On Wednesday, 6 April 2022 at 22:12:45 UTC+10, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
He concludes by holding USA responsible for the horrors of Ukraine.
He gets very supportive comments.

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > Rod Speed wrote
>> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> > Rod Speed wrote
>> >> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>> petzl wrote
>> >> >>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote

>> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen,
>> was
>> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly
>> the
>> >> >> case.
>> >> >> > NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>> stopped
>> >> >> > earlier by Putin.
>> >> >> > Then Ukraine too.
>> >>
>> >> >> Pity about Chechnya and the Crimea.
>> >>
>> >> > A President has to do his job.
>>
>> >> > Crush rebels
>>
>> >> Murdering those who he decides are his enemys is illegal, even in
>> >> russhia.
>>
>> > When the Govt. kills to crush rebellion it is not murder.

>> The invasion of the Ukraine isn't crushing a rebellion.

> Never said it was. It was preventive war.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

The Ukraine was never going to attack Russia.

> Like Lincoln on the South, to stop the South making an alliance with UK.

Utterly mangled all over again.

Putin is actually encouraging a break away with his invasion.

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

> On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 13:54:41 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 12:10:10 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >>
>> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 10:24:18 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> >> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 08:35:59 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> >> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in
>> the
>> >> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the
>> Ukraine.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>> happen,
>> >> was
>> >> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly
>> the
>> >> >> case.
>> >> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>> >> stopped
>> >> >> >> earlier by Putin.
>> >> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> NATO was not interested in paying Ukraine US$160 billion for a
>> >> >> >> presence there. The EU could only offer $828 million.
>> >> >> >> Russia offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
>> >> natural
>> >> >> >> gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled negotiations
>> >> with
>> >> >> >> the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Obama/Biden were then involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian
>> >> >> President
>> >> >> >> Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies.
>> >> >> >> Yushchenko was 'given Agent Orange ingredient' to poison him
>> by US
>> >> >> >> operatives. This left him disfigured.
>> >> >> >> >> Two Russians sit on a park bench in Moscow and talk,
>> suddenly
>> >> one
>> >> >> >> >> says: "You know, President Putin says that the special
>> military
>> >> >> >> >> operation in Ukraine is really a war between Russia and
>> NATO.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Pretty obvious, to any neutral observer; just that NATO is
>> >> fighting
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> the last Ukrainian.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> NATO is not involved, Ukraine weaponry is
>> >> >> US/French/Australian/British
>> >> >> > All NATO.
>> >> >> >> supplied, plus captured Russian arms.
>> >> >> >> Russia is buying American arms left by Biden from the Taliban
>> to
>> >> use
>> >> >> >> in Ukraine
>> >> >> >> >> Oh, how's it going?
>> >> >> >> >> "So far we have lost 15,800 soldiers killed, 6 Generals, 530
>> >> >> tanks,
>> >> >> >> >> 1,597 armored vehicles, 1,033 soft vehicles, 280 howitzers,
>> 82
>> >> >> >> salvage
>> >> >> >> >> pieces, 47 anti-aircraft systems, 108 aircraft, 124
>> helicopters
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> 50
>> >> >> >> >> drones," he said.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >If he quotes the Russian side he will say:
>> >> >> >> >"Those figures are theirs.
>> >> >> >> >We have also got Crimea, Donbass, got the canal water for
>> Crimea,
>> >> >> >> which was blocked, got the shoreline, destroyed their navy and
>> air
>> >> >> >> force, inflicted substantial damages to their infrastructure..
>> >> >> >> >We will attain our political objectives.
>> >> >> >> >Putin is our Lincoln."
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> "Oh, wow! And NATO?"
>> >> >> >> >> "No, they haven't showed up yet."
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Not physically, true. NATO gives them arms, aid, information,
>> >> >> >> threatens and sanctions Russia.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Actually NATO is not involved, too much of Europe need Russian
>> >> >> Gas/Oil
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The NATO leader is only a figurehead.
>> >> >> > NATO is mostly US leadership with UK as a strong follower.
>> >> >> > Biden runs NATO.
>> >> >> > Europe needs Russian fossil fuel, true, and they will get nuked
>> if
>> >> >> they
>> >> >> > invade, so they are not as jumpy as US/UK.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> This seems a probable account of the prelude, the attack
>> >> happened
>> >> >> >> >> because of America's weak corrupt and un-elected
>> "president".
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Too old for the job, yes, but a good representative of the
>> modern
>> >> >> US,
>> >> >> >> that is no longer new and fresh.
>> >> >> >> >Selfishness and greed, their Rand-Reagan legacy, made them old
>> >> >> >> prematurely.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> America now has the same problem the Old USSR had too many
>> >> bumbling
>> >> >> >> crooked geriatrics running the show.
>> >> >> >> When it fell Putin left his beloved Stasi team, then formed
>> from
>> >> his
>> >> >> >> KGB mates and steal the profitable industries creating a Putin
>> >> team
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> corrupt mega rich oligarch's.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > If you say so.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-the-mega-yachts-belonging-to-russian-oligarchs-2022-3>
>> >> >> >> https://tinyurl.com/ycf7x8hj
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > My information is that the mega yacht owning oligarchs belong to
>> >> the
>> >> >> > sellout Yeltsin era that broke Russia, which Putin fixed.
>> >> >> > The media was jumping up and down about freezing Putin's vast
>> >> wealth,
>> >> >> > stashed abroad.
>> >> >> > Did they find a kopek or cent?
>> >>
>> >> >> Yep, and his yacht.
>> >>
>> >> > No mention of that in the hostile-to-Putin media.
>>
>> >> That is a lie with the BBC and our ABC.
>>
>> > Rubbish.
>> Fact.
> Heh

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> Arindam Banerjee wrote

>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.

> He concludes by holding USA responsible for the horrors of Ukraine.

So he is a fool.

> He gets very supportive comments.

Only from fools.

