On 6/3/2022 5:42 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 6/03/2022 11:05 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 6/3/22 12:41, keithr0 wrote:
>>> It's all got out of proportion. Warne was a bogans bogan who's sole
>>> talent was to chuck a ball 22 yards in such a way to bamboozle the
>>> guy at the other end. He did nothing to to advance any cause of
>>> humanity, but still the SEQ channel 9 news devoted more time to him
>>> than the floods and Ukraine combined, and todays Courier Mail devotes
>>> 20 pages to him. I know that people liked him but sheesh whats next a
>>> week of national mourning?
>>
>> I dislike sporting identities being called *heroes*. Anyway, what an
>> end, a heart attack after a tryst with an LBFMPBFR. The Bophut police
>> will have remove the viagra from the scene if Warnie's travelling
>> companions hadn't done so already. Bad for the *public image* of Koh
>> Samui you see.
>>
>
> WTF? Have you been smoking crack?
>
Nope, just know what that resort is all about.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 6/3/2022 5:50 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 6/03/2022 1:15 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 6/03/2022 3:48 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 6/03/2022 1:05 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>
>>>> I dislike sporting identities being called *heroes*. Anyway, what an
>>>> end, a heart attack after a tryst with an LBFMPBFR. The Bophut
>>>> police will have remove the viagra from the scene if Warnie's
>>>> travelling companions hadn't done so already. Bad for the *public
>>>> image* of Koh Samui you see.
>>>>
>>> You disgust me.
>>
>> Surely you're not surprised, are you?
>>
>> This cock sucking attention whore has no limits, and will resort to
>> any kind of bullshit to get the attention his personality disorder so
>> desperately craves.
>>
>> You wouldn't piss on this miserable cunt if he was on fire in the
>> gutter....
>>
>
> You taking the moral high ground is amusing. You wish people people dead
> and made comments about family members that are the most disgraceful
> I've ever read in 20 odd years of usenet and I've read a lot of
> disgusting commentary.
>
> Neither of you two clowns can take the moral high ground, you are both
> despicable people in different ways.
>
> But that does not diminish my repulsion of Xeno's comments or show
> support in any way before you start with suggesting that bullshit as you
> invariably do. Just for the record.
>
Just for the record, the first thing my wife said, on reading about
Warnie's death, was: "what was he doing there?" That place is well known
for "discretion" and the cops in Bophut are as crooked as they come. Was
just discussing this issue this morning with some friends down at the
market. These friends are of the same opinion.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 6/03/2022 2:45 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 6/03/2022 2:39 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 6/03/2022 12:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 6/03/2022 12:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's all got out of proportion. Warne was a bogans bogan who's sole
>>>> talent was to chuck a ball 22 yards in such a way to bamboozle the
>>>> guy at the other end. He did nothing to to advance any cause of
>>>> humanity, but still the SEQ channel 9 news devoted more time to him
>>>> than the floods and Ukraine combined, and todays Courier Mail
>>>> devotes 20 pages to him.
>>>
>>> You could say the exact same thing about every single "celebrity" in
>>> history. Mozart. The Beatles. Jesse Owens. Tiger Woods. Jackson
>>> Pollock. William Shakespeare. Nellie Melba. Eddie Van Halen.
>>
>> Not quite Warne will be forgotten within a generation, other than by a
>> few cricket tragics. Most of the others have left something tangible
>> behind.
>
> Yeah, I don't think so. Don Bradman is revered by many today as the
> greatest batsman to ever play the game, despite his last test being
> played almost 75 years ago and most people who hold that reverence were
> not around to see him play and only know of him what they read in the
> history books.
>
> You might think Warne was a Bogun who is undeserving of the amount of
> attention he's currently getting, but he was named by Wisden's Almanack
> as one of the top 5 players of the game in the last 100 years, and he
> was the only bowler to make the list.

Obviously famous within that rather small circle.

