On Friday, 8 April 2022 at 21:17:23 UTC+10, petzl wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Apr 2022 02:16:54 -0700 (PDT), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > Russia in entirety will end up "Char Grilled".
> >> Rubbish.
> >> Russia can bomb all the cities of the West and they will be rubble.
> >> The West can only bomb a few Russian cities.
> >> If the Russians do first strike they can hide away in the country.
> >> No such luck for the West.
> >
> >A hypersonic missile defence system based on my new design rail guns can help, but who is interested! No one.
> >Well, you all take your chances!
> >Hope that Putin on a whim does not nuke out Sydney or Canberra.
> >if he does, who will bother?
> >
> IF a nuclear attack goes ahead a Russian hypersonic missile defense
> system becomes pointless when all Nations surrounding Russia have
> multiple nukes pointed at their head.

Fool, long back Reagan had the wits to use rail gun technology to wipe out incoming missiles.
Nothing new here.
They never made much progress, with their high voltage design of rail gun - it was just bad.
My design will make it work.
>
> Putins' under ground shelter is pointless because it's location is
> known and will deserve target bombing with maybe a volley of
> non-nuclear MOAB designed to destroy such bunkers with high explosive
> force. They fall from outer space. Doubt i9f he will have enough time
> to get to it, should be in there now!

Fool if he is doing first strike he will be well away in some secret place.
The US President can escape, but most of the West's population cannot.
In any case the cities will be finished.
Nothing much will be left of their much vaunted wealth and proud GDP etc. after that.
Remember this, fool.
> --
> Petzl
> The Donald succeeding as president in face of Left media Trump Derangement Syndrome.
> These people need help!
> The lefties are all there trying to pile their crap on Trump saying he's no good.
> Here's a bloke who has made a fortune in the toughest property market in the world, Manhattan.
> He was top rating with his apprentice show, in the toughest TV market in the world the United States.
> He beat all those Governors, Senators and sons of Presidents in the presidents primaries
> for the Republican party, then he beat the revered Clinton machine.
> He has raised a beautiful family, his children are a wonderful tribute to him,
> "they all" say he is a hopeless failure?
> On top of that he's married to Miss World.
> So what have you got to do in life,
> what have you got to do by these rotten miserable mongrels
> in "our" media on the left, what have you got to do?
>
> The Clinton and Bush era of the last 30 years is about to come
> to an end in light of the sudden Saudi Arabian purge of Clinton
> and Bush allies.

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> petzl wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> petzl wrote
>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote

>> >> >> >Putin is actually encouraging a break away with his invasion.
>> >> >
>> >> >Ukraine is already broken away, fool.
>> >> >And also being harmful to those of Russian background, with a civil
>> war in the Donbass.
>> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Also more NATO members!
>> >> >> Finland and Sweden are looking at becoming NATO members, with
>> nuclear
>> >> >> arsenals, Poland has no objection to nuclear arsenals being placed
>> >> >> there either.
>> >> >> Also Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania!
>> >> >
>> >> >Poland and Russia have always been enemies, save during the Cold
>> War.
>> >> >Similarly for others.
>> >> >So I expect that their hostile behaviour is only to be expected by
>> Russia.
>> >> >But Ukraine was different. Kyiv is the source of their religion.
>> They got plenty of benefits from USSR and Russia.
>> >> >If Finland tries to join NATO Putin may attack first, given the
>> long border.
>> >> >
>> >> Not only Finland, NATO will get this done quick with nuclear
>> >> deterrent's in place hopefully without Putin knowing
>> >
>> >Why do you want a nuclear war?
>> >To bring Jesus Christ back from Heaven?
>> >Well, know what.
>> >Even if all nukes are exploded only 1-2 billion will die.
>> >The West will be totally destroyed.
>> >Russia is huge, they will win as their numbers will not die
>> proportionately.
>> >China and Islam will be dominant.
>> >Do you want that, fool?
>> >
>> Don't matter what I want, no country land mass will survive.
>
> It will, fool. And recover in due course. The Earth won't bother.
>
>> M.A.D.
>> Russia in entirety will end up "Char Grilled".

> Rubbish.

Your sig is sposed to be last, with a line with just -- on it in front of
it.

> Russia can bomb all the cities of the West and they will be rubble.

Nope, they don't have enough nukes for that.

> The West can only bomb a few Russian cities.

More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

> If the Russians do first strike they can hide away in the country.

Nope, the west would notice them all moving there and realise
why they are doing that and nuke them before they do that.

Yes, quite a bit of Russia would survive a full nuclear holocaust,
but so would lots of the west and my place as well.

> No such luck for the West.

Bullshit.

<reams of your even sillier stinking shit flushed where it belongs>

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > Rod Speed wrote
>> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote

>> >>>>>>> Putin has lost nothing,
>>
>> >>>>>> Bullshit. He doesn't even get to visit the west anymore.
>>
>> >>>>> My, my. What a loss!
>>
>> >>>> Clearly is if he wants to visit his kids.
>>
>> >>> His kids can come to him.
>>
>> >> They aren't actually stupid enough to return to russia.
>>
>> > They are irrelevant, fool.

>> Bullshit they are to your stupid claim that Putin has lost nothing.

> Putin means Russia, fool.

It is even more stupid to claim that Russia has lost nothing.

> Emotional blackmail by his enemies is part of what the leader ofa great
> nation may have to expect from his thieving opponents.

Russia is no great nation, it doesn't even have a GDP better
than that tiny little island off the west coast of europe.

> Russia has not lost anything,

More of your mindless bullshit with easy access to
decent modern passenger aircraft and spares, no
longer being able to fly to anywhere in europe or
much of the rest of the world, no longer able to
have its ships dock at most ports, etc etc etc.

> just gained land.

It remains to be seen for how long.

> Ukraine is the great loser as per the youtube video whose link I
> posted. They are suffering, and the US devils using their puppet
> Zelensky are doing their best to prolong it.

Zelensky is no puppet, fuckwit.

Daniel65 wrote:

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> WHAT?? Australia is part of NATO, is it?? Really??

Silly Daniel!
You just never understood International politics, that's all! :P

Not like our circle jerking DUMB3 in this newsgroup.
Of course, we are part of any and all military alliance that stands
against *COMMUNISM* and anything non conforming to our Xtian-religious and
conservative-anti-woke family values. And of course we never invade any
countries, ever, on false pretences.
Our morals are towering over the World(in fact the Universe) and bring
democracy, our free marketeers, our multinational corporations, and our
billionairs to your miserable lowlife countries, be you dead or alive in
the end, it matters not.

Amen!

--
Ördög - - the one and only newsgroup Devil.

Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:

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poster inputs /
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> Dragged him from a drain he was hiding in then Killed him by raping his
> arsehole with a pick handle much to the joy to the people of Libya!