On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 15:18:28 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>> petzl wrote
> >> >>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen, was
> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly the
> >> >> case.
> >> >> > NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was stopped
> >> >> > earlier by Putin.
> >> >> > Then Ukraine too.
> >>
> >> >> Pity about Chechnya and the Crimea.
> >>
> >> > A President has to do his job.
>
> >> > Crush rebels
>
> >> Murdering those who he decides are his enemys is illegal, even in
> >> russhia.
>
> > When the Govt. kills to crush rebellion it is not murder.
> The invasion of the Ukraine isn't crushing a rebellion.
>
> Neither was Georgia.
> > It is about law and order.
> > Happens everywhere.
> Nope, it has never happened here.
> >>> and rescue his kinfolk.
>
> >> That isn't what happened in Georgia.
>
> > It did,
> Bullshit it did.
Wrong.
> > just as in Crimea and Donbass.
> More of your pig ignorant bullshit.
No. Crimea is 90% Russian and was only given to Ukraine by USSR as a gift.
In Donbass there is a Russian majority of which Putin says 14000 have been killed since 2014.
> > There are Russian majorities there,
> Nope.
Liar.
> > who wanted out of Ukraine,
> They were free to return to russia. Putin
> even handed them Russian passports.
Their choice to remain in their land, and fight.
> > and be no part of the West they rather despise.
> They were free to return to russia. Putin
> even handed them Russian passports.
Why should they be pushed around, that is the question.
They were not leaving out of their free will, like legal migrants.
> > Putin had shown what he had done in Georgia.
> Yep, lied about being a peace keeping force.
Which is always violent in order to keep peace.
>
> That arsehole gets no say on what happens in a foreign country.
Only US arseholes have that right, what.
Looks like a change has come to the unipolar world.
> > His intentions regarding Ukraine had always been clear.
> > No NATO!
> He gets no say what so ever on whether the
> Ukraine gets to join the EU or NATO either.
Putin is not saying anything. He has said enough, no use there, so he is doing something - invading so as to stop Moscow getting nuked by missiles only 5 minutes away.
> >> And isn't legal when his kinfolk have chosen to move
> >> to an independent country like the Ukraine either.
>
> > Maybe not legal,
> No maybe about it.
Okay.
> > but who cares for legality when one has power.
> Most of the rest of the world.
> > Might is right, and don't Americans know it.
> > Hear what President Mugabe of Zimababwe said aboutthe NATO killings of
> > Col Gaddafi and his family in LIbya.
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH19PIVNO1E
> Not interested given who that arsehole had killed.
Okay.
Gaddafi was a great power of good for Africa with his brilliant plans for food production using underground water resources that would have fed the whole of Africa.
Now that plan has been crushed by NATO, and Libya is in ruins.
> > Pakistan always wants to invade Kashmir on religious grounds.
> > They have been unsuccessful, as they are not strong enough to do so
> Nope, because India has nukes.
India won't use nukes, unlike Pakistan has no first strike policy.
> > Russia is strong, so they did it.
> And got the sanctions when they did.
About not care much.
Evidently they prefer sanctions to insecurity from NATO and Western influence.
>
> > They could not stand the killings of Russiansin Donbass, so they had to
> > do something.
>
> More of your pig ignorant bullshit.
Wrong. That is Putin's statement. 14000 Russians in the Donbass had been killed by Ukrainians since 2014 and that is the casus belli.
>
> Putin invaded the Ukraine to get a land bridge from the
> Crimea to russia and to get the Ukrainian black see ports.

Among other things. Yes, he will also get the oil and gas around Crimea if they exist as some think they do.
Power politics works like that. Putin is a master.

> > In 1971, West Pakistan was committing atrocities upon the Bengalis of
> > East Pakistan, for months.
> > 10 million refugees came to India, as a result of the Pakistani
> > genocidal policies.

> And millions of muslims went to Pakistan when you
> Hindus killed so many of them during partition.

No, in Bengal the muslims were not killed, thanks to Gandhi's intervention - they remained there and are a very strong minority supporting the present CM.
Hindus were driven out of East Pakistan.
Muslims from Bihar were driven out, yes, and they supported the 1971 genocide. They had some brief glory in 1971 with their Paki brethren in charge, but it has been miserable for them ever since.
Sikhs on the other hand drove the Muslims out of Punjab, where there was a clean exchange of population.
Now the Muslims who went there want to come back, and that is an issue.
How Hindu refugees fleeing from persecution there should have equal status as the Muslim returnees is a deep political issue.

> > India was not that strong, then, but had to do something to stop the
> > genocide of the Bengalis, about which the world could not care less.
> > Just make polite concerned noises.
>
> > India invaded East Pakistan, captured 93000 Pakistani soldiers, and
> > created the new nation of Bangladesh. (A very satisfactory conclusion
> > for most parties.)
> And now that both have nukes, it won't happen again there.
Let us hope so.
> > The whole international community condemned the illegal invasion.
> > Bhutto the Pakistani PM wept loudly in the UN, about the illegality of
> > it all.
> > The US sent its 6th fleet to the Bay of Bengal.Pakistan was their ally,
> > and Nixon hated Indians.
>
> Bullshit. India always chose to be non aligned
> and is doing that now with Putin sanctions.

Irrelevant rubbish.
>
> > USSR saved India,
>
> Bullshit,
Ignorant rubbish.
> > both in the UN using veto and sending submarines to the Bay of Bengal.
> > Indian air force was also prepared to fight off the Americans.
> > Nixon retreated, but this incursion will never be forgotten.
> No one will forget what you arseholes got up to during partition.
Irrelevant and ignorant rubbish.
Anyway, now that Pakistan is a failed state, there is peace on the subcontinent. Bangladesh and India are doing well, much to the chagrin of foreign arseholes.
> > To do what is right, or what is necessary for survival, one has to
> > ignore what is legal.
> Putin isn't doing anything for survival.
That is not what he says.
He says that Russia is facing an existential threat from NATO nukes placed in Ukraine.
So before Ukraine can join NATO, Ukraine must be neutralized.

On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 16:32:14 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> > Arindam Banerjee wrote
>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>
> > He concludes by holding USA responsible for the horrors of Ukraine.
> So he is a fool.
He was very unlike you.
> > He gets very supportive comments.
> Only from fools.
Those unlike you.
I have no doubt you have plenty of support as the western media broadcasts your thoughts.
But it is good to hear something truthful and insightful, so I posted the link.