>>> You name it. None of them ever set out to "advance the cause of
>>> humanity" by their actions, but the effects of their being were
>>> *enormous* and felt all over the world. They brought pleasure to
>>> many, both directly and indirectly, and inspired other people to
>>> greatness and still do to this day.
>>
>> Warne may inspire a few kids to take up the game, but most of his
>> influence diminished some time ago.
>
> Which happens to a lot of people after they hang up their gloves. That
> doesn't diminish their achievements in any way.
>
>>>> I know that people liked him but sheesh whats next a week of
>>>> national mourning?
>>>
>>> The Victorian State Government has offered the family a state
>>> funeral. People want to pay their respects to someone who they
>>> admired and who was recognised as the best in the world at what they
>>> did, and I don't have a problem with that. In fact I would think
>>> someone like Warne receiving a State Funeral is probably more
>>> deserving than some others who have been awarded that honour in
>>> recent times.
>
>> More of an effort to get political gain from a populist move
>
> Possibly, but we'll never know. They gave a state funeral to Bert
> Newton, and I don't know if that resulted in any great return in the polls.
>
>>> I can't say I was ever a huge Cricket fanatic, but I liked watching a
>>> game every now and then and always enjoyed watching Warne play as he
>>> was a game changer. He was a *brilliant* cricketer in every respect,
>>> and he deserves all the accolades he gets.
>>
>> As I originally said he was very good in a very restricted field
>
> Yeah, so was Ayerton Senna. Do you remember the world's reaction when he
> died?

There were no 20 page supplements for him and worldwide he was far
better known than Warne.

>>> You might not have been a fan and
>>
>> I'm certainly not a cricket fan despite being from a Yorkshire family,
>> the thing is that a lot of others equally good at what they did,
>> whether in sport or something actually useful have received far less
>> adulation at their death.
>
> And who did you have in mind there?

Just as an instance, a guy died up here in Queensland recently. He died
rescuing somebody from the surf, he was also a highly regarded research
doctor working on cures for diseases, not only did he die in a selfless
act but his death leaves a hole in a worthwhile endeavor. It made about
20 secinds on the TV news and about 8 column inches in the paper.

>>> you're certainly well within your rights to not give a shit about his
>>> passing, but to dismiss the public and media reaction to his untimely
>>> death as "out of proportion" is not only inconsiderate but
>>> demonstrates absolute ignorance about just how popular he was.
>>
>> I have no idea what the public reaction has been, it's the media that
>> have gone overboard, a lot of people on the east coast have more
>> immediate things to worry about.
>
> They probably do, but their plight isn't a world wide story. Warne's
> premature death is.
>
> I read in the Herald-Sun this morning that the New York Times did a
> story on Warne yesterday, and they had to explain what a "bowler" was to
> their readers as most Americans would have no idea.

And I don't suppose that they will care anyway.

>>> It's up to you, but in being critical of the response to his death
>>> all you're managing to achieve is to make yourself out to be the
>>> miserably insensitive prick.
>>
>> Whatever, but I don't think that I'm Robinson Crusoe in my view.
>
> You may not be, but that doesn't alter the fact that you seem to be
> completely ignorant of the man's popularity, and dismissing the reaction
> to his death as being unworthy for someone who's talent was "to chuck a
> ball 22 yards" is ridiculous.

That's exactly what he did, he did it very well, but it's quite a
limited talent really.

Reaction of people is one thing, it's the reactio of the media that I
was commenting on. Rod Marsh's family must be feeling that he wasn't
anywhere near as important.

> My wife has never been a cricket fan at all, but she filled me in on the
> news yesterday when I woke up. She didn't particularly care one way or
> the other apart from being sorry for his kids, but she knew this story
> was going to be "huge". And it is.
>

On 5/3/2022 7:38 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 5/03/2022 9:41 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 5/3/2022 6:15 am, lindsay wrote:
>>> On 5/03/2022 1:49 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> Heart atttack claimed both of them, Warne was only 52.
>>>> Legends of cricket, loved watching Warne bowl.
>>>
>>> yup. sad day. I've a signed ball from Warne (and Denis Lillee and
>>> Glenn McGrath). I'll look at it a bit differently now... :-( bit of a
>>> shock.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Incredible, at first I didn't believe it, 2 legends in the same week:-(
>
> in 2 days! Yep. Watching people younger than me fall off the twig with
> alarming regularity. Just goes to show, a sportsman like warnie dying at
> 52 makes the likes of me a target for the Grim Reaper.
>
From what I've read he wasn't the fittest person even when he was
playing Tests, his diet was far from optimal for an athlete.
Still way too young.