Long live due process and the rule of law, eh Petz dear?
As we know, after our friendly intervention our superior Western democracy
rules Libia right now as a bright example to all countries to see how it
is done properly...NOT!

~~~
RE: your Dumb3-shit Islamophobic verbal vomit sig:

> If it's in the Koran, it's Allah's word ...

.... and it certainly comes from the very same shit origins as the other
two Abrahamic religions. After all Allah simply mean GOD in Arabic, (the
very same sky-fairy you grovel to, Petz dear)
~~~

--
Ördög
The real one (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)

Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables, idiots like
Petz and his fellow septic and OZ crazies.
They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 04:03:19 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> > petzl wrote
> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >>> petzl wrote
> >>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> >> >> >> >Putin is actually encouraging a break away with his invasion.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Ukraine is already broken away, fool.
> >> >> >And also being harmful to those of Russian background, with a civil
> >> war in the Donbass.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Also more NATO members!
> >> >> >> Finland and Sweden are looking at becoming NATO members, with
> >> nuclear
> >> >> >> arsenals, Poland has no objection to nuclear arsenals being placed
> >> >> >> there either.
> >> >> >> Also Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Poland and Russia have always been enemies, save during the Cold
> >> War.
> >> >> >Similarly for others.
> >> >> >So I expect that their hostile behaviour is only to be expected by
> >> Russia.
> >> >> >But Ukraine was different. Kyiv is the source of their religion.
> >> They got plenty of benefits from USSR and Russia.
> >> >> >If Finland tries to join NATO Putin may attack first, given the
> >> long border.
> >> >> >
> >> >> Not only Finland, NATO will get this done quick with nuclear
> >> >> deterrent's in place hopefully without Putin knowing
> >> >
> >> >Why do you want a nuclear war?
> >> >To bring Jesus Christ back from Heaven?
> >> >Well, know what.
> >> >Even if all nukes are exploded only 1-2 billion will die.
> >> >The West will be totally destroyed.
> >> >Russia is huge, they will win as their numbers will not die
> >> proportionately.
> >> >China and Islam will be dominant.
> >> >Do you want that, fool?
> >> >
> >> Don't matter what I want, no country land mass will survive.
> >
> > It will, fool. And recover in due course. The Earth won't bother.
> >
> >> M.A.D.
> >> Russia in entirety will end up "Char Grilled".
>
> > Rubbish.
> Your sig is sposed to be last, with a line with just -- on it in front of
> it.
Gibberish
> > Russia can bomb all the cities of the West and they will be rubble.
> Nope, they don't have enough nukes for that.
All the major cities, fool.
> > The West can only bomb a few Russian cities.
> More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.
Gibberish. The Russians have far less cities.
> > If the Russians do first strike they can hide away in the country.
> Nope, the west would notice them all moving there and realise
> why they are doing that and nuke them before they do that.
The Russians are much more organised and ready.
The Moscow met was designed for that.
Whereas in US there will only be panic.
>
> Yes, quite a bit of Russia would survive a full nuclear holocaust,
> but so would lots of the west and my place as well.

Fool, most of Russia would be safe and all major cities in the West will be wiped out.
Putin might nuke where you live in, just for starters.

> > No such luck for the West.
> Bullshit.

No idiot, the West has a lot more stuff to get wiped out than Russia.
They boast about that superior stuff 24*7
Big stuff is easy to wipe out when there is the technology to do so.
The West has so much more to lose.

Fortunately for the world, Biden has more sense than mad bad shits like Rod.
So instead of a nuclear war he will use NATO to fund the fighting against Russians to the last Ukrainian.

On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 04:11:19 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>
> >> >>>>>>> Putin has lost nothing,
> >>
> >> >>>>>> Bullshit. He doesn't even get to visit the west anymore.
> >>
> >> >>>>> My, my. What a loss!
> >>
> >> >>>> Clearly is if he wants to visit his kids.
> >>
> >> >>> His kids can come to him.
> >>
> >> >> They aren't actually stupid enough to return to russia.
> >>
> >> > They are irrelevant, fool.
>
> >> Bullshit they are to your stupid claim that Putin has lost nothing.

Not my issue if you are so stupid as to confuse personal matters with national matters, fool.
>
> > Putin means Russia, fool.
> It is even more stupid to claim that Russia has lost nothing.

Fool, Russia has expanded by getting Crimea, much of Donbass, got allies there instead of NATO nukes and tanks pointing at them.
They have increased their security by outing NATO nukes from Ukraine, for keeps.
The value of ruble has gone up.
China is solidly behind them.
India is neutral, and buying oil from them at low rates.
Yes they have lost a lot of men, but war is like that. They have got their long term goals.
For a country that lost 20 million men in WW2, the loss of a few thousand is not that much.
The real losers are the Ukrainian people, who have lost so much.

Understand all this, fool, if you can.
> > Emotional blackmail by his enemies is part of what the leader ofa great
> > nation may have to expect from his thieving opponents.
> Russia is no great nation, it doesn't even have a GDP better
> than that tiny little island off the west coast of europe.

They have nukes enough to match NATO and the means to deliver them.
And they have a lot less to lose in a total nuclear battle.
That makes them great, fool. And the potential winner in a nuclear battle. Which really, will be won by China and Islamic world.
Talk of GDP etc. for greatness is lying bullshit. Money is like foam, and only beguiles when in the hands of mean crooks.
Money loses its shine when the former is there. It means everything to the deprived, but Russia is not deprived. They have huge resources.
Just the decision of Putin to take roubles for gas, and connecting rouble to gold that he has lots of, has increased the value of the rouble!

What matters is health, serenity, sufficiency and scope.
And that Ukraine has lost. Sad.
It does not pay to be ruled by ignorant fools and puppets.

> > Russia has not lost anything,
> More of your mindless bullshit with easy access to
> decent modern passenger aircraft and spares, no
> longer being able to fly to anywhere in europe or
> much of the rest of the world, no longer able to
> have its ships dock at most ports, etc etc etc.

Trifles
Russia, China, Iran and India will gain from the sanctions by increased co-operation.
So Russia will gain, not lose.
Sanctions also work against Europe. They will feel the cold. Actually they are more stuffed as their energy options are limited for now.
They cannot overfly Russia.
>
> > just gained land.
>
> It remains to be seen for how long.

For keeps, fool.

> > Ukraine is the great loser as per the youtube video whose link I
> > posted. They are suffering, and the US devils using their puppet
> > Zelensky are doing their best to prolong it.
> Zelensky is no puppet, fuckwit.

He is a puppet whose strings have been cut. So rolling around, screaming for help.
It is a lesson, not to let ignorant comedians bad at their schooling, with no concern for the people, get power.
Especially if they have strong connections to US!
They turn into tragedians.
Sad.

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote

> On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 04:03:19 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > petzl wrote
>> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >>> petzl wrote
>> >>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>> >> >> >> >Putin is actually encouraging a break away with his invasion.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Ukraine is already broken away, fool.
>> >> >> >And also being harmful to those of Russian background, with a
>> civil
>> >> war in the Donbass.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Also more NATO members!
>> >> >> >> Finland and Sweden are looking at becoming NATO members, with
>> >> nuclear
>> >> >> >> arsenals, Poland has no objection to nuclear arsenals being
>> placed
>> >> >> >> there either.
>> >> >> >> Also Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Poland and Russia have always been enemies, save during the Cold
>> >> War.
>> >> >> >Similarly for others.
>> >> >> >So I expect that their hostile behaviour is only to be expected
>> by
>> >> Russia.
>> >> >> >But Ukraine was different. Kyiv is the source of their religion.
>> >> They got plenty of benefits from USSR and Russia.
>> >> >> >If Finland tries to join NATO Putin may attack first, given the
>> >> long border.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> Not only Finland, NATO will get this done quick with nuclear
>> >> >> deterrent's in place hopefully without Putin knowing
>> >> >
>> >> >Why do you want a nuclear war?
>> >> >To bring Jesus Christ back from Heaven?
>> >> >Well, know what.
>> >> >Even if all nukes are exploded only 1-2 billion will die.
>> >> >The West will be totally destroyed.
>> >> >Russia is huge, they will win as their numbers will not die
>> >> proportionately.
>> >> >China and Islam will be dominant.
>> >> >Do you want that, fool?
>> >> >
>> >> Don't matter what I want, no country land mass will survive.
>> >
>> > It will, fool. And recover in due course. The Earth won't bother.
>> >
>> >> M.A.D.
>> >> Russia in entirety will end up "Char Grilled".
>>
>> > Rubbish.
>> Your sig is sposed to be last, with a line with just -- on it in front
>> of
>> it.