On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 16:20:39 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 13:54:41 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >>
> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 12:10:10 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> >> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 10:24:18 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> >> >> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 08:35:59 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> >> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> >> >> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in
> >> the
> >> >> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the
> >> Ukraine.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
> >> happen,
> >> >> was
> >> >> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly
> >> the
> >> >> >> case.
> >> >> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
> >> >> stopped
> >> >> >> >> earlier by Putin.
> >> >> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> NATO was not interested in paying Ukraine US$160 billion for a
> >> >> >> >> presence there. The EU could only offer $828 million.
> >> >> >> >> Russia offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
> >> >> natural
> >> >> >> >> gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled negotiations
> >> >> with
> >> >> >> >> the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Obama/Biden were then involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian
> >> >> >> President
> >> >> >> >> Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western allies..
> >> >> >> >> Yushchenko was 'given Agent Orange ingredient' to poison him
> >> by US
> >> >> >> >> operatives. This left him disfigured.
> >> >> >> >> >> Two Russians sit on a park bench in Moscow and talk,
> >> suddenly
> >> >> one
> >> >> >> >> >> says: "You know, President Putin says that the special
> >> military
> >> >> >> >> >> operation in Ukraine is really a war between Russia and
> >> NATO.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Pretty obvious, to any neutral observer; just that NATO is
> >> >> fighting
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> the last Ukrainian.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> NATO is not involved, Ukraine weaponry is
> >> >> >> US/French/Australian/British
> >> >> >> > All NATO.
> >> >> >> >> supplied, plus captured Russian arms.
> >> >> >> >> Russia is buying American arms left by Biden from the Taliban
> >> to
> >> >> use
> >> >> >> >> in Ukraine
> >> >> >> >> >> Oh, how's it going?
> >> >> >> >> >> "So far we have lost 15,800 soldiers killed, 6 Generals, 530
> >> >> >> tanks,
> >> >> >> >> >> 1,597 armored vehicles, 1,033 soft vehicles, 280 howitzers,
> >> 82
> >> >> >> >> salvage
> >> >> >> >> >> pieces, 47 anti-aircraft systems, 108 aircraft, 124
> >> helicopters
> >> >> >> and
> >> >> >> >> 50
> >> >> >> >> >> drones," he said.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >If he quotes the Russian side he will say:
> >> >> >> >> >"Those figures are theirs.
> >> >> >> >> >We have also got Crimea, Donbass, got the canal water for
> >> Crimea,
> >> >> >> >> which was blocked, got the shoreline, destroyed their navy and
> >> air
> >> >> >> >> force, inflicted substantial damages to their infrastructure.
> >> >> >> >> >We will attain our political objectives.
> >> >> >> >> >Putin is our Lincoln."
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> "Oh, wow! And NATO?"
> >> >> >> >> >> "No, they haven't showed up yet."
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Not physically, true. NATO gives them arms, aid, information,
> >> >> >> >> threatens and sanctions Russia.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Actually NATO is not involved, too much of Europe need Russian
> >> >> >> Gas/Oil
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > The NATO leader is only a figurehead.
> >> >> >> > NATO is mostly US leadership with UK as a strong follower.
> >> >> >> > Biden runs NATO.
> >> >> >> > Europe needs Russian fossil fuel, true, and they will get nuked
> >> if
> >> >> >> they
> >> >> >> > invade, so they are not as jumpy as US/UK.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> This seems a probable account of the prelude, the attack
> >> >> happened
> >> >> >> >> >> because of America's weak corrupt and un-elected
> >> "president".
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Too old for the job, yes, but a good representative of the
> >> modern
> >> >> >> US,
> >> >> >> >> that is no longer new and fresh.
> >> >> >> >> >Selfishness and greed, their Rand-Reagan legacy, made them old
> >> >> >> >> prematurely.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> America now has the same problem the Old USSR had too many
> >> >> bumbling
> >> >> >> >> crooked geriatrics running the show.
> >> >> >> >> When it fell Putin left his beloved Stasi team, then formed
> >> from
> >> >> his
> >> >> >> >> KGB mates and steal the profitable industries creating a Putin
> >> >> team
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> corrupt mega rich oligarch's.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > If you say so.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> <https://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-the-mega-yachts-belonging-to-russian-oligarchs-2022-3>
> >> >> >> >> https://tinyurl.com/ycf7x8hj
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > My information is that the mega yacht owning oligarchs belong to
> >> >> the
> >> >> >> > sellout Yeltsin era that broke Russia, which Putin fixed.
> >> >> >> > The media was jumping up and down about freezing Putin's vast
> >> >> wealth,
> >> >> >> > stashed abroad.
> >> >> >> > Did they find a kopek or cent?
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Yep, and his yacht.
> >> >>
> >> >> > No mention of that in the hostile-to-Putin media.
> >>
> >> >> That is a lie with the BBC and our ABC.
> >>
> >> > Rubbish.
> >> Fact.
> > Heh
> Pathetic.
> >> > Had they found something Putin had stashed somewherein the West they
> >> > would repeat it night and day.
>
> >> Nope, they only said it the one time.
>
> > My point proven.
> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
No, it is very clear.
Had they got something they would parade it night and day.
While all they have got is lies, spread by liars like you.
> >> >> >> > When I was in Moscow, staying at the best hotel there, I found
> >> they
> >> >> >> were
> >> >> >> > using second hand Mercedes cars renovated in Lithuania.
> >> >> >> > And yes, we could afford to stay there.
> >> >> >> > Unlike in US, where there is no chance of staying in similar
> >> >> luxury.
> >> >> >> > The best Russians are spiritual, not materialistic.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > If they are very rich they evidently do not flaunt their wealth
> >> as
> >> >> >> > Americans do.
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Pity about those super yachts, some of which
> >> >> >> are worth the best part of a billion bucks.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Putin and his mates are not crying about them.
> >>
> >> >> No point in crying, won't help a bit.
> >>
> >> > It does not look like they are asking for help!
> >> No point in doing that.
> >> > Quite the opposite. They are weathering all the sanctions.
> >> Bullshit they are with all the seized megayachts and funds and houses.
> > No doubt they feel compensated by increased security from*not* having
> > NATO nukes five minutes away from Moscow.
> There are no NATO nukes in Poland and it is a lot closer to Moscow.
> >> > Fact is they do not care about their foreign loot, if any.
>
> >> Must be why they moved some of them to the Maldives etc.
>
> > Lucky for Maldives.
> Pathetic.
> >> > Which means they are not that way corrupt,
>
> >> So those billion dollar mega yachts were
> >> all paid for using the piggy bank, eh ?
>
> > Which yacht belongs to Putin by registration is the question.
> Nope, registration is irrelevant. It is obvious who uses and owns it.
No, registration is highly relevant, for showing ownership.
True everywhere.

On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 23:52:09 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>> > He has all the powers of the Czars
>> Bullshit he does. The Czars didnt have to run
>> in elections, and all policy was decided by them.
>
>All top leaders have kingly powers with controls.
>For they are the modern substitutes.
>Putin has more than most, with a highly
>supportive parliament and practically no opposition.
>
With Putin any non-supporter disappears or is found dead by
"Putin proletariat poisoning"
>
>>
>> > and more efficient usage
>.
>> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
>
>Lame abuse. You really are ignorant, but your pretensions are even
>higher. But let me not concern with your deficiencies.
>The Czars did not have an efficient bureaucracy.
>Putin has one.
>
Right now Putin is lying about his armies Ukraine war crimes.

Putin's next step will be to execute the witnesses,
which are those carrying out Putin's genocidal orders
--
Petzl
**On March fourteenth, in the year of our Lord. Eighteen eighty three
Karl Marx made his most important contribution to mankind...
He died**

They just weren’t doing Communism properly,
Say all of today’s Communists?

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money.

All governments lie about some things, but Ordogs totalitarian
governments lie about everything.

There is no difference between communism and socialism,
except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
communism proposes to enslave men by force,
socialism - by vote.
It is merely the difference between murder and suicide

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 16:11:12 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> The invasion of the Ukraine isn't crushing a rebellion.
>
>> Never said it was. It was preventive war.
>
>Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
>
>The Ukraine was never going to attack Russia.
>
Correct. The Ukraine was content with Putin's $1.5 billion loan (EU
only offered $80 million)
Putin also took one third off the price of gas in same deal
>
>> Like Lincoln on the South, to stop the South making an alliance with UK.
>
>Utterly mangled all over again.
>
>Putin is actually encouraging a break away with his invasion.
>
Also more NATO members!
Finland and Sweden are looking at becoming NATO members, with nuclear
arsenals, Poland has no objection to nuclear arsenals being placed
there either.
Also Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania!

