.
>
> Only a shonk would be party to either of those bodges and only a fool
> would find either acceptable.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here Keith.
Welding an exhaust system is no different to welding anything else. It
can be done very successfully, but you need to know what you're doing.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 14/02/2022 8:34 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 14/2/22 6:57 pm, keithr0 wrote:

>> Only a shonk would be party to either of those bodges and only a fool
>> would find either acceptable.
>>
> If you were stuck a long way from home or you have ordered a new muffler
> but its going to take weeks to arrive then welding a patch is preferable
> to "gunk", neither is a long term fix.

Depends on what you consider "long term". I welded a patch panel on a
muffler that developed a premature rust hole in the skin because
condensation pooled in that spot.

That was 7 years ago and that muffler is still in service :)

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 14/2/22 20:43, Noddy wrote:
> On 14/02/2022 6:54 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 14/02/2022 2:03 pm, Xeno wrote:
>
>>> So is a patch welded on the outside. What most people don’t realise
>>> is that
>>> mufflers corrode from the inside. If you have a hole to the outside, you
>>> can bet your bottom dollar that the inside structural members have
>>> corroded
>>> away as well. Replacement is the only sure fire fix. All else is
>>> patching.
>>>
>> I agree, felix's only real option was to replace the exhaust system,
>> obviously he was too mean to do that and accepted the worst possible
>> bodge because it was free.
>
> That's all he was ever interested in, but replacing his exhaust system
> wasn't his only option at all.
>
> Exhaust systems are like a lot of other mechanical components in that
> they often suffer from minor faults that can quite easily and
> effectively be repaired. In fact, it's common for a great many mufflers
> or pipes to suffer a failure in one particular point while the rest of
> the assembly is perfectly fine. The claim made by the ignorant
> irrelevance above is as nonsensical as his comments about carburetors
> and boosted brakes, as if he had any relevant experience he would *know*
> this himself. Of course, his relevant experience is zip, as by his own
> admissions he last worked on a car for a living over 40 years ago and
> never performed a weld repair on an exhaust system in his life :)
>
> In Felix's case, if his muffler was in a condition where a couple of
> gobs of goop could stop it leaking then it's highly unlikely that the
> thing was "rusted out" and beyond repair, in which case a welded patch
> panel would not only be successful but most likely still be fine to this
> day. Of course that assumes the person doing the repair is capable of
> welding sheet metal. I certainly am, but I'm not so sure about the two
> resident loudmouths :)
>
Tsk, tsk, tsk. I was questioning the *value* of an R&R and weld Darren.
$100, you said? Not worth it I say. Muffler putty would do a much better
job for a temporary repair and would incur SFA additional cost. FWIW
Darren, I taught butt, lap and corner welding on sheet metal for
something in the order of 15 years and the same in plate steel. I've
welded more mufflers than I care to recall and that is why I say, given
the cost of a new muffler, it isn't worth welding one up. Oh, and I
commenced welding car exhausts in 1968, before you even failed primary
school.

--
Xeno

On 14/2/22 20:46, Noddy wrote:
> On 14/02/2022 6:57 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 14/02/2022 2:31 pm, Clocky wrote:
>
>>
>>> Neither welding or putty are repairs, they are both bodges - the
>>> difference is one cost him nothing and the other some unscrupulous
>>> clueless amateur unqualified shonk would have charged him half the
>>> price of a brand new muffler.
>>
>> Only a shonk would be party to either of those bodges and only a fool
>> would find either acceptable.
>
> You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here Keith.
> Welding an exhaust system is no different to welding anything else. It
> can be done very successfully, but you need to know what you're doing.
>
Well that's you screwed right there! You couldn't even get signed up to
any apprenticeship ever.

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On 14/2/22 20:49, Noddy wrote:
> On 14/02/2022 8:34 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 14/2/22 6:57 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>
>>> Only a shonk would be party to either of those bodges and only a fool
>>> would find either acceptable.
>>>
>> If you were stuck a long way from home or you have ordered a new
>> muffler but its going to take weeks to arrive then welding a patch is
>> preferable to "gunk", neither is a long term fix.
>
> Depends on what you consider "long term". I welded a patch panel on a
> muffler that developed a premature rust hole in the skin because
> condensation pooled in that spot.
>
> That was 7 years ago and that muffler is still in service :)
>
>
Given the self agrandising bullshit you spin around here, that muffler
probably lasted as long as Les' engine after you worked on it. One lap
under after trials, wasn't it?

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Xeno

On 14/2/22 8:49 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 14/02/2022 8:34 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 14/2/22 6:57 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>
>>> Only a shonk would be party to either of those bodges and only a fool
>>> would find either acceptable.
>>>
>> If you were stuck a long way from home or you have ordered a new
>> muffler but its going to take weeks to arrive then welding a patch is
>> preferable to "gunk", neither is a long term fix.
>
> Depends on what you consider "long term". I welded a patch panel on a
> muffler that developed a premature rust hole in the skin because
> condensation pooled in that spot.
>
> That was 7 years ago and that muffler is still in service :)
>
>
You get lucky sometimes:-)
Many exhausts systems these days are stainless so rust isn't as big a
problem, I've still got the exhaust from the Daihatsu wreck we pulled
the good engine out of and despite being 17yrs old the 2 mufflers still
look shiny.