> Gibberish

Your sig is sposed to be last, with a line with just -- on it in front
of it.

>> > Russia can bomb all the cities of the West and they will be rubble.

>> Nope, they don't have enough nukes for that.

> All the major cities, fool.

Or that either, fuckwit.

>> > The West can only bomb a few Russian cities.

>> More mindless pig ignorant bullshit.

> Gibberish. The Russians have far less cities.

The citys aren't all the west can nuke, fuckwit.

>> > If the Russians do first strike they can hide away in the country.

>> Nope, the west would notice them all moving there and realise
>> why they are doing that and nuke them before they do that.

> The Russians are much more organised and ready.

Bullshit they are to actually do that. No one is.

> The Moscow met was designed for that.

Doesn't move them out of Moscow, fuckwit.

> Whereas in US there will only be panic.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

>> Yes, quite a bit of Russia would survive a full nuclear holocaust,
>> but so would lots of the west and my place as well.

> Fool, most of Russia would be safe

Bullshit.

> and all major cities in the West will be wiped out.

Bullshit.

> Putin might nuke where you live in, just for starters.

Not a chance.

>> > No such luck for the West.

>> Bullshit.

> No idiot, the West has a lot more stuff to get wiped out than Russia.
> They boast about that superior stuff 24*7
> Big stuff is easy to wipe out when there is the technology to do so.
> The West has so much more to lose.

Irrelevant to your stupid claim that no one would survive in the west.

And the west has far more they can still used after a nuclear holocuast
too.

<reams of your sticking shit flushed where it belongs>

> So instead of a nuclear war he will use NATO to fund the fighting
> against Russians to the last Ukrainian.

There won't be any last Ukrainian, you watch.

The Russians have already lost more in the Ukraine in just
6 weeks than they lost in Afghanistan in 10 years, fuckwit.

On Fri, 08 Apr 2022 22:23:01 GMT, * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster -
<devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote:

>Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:
>
>/ This post was AI autocleaned to remove some virulent retarded troll
>poster inputs /
>/ snip more wanker crap manually /
>
>> Dragged him from a drain he was hiding in then Killed him by raping his
>> arsehole with a pick handle much to the joy to the people of Libya!
>
>Long live due process and the rule of law, eh Petz dear?
>As we know, after our friendly intervention our superior Western democracy
>rules Libia right now as a bright example to all countries to see how it
>is done properly...NOT!
>
Wonder what delightful way Communist Stasi Putin and his family will
die at the hands of Russian citizens, won't be long now.
--
Petzl
Stalin has decreed that murder is a capitalist disease; there is no
murder in a communist paradise. The soviet governments job was to
shoot and kill anyone who had proof of something different

"Our" government and media decree that this "secular multiculturalism
paradise" does not have immigrant crime and remove anyone stating
different!.

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, 9 April 2022 at 04:11:19 UTC+10, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > Rod Speed wrote
>> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> > Rod Speed wrote
>> >> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>> >> >>>>>>> Putin has lost nothing,
>> >>
>> >> >>>>>> Bullshit. He doesn't even get to visit the west anymore.
>> >>
>> >> >>>>> My, my. What a loss!
>> >>
>> >> >>>> Clearly is if he wants to visit his kids.
>> >>
>> >> >>> His kids can come to him.
>> >>
>> >> >> They aren't actually stupid enough to return to russia.
>> >>
>> >> > They are irrelevant, fool.
>>
>> >> Bullshit they are to your stupid claim that Putin has lost nothing.

<reams of your stinking shit flushed where it belongs>

>> > Putin means Russia, fool.
>> It is even more stupid to claim that Russia has lost nothing.

> Russia has expanded by getting Crimea, much of Donbass,

And has had their economy fucked over by the sanctions.

> got allies there instead of NATO nukes and tanks pointing at them.

The still have that in Poland, fuckwit.

> They have increased their security by outingNATO nukes from Ukraine,
> for keeps.

Not a chance, you watch.

The EU is already fast tracking the Ukraine membership.

And almost all of europe is supply them with what
they need to fuck over the invading russians and
that has already seen the russians lose more troops
in just 6 weeks than they lost in the entire 10 years
in afghanistan and that is their professional troops
too, not the conscripts they lost in Afghanistan.

> The value of ruble has gone up.
> China is solidly behind them.

Bullshit.

> India is neutral, and buying oil from them at low rates.

They always did.

> Yes they have lost a lot of men, but war is like that.

Odd that it wasn't in Afghanistan.

> They have got their long term goals.

Fat lot of use that was in Afghanistan.

> For a country that lost 20 million men in WW2,

Different situation entirely, that was for survival.

> the loss of a few thousand is not that much.

Tell that to those who haven't been killed YET.

> The real losers are the Ukrainian people, who have lost so much.

Due to that arsehole Putin. The world won't be forgetting that, you watch.

<reams of your stinking shit flushed where it belongs>

>> > Emotional blackmail by his enemies is part of what the leader ofa
>> great
>> > nation may have to expect from his thieving opponents.

>> Russia is no great nation, it doesn't even have a GDP better
>> than that tiny little island off the west coast of europe.

> They have nukes enough to match NATO

Even Putin isn't actually stupid enough to use them.

> and the means to deliver them.
> And they have a lot less to lose in a total nuclear battle.
> That makes them great

Bullshit it does.

> And the potential winner in a nuclear battle.

Taint gunna happen, fuckwit.

> Which really, will be won by China and Islamic world.

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> Talk of GDP etc. for greatness is lying bullshit. Money is like foam,
> and only beguiles when in the hands of mean crooks.

Pity about the real living standards in the west compared with russia,
fuckwit.

There might just be a reason why vast numbers
of russians have moved to the west.

> Money loses its shine when the former is there. It means everything to
> the deprived, but Russia is not deprived. They have huge resources.

But still end with a GDP not even as good as the UK
and third world living standards for most russians.

> Just the decision of Putin to take roubles for gas, and connecting
> rouble to gold that he has lots of, has increased the value of the
> rouble!

Fat lot of use that is to most russians.

> What matters is health, serenity, sufficiency and scope.

And the relos of all those dead russian troops don't get any of that.

> And that Ukraine has lost.

Bullshit it has.

> Sad.

You are pathetic.

> It does not pay to be ruled by ignorant fools and puppets.

The russians are finding that out.

>> > Russia has not lost anything,

>> More of your mindless bullshit with easy access to
>> decent modern passenger aircraft and spares, no
>> longer being able to fly to anywhere in europe or
>> much of the rest of the world, no longer able to
>> have its ships dock at most ports, etc etc etc.

> Trifles

Clearly Putin doesnt buy that.

> Russia, China, Iran and India will gain fromthe sanctions by increased
> co-operation.

And the russian economy will still be fucked
by them, because none of those produce
anything useful passenger aircraft wise.

> So Russia will gain, not lose.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed drunken
fantasyland with their passenger airlines alone.

> Sanctions also work against Europe. They will feel the cold.

Its coming into spring there, fuckwit.

> Actually they are more stuffed as their energy options are limited for
> now.

> They cannot overfly Russia.

They don't need to.

>> > just gained land.

>> It remains to be seen for how long.
>
> For keeps

Just like Afghanistan, Poland, Hungary,
Austria, Georgia etc etc etc, eh ?

>> > Ukraine is the great loser as per the youtube video whose link I
>> > posted. They are suffering, and the US devils using their puppet
>> > Zelensky are doing their best to prolong it.

>> Zelensky is no puppet, fuckwit.

> He is a puppet whose strings have been cut. So rolling around,
> screaming for help.