Russia options have become that of a steak, Rare, Medium or Well Done!
--
Petzl
There is no difference between communism and socialism,
except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
communism proposes to enslave men by force,
socialism - by vote.
It is merely the difference between murder and suicide.

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 10:18:59 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> He also claimed that the russian troops invading Georgia
>>> were peace keepers. Only a fool believes that.
>
>>> He also lied about the badgeless russian
>>> troops in the eastern ukraine since 2014.
>
>>> The real reason for the invasion of the Ukraine is to have
>>> a land bridge between the Crimea and the rest of Russia.
>
>> Totally agree
>> Putin is just a tyrannical lying POS
>
>And a psychopath who has his enemys murdered.
>
>> like unelected Joe Biden
>
>Nothing like in fact.
>
The Democrats know a strategic war is good for the American economy
--
Petzl
"Our" Media and Major parties are run by lobbyists

Lobbyists write the laws, parliament sells the laws,
paid lucrative commissions for passing their laws.
That’s the modern legislative business of parliament.

When we talk about paying-off politicians in third-world
countries we call it bribery.
However, when we undertake the same process in parliament.
we call it lobbying.

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 10:10:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 08:42:13 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 14:55:23 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 05:51:22 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>> > Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>> Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>>>> series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>>>>
>>>> Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>
>>> Everything to do with NATO, which is his point.
>>> He supports Putin, and puts the blame of the invasion on USA.
>>> Like it or not, that is what he says, following what the Russians say
>>> in their interviews.
>>> Why NATO at all after the Cold War was over, is the larger question.
>>> It cannot co-exist with UN.
>>>
>> The UN is run and controlled by members that are guilty of war crimes
>> 40% (China one) of them do not recognize human rights. So unlikely to
>> kick Russia out based on human rights.
>
>And since Russia has a veto, it isn't even possible to do that.
>
The USSR did do not know about Russia.
China has the right of veto
--
Petzl
15 - The number of FBI agents sent to investigate Bubba Wallace's garage door handle
25 - The number of FBI agents sent to arrest Roger Stone while sleeping in his pajamas
0 - The number of FBI agents sent to see Joe or Hunter Biden after given a laptop showing Quid Pro Quo.

The wheels are coming off.

Trump's inspired massive MAGA tsunami turnout forced them to cheat so big they lost their minds in a fraud frenzy.

Their Unconstitutional legal moves alone are dooming them.

"I caught the swamp. I caught them all" -- DJT

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> He also claimed that the russian troops invading Georgia
>>>> were peace keepers. Only a fool believes that.
>>
>>>> He also lied about the badgeless russian
>>>> troops in the eastern ukraine since 2014.
>>
>>>> The real reason for the invasion of the Ukraine is to have
>>>> a land bridge between the Crimea and the rest of Russia.
>>
>>> Totally agree
>>> Putin is just a tyrannical lying POS
>>
>> And a psychopath who has his enemys murdered.
>>
>>> like unelected Joe Biden
>>
>> Nothing like in fact.
>>
> The Democrats know a strategic war is good for the American economy

How odd that they haven't done that this time.

And it took Slick a long time to get involved in Bosnia etc.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 10:10:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 08:42:13 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 14:55:23 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 05:51:22 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>> > Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>> Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>>>>> series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>
>>>> Everything to do with NATO, which is his point.
>>>> He supports Putin, and puts the blame of the invasion on USA.
>>>> Like it or not, that is what he says, following what the Russians say
>>>> in their interviews.
>>>> Why NATO at all after the Cold War was over, is the larger question.
>>>> It cannot co-exist with UN.
>>>>
>>> The UN is run and controlled by members that are guilty of war crimes
>>> 40% (China one) of them do not recognize human rights. So unlikely to
>>> kick Russia out based on human rights.
>>
>> And since Russia has a veto, it isn't even possible to do that.
>>
> The USSR did do not know about Russia.

It is russia that has the veto, not the USSR, and the USSR doesnt even
exist anymore.

> China has the right of veto

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 19:38:12 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> He also claimed that the russian troops invading Georgia
>>>>> were peace keepers. Only a fool believes that.
>>>
>>>>> He also lied about the badgeless russian
>>>>> troops in the eastern ukraine since 2014.
>>>
>>>>> The real reason for the invasion of the Ukraine is to have
>>>>> a land bridge between the Crimea and the rest of Russia.
>>>
>>>> Totally agree
>>>> Putin is just a tyrannical lying POS
>>>
>>> And a psychopath who has his enemys murdered.
>>>
>>>> like unelected Joe Biden
>>>
>>> Nothing like in fact.
>>>
>> The Democrats know a strategic war is good for the American economy
>
>How odd that they haven't done that this time.
>
As long as the Ukraine is costing Russia $$$$ other European countries
will be buying military equipment from US.
>
>And it took Slick a long time to get involved in Bosnia etc.
>
No money in it, no interest from the wealthy nations.
--
Petzl
Gough Whitlam when Joe Riordan lost the seat of Philip in Sydney’s
eastern suburbs. “Comrade, comrade, how negligent of you. To lose a
seat in which there is not one but three cemeteries is unforgivable.”

I had an uncle that lived in Wellington. He voted Liberal all his
life until he passed away 10 years ago. Now he votes Labor.

On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 19:40:23 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>
>> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 10:10:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 08:42:13 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 14:55:23 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 05:51:22 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>>> > Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>>> Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>>>>>> series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>>
>>>>> Everything to do with NATO, which is his point.
>>>>> He supports Putin, and puts the blame of the invasion on USA.
>>>>> Like it or not, that is what he says, following what the Russians say
>>>>> in their interviews.
>>>>> Why NATO at all after the Cold War was over, is the larger question.
>>>>> It cannot co-exist with UN.
>>>>>
>>>> The UN is run and controlled by members that are guilty of war crimes
>>>> 40% (China one) of them do not recognize human rights. So unlikely to
>>>> kick Russia out based on human rights.
>>>
>>> And since Russia has a veto, it isn't even possible to do that.
>>>
>> The USSR did do not know about Russia.
>
>It is russia that has the veto, not the USSR, and the USSR doesnt even
>exist anymore.
>
Agreed.
Not sure how Russia was given the same standing aqs the USSR?
If indeed it has.
>> China has the right of veto
--
Petzl
Stalin has decreed that murder is a capitalist disease; there is no
murder in a communist paradise. The soviet governments job was to
shoot and kill anyone who had proof of something different

"Our" government and media decree that this "secular multiculturalism
paradise" does not have immigrant crime and remove anyone stating
different!.

On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 18:35:11 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 23:52:09 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > He has all the powers of the Czars
> >> Bullshit he does. The Czars didnt have to run
> >> in elections, and all policy was decided by them.
> >
> >All top leaders have kingly powers with controls.
> >For they are the modern substitutes.
> >Putin has more than most, with a highly
> >supportive parliament and practically no opposition.
> >
> With Putin any non-supporter disappears or is found dead by
> "Putin proletariat poisoning"

Who knows. Those who want Putin out will say anything.
> >
> >>
> >> > and more efficient usage
> >.
> >> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
> >
> >Lame abuse. You really are ignorant, but your pretensions are even
> >higher. But let me not concern with your deficiencies.
> >The Czars did not have an efficient bureaucracy.
> >Putin has one.
> >
> Right now Putin is lying about his armies Ukraine war crimes.