--
Daryl

On 6/03/2022 3:37 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 6/03/2022 10:55 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 6/03/2022 12:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>> It's all got out of proportion. Warne was a bogans bogan who's sole
>>> talent was to chuck a ball 22 yards in such a way to bamboozle the
>>> guy at the other end. He did nothing to to advance any cause of
>>> humanity, but still the SEQ channel 9 news devoted more time to him
>>> than the floods and Ukraine combined, and todays Courier Mail devotes
>>> 20 pages to him.
>>
>> You could say the exact same thing about every single "celebrity" in
>> history. Mozart. The Beatles. Jesse Owens. Tiger Woods. Jackson
>> Pollock. William Shakespeare. Nellie Melba. Eddie Van Halen. You name
>> it. None of them ever set out to "advance the cause of humanity" by
>> their actions, but the effects of their being were *enormous* and felt
>> all over the world. They brought pleasure to many, both directly and
>> indirectly, and inspired other people to greatness and still do to
>> this day. That can never be a bad thing, and in a world where pain and
>> hurt get a disproportionate share of the daily headlines there is
>> nothing wrong in recognising people for their positive achievements
>> and to remember them for the joy and happiness they brought to many.
>>
>
> I agree with that 100%.
>
>>> I know that people liked him but sheesh whats next a week of national
>>> mourning?
>>
>> The Victorian State Government has offered the family a state funeral.
>> People want to pay their respects to someone who they admired and who
>> was recognised as the best in the world at what they did, and I don't
>> have a problem with that. In fact I would think someone like Warne
>> receiving a State Funeral is probably more deserving than some others
>> who have been awarded that honour in recent times.
>>
>> I can't say I was ever a huge Cricket fanatic, but I liked watching a
>> game every now and then and always enjoyed watching Warne play as he
>> was a game changer. He was a *brilliant* cricketer in every respect,
>> and he deserves all the accolades he gets. You might not have been a
>> fan and you're certainly well within your rights to not give a shit
>> about his passing, but to dismiss the public and media reaction to his
>> untimely death as "out of proportion" is not only inconsiderate but
>> demonstrates absolute ignorance about just how popular he was.
>>
>> It's up to you, but in being critical of the response to his death all
>> you're managing to achieve is to make yourself out to be the miserably
>> insensitive prick.
>>
>>
>
>
> Agreed again 100%. Warnie was a game changer and a master of the art of
> spin bowling. He inspired many kids to play cricket exactly because he
> was so relatable plus he did a lot for the game off the pitch.
>
> Keith is just a sour old insensitive cunt who only cares about boosting
> his ego by diminishing other peoples achievements.
>
> Fuck him.
<yawn>

On 6/03/2022 4:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 6/03/2022 4:37 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 6/03/2022 10:55 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 6/03/2022 12:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's all got out of proportion. Warne was a bogans bogan who's sole
>>>> talent was to chuck a ball 22 yards in such a way to bamboozle the
>>>> guy at the other end. He did nothing to to advance any cause of
>>>> humanity, but still the SEQ channel 9 news devoted more time to him
>>>> than the floods and Ukraine combined, and todays Courier Mail
>>>> devotes 20 pages to him.
>>>
>>> You could say the exact same thing about every single "celebrity" in
>>> history. Mozart. The Beatles. Jesse Owens. Tiger Woods. Jackson
>>> Pollock. William Shakespeare. Nellie Melba. Eddie Van Halen. You name
>>> it. None of them ever set out to "advance the cause of humanity" by
>>> their actions, but the effects of their being were *enormous* and
>>> felt all over the world. They brought pleasure to many, both directly
>>> and indirectly, and inspired other people to greatness and still do
>>> to this day. That can never be a bad thing, and in a world where pain
>>> and hurt get a disproportionate share of the daily headlines there is
>>> nothing wrong in recognising people for their positive achievements
>>> and to remember them for the joy and happiness they brought to many.
>>>
>>
>> I agree with that 100%.
>>
>>>> I know that people liked him but sheesh whats next a week of
>>>> national mourning?
>>>
>>> The Victorian State Government has offered the family a state
>>> funeral. People want to pay their respects to someone who they
>>> admired and who was recognised as the best in the world at what they
>>> did, and I don't have a problem with that. In fact I would think
>>> someone like Warne receiving a State Funeral is probably more
>>> deserving than some others who have been awarded that honour in
>>> recent times.
>>>
>>> I can't say I was ever a huge Cricket fanatic, but I liked watching a
>>> game every now and then and always enjoyed watching Warne play as he
>>> was a game changer. He was a *brilliant* cricketer in every respect,
>>> and he deserves all the accolades he gets. You might not have been a
>>> fan and you're certainly well within your rights to not give a shit
>>> about his passing, but to dismiss the public and media reaction to
>>> his untimely death as "out of proportion" is not only inconsiderate
>>> but demonstrates absolute ignorance about just how popular he was.
>>>
>>> It's up to you, but in being critical of the response to his death
>>> all you're managing to achieve is to make yourself out to be the
>>> miserably insensitive prick.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Agreed again 100%. Warnie was a game changer and a master of the art
>> of spin bowling. He inspired many kids to play cricket exactly because
>> he was so relatable plus he did a lot for the game off the pitch.
>>
>> Keith is just a sour old insensitive cunt who only cares about
>> boosting his ego by diminishing other peoples achievements.
>>
>> Fuck him.
>>
>
> I suppose he'll say now.. "haha I wasn't being serious" idiot that he is.
>
>
Nope, I meant every word and I'll stand by them.Unlike you I don't bend
with the flow.