Only in your pathetic little drug crazed drunken fantasyland.

> It is a lesson, not to let ignorant comedians bad at theirschooling,
> with no concern for the people, get power.

That is precisely the lesson russians are getting now.

> They turn into tragedians.

Yep, Putin has done just that.

> Sad.

You are pathetic.

Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:

> Wonder what delightful way Communist Stasi Putin and his family will die
> at the hands of Russian citizens, won't be long now.

Amazing. Just into a single sentence you've managed to cram into two
instances of reality denial and to top it up you've also added a bit of
your murder fantasies. Well done, Petz dear...NOT!

Fact one:
Putin IS NOT a communist. He never was, regardless of what he might have
pretended to be in order to get into his position during the years of the
USSR.

Fact two:
Putin was KGB and not fucking Stasi you cretin. The two organisation
wasn't the same, but Stasi (and the whole DDR government)was controlled by
the USSR. Sane people might recall that East Germany was an *occupied*
country. So fuck off pushing bullshit Petz dear, your Goon-bags fumes
phantasms carry no weight for sane and sober netizens.

~~~
~~~
Trashing Petz's idiotic hate propaganda sig is as follows:

> Stalin has decreed that murder is a capitalist disease

He is still dead and will remain so for the foreseeable future.
Who cares what that megalomaniac and paranoid personal cult dictator of
the USSR declared as part of his mind numbing propaganda.

> "Our" government and media decree that this "secular multiculturalism
> paradise"

That's right so far.
OZ is secular --- check
OZ is multicultural --- check

> does not have immigrant crime

That is bull. Hate to disappoint your delusions Petz dear, but!
Its worth noting that crime stats show crimes committed by immigrants are
far less that crime by true blue Australians.

Next!

> and remove anyone stating different!.

Careful your bogan conspiracy kookery is showing, Petz dear!
Yea, yeah ,yea, we already heard it before...George Soros, Bill Gates, the
UN, the EU, the Secret World Government and all those shapes shifting
communist space aliens are all out to get your drunken bogan arse ilk.
~~

--
Ördög - -
The real one (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)

Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables, idiots like
Petz and his fellow septic and OZ crazies.
They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 00:02:38 GMT, * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster -
<devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote:

>Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:
>
>> Wonder what delightful way Communist Stasi Putin and his family will die
>> at the hands of Russian citizens, won't be long now.
>
>Amazing. Just into a single sentence you've managed to cram into two
>instances of reality denial and to top it up you've also added a bit of
>your murder fantasies. Well done, Petz dear...NOT!
>
>Fact one:
>Putin IS NOT a communist. He never was, regardless of what he might have
>pretended to be in order to get into his position during the years of the
>USSR.
>
>Fact two:
>Putin was KGB and not fucking Stasi you cretin. The two organisation
>wasn't the same, but Stasi (and the whole DDR government)was controlled by
>the USSR. Sane people might recall that East Germany was an *occupied*
>country. So fuck off pushing bullshit Petz dear, your Goon-bags fumes
>phantasms carry no weight for sane and sober netizens.
>
Facts are Putin is a communist member of both KGB and Stasi.
Here is his Stasi dossier he had to leave behind as he fled Dressden
from Pope John Paul (who the Soviet communists tried to kill)

You pretending to be on the level by dribbling out of both sides of
your mouth again.

From his KGB file
"Having completed his studies at the Andropov Institute, Vladimir
Putin left for East Germany in 1985 and worked there until 1990. But
before he left, another major event in his life took place."
<https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46525543>
A once top secret agreement between the KGB and Stasi, seen by the
BBC, shows that the KGB had 30 liaison officers in East Germany who
worked directly alongside the Stasi.

Putin like Biden will be hiding in a bunker somewhere shitting yellow!
--
Petzl
They just weren’t doing Communism properly,
Say all of today’s Communists?

"It cannot be overstated,
Bolsheviks committed the greatest human slaughter
in modern history,and the fact that the world is
largely ignorant and uncaring about this fact is proof
that the global media are in the hands of the perpetrators"
Russian Gulag survivor,
novelist, historian,
Nobel prize winner
short story writer.
A.Solzhenitsyn - Gulag Archipelago
https://youtu.be/G79wp6s9JdY

Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:

> Ördög
>> Petz
>>> Wonder what delightful way Communist Stasi Putin and his family will
>>> die at the hands of Russian citizens, won't be long now.
>>
>> Amazing. Just into a single sentence you've managed to cram into two
>> instances of reality denial and to top it up you've also added a bit of
>> your murder fantasies. Well done, Petz dear...NOT!
>> Fact one:
>> Putin IS NOT a communist. He never was, regardless of what he might have
>> pretended to be in order to get into his position during the years of
>> the USSR.
>> Fact two:
>> Putin was KGB and not fucking Stasi you cretin. The two organisation
>> wasn't the same, but Stasi (and the whole DDR government)was controlled
>> by the USSR. Sane people might recall that East Germany was an
>> *occupied* country. So fuck off pushing bullshit Petz dear, your
>> Goon-bags fumes phantasms carry no weight for sane and sober netizens.
>>
> Facts are Putin is a communist member of both KGB and Stasi.

B U L L S H I T !

BTW "Putin is"????
Stasi nor KGB is NO mre! At least for three decades NO MORE!

> Here is his Stasi dossier he had to leave behind as he fled Dressden
> from Pope John Paul (who the Soviet communists tried to kill)

MORE GOON-BAG PHANTASMS B U L L S H I T!

> You pretending ...

Amazingly I dare to pretend that historical facts actually exist and they
never seem to confirm any not your alt-right phantasms.

> From his KGB file "Having completed his studies at the Andropov
> Institute, Vladimir Putin left for East Germany in 1985 and worked there
> until 1990.

As I said before: DDR was an *occupied* country fully controlled/
supervised by the USSR, ergo the KGB controlled STASI.

> A once top secret agreement between the KGB and Stasi, seen by the BBC,
> shows that the KGB had 30 liaison officers in East Germany who worked
> directly alongside the Stasi...

....worked alongside as KGB supervisors! You are so fucking stupid,
completely ignoring that then functional hierarchy in the state security
organisations in Eastern Europe.
>
> Putin like Biden will be hiding in a bunker somewhere shitting yellow!

Thanks for confirming your village idiot status with such ridiculous
comments.

~~~
~~~
Busting Petz's idiotic hate propaganda sig is as follows:

> They just weren't doing Communism properly,
> Say all of today's Communists?

Would you disagree? On what grounds?
Care to cite which section in Marx's Communist Manifesto or even the
policy platform of Lenin calls for the establishment of an authoritarian
state capitalist personal cult terror state resulting in irresponsible
economical mismanagement and total annihilation of grassroots democracy?
< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCv04f0RXfc >

> "It cannot be overstated,

....that the USSR is no more, Stalin, Mao and Pol Pot are all dead and the
World including those few communists still around have moved on with their
lives.
Only hard-right conservatives are stuck back in the f...ugly past dreaming
of slave labour, Xtian fundy theocracy, racial purity and the fascist rule
all over the planet.

> Russian Gulag survivor ....

.... and story teller A.Solzhenitsyn had obviously an axe to grind, and I
am not criticising him for that. But he was never a historian by any
scholarly sense of that word.
Of course you, Petz dear have been told that by a number of poster beside
me dozens of times but to no avail. You insist on spewing your goon-bag
fumes idiocy into Usenet.