Again, who knows. Collateral damage of 11 million was done by US Presidents, so Putin has a long way to go to catch up to US standards.
>
> Putin's next step will be to execute the witnesses,
> which are those carrying out Putin's genocidal orders

Who knows. Liars who forgive their own vast crimes can say anything, but need not expect to be believed.
> --
> Petzl
> **On March fourteenth, in the year of our Lord. Eighteen eighty three
> Karl Marx made his most important contribution to mankind...
> He died**
>
> They just weren’t doing Communism properly,
> Say all of today’s Communists?
>
> The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
> people's money.
>
> All governments lie about some things, but Ordogs totalitarian
> governments lie about everything.
>
> There is no difference between communism and socialism,
> except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
> communism proposes to enslave men by force,
> socialism - by vote.
> It is merely the difference between murder and suicide

On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 18:52:54 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 16:11:12 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> The invasion of the Ukraine isn't crushing a rebellion.
> >
> >> Never said it was. It was preventive war.
> >
> >Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

No, you are too much of a fool to understand even simple things.
> >The Ukraine was never going to attack Russia.

NATO would, through Ukraine, idiot.
NATO is evil and offensive aggressor, thanks to US hegemony.

> Correct. The Ukraine was content with Putin's $1.5 billion loan (EU
> only offered $80 million)
> Putin also took one third off the price of gas in same deal
> >
> >> Like Lincoln on the South, to stop the South making an alliance with UK.
> >
> >Utterly mangled all over again.

You are a fool, can't understand simple things.
Putin could not attack Ukraine is Ukraine was part of NATO.
So he had to attack before Ukraine became part of NATO.
> >
> >Putin is actually encouraging a break away with his invasion.

Ukraine is already broken away, fool.
And also being harmful to those of Russian background, with a civil war in the Donbass.

> >
> Also more NATO members!
> Finland and Sweden are looking at becoming NATO members, with nuclear
> arsenals, Poland has no objection to nuclear arsenals being placed
> there either.
> Also Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania!

Poland and Russia have always been enemies, save during the Cold War.
Similarly for others.
So I expect that their hostile behaviour is only to be expected by Russia.
But Ukraine was different. Kyiv is the source of their religion. They got plenty of benefits from USSR and Russia.
If Finland tries to join NATO Putin may attack first, given the long border.
>
> Russia options have become that of a steak, Rare, Medium or Well Done!

As things are, they are feasting upon Crimea, Donbass and now got a land route from Crimea to mainland Russia.
Ukraine/NATO has not got an inch of Russian territory.
Zelensky is no Alexander the Great. He cannot defeat Russia the way Alex defeated the Persians.
There is no way Ukraine can win.
Ukraine is not the UK attacked by Hitler, not even Taiwan threatened by China.
There are huge land borders between Ukraine and Russia, so there will always be lines of communication that cannot be broken. No seas.
To urge them to keep on fighting is criminal, most cruel and wrong.

People who want to live in a fool's paradise, full of lies, may do so.
Russia is confident that NATO will not attack for Russia has plenty of nukes.
They will remain in Ukraine until their demands are met.

> --
> Petzl
> There is no difference between communism and socialism,
> except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
> communism proposes to enslave men by force,
> socialism - by vote.
> It is merely the difference between murder and suicide.

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

> On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 16:20:39 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 13:54:41 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >>
>> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 12:10:10 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> >> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 10:24:18 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> >> >> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 08:35:59 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 15:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> >> >> >> >> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 06:37:38 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 05:51:16 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>> >> >> >> >> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the
>> >> Ukraine.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>> >> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to
>> >> happen,
>> >> >> was
>> >> >> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is
>> exactly
>> >> the
>> >> >> >> case.
>> >> >> >> >> >NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>> >> >> stopped
>> >> >> >> >> earlier by Putin.
>> >> >> >> >> >Then Ukraine too. Trump armed them.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> NATO was not interested in paying Ukraine US$160 billion
>> for a
>> >> >> >> >> presence there. The EU could only offer $828 million.
>> >> >> >> >> Russia offered Ukraine a $15 billion loan and to cut Russian
>> >> >> natural
>> >> >> >> >> gas prices by almost a third. Yanukovych canceled
>> negotiations
>> >> >> with
>> >> >> >> >> the EU and accepted Putin’s offer.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Obama/Biden were then involved in a scheme to oust Ukrainian
>> >> >> >> President
>> >> >> >> >> Yanukovych and replace his administration with Western
>> allies.
>> >> >> >> >> Yushchenko was 'given Agent Orange ingredient' to poison him
>> >> by US
>> >> >> >> >> operatives. This left him disfigured.
>> >> >> >> >> >> Two Russians sit on a park bench in Moscow and talk,
>> >> suddenly
>> >> >> one
>> >> >> >> >> >> says: "You know, President Putin says that the special
>> >> military
>> >> >> >> >> >> operation in Ukraine is really a war between Russia and
>> >> NATO.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Pretty obvious, to any neutral observer; just that NATO is
>> >> >> fighting
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> >> the last Ukrainian.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> NATO is not involved, Ukraine weaponry is
>> >> >> >> US/French/Australian/British
>> >> >> >> > All NATO.
>> >> >> >> >> supplied, plus captured Russian arms.
>> >> >> >> >> Russia is buying American arms left by Biden from the
>> Taliban
>> >> to
>> >> >> use
>> >> >> >> >> in Ukraine
>> >> >> >> >> >> Oh, how's it going?
>> >> >> >> >> >> "So far we have lost 15,800 soldiers killed, 6 Generals,
>> 530
>> >> >> >> tanks,
>> >> >> >> >> >> 1,597 armored vehicles, 1,033 soft vehicles, 280
>> howitzers,
>> >> 82
>> >> >> >> >> salvage
>> >> >> >> >> >> pieces, 47 anti-aircraft systems, 108 aircraft, 124
>> >> helicopters
>> >> >> >> and
>> >> >> >> >> 50
>> >> >> >> >> >> drones," he said.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >If he quotes the Russian side he will say:
>> >> >> >> >> >"Those figures are theirs.
>> >> >> >> >> >We have also got Crimea, Donbass, got the canal water for
>> >> Crimea,
>> >> >> >> >> which was blocked, got the shoreline, destroyed their navy
>> and
>> >> air
>> >> >> >> >> force, inflicted substantial damages to their
>> infrastructure.
>> >> >> >> >> >We will attain our political objectives.
>> >> >> >> >> >Putin is our Lincoln."
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> "Oh, wow! And NATO?"
>> >> >> >> >> >> "No, they haven't showed up yet."
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Not physically, true. NATO gives them arms, aid,
>> information,
>> >> >> >> >> threatens and sanctions Russia.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Actually NATO is not involved, too much of Europe need
>> Russian
>> >> >> >> Gas/Oil
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > The NATO leader is only a figurehead.
>> >> >> >> > NATO is mostly US leadership with UK as a strong follower.
>> >> >> >> > Biden runs NATO.
>> >> >> >> > Europe needs Russian fossil fuel, true, and they will get
>> nuked
>> >> if
>> >> >> >> they
>> >> >> >> > invade, so they are not as jumpy as US/UK.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >> This seems a probable account of the prelude, the attack
>> >> >> happened
>> >> >> >> >> >> because of America's weak corrupt and un-elected
>> >> "president".
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >Too old for the job, yes, but a good representative of the
>> >> modern
>> >> >> >> US,
>> >> >> >> >> that is no longer new and fresh.
>> >> >> >> >> >Selfishness and greed, their Rand-Reagan legacy, made them
>> old
>> >> >> >> >> prematurely.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> America now has the same problem the Old USSR had too many
>> >> >> bumbling
>> >> >> >> >> crooked geriatrics running the show.
>> >> >> >> >> When it fell Putin left his beloved Stasi team, then formed
>> >> from
>> >> >> his
>> >> >> >> >> KGB mates and steal the profitable industries creating a
>> Putin
>> >> >> team
>> >> >> >> of
>> >> >> >> >> corrupt mega rich oligarch's.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > If you say so.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-the-mega-yachts-belonging-to-russian-oligarchs-2022-3>
>> >> >> >> >> https://tinyurl.com/ycf7x8hj
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > My information is that the mega yacht owning oligarchs
>> belong to
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> >> > sellout Yeltsin era that broke Russia, which Putin fixed.
>> >> >> >> > The media was jumping up and down about freezing Putin's vast
>> >> >> wealth,
>> >> >> >> > stashed abroad.
>> >> >> >> > Did they find a kopek or cent?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Yep, and his yacht.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > No mention of that in the hostile-to-Putin media.
>> >>
>> >> >> That is a lie with the BBC and our ABC.
>> >>
>> >> > Rubbish.
>> >> Fact.
>> > Heh
>> Pathetic.
>> >> > Had they found something Putin had stashed somewherein the West
>> they
>> >> > would repeat it night and day.
>>
>> >> Nope, they only said it the one time.
>>
>> > My point proven.