On 6/03/2022 4:26 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 6/03/2022 2:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 6/03/2022 4:37 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 6/03/2022 10:55 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 6/03/2022 12:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's all got out of proportion. Warne was a bogans bogan who's sole
>>>>> talent was to chuck a ball 22 yards in such a way to bamboozle the
>>>>> guy at the other end. He did nothing to to advance any cause of
>>>>> humanity, but still the SEQ channel 9 news devoted more time to him
>>>>> than the floods and Ukraine combined, and todays Courier Mail
>>>>> devotes 20 pages to him.
>>>>
>>>> You could say the exact same thing about every single "celebrity" in
>>>> history. Mozart. The Beatles. Jesse Owens. Tiger Woods. Jackson
>>>> Pollock. William Shakespeare. Nellie Melba. Eddie Van Halen. You
>>>> name it. None of them ever set out to "advance the cause of
>>>> humanity" by their actions, but the effects of their being were
>>>> *enormous* and felt all over the world. They brought pleasure to
>>>> many, both directly and indirectly, and inspired other people to
>>>> greatness and still do to this day. That can never be a bad thing,
>>>> and in a world where pain and hurt get a disproportionate share of
>>>> the daily headlines there is nothing wrong in recognising people for
>>>> their positive achievements and to remember them for the joy and
>>>> happiness they brought to many.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with that 100%.
>>>
>>>>> I know that people liked him but sheesh whats next a week of
>>>>> national mourning?
>>>>
>>>> The Victorian State Government has offered the family a state
>>>> funeral. People want to pay their respects to someone who they
>>>> admired and who was recognised as the best in the world at what they
>>>> did, and I don't have a problem with that. In fact I would think
>>>> someone like Warne receiving a State Funeral is probably more
>>>> deserving than some others who have been awarded that honour in
>>>> recent times.
>>>>
>>>> I can't say I was ever a huge Cricket fanatic, but I liked watching
>>>> a game every now and then and always enjoyed watching Warne play as
>>>> he was a game changer. He was a *brilliant* cricketer in every
>>>> respect, and he deserves all the accolades he gets. You might not
>>>> have been a fan and you're certainly well within your rights to not
>>>> give a shit about his passing, but to dismiss the public and media
>>>> reaction to his untimely death as "out of proportion" is not only
>>>> inconsiderate but demonstrates absolute ignorance about just how
>>>> popular he was.
>>>>
>>>> It's up to you, but in being critical of the response to his death
>>>> all you're managing to achieve is to make yourself out to be the
>>>> miserably insensitive prick.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Agreed again 100%. Warnie was a game changer and a master of the art
>>> of spin bowling. He inspired many kids to play cricket exactly
>>> because he was so relatable plus he did a lot for the game off the
>>> pitch.
>>>
>>> Keith is just a sour old insensitive cunt who only cares about
>>> boosting his ego by diminishing other peoples achievements.
>>>
>>> Fuck him.
>>>
>>
>> I suppose he'll say now.. "haha I wasn't being serious" idiot that he is.
>>
>>
>
> Probably, but that would only prove that he is a troll and nothing he
> has ever said can be taken seriously, including his grand claims of
> being an ace programmer.
>
See above.

