"ChrisND @UKRM" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote in
news:jnub9lF62qmU1@mid.individual.net:

> On 08/09/2022 14:28, Ace wrote:
>> On Thu, 8 Sep 2022 12:50:55 +0100, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/09/2022 19:15, wessie wrote:
>>>> Alex Ferrier <alex.j.ferrier@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:ef63d6ef-bc68-485d- ae75-0c7fd2a59732n@googlegroups.com:
>>>>
>>>>> Champ wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will now place the small container/dispenser next to my tub of
>>>>>> copper grease, filed as "consumables which will out-last me"
>>>>>
>>>>> By which you mean: Bung it in the manky old square margarine
>>>>> tub along with myriad 99.95% empty, dried or otherwise
>>>>> past-it pots and tubes of unidentifiable and unusable
>>>>> substances.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I find those brown mushroom punnets to be better. They don't go
>>>> brittle like margarine tubs seem to.
>>>
>>> Ice cream tubs are also good, and the contents are even tastier than
>>> brown mushrooms.
>>
>> Shout-out for Quality Street tins, my personal fave. I also still
>> have a couple of tall 'Smash' tins from the 1980 which are good for
>> tubes of glue and stuff.
>>
> Yeah, Quality Street are good but I prefer Rover Assortment tins - cos
> they're squarer and wast less space. Either way, tins are best :-)
>
> Chris
>

not seen an actual tin of biscuits or sweets for years - all seem to be
plastic now

On 08/09/2022 17:15, wessie wrote:
> "ChrisND @UKRM" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote in
> news:jnub9lF62qmU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> On 08/09/2022 14:28, Ace wrote:
>>> On Thu, 8 Sep 2022 12:50:55 +0100, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07/09/2022 19:15, wessie wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I find those brown mushroom punnets to be better. They don't go
>>>>> brittle like margarine tubs seem to.
>>>>
>>>> Ice cream tubs are also good, and the contents are even tastier than
>>>> brown mushrooms.
>>>
>>> Shout-out for Quality Street tins, my personal fave. I also still
>>> have a couple of tall 'Smash' tins from the 1980 which are good for
>>> tubes of glue and stuff.
>>>
>> Yeah, Quality Street are good but I prefer Rover Assortment tins - cos
>> they're squarer and wast less space. Either way, tins are best :-)
>
> not seen an actual tin of biscuits or sweets for years - all seem to be
> plastic now

The Jacobs biscuit tubs are more convenient than the Quality Street
tubs, being square rather than octagonal so you don't get the
interstitial gaps.

Tubs for Indian and Chinese food are also good.

On 08/09/2022 23:44, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 08/09/2022 17:15, wessie wrote:
>> "ChrisND @UKRM" <chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote in
>> news:jnub9lF62qmU1@mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> On 08/09/2022 14:28, Ace wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 8 Sep 2022 12:50:55 +0100, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 07/09/2022 19:15, wessie wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I find those brown mushroom punnets to be better. They don't go
>>>>>> brittle like margarine tubs seem to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ice cream tubs are also good, and the contents are even tastier than
>>>>> brown mushrooms.
>>>>
>>>> Shout-out for Quality Street tins, my personal fave. I also still
>>>> have a couple of tall 'Smash' tins from the 1980 which are good for
>>>> tubes of glue and stuff.
>>>>
>>> Yeah, Quality Street are good but I prefer Rover Assortment tins - cos
>>> they're squarer and wast less space.  Either way, tins are best :-)
>>
>> not seen an actual tin of biscuits or sweets for years - all seem to be
>> plastic now
>
> The Jacobs biscuit tubs are more convenient than the Quality Street
> tubs, being square rather than octagonal so you don't get the
> interstitial gaps.
>
> Tubs for Indian and Chinese food are also good.
Indeed, all true.
However, I'm an old bloke and many of my tins are actually part of my
inheritance from grand parents and even great grand parents. Similarly,
I have tools that date back to the 19th century I realise...

Chris D

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Mike Fleming wrote:
> wessie wrote:
> > not seen an actual tin of biscuits or sweets for years - all seem to be
> > plastic now
>
> The Jacobs biscuit tubs are more convenient than the Quality Street
> tubs, being square rather than octagonal so you don't get the
> interstitial gaps.
>
> Tubs for Indian and Chinese food are also good.