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > Rod Speed wrote
>> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> > Rod Speed wrote
>> >> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>> petzl wrote
>> >> >>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote

>> >> >> >> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>> >> >> >> >> Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>> >> >> >> >series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Nothing to do with NATO.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Putin's claim was the invasion, he denied was going to happen,
>> was
>> >> >> >> because the Ukraine was going to join NATO?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Yes, if you go through the video you will see that is exactly
>> the
>> >> >> case.
>> >> >> > NATO was trying to get Georgia into its orbit, and that was
>> stopped
>> >> >> > earlier by Putin.
>> >> >> > Then Ukraine too.
>> >>
>> >> >> Pity about Chechnya and the Crimea.
>> >>
>> >> > A President has to do his job.
>>
>> >> > Crush rebels
>>
>> >> Murdering those who he decides are his enemys is illegal, even in
>> >> russhia.
>>
>> > When the Govt. kills to crush rebellion it is not murder.
>> The invasion of the Ukraine isn't crushing a rebellion.
>>
>> Neither was Georgia.
>> > It is about law and order.
>> > Happens everywhere.
>> Nope, it has never happened here.
>> >>> and rescue his kinfolk.
>>
>> >> That isn't what happened in Georgia.
>>
>> > It did,
>> Bullshit it did.

> Wrong.

Yes you are, as always.

>> > just as in Crimea and Donbass.

>> More of your pig ignorant bullshit.

> No. Crimea is 90% Russian and was only given to Ukraine by USSR as a
> gift.

> In Donbass there is a Russian majority

Only because they moved there from Russia for the free housing.

> of which Putin says 14000 have been killed since 2014.

Of course Putin never lies about anything eh ?

>> > There are Russian majorities there,

>> Nope.

> Liar.

Yes you are.

>> > who wanted out of Ukraine,

>> They were free to return to russia. Putin
>> even handed them Russian passports.

> Their choice to remain in their land, and fight.

It isnt their land.

>> > and be no part of the West they rather despise.

>> They were free to return to russia. Putin
>> even handed them Russian passports.

> Why should they be pushed around, that is the question.

Because they moved there from russia.

> They were not leaving out of their free will, like legal migrants.

If they don't like the idea of the Ukraine joining the EU, they
are free to fuck off back to russia where they came from.

>> > Putin had shown what he had done in Georgia.

>> Yep, lied about being a peace keeping force.

> Which is always violent in order to keep peace.

Even sillier than you usually manage, and that's saying something.

>> That arsehole gets no say on what happens in a foreign country.

> Only US arseholes have that right, what.

You are pathetic.

> Looks like a change has come to the unipolar world.

Nope, Putin will get kicked out of the Ukraine, just
like Gorby was kicked out of Germany, you watch.

>> > His intentions regarding Ukraine had always been clear.
>> > No NATO!

>> He gets no say what so ever on whether the
>> Ukraine gets to join the EU or NATO either.

> Putin is not saying anything. He has said enough, no use there, so he
> is doing something - invading so as to stop Moscow getting nuked by
> missiles only 5 minutes away.

Pity about Poland which is even closer.

>> >> And isn't legal when his kinfolk have chosen to move
>> >> to an independent country like the Ukraine either.
>>
>> > Maybe not legal,

>> No maybe about it.

> Okay.

>> > but who cares for legality when one has power.

>> Most of the rest of the world.

>> > Might is right, and don't Americans know it.
>> > Hear what President Mugabe of Zimababwe said aboutthe NATO killings of
>> > Col Gaddafi and his family in LIbya.
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gH19PIVNO1E

>> Not interested given who that arsehole had killed.

> Okay.

> Gaddafi was a great power of good for Africa with his brilliant plans
> for food production using underground water resources that would have
> fed the whole of Africa.

Complete and utter pig ignorant bullshit.

How odd that his own country killed him.

> Now that plan has been crushed by NATO,

Nope, he was killed by Libyans.

> and Libya is in ruins.

The entire middle east except for Israel and Saudi are.

>> > Pakistan always wants to invade Kashmir on religious grounds.
>> > They have been unsuccessful, as they are not strong enough to do so

>> Nope, because India has nukes.

> India won't use nukes, unlike Pakistan has no first strike policy.

That is pig ignorant bullshit.

>> > Russia is strong, so they did it.

>> And got the sanctions when they did.

> About not care much.

> Evidently they prefer sanctions to insecurity from NATO and Western
> influence.

We'll see...

>> > They could not stand the killings of Russians in Donbass, so they had
>> to
>> > do something.

>> More of your pig ignorant bullshit.

> Wrong.

Yes you are, as always.