On 5/3/2022 8:58 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 5/03/2022 7:34 pm, lindsay wrote:
>> On 5/03/2022 8:33 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>
>>> 2022 is starting off *real* well....
>>
>> Well, for me, it's not so bad. I just had my tree puller delivered:
>> "The Jaws of Death" :-) https://imgur.com/a/OYZX1Ya So Labour Day
>> weekend for me is looking pretty good. What I cant slash, I'll simply
>> pull out and burn. We're already planning some mods.. a 20l drum of
>> diesel thats sprays the manuka as it comes out of the ground, and an
>> igniter once it's out of the ground.. :-)
>
> Looks awesome :)
>
>> Just booked my 3rd cruise to the Islands, and this time, we're in a/the
>> penthouse suite :-) Missus doesnt know yet, so that should produce a
>> smile, provided we're allowed to go....
>
> Fingers crossed. I think life is slowly returning to normal, and short
> of there being another Covid variant that is significantly worse than
> Omicron I can't see us going backwards to any significant degree.

Yep, this time next week we will be in Brisbane, first time we have been
out of Vic since before Covid.

--
Daryl

On 5/3/2022 8:25 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 5/03/2022 8:13 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 5/03/2022 12:47 pm, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>> On 05-Mar-22 3:42 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 5/3/2022 11:29 am, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>> On 05-Mar-22 1:49 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> Heart atttack claimed both of them, Warne was only 52.
>>>>>> Legends of cricket, loved watching Warne bowl.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At least I'd heard of Warne.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Marsh
>>>> Obviously not a cricket fan then, Rod Marsh was the Australian Test
>>>> team wicket keeper for about 14yrs, 1970-1984 and was no doubt one
>>>> of the best wicket keepers in the history of the game.
>>>> "Bowled D K Lillee caught R Marsh" is in the record books 95 times
>>>> which is IMHO an incredible achievement.
>>>> He went on to be a coach and Australian Cricket Chairman of selectors.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> In fairness, I didn't arrive in Australia until about 1985.
>>
>> Marsh/Lillee were much respected and well known in every cricket
>> playing nation.
>
> Caught Marsh, Bowled Lillee. I dont know how many times I heard Alan
> McGilvray and Jim Maxwell yell that pair... I grew up hearing that on
> ABC radio. DK Lillee was my hero in my younger days, with Rod Marsh
> right behind. I've some awesome pics of them at the MCG....

I can do better than that:-)
Got pictures of the wife and I with Dennis Lillee, meet him twice at a
couple of trade shows and spent time chatting, he was very generous with
his time and a terrific bloke with a great sense of humour.
I reminded him of a ODI final against the West Indies at the MCG in 1989
(I think it was 89), he was bowling to Viv Richards and he was starting
his run up by pushing off the boundary fence, he laughed and said " I
was a bit of a smart arse back then":-)

>
> Apparently a world record for bowler/keeper wickets?
>

Yes according to the Wiki article I read.