Kellys ice cream tubs here. As useful in the kitchen as they are in the garage, and we seem to have a lot of them.

On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 13:22:52 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 13:13:31 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>The ignition switch on my H2 SX [1] is getting troublesome - it's
>>tricky to get the key in, turn it on, turn it off, and to remove it.
>>And it's getting worse.
>>
>>ISTR reading on here ages ago that you shouldn't use WD40, but some
>>sort of graphite base lubricant.
>
>I should have just googled it - found this
>https://ridinggearwarehouse.com/the-riders-blog/how-to-lubricate-your-motorcycle-ignition-and-locks/
>and then ordered this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255405163572
>
>>Can anyone advise?
>
>Still interested in any relevant advice

That's what I would have advised had I not been absent from ukrm for a
week or so. I still have some powdered graphite from decades ago when
it was the only way to stop car door locks freezing up.

--
Colin Irvine
FJR1300A

On 06/09/2022 14:50, Champ wrote:
> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 13:22:52 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 13:13:31 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> The ignition switch on my H2 SX [1] is getting troublesome - it's
>>> tricky to get the key in, turn it on, turn it off, and to remove it.
>>> And it's getting worse.
>>>
>>> ISTR reading on here ages ago that you shouldn't use WD40, but some
>>> sort of graphite base lubricant.
>>
>> I should have just googled it - found this
>> https://ridinggearwarehouse.com/the-riders-blog/how-to-lubricate-your-motorcycle-ignition-and-locks/
>> and then ordered this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255405163572
>
> The graphite poweder lock lubricant arrived today. I applied a little
> to the key and the lock, slid it in and out a few times (ooh er!) and
> then switched it on and off, removed, re-inserted multiple time, and

I put my finger in the Woodpecker's hole
And the Woodpecker said, "Gawd bless my soul"
"Take it out! Take it out! Remove it!"

etc.

On Sunday, 11 September 2022 at 13:58:34 UTC+1, Tim wrote:

> I put my finger in the Woodpecker's hole
> And the Woodpecker said, "Gawd bless my soul"
> "Take it out! Take it out! Remove it!"
>
> etc.

Oh, 1970s rugby songs. What an innocent time to be alive.

On 11/09/2022 13:58, Tim wrote:
> On 06/09/2022 14:50, Champ wrote:
>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 13:22:52 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 13:13:31 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The ignition switch on my H2 SX [1] is getting troublesome - it's
>>>> tricky to get the key in, turn it on, turn it off, and to remove it.
>>>> And it's getting worse.
>>>>
>>>> ISTR reading on here ages ago that you shouldn't use WD40, but some
>>>> sort of graphite base lubricant.
>>>
>>> I should have just googled it - found this
>>> https://ridinggearwarehouse.com/the-riders-blog/how-to-lubricate-your-motorcycle-ignition-and-locks/
>>> and then ordered this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255405163572
>>
>> The graphite poweder lock lubricant arrived today.  I applied a little
>> to the key and the lock, slid it in and out a few times (ooh er!) and
>> then switched it on and off, removed, re-inserted multiple time, and
>
> I put my finger in the Woodpecker's hole
> And the Woodpecker said, "Gawd bless my soul"
> "Take it out! Take it out! Remove it!"

Nah, it was 3 x "Take it out"

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 11/09/2022 18:55, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>
> On 11/09/2022 13:58, Tim wrote:
>> On 06/09/2022 14:50, Champ wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 13:22:52 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 13:13:31 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The ignition switch on my H2 SX [1] is getting troublesome - it's
>>>>> tricky to get the key in, turn it on, turn it off, and to remove it.
>>>>> And it's getting worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> ISTR reading on here ages ago that you shouldn't use WD40, but some
>>>>> sort of graphite base lubricant.
>>>>
>>>> I should have just googled it - found this
>>>> https://ridinggearwarehouse.com/the-riders-blog/how-to-lubricate-your-motorcycle-ignition-and-locks/
>>>>
>>>> and then ordered this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255405163572
>>>
>>> The graphite poweder lock lubricant arrived today.  I applied a little
>>> to the key and the lock, slid it in and out a few times (ooh er!) and
>>> then switched it on and off, removed, re-inserted multiple time, and
>>
>> I put my finger in the Woodpecker's hole
>> And the Woodpecker said, "Gawd bless my soul"
>> "Take it out! Take it out! Remove it!"
>
> Nah, it was 3 x "Take it out"
>
This is Union not League :-)