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Daryl

On 14/02/2022 11:01 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 14/2/22 8:49 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 14/02/2022 8:34 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 14/2/22 6:57 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>>> Only a shonk would be party to either of those bodges and only a
>>>> fool would find either acceptable.
>>>>
>>> If you were stuck a long way from home or you have ordered a new
>>> muffler but its going to take weeks to arrive then welding a patch is
>>> preferable to "gunk", neither is a long term fix.
>>
>> Depends on what you consider "long term". I welded a patch panel on a
>> muffler that developed a premature rust hole in the skin because
>> condensation pooled in that spot.
>>
>> That was 7 years ago and that muffler is still in service :)
>>
>>
> You get lucky sometimes:-)

Luck didn't have much to do with it :)

> Many exhausts systems these days are stainless so rust isn't as big a
> problem, I've still got the exhaust from the Daihatsu wreck we pulled
> the good engine out of and despite being 17yrs old the 2 mufflers still
> look shiny.

I've repaired a few stainless pipes and mufflers, but that's usually
because they've either been damaged by scraping over something, or need
to be modified for clearance.

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 14/02/2022 7:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 14/02/2022 6:57 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 14/02/2022 2:31 pm, Clocky wrote:
>
>>
>>> Neither welding or putty are repairs, they are both bodges - the
>>> difference is one cost him nothing and the other some unscrupulous
>>> clueless amateur unqualified shonk would have charged him half the
>>> price of a brand new muffler.
>>
>> Only a shonk would be party to either of those bodges and only a fool
>> would find either acceptable.
>
> You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here Keith.
> Welding an exhaust system is no different to welding anything else. It
> can be done very successfully, but you need to know what you're doing.

Depends what you're welding to, most rusted silencers that I've come
across have rusted down to paper thin metal.

On Monday, 14 February 2022 at 20:58:36 UTC+11, Xeno wrote:
> On 14/2/22 20:43, Noddy wrote:
> > On 14/02/2022 6:54 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> >> On 14/02/2022 2:03 pm, Xeno wrote:
> >
> >>> So is a patch welded on the outside. What most people don’t realise
> >>> is that
> >>> mufflers corrode from the inside. If you have a hole to the outside, you
> >>> can bet your bottom dollar that the inside structural members have
> >>> corroded
> >>> away as well. Replacement is the only sure fire fix. All else is
> >>> patching.
> >>>
> >> I agree, felix's only real option was to replace the exhaust system,
> >> obviously he was too mean to do that and accepted the worst possible
> >> bodge because it was free.
> >
> > That's all he was ever interested in, but replacing his exhaust system
> > wasn't his only option at all.
> >
> > Exhaust systems are like a lot of other mechanical components in that
> > they often suffer from minor faults that can quite easily and
> > effectively be repaired. In fact, it's common for a great many mufflers
> > or pipes to suffer a failure in one particular point while the rest of
> > the assembly is perfectly fine. The claim made by the ignorant
> > irrelevance above is as nonsensical as his comments about carburetors
> > and boosted brakes, as if he had any relevant experience he would *know*
> > this himself. Of course, his relevant experience is zip, as by his own
> > admissions he last worked on a car for a living over 40 years ago and
> > never performed a weld repair on an exhaust system in his life :)
> >
> > In Felix's case, if his muffler was in a condition where a couple of
> > gobs of goop could stop it leaking then it's highly unlikely that the
> > thing was "rusted out" and beyond repair, in which case a welded patch
> > panel would not only be successful but most likely still be fine to this
> > day. Of course that assumes the person doing the repair is capable of
> > welding sheet metal. I certainly am, but I'm not so sure about the two
> > resident loudmouths :)
> >
> Tsk, tsk, tsk. I was questioning the *value* of an R&R and weld Darren.
> $100, you said? Not worth it I say. Muffler putty would do a much better
> job for a temporary repair and would incur SFA additional cost. FWIW
> Darren, I taught butt, lap and corner welding on sheet metal for
> something in the order of 15 years and the same in plate steel. I've
> welded more mufflers than I care to recall and that is why I say, given
> the cost of a new muffler, it isn't worth welding one up. Oh, and I
> commenced welding car exhausts in 1968, before you even failed primary
> school.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
2+2=5......Pix or its bullshit. (Rhetorical, I already know the answer.)
>
>
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> Xeno

On 14/02/2022 11:14 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Monday, 14 February 2022 at 20:58:36 UTC+11, Xeno wrote:

>> Tsk, tsk, tsk. I was questioning the *value* of an R&R and weld Darren.
>> $100, you said? Not worth it I say. Muffler putty would do a much better
>> job for a temporary repair and would incur SFA additional cost. FWIW
>> Darren, I taught butt, lap and corner welding on sheet metal for
>> something in the order of 15 years and the same in plate steel. I've
>> welded more mufflers than I care to recall and that is why I say, given
>> the cost of a new muffler, it isn't worth welding one up. Oh, and I
>> commenced welding car exhausts in 1968, before you even failed primary
>> school.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 2+2=5......Pix or its bullshit. (Rhetorical, I already know the answer.)