--
Daryl

On 6/03/2022 6:53 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 6/03/2022 4:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 6/03/2022 4:37 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 6/03/2022 10:55 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 6/03/2022 12:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> It's all got out of proportion. Warne was a bogans bogan who's
>>>>> sole talent was to chuck a ball 22 yards in such a way to
>>>>> bamboozle the guy at the other end. He did nothing to to advance
>>>>> any cause of humanity, but still the SEQ channel 9 news devoted
>>>>> more time to him than the floods and Ukraine combined, and todays
>>>>> Courier Mail devotes 20 pages to him.
>>>>
>>>> You could say the exact same thing about every single "celebrity"
>>>> in history. Mozart. The Beatles. Jesse Owens. Tiger Woods. Jackson
>>>> Pollock. William Shakespeare. Nellie Melba. Eddie Van Halen. You
>>>> name it. None of them ever set out to "advance the cause of
>>>> humanity" by their actions, but the effects of their being were
>>>> *enormous* and felt all over the world. They brought pleasure to
>>>> many, both directly and indirectly, and inspired other people to
>>>> greatness and still do to this day. That can never be a bad thing,
>>>> and in a world where pain and hurt get a disproportionate share of
>>>> the daily headlines there is nothing wrong in recognising people
>>>> for their positive achievements and to remember them for the joy
>>>> and happiness they brought to many.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with that 100%.
>>>
>>>>> I know that people liked him but sheesh whats next a week of
>>>>> national mourning?
>>>>
>>>> The Victorian State Government has offered the family a state
>>>> funeral. People want to pay their respects to someone who they
>>>> admired and who was recognised as the best in the world at what
>>>> they did, and I don't have a problem with that. In fact I would
>>>> think someone like Warne receiving a State Funeral is probably more
>>>> deserving than some others who have been awarded that honour in
>>>> recent times.
>>>>
>>>> I can't say I was ever a huge Cricket fanatic, but I liked watching
>>>> a game every now and then and always enjoyed watching Warne play as
>>>> he was a game changer. He was a *brilliant* cricketer in every
>>>> respect, and he deserves all the accolades he gets. You might not
>>>> have been a fan and you're certainly well within your rights to not
>>>> give a shit about his passing, but to dismiss the public and media
>>>> reaction to his untimely death as "out of proportion" is not only
>>>> inconsiderate but demonstrates absolute ignorance about just how
>>>> popular he was.
>>>>
>>>> It's up to you, but in being critical of the response to his death
>>>> all you're managing to achieve is to make yourself out to be the
>>>> miserably insensitive prick.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Agreed again 100%. Warnie was a game changer and a master of the art
>>> of spin bowling. He inspired many kids to play cricket exactly
>>> because he was so relatable plus he did a lot for the game off the
>>> pitch.
>>>
>>> Keith is just a sour old insensitive cunt who only cares about
>>> boosting his ego by diminishing other peoples achievements.
>>>
>>> Fuck him.
>>>
>>
>> I suppose he'll say now.. "haha I wasn't being serious" idiot that he
>> is.
>>
>>
> Nope, I meant every word and I'll stand by them.

given that previously you've said your posts weren't serious, shirley in
futerer you should preface them with "Serious content follows" or
"Non-Serious content follows"

> Unlike you I don't bend with the flow.

flows don't bend they divert. perhaps analogy is not your thing? (among
others)

--
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FUCK PUTIN!!

"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"He came, he saw, he got pummelled" - Alvey on Keefy
"What a pair! Not a single word of rebuttal or reason,
just cretinous abuse" - Alvey on jonz and noddy
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy
"your opinion isn't worth 2 knobs of goat shit"
- Xeno on Grubby Tech

On 6/3/2022 12:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> It's all got out of proportion. Warne was a bogans bogan who's sole
> talent was to chuck a ball 22 yards in such a way to bamboozle the guy
> at the other end. He did nothing to to advance any cause of humanity,

Yes and no, helping people and possibly the entire nation feel better
about themselves cannot be said as not contributing anything.
There is value to peoples well being from sport and entertainment.

> but still the SEQ channel 9 news devoted more time to him than the
> floods and Ukraine combined, and todays Courier Mail devotes 20 pages to
> him. I know that people liked him but sheesh whats next a week of
> national mourning?

Agree the news media are well and truly over the top about it but maybe
they think that making positive statements about someone who was a hero
to many will help take their minds of all the other negative shit.

--
Daryl

On 6/3/2022 2:39 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 6/03/2022 12:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 6/03/2022 12:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>> It's all got out of proportion. Warne was a bogans bogan who's sole
>>> talent was to chuck a ball 22 yards in such a way to bamboozle the
>>> guy at the other end. He did nothing to to advance any cause of
>>> humanity, but still the SEQ channel 9 news devoted more time to him
>>> than the floods and Ukraine combined, and todays Courier Mail devotes
>>> 20 pages to him.
>>
>> You could say the exact same thing about every single "celebrity" in
>> history. Mozart. The Beatles. Jesse Owens. Tiger Woods. Jackson
>> Pollock. William Shakespeare. Nellie Melba. Eddie Van Halen.
>
> Not quite Warne will be forgotten within a generation, other than by a
> few cricket tragics. Most of the others have left something tangible
> behind.

Would you say the same thing about Bradman?
Many people and I'm one of them rate him only second to Bradman in
Cricket, the only other Australian sports person I'd rate as anywhere
near those 2 is Sir Jack Brabham.