On 12/09/2022 09:23, Tim wrote:
> On 11/09/2022 18:55, YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 11/09/2022 13:58, Tim wrote:
>>> On 06/09/2022 14:50, Champ wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 13:22:52 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 13:13:31 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The ignition switch on my H2 SX [1] is getting troublesome - it's
>>>>>> tricky to get the key in, turn it on, turn it off, and to remove it.
>>>>>> And it's getting worse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ISTR reading on here ages ago that you shouldn't use WD40, but some
>>>>>> sort of graphite base lubricant.
>>>>>
>>>>> I should have just googled it - found this
>>>>> https://ridinggearwarehouse.com/the-riders-blog/how-to-lubricate-your-motorcycle-ignition-and-locks/
>>>>> and then ordered this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255405163572
>>>>
>>>> The graphite poweder lock lubricant arrived today.  I applied a little
>>>> to the key and the lock, slid it in and out a few times (ooh er!) and
>>>> then switched it on and off, removed, re-inserted multiple time, and
>>>
>>> I put my finger in the Woodpecker's hole
>>> And the Woodpecker said, "Gawd bless my soul"
>>> "Take it out! Take it out! Remove it!"
>>
>> Nah, it was 3 x "Take it out"
>>
> This is Union not League :-)

I spit on your League!
Stupid game, no line outs and no flankers!

The phrase was always repeated 3 times, otherwise it didn't fit in with
the tune or the logic
Take it out
Put it back
Turn it round
etc

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On Monday, 12 September 2022 at 12:45:16 UTC+1, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 12/09/2022 09:23, Tim wrote:

> > This is Union not League :-)
> I spit on your League!
> Stupid game, no line outs and no flankers!
>
> The phrase was always repeated 3 times, otherwise it didn't fit in with
> the tune or the logic
> Take it out
> Put it back
> Turn it round
> etc

Like a stopped clock, Bruce is right on this point.

On 12/09/2022 12:51, Stephen Packer wrote:
> On Monday, 12 September 2022 at 12:45:16 UTC+1, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 12/09/2022 09:23, Tim wrote:
>
>>> This is Union not League :-)
>> I spit on your League!
>> Stupid game, no line outs and no flankers!
>>
>> The phrase was always repeated 3 times, otherwise it didn't fit in with
>> the tune or the logic
>> Take it out
>> Put it back
>> Turn it round
>> etc
>
> Like a stopped clock, Bruce is right on this point.

I shall retire to a darkened room and apply a damp cloth to my forehead.

On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 12:21:43 PM UTC+1, ogden wrote:
> Mike Fleming wrote:
> > wessie wrote:
> > > not seen an actual tin of biscuits or sweets for years - all seem to be
> > > plastic now
> >
> > The Jacobs biscuit tubs are more convenient than the Quality Street
> > tubs, being square rather than octagonal so you don't get the
> > interstitial gaps.
> >
> > Tubs for Indian and Chinese food are also good.
> Kellys ice cream tubs here. As useful in the kitchen as they are in the garage, and we seem to have a lot of them.

My now deceased stepdads deceased dad was a tool maker. The bijou bachelor pad I live in was his workshop (couple of lathes, milling machine, various presses pillar drills etc). One wall was storage, and he had two racks which had a couple of hundred draws on each, for drills, nut, bolts, washers, tool bits etc. Every draw was an old school baccy tin with lid, and a perfectly turned knob on each. Wish I'd kept them, along with the various machines !!

On 12/09/2022 15:02, Dave Brown wrote:
> On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 12:21:43 PM UTC+1, ogden wrote:
>> Mike Fleming wrote:
>>> wessie wrote:
>>>> not seen an actual tin of biscuits or sweets for years - all seem to be
>>>> plastic now
>>>
>>> The Jacobs biscuit tubs are more convenient than the Quality Street
>>> tubs, being square rather than octagonal so you don't get the
>>> interstitial gaps.
>>>
>>> Tubs for Indian and Chinese food are also good.
>> Kellys ice cream tubs here. As useful in the kitchen as they are in the garage, and we seem to have a lot of them.
>
> My now deceased stepdads deceased dad was a tool maker. The bijou bachelor pad I live in was his workshop (couple of lathes, milling machine,
Stepgranddad?