But put the credit where the credit is due for this gem of a hatemonger
crap:
'A.Solzhenitsyn' according to David Duke, ex Grand Wizard of KKK,
revisonist, Antisemite and neo_Nazi creep.
~~

--
Ördög - -
The real one (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)

Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables, idiots like
Petz and his fellow septic and OZ crazies.
They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 01:48:50 GMT, * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster -
<devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote:

>> Facts are Putin is a communist member of both KGB and Stasi.
>
>B U L L S H I T !
>
Same murderers under new initials "FSB" headed by Putin

>BTW "Putin is"????
>Stasi nor KGB is NO mre! At least for three decades NO MORE!
>
Putin bought the Stasi to the Kremlin for the KGB
>
>> Here is his Stasi dossier he had to leave behind as he fled Dressden
>> from Pope John Paul (who the Soviet communists tried to kill)
>
>MORE GOON-BAG PHANTASMS B U L L S H I T!
>
So why delete the BBC link
I know why because you are lying again and think people will believe
you over the BBC
<https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46525543>
A once top secret agreement between the KGB and Stasi, seen by the
BBC, shows that the KGB had 30 liaison officers in East Germany who
worked directly alongside the Stasi.
>
>> You pretending ...
>
>Amazingly I dare to pretend that historical facts actually exist and they
>never seem to confirm any not your alt-right phantasms.
>
>> From his KGB file "Having completed his studies at the Andropov
>> Institute, Vladimir Putin left for East Germany in 1985 and worked there
>> until 1990.
>
>As I said before: DDR was an *occupied* country fully controlled/
>supervised by the USSR, ergo the KGB controlled STASI.
>
And Putin worked for both even bringing the Stasi to Russia
>
>> A once top secret agreement between the KGB and Stasi, seen by the BBC,
>> shows that the KGB had 30 liaison officers in East Germany who worked
>> directly alongside the Stasi...
>
>...worked alongside as KGB supervisors! You are so fucking stupid,
>completely ignoring that then functional hierarchy in the state security
>organisations in Eastern Europe.
>
The KGB/ FSB pulled the Stasi strings and reported to Russia on who
should be turned into a dead person
<https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/beware-the-tea-why-do-russians-keep-being-poisoned-20200827-p55poy.html>
https://tinyurl.com/y6w49ahw
Former president of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko was poisoned in 2004
with an “Agent Orange” chemical served in a rice dish that left him
permanently disfigured. He'd been running for president against a
Russian-backed candidate, and blamed the Kremlin.CREDIT:
>>
>> Putin like Biden will be hiding in a bunker somewhere shitting yellow!
>
>Thanks for confirming your village idiot status with such ridiculous
>comments.
>
Putin is a worried man, expects a bomb thrown at him any moment now!
Might be through his favorite cuppa!
<https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-russia-putin-replaced-staffers-over-fears-poison-him-report-2022-3>
https://tinyurl.com/y83c48kn
Putin replaced 1,000 personal staff members in February over fears
they would poison him
A French agent said an attempted assassination would come from within
the Kremlin.
--
Petzl
There is no difference between communism and socialism,
except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
communism proposes to enslave men by force,
socialism - by vote.
It is merely the difference between murder and suicide.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster <devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote

>>> Facts are Putin is a communist member of both KGB and Stasi.

>> B U L L S H I T !

> Same murderers under new initials "FSB" headed by Putin

But the FSB is nothing like the Stasi.

>> BTW "Putin is"????
>> Stasi nor KGB is NO mre! At least for three decades NO MORE!

> Putin bought the Stasi to the Kremlin for the KGB

Nope, he never had anything to do with the Stasi.

>>> Here is his Stasi dossier he had to leave behind as he fled Dressden
>>> from Pope John Paul (who the Soviet communists tried to kill)

>> MORE GOON-BAG PHANTASMS B U L L S H I T!

> So why delete the BBC link

Because it is irrelevant to Putin.

> I know why because you are lying again andthink people will believe you
> over the BBC
> <https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46525543>
> A once top secret agreement between the KGB and Stasi, seen by the
> BBC, shows that the KGB had 30 liaison officers in East Germany who
> worked directly alongside the Stasi.

But Putin was never involved in that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#KGB_career

>>> You pretending ...

>> Amazingly I dare to pretend that historical facts actually exist and
>> they never seem to confirm any not your alt-right phantasms.

>>> From his KGB file "Having completed his studies at the Andropov
>>> Institute, Vladimir Putin left for East Germany in 1985 and worked
>>> there until 1990.

But never had anything to do with the Stasi.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#KGB_career

>> As I said before: DDR was an *occupied* country fully controlled/
>> supervised by the USSR, ergo the KGB controlled STASI.

> And Putin worked for both

Bullshit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#KGB_career

> even bringing the Stasi to Russia

More bullshit.

>>> A once top secret agreement between the KGB and Stasi, seen by the BBC,
>>> shows that the KGB had 30 liaison officers in East Germany who worked
>>> directly alongside the Stasi...

But never involved Putin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#KGB_career

>> ...worked alongside as KGB supervisors! You are so fucking stupid,
>> completely ignoring that then functional hierarchy in the state security
>> organisations in Eastern Europe.

> The KGB/ FSB pulled the Stasi strings and reported toRussia on who
> should be turned into a dead person
> <https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/beware-the-tea-why-do-russians-keep-being-poisoned-20200827-p55poy.html>
> https://tinyurl.com/y6w49ahw

But never involved Putin.

> Former president of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko was poisoned in 2004
> with an “Agent Orange” chemical served in a rice dish that left him
> permanently disfigured. He'd been running for president against a
> Russian-backed candidate, and blamed the Kremlin.CREDIT:

>>> Putin like Biden will be hiding in a bunker somewhere shitting yellow!

Bullshit with both.

>> Thanks for confirming your village idiot status with such ridiculous
>> comments.

> Putin is a worried man,

Bullshit.

> expects a bomb thrown at him any moment now!

Bullshit and he doesnt appear in public much so that isn't possible.

> Might be through his favorite cuppa!
> <https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-russia-putin-replaced-staffers-over-fears-poison-him-report-2022-3>
> https://tinyurl.com/y83c48kn
> Putin replaced 1,000 personal staff members inFebruary over fears they
> would poison him

Nope, to ensure that they can't.

> A French agent said an attempted assassinationwould come from within
> the Kremlin.

They are the only ones who have any chance of doing that,

Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:

> Ördög
/snip/

>> MORE GOON-BAG PHANTASMS B U L L S H I T!
>>
> So why delete the BBC link..

....because as per usual it has nothing to do with your absurd bullshit
assertions.

> <https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46525543>
> A once top secret agreement between the KGB and Stasi, seen by the BBC,
> shows that the KGB had 30 liaison officers in East Germany who worked
> directly alongside the Stasi.

Look up the meaning of "liason' before you continue spewing bullshit.

/snip more crap/

>> Amazingly I dare to pretend that historical facts actually exist and
>> they never seem to confirm any not your alt-right phantasms.

/snip even more crap/

>> As I said before: DDR was an *occupied* country fully controlled/
>> supervised by the USSR, ergo the KGB controlled STASI.
>>
> And Putin worked for both even bringing the Stasi to Russia

No he was NOT, and had not, retard. He was KGB. And KGB was superwising
what the Germans did as the occupying authority. Next bullshit!

/ snipping crap as per usual/

>> You are so fucking stupid,
>> completely ignoring that then functional hierarchy in the state security
>> organisations in Eastern Europe.
>>
> The KGB/ FSB

KGB IS NOT fucking FSB. This simple truth seems to be much too complex to
penetrate your outward hardened cavernous skull.

/ remove bucket loads of retarded commentary/

>> Thanks for confirming your village idiot status with such ridiculous
>> comments.
>>
> Putin is a worried man

You know fucking nothing abvout Putin's mental state, and that is afct.
You keep speculating all the while hoping fo a nice and juicy
assassination.