>
>> You name it. None of them ever set out to "advance the cause of
>> humanity" by their actions, but the effects of their being were
>> *enormous* and felt all over the world. They brought pleasure to many,
>> both directly and indirectly, and inspired other people to greatness
>> and still do to this day.
>
> Warne may inspire a few kids to take up the game, but most of his
> influence diminished some time ago.

Not at all, before Warne leg spin and spin bowling in general was a
dying art, now its very popular.
Both my Grandkids have started playing cricket this season, the town
where they live only has a population of 11,000 yet they have more than
15 senior and junior teams so cricket is as popular as ever and partly
due to super stars like Warne.
>
>> That can never be a bad thing, and in a world where pain and hurt get
>> a disproportionate share of the daily headlines there is nothing wrong
>> in recognising people for their positive achievements and to remember
>> them for the joy and happiness they brought to many.
>>
>>> I know that people liked him but sheesh whats next a week of national
>>> mourning?
>>
>> The Victorian State Government has offered the family a state funeral.
>> People want to pay their respects to someone who they admired and who
>> was recognised as the best in the world at what they did, and I don't
>> have a problem with that. In fact I would think someone like Warne
>> receiving a State Funeral is probably more deserving than some others
>> who have been awarded that honour in recent times.
>
> More of an effort to get political gain from a populist move

Very likely.
>
>> I can't say I was ever a huge Cricket fanatic, but I liked watching a
>> game every now and then and always enjoyed watching Warne play as he
>> was a game changer. He was a *brilliant* cricketer in every respect,
>> and he deserves all the accolades he gets.
>
> As I originally said he was very good in a very restricted field
>
>> You might not have been a fan and
>
> I'm certainly not a cricket fan despite being from a Yorkshire family,
> the thing is that a lot of others equally good at what they did, whether
> in sport or something actually useful have received far less adulation
> at their death.

That's true but how do you value the contribution sports stars and/or
entertainers make to the mental health of the population?
It's not as easy to quantify that value as it is to quantify the
contribution of say the scientists who invented Covid vaccines but they
both have value.
>
>> you're certainly well within your rights to not give a shit about his
>> passing, but to dismiss the public and media reaction to his untimely
>> death as "out of proportion" is not only inconsiderate but
>> demonstrates absolute ignorance about just how popular he was.
>
> I have no idea what the public reaction has been, it's the media that
> have gone overboard, a lot of people on the east coast have more
> immediate things to worry about.
>
>> It's up to you, but in being critical of the response to his death all
>> you're managing to achieve is to make yourself out to be the miserably
>> insensitive prick.
>
> Whatever, but I don't think that I'm Robinson Crusoe in my view.

I understand what you are saying and I've said much the same when some
"celebrity" has passed away and the press has IMHO gone overboard but as
I said above their contribution does have value.
I suspect that in Warne's case the press going over the top was as much
to do with the sudden and unexpected nature of his death than anything
else, if he had been in his 80's and he died after a long illness the
coverage would have been more subdued.

--
Daryl

On 6/3/2022 3:48 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 6/03/2022 1:05 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 6/3/22 12:41, keithr0 wrote:
>>> It's all got out of proportion. Warne was a bogans bogan who's sole
>>> talent was to chuck a ball 22 yards in such a way to bamboozle the
>>> guy at the other end. He did nothing to to advance any cause of
>>> humanity, but still the SEQ channel 9 news devoted more time to him
>>> than the floods and Ukraine combined, and todays Courier Mail devotes
>>> 20 pages to him. I know that people liked him but sheesh whats next a
>>> week of national mourning?
>>
>> I dislike sporting identities being called *heroes*. Anyway, what an
>> end, a heart attack after a tryst with an LBFMPBFR. The Bophut police
>> will have remove the viagra from the scene if Warnie's travelling
>> companions hadn't done so already. Bad for the *public image* of Koh
>> Samui you see.
>>
> You disgust me.

If anyone needs more proof of what a low life scum bag Xeno is see above.

--
Daryl

On 6/03/2022 2:05 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 6/3/22 12:41, keithr0 wrote:
>> It's all got out of proportion. Warne was a bogans bogan who's sole
>> talent was to chuck a ball 22 yards in such a way to bamboozle the
>> guy at the other end. He did nothing to to advance any cause of
>> humanity, but still the SEQ channel 9 news devoted more time to him
>> than the floods and Ukraine combined, and todays Courier Mail devotes
>> 20 pages to him. I know that people liked him but sheesh whats next a
>> week of national mourning?
>
> I dislike sporting identities being called *heroes*.

yes, so do I. call them an icon, or something else, but not hero.