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 12/09/2022 12:51, Stephen Packer wrote:
> On Monday, 12 September 2022 at 12:45:16 UTC+1, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 12/09/2022 09:23, Tim wrote:
>
>>> This is Union not League :-)
>> I spit on your League!
>> Stupid game, no line outs and no flankers!
>>
>> The phrase was always repeated 3 times, otherwise it didn't fit in with
>> the tune or the logic
>> Take it out
>> Put it back
>> Turn it round
>> etc
>
> Like a stopped clock, Bruce is right on this point.

Err <happy dance>
</hd>

I think?

--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On Monday, September 12, 2022 at 3:28:48 PM UTC+1, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 12/09/2022 15:02, Dave Brown wrote:
> > On Friday, September 9, 2022 at 12:21:43 PM UTC+1, ogden wrote:
> >> Mike Fleming wrote:
> >>> wessie wrote:
> >>>> not seen an actual tin of biscuits or sweets for years - all seem to be
> >>>> plastic now
> >>>
> >>> The Jacobs biscuit tubs are more convenient than the Quality Street
> >>> tubs, being square rather than octagonal so you don't get the
> >>> interstitial gaps.
> >>>
> >>> Tubs for Indian and Chinese food are also good.
> >> Kellys ice cream tubs here. As useful in the kitchen as they are in the garage, and we seem to have a lot of them.
> >
> > My now deceased stepdads deceased dad was a tool maker. The bijou bachelor pad I live in was his workshop (couple of lathes, milling machine,
> Stepgranddad?

No thanks, I'm trying to give them up.....

On 08/09/2022 12:50, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 07/09/2022 19:15, wessie wrote:
>> Alex Ferrier <alex.j.ferrier@gmail.com> wrote in news:ef63d6ef-bc68-485d-
>> ae75-0c7fd2a59732n@googlegroups.com:
>>
>>> Champ wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I will now place the small container/dispenser next to my tub of
>>>> copper grease, filed as "consumables which will out-last me"
>>>
>>> By which you mean: Bung it in the manky old square margarine
>>> tub along with myriad 99.95% empty, dried or otherwise
>>> past-it pots and tubes of unidentifiable and unusable
>>> substances.
>>>
>>
>> I find those brown mushroom punnets to be better. They don't go brittle
>> like margarine tubs seem to.
>
> Ice cream tubs are also good, and the contents are even tastier than
> brown mushrooms.

IME brown mushroomsare no tastier than white ones: goes for eggs TAAAW.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 08/09/2022 14:28, Ace wrote:

> Shout-out for Quality Street tins, my personal fave. I also still have
> a couple of tall 'Smash' tins from the 1980 which are good for tubes
> of glue and stuff.

I favour those (roughly) cubic biscuit tins from the 1950s & 1960s.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 11/09/2022 14:12, Stephen Packer wrote:
> On Sunday, 11 September 2022 at 13:58:34 UTC+1, Tim wrote:
>
>> I put my finger in the Woodpecker's hole
>> And the Woodpecker said, "Gawd bless my soul"
>> "Take it out! Take it out! Remove it!"
>>
>> etc.
>
> Oh, 1970s rugby songs. What an innocent time to be alive.
I remember it from Scouts...

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 11/09/2022 18:55, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>
> On 11/09/2022 13:58, Tim wrote:
>> On 06/09/2022 14:50, Champ wrote:
>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 13:22:52 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 13:13:31 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The ignition switch on my H2 SX [1] is getting troublesome - it's
>>>>> tricky to get the key in, turn it on, turn it off, and to remove it.
>>>>> And it's getting worse.
>>>>>
>>>>> ISTR reading on here ages ago that you shouldn't use WD40, but some
>>>>> sort of graphite base lubricant.
>>>>
>>>> I should have just googled it - found this
>>>> https://ridinggearwarehouse.com/the-riders-blog/how-to-lubricate-your-motorcycle-ignition-and-locks/
>>>>
>>>> and then ordered this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/255405163572
>>>
>>> The graphite poweder lock lubricant arrived today.  I applied a little
>>> to the key and the lock, slid it in and out a few times (ooh er!) and
>>> then switched it on and off, removed, re-inserted multiple time, and
>>
>> I put my finger in the Woodpecker's hole
>> And the Woodpecker said, "Gawd bless my soul"
>> "Take it out! Take it out! Remove it!"
>
> Nah, it was 3 x "Take it out"

Nah - 2 x

--
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To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 8:34:57 PM UTC+1, RustyHinge wrote:
> IME brown mushroomsare no tastier than white ones: goes for eggs TAAAW.