> That is Putin's statement.

Corse he never ever lies, eh ?

Never lied about not invading the Ukraine, eh ?

Never lied that those badgeless troops weren't
anything to do with him, eh ?

> 14000 Russians in the Donbass had been killedby Ukrainians since 2014
> and that is the casus belli.

He gets no say in what happens in a foreign country.

>> Putin invaded the Ukraine to get a land bridge from the
>> Crimea to russia and to get the Ukrainian black see ports.

> Among other things. Yes, he will also get the oil and gas around Crimea
> if they exist as some think they do.

Doesnt need it, he has plenty of that already.

> Power politics works like that. Putin is a master.

Must be why he wasn't sanctioned.

>> > In 1971, West Pakistan was committing atrocities upon the Bengalis of
>> > East Pakistan, for months.

>> > 10 million refugees came to India, as a result of the Pakistani
>> > genocidal policies.

>> And millions of muslims went to Pakistan when you
>> Hindus killed so many of them during partition.

> No,

Yep.

> in Bengal the muslims were not killed, thanks to Gandhi's intervention -
> they remained there and are a very strong minority supporting the
> present CM.

Pity about what happened during partition.

> Hindus were driven out of East Pakistan.

Corse you Hindus never drove out any muslims during partition, eh ?

> Muslims from Bihar were driven out, yes, and they supported the 1971
> genocide. They had some brief glory in 1971 with their Paki brethren in
> charge, but it has been miserable for them ever since.
> Sikhs on the other hand drove the Muslims out of Punjab, where there was
> a clean exchange of population.
> Now the Muslims who went there want to come back, and that is an issue.
> How Hindu refugees fleeing from persecution there should have equal
> status as the Muslim returnees is a deep political issue.

You stupid fucks should stop killing each other.

>> > India was not that strong, then, but had to do something to stop the
>> > genocide of the Bengalis, about which the world could not care less.
>> > Just make polite concerned noises.
>>
>> > India invaded East Pakistan, captured 93000 Pakistani soldiers, and
>> > created the new nation of Bangladesh. (A very satisfactory conclusion
>> > for most parties.)

>> And now that both have nukes, it won't happen again there.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>> He also claimed that the russian troops invading Georgia
>>>>>> were peace keepers. Only a fool believes that.
>>>>
>>>>>> He also lied about the badgeless russian
>>>>>> troops in the eastern ukraine since 2014.
>>>>
>>>>>> The real reason for the invasion of the Ukraine is to have
>>>>>> a land bridge between the Crimea and the rest of Russia.
>>>>
>>>>> Totally agree
>>>>> Putin is just a tyrannical lying POS
>>>>
>>>> And a psychopath who has his enemys murdered.
>>>>
>>>>> like unelected Joe Biden
>>>>
>>>> Nothing like in fact.
>>>>
>>> The Democrats know a strategic war is good for the American economy

>> How odd that they haven't done that this time.

> As long as the Ukraine is costing Russia $$$$ other Europeancountries
> will be buying military equipment from US.

Not because of the invasion of the Ukraine.

>> And it took Slick a long time to get involved in Bosnia etc.

> No money in it, no interest from the wealthy nations.

How odd that the european countrys did.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 19:40:23 +1000, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 10:10:13 +1000, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 07 Apr 2022 08:42:13 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 14:55:23 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>>>>> <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 05:51:22 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMzZ_lVHv_A
>>>>>>> > Mersheimer sounds reasonable.
>>>>>>> Bullshit he does. The Ukraine is just the most recent in the
>>>>>>> series of Chechnya, Georgia, the Crimea and now the Ukraine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nothing to do with NATO.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Everything to do with NATO, which is his point.
>>>>>> He supports Putin, and puts the blame of the invasion on USA.
>>>>>> Like it or not, that is what he says, following what the Russians
>>>>>> say
>>>>>> in their interviews.
>>>>>> Why NATO at all after the Cold War was over, is the larger question.
>>>>>> It cannot co-exist with UN.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The UN is run and controlled by members that are guilty of war crimes
>>>>> 40% (China one) of them do not recognize human rights. So unlikely to
>>>>> kick Russia out based on human rights.
>>>>
>>>> And since Russia has a veto, it isn't even possible to do that.
>>>>
>>> The USSR did do not know about Russia.
>>
>> It is russia that has the veto, not the USSR, and the USSR doesnt even
>> exist anymore.
>>
> Agreed.
> Not sure how Russia was given the same standing aqs the USSR?
> If indeed it has.

It never was. That security council veto stupidity was
just after the war, there was no USSR then.

>>> China has the right of veto

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> petzl wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote

>> >>> The invasion of the Ukraine isn't crushing a rebellion.
>> >
>> >> Never said it was. It was preventive war.
>> >
>> >Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> No, you are too much of a fool to understand even simple things.

You never could bullshit your way out of a wet paper bag.

>> >The Ukraine was never going to attack Russia.

> NATO would, through Ukraine, idiot.

Even sillier than you usually manage, fuckwit.

> NATO is evil and offensive aggressor,

Corse Putin is never ever anything like that, eh ?

> thanks to US hegemony.

Just another of your pathetic little rabid drug crased drunken fantasys.

>> Correct. The Ukraine was content with Putin's $1.5 billion loan (EU
>> only offered $80 million)
>> Putin also took one third off the price of gas in same deal
>> >
>> >> Like Lincoln on the South, to stop the South making an alliance with
>> UK.
>> >
>> >Utterly mangled all over again.

> You are a fool, can't understand simple things.

We'll see...

> Putin could not attack Ukraine is Ukraine was part of NATO.
> So he had to attack before Ukraine became part of NATO.

And the Ukraine will join the EU and NATO anyway, you watch.

>> >Putin is actually encouraging a break away with his invasion.

> Ukraine is already broken away, fool.

Not with that economic stuff the Pretzel was talking about, fuckwit.

> And also being harmful to those of Russianbackground, with a civil war
> in the Donbass.

It isn't a civil war, that was invasion by stealth.

>> Also more NATO members!
>> Finland and Sweden are looking at becoming NATO members, with nuclear
>> arsenals, Poland has no objection to nuclear arsenals being placed
>> there either.
>> Also Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania!

> Poland and Russia have always been enemies,

Same with the Ukraine, fuckwit.

> save during the Cold War.
> Similarly for others.
> So I expect that their hostile behaviour is only to be expected by
> Russia.
> But Ukraine was different.

Nope.

> Kyiv is the source of their religion.

Bullshit it is.

> They got plenty of benefits from USSR and Russia.

And have decided they prefer those from the EU now.

> If Finland tries to join NATO Putin may attack first, given the long
> border.

And will fail even more spectacularly than he has with the Ukraine.

>> Russia options have become that of a steak, Rare, Medium or Well Done!

> As things are, they are feasting upon Crimea, Donbass

Nope, dying like flys, actually. They have already lost more killed
in just 5 weeks than they did in 10 fucking years in Afghanistan
and will end up with the same result as they did in Afghanistan.