What sane people hope for is a proper trial according to Russian as well
as International law. Assasination is NOT the same as justice being served
by any rational thought processes. But hey, I acknowledge that you are
incredibly attracted to spontenous blood baths.

/flush rest of your crappy Goon-bag phantasms at GoonCon level 3 already?/

~~~
~~~
Busting Petz's idiotic hate propaganda sig is as follows:

> There is no difference between communism and socialism, ...

Shows how little you know about economics, politics and political
ideologies. So what the fuck are you actually doing in a political
newsgroup?

> ... except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
> communism proposes to enslave men by force, socialism - by vote.
>

Properly educated people know that communism (the ideology, and not its
USSR implementation) propose a stateless, money less and classless
society. So w/o a slaver there can be no enslavement.

Anyhow, Petz as usual regurgitates a totally uninformed far-right
B U L L S H I T mantra!
To a rational person I'd try to explain why what you posted was utter
rubbish, but in your case what'd be the point wasting my time and energy.

OK, OK, for sane readers (only) I still provide a couple of links:

<https://www.diffen.com/difference/Communism_vs_Socialism>

<https://byjus.com/free-ias-prep/difference-between-communism-capitalism-
and-socialism/>

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyl2DeKT-Vs>

>
> It is merely the difference between murder and suicide.
>

More B U L L S H I T accusations of the alt-right kind!

However what certain is:
The society you actually idolise and so badly wish for Petz dear is a
dystopian fascist theocratic nightmare, which offers nobody beyond a tiny
minority at the top of the food-chain any freedom, personal integrity,
hope and happiness.

< https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/
The_Handmaid%E2%80%99s_Tale_%E2%80%93_Der_Report_der_Magd>
~~

--
Ördög - -
The real one (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)

Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables, idiots like
Petz and his fellow septic and OZ crazies.
They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 13:13:11 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster <devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote
>
>>>> Facts are Putin is a communist member of both KGB and Stasi.
>
>>> B U L L S H I T !
>
>> Same murderers under new initials "FSB" headed by Putin
>
>But the FSB is nothing like the Stasi.
>
Wouldn't bet on that
The Stasi used the same tactics the KGB used on it's own citizens
>
>>> BTW "Putin is"????
>>> Stasi nor KGB is NO mre! At least for three decades NO MORE!
>
>> Putin bought the Stasi to the Kremlin for the KGB
>
>Nope, he never had anything to do with the Stasi.
>
The BBC clearlsy states he did.
A search of Kremlin Stasi Putin shows more
>
>>>> Here is his Stasi dossier he had to leave behind as he fled Dressden
>>>> from Pope John Paul (who the Soviet communists tried to kill)
>
>>> MORE GOON-BAG PHANTASMS B U L L S H I T!
>
>> So why delete the BBC link
>
>Because it is irrelevant to Putin.
>
It's all about Putin?
>
>> I know why because you are lying again andthink people will believe you
>> over the BBC
>> <https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46525543>
>> A once top secret agreement between the KGB and Stasi, seen by the
>> BBC, shows that the KGB had 30 liaison officers in East Germany who
>> worked directly alongside the Stasi.
>
>But Putin was never involved in that.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#KGB_career
>
Before he was a ieutenant colonel (one step away from General)
<https://www.businessinsider.com/putins-lied-about-his-rank-within-the-kgb-2015-3>
>
>>>> You pretending ...
>
>>> Amazingly I dare to pretend that historical facts actually exist and
>>> they never seem to confirm any not your alt-right phantasms.
>
>>>> From his KGB file "Having completed his studies at the Andropov
>>>> Institute, Vladimir Putin left for East Germany in 1985 and worked
>>>> there until 1990.
>
>But never had anything to do with the Stasi.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#KGB_career
>
Before he was a ieutenant colonel (one step away from General)
<https://www.businessinsider.com/putins-lied-about-his-rank-within-the-kgb-2015-3>
>
>>> As I said before: DDR was an *occupied* country fully controlled/
>>> supervised by the USSR, ergo the KGB controlled STASI.
>
>> And Putin worked for both
>
>Bullshit.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#KGB_career
>
False wiki been distorted
Before he was a ieutenant colonel (one step away from General)
<https://www.businessinsider.com/putins-lied-about-his-rank-within-the-kgb-2015-3>
>
>> even bringing the Stasi to Russia
>
>More bullshit.
>
nope
>
>>>> A once top secret agreement between the KGB and Stasi, seen by the BBC,
>>>> shows that the KGB had 30 liaison officers in East Germany who worked
>>>> directly alongside the Stasi...
>
>But never involved Putin.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#KGB_career
>
Before he was a ieutenant colonel (one step away from General)
<https://www.businessinsider.com/putins-lied-about-his-rank-within-the-kgb-2015-3>
>
>>> ...worked alongside as KGB supervisors! You are so fucking stupid,
>>> completely ignoring that then functional hierarchy in the state security
>>> organisations in Eastern Europe.
>
>> The KGB/ FSB pulled the Stasi strings and reported toRussia on who
>> should be turned into a dead person
>> <https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/beware-the-tea-why-do-russians-keep-being-poisoned-20200827-p55poy.html>
>> https://tinyurl.com/y6w49ahw
>
>But never involved Putin.
>
The last documented poison tea was
>
>> Former president of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko was poisoned in 2004
>> with an “Agent Orange” chemical served in a rice dish that left him
>> permanently disfigured. He'd been running for president against a
>> Russian-backed candidate, and blamed the Kremlin.CREDIT:
>
>>>> Putin like Biden will be hiding in a bunker somewhere shitting yellow!
>
>Bullshit with both.
>
Nope
>
>>> Thanks for confirming your village idiot status with such ridiculous
>>> comments.
>
>> Putin is a worried man,
>
>Bullshit.
>
>> expects a bomb thrown at him any moment now!
>
>Bullshit and he doesnt appear in public much so that isn't possible.
>
Be from inside the Kremlin
>
>> Might be through his favorite cuppa!
>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-russia-putin-replaced-staffers-over-fears-poison-him-report-2022-3>
>> https://tinyurl.com/y83c48kn
>> Putin replaced 1,000 personal staff members inFebruary over fears they
>> would poison him
>
>Nope, to ensure that they can't.
>
They were not going to poison the Kremlin has him as a target
>
>> A French agent said an attempted assassinationwould come from within
>> the Kremlin.
>
>They are the only ones who have any chance of doing that,
>
yes
>
--
Petzl
**On March fourteenth, in the year of our Lord. Eighteen eighty three
Karl Marx made his most important contribution to mankind...
He died**

They just weren’t doing Communism properly,
Say all of today’s Communists?

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other
people's money.

All governments lie about some things, but Ordogs totalitarian
governments lie about everything.

There is no difference between communism and socialism,
except in the means of achieving the same ultimate end:
communism proposes to enslave men by force,
socialism - by vote.
It is merely the difference between murder and suicide

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster <devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote

>>>>> Facts are Putin is a communist member of both KGB and Stasi.

>>>> B U L L S H I T !

>>> Same murderers under new initials "FSB" headed by Putin

>> But the FSB is nothing like the Stasi.

> Wouldn't bet on that

We know that. The FSB has always been about espionage, the Stasi never was.

> The Stasi used the same tactics the KGB used on it's own citizens

The KGB was never about its own citizens.

>>>> BTW "Putin is"????
>>>> Stasi nor KGB is NO mre! At least for three decades NO MORE!
>>
>>> Putin bought the Stasi to the Kremlin for the KGB
>>
>> Nope, he never had anything to do with the Stasi.

> The BBC clearlsy states he did.

Bullshit it does.