Don't forget this is the "welding teacher" who's own welding experience
was limited to the 5 minutes of training he himself received as an
apprentice according to him.

ROTFL :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 14/02/2022 11:12 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 14/02/2022 7:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 14/02/2022 6:57 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 14/02/2022 2:31 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> Neither welding or putty are repairs, they are both bodges - the
>>>> difference is one cost him nothing and the other some unscrupulous
>>>> clueless amateur unqualified shonk would have charged him half the
>>>> price of a brand new muffler.
>>>
>>> Only a shonk would be party to either of those bodges and only a fool
>>> would find either acceptable.
>>
>> You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here Keith.
>> Welding an exhaust system is no different to welding anything else. It
>> can be done very successfully, but you need to know what you're doing.
>
> Depends what you're welding to, most rusted silencers that I've come
> across have rusted down to paper thin metal.

Yeah, but we're not talking about anything like that.

No one mentioned anything about welding rusted metal other than the
clueless FLC fuckwits in trying to create a ridiculous false argument.
What *I'm* talking about is repairing a muffler or pipe that has a
rusted or otherwise damaged section but is otherwise in good usable
condition everywhere else which is actually fairly common.

You cannot weld rusted metal, and only a complete moron would think
anyone would be silly enough to try to. However what you *can* do is cut
out the rusted section and replace it with new metal and extend the life
of hardware which is perfectly serviceable in every other aspect. This
is no different to repairing a rust hole in a car panel, and it's
something that is fairly simple to do if you have the equipment and ability.

The nay-sayers are the clowns who wouldn't know how to do it if you held
a gun to their heads, but they can tell you all about how it "wouldn't
work" :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 14/2/22 23:12, keithr0 wrote:
> On 14/02/2022 7:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 14/02/2022 6:57 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 14/02/2022 2:31 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> Neither welding or putty are repairs, they are both bodges - the
>>>> difference is one cost him nothing and the other some unscrupulous
>>>> clueless amateur unqualified shonk would have charged him half the
>>>> price of a brand new muffler.
>>>
>>> Only a shonk would be party to either of those bodges and only a fool
>>> would find either acceptable.
>>
>> You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here Keith.
>> Welding an exhaust system is no different to welding anything else. It
>> can be done very successfully, but you need to know what you're doing.
>
> Depends what you're welding to, most rusted silencers that I've come
> across have rusted down to paper thin metal.

Precisely! What's more, the innards are rusted to nothing and no longer
provide an internal support structure. First thing you notice is that
the end pipes crack away from the end plate having lost their support.

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On 14/2/22 23:40, Noddy wrote:
> On 14/02/2022 11:12 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 14/02/2022 7:46 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 14/02/2022 6:57 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 14/02/2022 2:31 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Neither welding or putty are repairs, they are both bodges - the
>>>>> difference is one cost him nothing and the other some unscrupulous
>>>>> clueless amateur unqualified shonk would have charged him half the
>>>>> price of a brand new muffler.
>>>>
>>>> Only a shonk would be party to either of those bodges and only a
>>>> fool would find either acceptable.
>>>
>>> You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about here Keith.
>>> Welding an exhaust system is no different to welding anything else.
>>> It can be done very successfully, but you need to know what you're
>>> doing.
>>
>> Depends what you're welding to, most rusted silencers that I've come
>> across have rusted down to paper thin metal.
>
> Yeah, but we're not talking about anything like that.
>
> No one mentioned anything about welding rusted metal other than the
> clueless FLC fuckwits in trying to create a ridiculous false argument.
> What *I'm* talking about is repairing a muffler or pipe that has a
> rusted or otherwise damaged section but is otherwise in good usable
> condition everywhere else which is actually fairly common.
>
> You cannot weld rusted metal, and only a complete moron would think
> anyone would be silly enough to try to. However what you *can* do is cut
> out the rusted section and replace it with new metal and extend the life
> of hardware which is perfectly serviceable in every other aspect. This
> is no different to repairing a rust hole in a car panel, and it's
> something that is fairly simple to do if you have the equipment and
> ability.
>
> The nay-sayers are the clowns who wouldn't know how to do it if you held
> a gun to their heads, but they can tell you all about how it "wouldn't
> work" :)
>
Nay Darren, we can tell you a repair like that isn't worthwhile. What
were you going to charge? $100? A *new* muffler isn't worth much more
and are often even cheaper than that.

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