> and now got a land route from Crimea to mainland Russia.

It remains to be seen how long that lasts for.

> Ukraine/NATO has not got an inch of Russian territory.

Russia hasnt got an inch of the Ukraine.

> Zelensky is no Alexander the Great. He cannot defeat Russia the way Alex
> defeated the Persians.

But may well defeat russia like Afghanistan did.

> There is no way Ukraine can win.

Fools ran the same like with Afghanistan.

> Ukraine is not the UK attacked by Hitler, not even Taiwan threatened by
> China.

It is in fact remarkably similar to Afghanistan.

> There are huge land borders between Ukraine and Russia, so there will
> always be lines of communication that cannot be broken. No seas.
> To urge them to keep on fighting is criminal, most cruel and wrong.

Any urging is irrelevant, they won't be putting their hands up, you watch.

> People who want to live in a fool's paradise, full of lies, may do so.

That is precisely what you are doing.

> Russia is confident that NATO will notattack for Russia has plenty of
> nukes.

But most european countrys, even Germany are
giving arms to the Ukrainians when they ask for them.

> They will remain in Ukraine until their demands are met.

Their demands will never be met. Putin won't be around
forever, once he is gone, no one else will be that stupid.

On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 06:42:18 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, 7 April 2022 at 18:35:11 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
>> On Wed, 6 Apr 2022 23:52:09 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
>> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >> > He has all the powers of the Czars
>> >> Bullshit he does. The Czars didnt have to run
>> >> in elections, and all policy was decided by them.
>> >
>> >All top leaders have kingly powers with controls.
>> >For they are the modern substitutes.
>> >Putin has more than most, with a highly
>> >supportive parliament and practically no opposition.
>> >
>> With Putin any non-supporter disappears or is found dead by
>> "Putin proletariat poisoning"
>
>Who knows. Those who want Putin out will say anything.
>
My neighbours Russian from St Petersburg, he don't believe Stasi Putin
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > and more efficient usage
>> >.
>> >> Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
>> >
>> >Lame abuse. You really are ignorant, but your pretensions are even
>> >higher. But let me not concern with your deficiencies.
>> >The Czars did not have an efficient bureaucracy.
>> >Putin has one.
>> >
>> Right now Putin is lying about his armies Ukraine war crimes.
>
>Again, who knows. Collateral damage of 11 million was done by US Presidents, so Putin has a long way to go to catch up to US standards.
>>
Your head is full of curry, it's blinding you from thinking honestly!
My neighbours Russian from St Petersburg, he don't believe Stasi Putin
He knows it's dangerous to do so!
One had/has to be VERY careful about what one says about him.
The Stasi is still alive and well in Russia.
>
>> Putin's next step will be to execute the witnesses,
>> which are those carrying out Putin's genocidal orders
>
>Who knows. Liars who forgive their own vast crimes can say anything, but need not expect to be believed.
>
In WWII Russian prisoners from Germany were sent to USA as it was
easier to do.
Stalin had them all slaughtered because he deemed cthem to of tasted
the west.

Less than one percent control the wealth in Russia after the fall of
the Soviet union, pure evil now owns it.

You claimed you never saw a link to Putin's luxury yacht?
Here it is again!
All stolen from poor Russian People By Putin's KGB Stasi Agents when
the USSR fell.
<https://www.foxnews.com/world/inside-putins-yacht-photos>
https://tinyurl.com/y7xyudyq
--
Petzl
Joel 2:3 Before them fire devours, behind them a flame blazes.
Before them the land is like the garden of Eden,
behind them, a desert waste
-- nothing escapes them....

On Thu, 7 Apr 2022 07:10:56 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
<banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >Putin is actually encouraging a break away with his invasion.
>
>Ukraine is already broken away, fool.
>And also being harmful to those of Russian background, with a civil war in the Donbass.
>
>> >
>> Also more NATO members!
>> Finland and Sweden are looking at becoming NATO members, with nuclear
>> arsenals, Poland has no objection to nuclear arsenals being placed
>> there either.
>> Also Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania!
>
>Poland and Russia have always been enemies, save during the Cold War.
>Similarly for others.
>So I expect that their hostile behaviour is only to be expected by Russia.
>But Ukraine was different. Kyiv is the source of their religion. They got plenty of benefits from USSR and Russia.
>If Finland tries to join NATO Putin may attack first, given the long border.
>
Not only Finland, NATO will get this done quick with nuclear
deterrent's in place hopefully without Putin knowing
>>
>> Russia options have become that of a steak, Rare, Medium or Well Done!
>
>As things are, they are feasting upon Crimea, Donbass and now got a land route from Crimea to mainland Russia.
>Ukraine/NATO has not got an inch of Russian territory.
>Zelensky is no Alexander the Great. He cannot defeat Russia the way Alex defeated the Persians.
>There is no way Ukraine can win.
>Ukraine is not the UK attacked by Hitler, not even Taiwan threatened by China.
>There are huge land borders between Ukraine and Russia, so there will always be lines of communication that cannot be broken. No seas.
>To urge them to keep on fighting is criminal, most cruel and wrong.
>
>People who want to live in a fool's paradise, full of lies, may do so.
>Russia is confident that NATO will not attack for Russia has plenty of nukes.
>They will remain in Ukraine until their demands are met.
>
Malaysia airlines shot down in 2014 by Putin's secret un-badged army
in the Ukraine, but you believe Stasi Putin's propaganda.
India looks like joining NATO also.
Japan also.
While not politically desirable Putin has become a dangerous maniac to
them also.
Putin needs to be careful of his "tea"
--
Petzl
The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money. #Sir Ronald Millar

All governments lie about some things, but Ordogs totalitarian
governments lie about everything.

On March fourteenth, in the year of our Lord. Eighteen eighty three
Karl Marx made his most important contribution to mankind...
He died

There is no difference between communism and socialism,
except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
communism proposes to enslave men by force,
socialism - by vote.
It is merely the difference between murder and suicide
#Margaret Thatcher

On Fri, 08 Apr 2022 05:03:11 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> Zelensky is no Alexander the Great. He cannot defeat Russia the way Alex
>> defeated the Persians.
>
>But may well defeat russia like Afghanistan did.
>
>> There is no way Ukraine can win.
>
>Fools ran the same like with Afghanistan.
>
Russian solders killed in Ukraine is already more than those killed in
the whole time they were at war in Afghanistan.
Still think Putin's clever?
Russian Generals will be to frightened to tell Putin that!
<https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/russias-weekly-troop-losses-in-ukraine-have-already-overtaken-soviet-casualties-in-afghanistan/>
https://tinyurl.com/yc3v2py4
Russia’s weekly troop losses in Ukraine have already overtaken Soviet
casualties in Afghanistan
--
Petzl
Stalin has decreed that murder is a capitalist disease; there is no
murder in a communist paradise. The soviet governments job was to
shoot and kill anyone who had proof of something different

"Our" government and media decree that this "secular multiculturalism
paradise" does not have immigrant crime and remove anyone stating
different!.