> A search of Kremlin Stasi Putin shows more

Just because some fool claims something...

>>>>> Here is his Stasi dossier he had to leave behind as he fled Dressden
>>>>> from Pope John Paul (who the Soviet communists tried to kill)
>>
>>>> MORE GOON-BAG PHANTASMS B U L L S H I T!
>>
>>> So why delete the BBC link
>>
>> Because it is irrelevant to Putin.

> It's all about Putin?

Bullshit it is.

>>> I know why because you are lying again andthink people will believe
>>> you
>>> over the BBC
>>> <https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46525543>
>>> A once top secret agreement between the KGB and Stasi, seen by the
>>> BBC, shows that the KGB had 30 liaison officers in East Germany who
>>> worked directly alongside the Stasi.
>>
>> But Putin was never involved in that.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#KGB_career

> Before he was a ieutenant colonel

He never was, just a major.

> (one step away from General)

Wrong again, the sequence is leftenant colonel, colonel, brigadier, then
general.

> <https://www.businessinsider.com/putins-lied-about-his-rank-within-the-kgb-2015-3>

Just because some fool journo claims something...

>>>>> You pretending ...
>>
>>>> Amazingly I dare to pretend that historical facts actually exist and
>>>> they never seem to confirm any not your alt-right phantasms.
>>
>>>>> From his KGB file "Having completed his studies at the Andropov
>>>>> Institute, Vladimir Putin left for East Germany in 1985 and worked
>>>>> there until 1990.
>>
>> But never had anything to do with the Stasi.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#KGB_career

> Before he was a ieutenant colonel

He never was, just a major.

> (one step away from General)

Wrong again, the sequence is leftenant colonel, colonel, brigadier, then
general.

> <https://www.businessinsider.com/putins-lied-about-his-rank-within-the-kgb-2015-3>

Just because some fool journo claims something...

>>>> As I said before: DDR was an *occupied* country fully controlled/
>>>> supervised by the USSR, ergo the KGB controlled STASI.
>>
>>> And Putin worked for both
>>
>> Bullshit.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#KGB_career
>>
> False wiki been distorted

Bullshit

> Before he was a ieutenant colonel

He never was, just a major.

> (one step away from General)

Wrong again, the sequence is leftenant colonel, colonel, brigadier, then
general.

> <https://www.businessinsider.com/putins-lied-about-his-rank-within-the-kgb-2015-3>

Just because some fool journo claims something...

>>> even bringing the Stasi to Russia
>>
>> More bullshit.
>>
> nope

Yep, Putin never brought anything from germany to russia except himself.

>>>>> A once top secret agreement between the KGB and Stasi, seen by the
>>>>> BBC,
>>>>> shows that the KGB had 30 liaison officers in East Germany who worked
>>>>> directly alongside the Stasi...
>>
>> But never involved Putin.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin#KGB_career

> Before he was a ieutenant colonel

He never was, just a major.

> (one step away from General)

Wrong again, the sequence is leftenant colonel, colonel, brigadier, then
general.

> <https://www.businessinsider.com/putins-lied-about-his-rank-within-the-kgb-2015-3>

Just because some fool journo claims something...

>>>> ...worked alongside as KGB supervisors! You are so fucking stupid,
>>>> completely ignoring that then functional hierarchy in the state
>>>> security
>>>> organisations in Eastern Europe.
>>
>>> The KGB/ FSB pulled the Stasi strings and reported toRussia on who
>>> should be turned into a dead person
>>> <https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/beware-the-tea-why-do-russians-keep-being-poisoned-20200827-p55poy.html>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/y6w49ahw
>>
>> But never involved Putin.

> The last documented poison tea was

The bullshit was the stupid stasi lie.

>>> Former president of Ukraine Viktor Yushchenko was poisoned in 2004
>>> with an “Agent Orange” chemical served in a rice dish that left him
>>> permanently disfigured. He'd been running for president against a
>>> Russian-backed candidate, and blamed the Kremlin.CREDIT:
>>
>>>>> Putin like Biden will be hiding in a bunker somewhere shitting
>>>>> yellow!
>>
>> Bullshit with both.

> Nope

Yep.

>>>> Thanks for confirming your village idiot status with such ridiculous
>>>> comments.
>>
>>> Putin is a worried man,
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>>> expects a bomb thrown at him any moment now!
>>
>> Bullshit and he doesnt appear in public much so that isn't possible.
>>
> Be from inside the Kremlin
>>
>>> Might be through his favorite cuppa!
>>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-russia-putin-replaced-staffers-over-fears-poison-him-report-2022-3>
>>> https://tinyurl.com/y83c48kn
>>> Putin replaced 1,000 personal staff members inFebruary over fears they
>>> would poison him
>>
>> Nope, to ensure that they can't.

> They were not going to poison

There was always some risk of that.

> the Kremlin has him as a target

BULLSHIT.

>>> A French agent said an attempted assassination
>>> would come from within the Kremlin.
>>
>> They are the only ones who have any chance of doing that,

> yes

On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 15:43:42 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>> (one step away from General)
>
>Wrong again, the sequence is leftenant colonel, colonel, brigadier, then
>general.
>
One did not become head of KGB/FSB unless a General,
Putin was made head of the re-badged KGB, FSB
--
Petzl
IN A WORLD OF PROPAGANDA, THE TRUTH IS ALWAYS A CONSPIRACY.

On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 04:15:42 GMT, * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster -
<devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote:

>> Putin is a worried man
>
>You know fucking nothing abvout Putin's mental state, and that is afct.
>You keep speculating all the while hoping fo a nice and juicy
>assassination.
>
>What sane people hope for is a proper trial according to Russian as well
>as International law. Assasination is NOT the same as justice being served
>by any rational thought processes. But hey, I acknowledge that you are
>incredibly attracted to spontenous blood baths.
>
Putin is a typical commie. Like you he lies about everything
<https://www.businessinsider.com/putins-lied-about-his-rank-within-the-kgb-2015-3>
https://tinyurl.com/y99qdul2
Kalugin, who lives in the United States and has been sentenced by
Russia to 15 years in prison for treason, says Putin's 1998
appointment as director of the KGB's main successor agency, the
Federal Security Service (FSB), actually violated guidelines
stipulating that only a general can hold this post.
--
Petzl
Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

`Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> (one step away from General)

>> Wrong again, the sequence is leftenant colonel, colonel, brigadier, then
>> general.

> One did not become head of KGB/FSB unless a General,

Wrong, as always.

Putin was never either and never even claimed
he was more than a Major when he LEFT the KGB.

> Putin was made head of the re-badged KGB, FSB

Bullshit he was.

On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 17:25:19 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 04:15:42 GMT, * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster -
> <devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote:
>
>>> Putin is a worried man
>>
>> You know fucking nothing abvout Putin's mental state, and that is afct.
>> You keep speculating all the while hoping fo a nice and juicy
>> assassination.
>>
>> What sane people hope for is a proper trial according to Russian as well
>> as International law. Assasination is NOT the same as justice being
>> served
>> by any rational thought processes. But hey, I acknowledge that you are
>> incredibly attracted to spontenous blood baths.
>>
> Putin is a typical commie. Like you he lies about everything
> <https://www.businessinsider.com/putins-lied-about-his-rank-within-the-kgb-2015-3>
> https://tinyurl.com/y99qdul2
> Kalugin, who lives in the United States and has been sentenced by
> Russia to 15 years in prison for treason, says Putin's 1998
> appointment as director of the KGB's main successor agency, the
> Federal Security Service (FSB), actually violated guidelines
> stipulating that only a general can hold this post.

No such guidlines exist and Putin was never the head of the FSB.