Egg colour is purely a function of the breed of hen. Some put a colour coat on their
eggs (brown, blue, whatever) and some don't. What *does* affect the eggs is diet.

Our girls get good quality layers' pellets and plenty of free ranging, so bugs, grass,
amphibians, the odd mouse that the cats kill but don't eat[1]. Their eggs are of all colours
and tones, and the yolks are a *completely* different colour to any eggs that I can buy,
almost orange. I think they taste better, but that may be imagination.

[1] If you've never seen a chicken eat a mouse, you should. They can't chew, so it's
"down in one". You can really see the dinosaur sometimes....

--
WUN

On 21/09/2022 23:58, WUN wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 21, 2022 at 8:34:57 PM UTC+1, RustyHinge wrote:

>> IME brown mushrooms are no tastier than white ones: goes for eggs TAAAW.
>
> Egg colour is purely a function of the breed of hen. Some put a colour coat on their
> eggs (brown, blue, whatever) and some don't. What *does* affect the eggs is diet.
>
> Our girls get good quality layers' pellets and plenty of free ranging, so bugs, grass,
> amphibians, the odd mouse that the cats kill but don't eat[1]. Their eggs are of all colours
> and tones, and the yolks are a *completely* different colour to any eggs that I can buy,
> almost orange. I think they taste better, but that may be imagination.
>
> [1] If you've never seen a chicken eat a mouse, you should. They can't chew, so it's
> "down in one". You can really see the dinosaur sometimes....

Aye, IKWYM - IK*E*WYM - I used to be a smallholder and kept many
varieties of dinosaur - quail, bantams (not BSA, though I had a D1 for
happy yonks) hens of different makes and models, guinea fowl, ducks
(mainly mallard, callducks, Alesburies, Muscovies, and Indian runners),
geese, and that's not to mention the non-avian goats, bullock,
raspberries and tomatoes.

While IKWYM about the yolks, I am egg-intolerant so I only used them
sparingly, and always in cooking. 1 egg in (Say) a batch of pancakes was
fine, but two... <Shed> UAB! </UAB>

I *have* seen a chicken ingest a mouse. Two chickens and one mouse is
added entertainment.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 21/09/2022 20:47, RustyHinge wrote:
> On 11/09/2022 14:12, Stephen Packer wrote:
>> On Sunday, 11 September 2022 at 13:58:34 UTC+1, Tim wrote:
>>
>>> I put my finger in the Woodpecker's hole
>>> And the Woodpecker said, "Gawd bless my soul"
>>> "Take it out! Take it out! Remove it!"
>>>
>>> etc.
>>
>> Oh, 1970s rugby songs.  What an innocent time to be alive.
> I remember it from Scouts...
>

It wasn't a woodpecker, no matter what your leader said.
--
Bruce Porter
"The internet is a huge and diverse community but mainly friendly"
http://ytc1.blogspot.co.uk/
There *is* an alternative! http://www.openoffice.org/

On 22/09/2022 09:16, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 21/09/2022 20:47, RustyHinge wrote:
>> On 11/09/2022 14:12, Stephen Packer wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 11 September 2022 at 13:58:34 UTC+1, Tim wrote:
>>>
>>>> I put my finger in the Woodpecker's hole
>>>> And the Woodpecker said, "Gawd bless my soul"
>>>> "Take it out! Take it out! Remove it!"
>>>>
>>>> etc.
>>>
>>> Oh, 1970s rugby songs.  What an innocent time to be alive.
>> I remember it from Scouts...
>>
>
> It wasn't a woodpecker, no  matter what your leader said.

She *claimed* she was in the Woodpecker Patrol

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 21/09/2022 23:58, WUN wrote:
> I think they taste better, but that may be imagination.
>

I'm pretty sure it's not. We bought some supermarket "free range"[1]
eggs the other day, and they were tasteless.

One of the hillclimbers often brings some of his chicken's eggs with him
and they taste amazing, the yolk is a completely different colour as you
say.

[1] I doubt it

--
/Simon