Petz's latest Goon-bag-fumes delusions:

> Ördög
>
>> You know fucking nothing abvout Putin's mental state, and that is afct.
>> You keep speculating all the while hoping fo a nice and juicy
>> assassination.
>> What sane people hope for is a proper trial according to Russian as well
>> as International law. Assasination is NOT the same as justice being
>> served by any rational thought processes. But hey, I acknowledge that
>> you are incredibly attracted to spontenous blood baths.
>>
> Putin is a typical commie.

Bullshit, he is!
You would not recognise a communist even if he/she bumped into you on a
busy street.
You have a long history here as the newsgroups's on duty village idiot
demostrating that you have NO fucking clue about even the most fundamental
tenets of either socialism or communism, or for that matter any econo-/
sociopolitical ideologies currently around. You have formed your own
despical World views by trolling through the mental trash that accumulates
in the alt-right sewers of cyberspace and by stuffing full your sick mind
with all that extreme rightwing propaganda that is spread through the
International mediascape by Murdoch's gutter journalism empire and its
pseudo-journalism affiliates.

> Like you he lies about everything

YAWN! Putin as a politician has to lie in order to keep his agendas secure.
I'd recon most politicians World wide do the same.

On the other hand, I really don't have any personal gain in spreading
lies, nor would I do it even if I had a political office to defend.
Just because you declare facts and reality to be lies this does not make
them such. And you have yet to come up with any real proof that I'd ever
peddled lies in this newsgroup. Your Goon-bag fumes induced village idiot
phantasms never provide such proof. So build a bridge and get over it!

> Kalugin, who lives in the United States and has been sentenced by Russia
> to 15 years in prison for treason, says Putin's 1998 appointment as
> director of the KGB's main successor agency, the Federal Security
> Service (FSB), ...

Putin never held that office!

> ...actually violated guidelines stipulating that only a
> general can hold this post.

Bullshit! There is no such requirement.

Stop peddling retarded kookery.

~~~
~~~
More idiot sig busting:

> Socialism is a philosophy of failure,
> the creed of ignorance,and the gospel of envy,
> Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

Nice, but where have you plagiarised this beauty from?

So:
Lets go slowly (not to overtax your few remaining brain cells'
facts computing capacities:

Firstly you have lifted that quote attributed the Churchill from a
Facebook post.
Here is the discussion about its authenticity:
<https://www.truthorfiction.com/did-winston-churchill-say-socialism-is-the-
philosophy-of-failure/>

Now lets look at its content:

Starting with "socialism is ...".
Which version of socialism does this referring to.
Only hard capitalist wankers and rusted on monarchists like Churchill
would treat the econopolitical philosophy of socialism as some sort of
monolith.
In fact, if one is willing to look more close the New Testament itself is
intertwined with the concepts socialism.

Next to: "failure". Do you consider countries like Sweden, Norway, Finland
or Germany a failure. These countries have implemented social democratic
policies over the years with great success. While at the same time wild
capitalist shit holes like the UK and US only succeeded creating a
horribly divided society with millions and millions living under or near
the absolute poverty line while their tiny billionaire class is taking
joyrides into suborbital space as the only remaining means to burn some
extra cash they can't possible dispose of in any useful manner.

That takes us to "creed of ignorance": Apparently so far only socialists
are the ones who are loudly refusing to ignore the social toll such
damning capitalist inequity takes on the social fabric of such countries
where lives are ruined and destroyed by poor healthcare, by lack of even
the most basic requirements for living a modest lifestyle, by total
hopelessness and inability to break the cycles of poverty generation after
generation.

Yes...that gospel of envy. Why aren't these subhuman scumbags feel happy
to see the top 10% of society own roughly 80% of everything while
dominating every aspects of political and cultural life on the planet.
How dare they suggest that instead of creating more/even wealthier
billionaires we could create better public transport, better healthcare,
better and cheaper education for all, better public infrastructure and
amenities, better and more jobs not just for a select few!
Really! What a horrid *envy*!

Yep...in truth the bottom half of society everywhere on the planet already
sharing "equal misery", and that has nothing to do with socialism.
Another 40% manages to make ends meat so they keep their mouths shut
hoping for escaping from joining the bottom half. In the meanwhile the top
ten percent live in the their alternate reality exclusive private heavens
caring fuck all about everyone else below them on the food chain.

I recon socialism in most of its version could NOT possible create
something more bizarre.
~~

--
Ördög - -
The real one (Your scary shadow that says "Booo" in the dark)

Don't argue with the alt-right terrorism apologist/supporters, the
neocons and neo-liberals, the hard-right, the misogynist and white
supremacist racist creeps, all of those Trump's deplorables, idiots like
Petz and his fellow septic and OZ crazies.
They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
<http://www.loonwatch.com/category/anti-loons/>

On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 18:07:41 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 17:25:19 +1000, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 04:15:42 GMT, * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster -
>> <devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>> Putin is a worried man
>>>
>>> You know fucking nothing abvout Putin's mental state, and that is afct.
>>> You keep speculating all the while hoping fo a nice and juicy
>>> assassination.
>>>
>>> What sane people hope for is a proper trial according to Russian as well
>>> as International law. Assasination is NOT the same as justice being
>>> served
>>> by any rational thought processes. But hey, I acknowledge that you are
>>> incredibly attracted to spontenous blood baths.
>>>
>> Putin is a typical commie. Like you he lies about everything
>> <https://www.businessinsider.com/putins-lied-about-his-rank-within-the-kgb-2015-3>
>> https://tinyurl.com/y99qdul2
>> Kalugin, who lives in the United States and has been sentenced by
>> Russia to 15 years in prison for treason, says Putin's 1998
>> appointment as director of the KGB's main successor agency, the
>> Federal Security Service (FSB), actually violated guidelines
>> stipulating that only a general can hold this post.
>
>No such guidlines exist and Putin was never the head of the FSB.
>
So you know more than someone who is familiar and worked with the
antics of the KGB/FSB
--
Petzl
They just weren’t doing Communism properly,
Say all of today’s Communists?

"It cannot be overstated,
Bolsheviks committed the greatest human slaughter
in modern history,and the fact that the world is
largely ignorant and uncaring about this fact is proof
that the global media are in the hands of the perpetrators"
Russian Gulag survivor,
novelist, historian,
Nobel prize winner
short story writer.
A.Solzhenitsyn - Gulag Archipelago
https://youtu.be/G79wp6s9JdY

On Sat, 09 Apr 2022 09:29:10 GMT, * Ördög * - - the Petz Buster -
<devil@your.scary.shadow.edu> wrote:

>> Kalugin, who lives in the United States and has been sentenced by Russia
>> to 15 years in prison for treason, says Putin's 1998 appointment as
>> director of the KGB's main successor agency, the Federal Security
>> Service (FSB), ...
>
>Putin never held that office!
>
>> ...actually violated guidelines stipulating that only a
>> general can hold this post.
>
>Bullshit! There is no such requirement.
>
So you know more than someone who is familiar with the antics of the
KGB/FSB
the link you want no one to see making you just another commie liar

Putin is a typical commie. Like you he lies about everything
<https://www.businessinsider.com/putins-lied-about-his-rank-within-the-kgb-2015-3>
https://tinyurl.com/y99qdul2
--
Petzl
They just weren’t doing Communism properly,
Say all of today’s Communists?

"It cannot be overstated,
Bolsheviks committed the greatest human slaughter
in modern history,and the fact that the world is
largely ignorant and uncaring about this fact is proof
that the global media are in the hands of the perpetrators"
Russian Gulag survivor,
novelist, historian,
Nobel prize winner
short story writer.
A.Solzhenitsyn - Gulag Archipelago
https://youtu.be/G79wp6s9JdY