> Anyway, what an end, a heart attack after a tryst with an LBFMPBFR.
> The Bophut police will have remove the viagra from the scene if
> Warnie's travelling companions hadn't done so already. Bad for the
> *public image* of Koh Samui you see.
>

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"He came, he saw, he got pummelled" - Alvey on Keefy
"What a pair! Not a single word of rebuttal or reason,
just cretinous abuse" - Alvey on jonz and noddy
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy
"your opinion isn't worth 2 knobs of goat shit"
- Xeno on Grubby Tech

On 6/3/22 19:36, Daryl wrote:
> On 6/3/2022 3:48 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 6/03/2022 1:05 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 6/3/22 12:41, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> It's all got out of proportion. Warne was a bogans bogan who's sole
>>>> talent was to chuck a ball 22 yards in such a way to bamboozle the
>>>> guy at the other end. He did nothing to to advance any cause of
>>>> humanity, but still the SEQ channel 9 news devoted more time to him
>>>> than the floods and Ukraine combined, and todays Courier Mail
>>>> devotes 20 pages to him. I know that people liked him but sheesh
>>>> whats next a week of national mourning?
>>>
>>> I dislike sporting identities being called *heroes*. Anyway, what an
>>> end, a heart attack after a tryst with an LBFMPBFR. The Bophut police
>>> will have remove the viagra from the scene if Warnie's travelling
>>> companions hadn't done so already. Bad for the *public image* of Koh
>>> Samui you see.
>>>
>> You disgust me.
>
> If anyone needs more proof of what a low life scum bag Xeno is see above.
>
You too need to get out more. You're living in a bubble.

--
Xeno

On 6/03/2022 4:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 6/03/2022 2:05 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 6/3/22 12:41, keithr0 wrote:
>>> It's all got out of proportion. Warne was a bogans bogan who's sole
>>> talent was to chuck a ball 22 yards in such a way to bamboozle the
>>> guy at the other end. He did nothing to to advance any cause of
>>> humanity, but still the SEQ channel 9 news devoted more time to him
>>> than the floods and Ukraine combined, and todays Courier Mail devotes
>>> 20 pages to him. I know that people liked him but sheesh whats next a
>>> week of national mourning?
>>
>> I dislike sporting identities being called *heroes*.
>
>
> yes, so do I. call them an icon, or something else, but not hero.
>

I don't call them heroes either. Nevertheless Warne is still a legend of
the game and did a lot of good things off the field as well (and some
shitty things but nobody is perfect).

>
>> Anyway, what an end, a heart attack after a tryst with an LBFMPBFR.
>> The Bophut police will have remove the viagra from the scene if
>> Warnie's travelling companions hadn't done so already. Bad for the
>> *public image* of Koh Samui you see.
>>
>

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

On 6/3/22 19:48, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 6/03/2022 2:05 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 6/3/22 12:41, keithr0 wrote:
>>> It's all got out of proportion. Warne was a bogans bogan who's sole
>>> talent was to chuck a ball 22 yards in such a way to bamboozle the
>>> guy at the other end. He did nothing to to advance any cause of
>>> humanity, but still the SEQ channel 9 news devoted more time to him
>>> than the floods and Ukraine combined, and todays Courier Mail devotes
>>> 20 pages to him. I know that people liked him but sheesh whats next a
>>> week of national mourning?
>>
>> I dislike sporting identities being called *heroes*.
>
>
> yes, so do I. call them an icon, or something else, but not hero.
>
Yes indeed! Want some *heroes* to look up to? Then look to those
*civilians* taking up arms against the Russian invaders yet facing sure
death because they are hopelessly outnumbered and outgunned. They are
the true heroes in my book.
>
>> Anyway, what an end, a heart attack after a tryst with an LBFMPBFR.
>> The Bophut police will have remove the viagra from the scene if
>> Warnie's travelling companions hadn't done so already. Bad for the
>> *public image* of Koh Samui you see.
>>
>

--
Xeno

On 6/3/22 20:00, Clocky wrote:
> On 6/03/2022 4:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 6/03/2022 2:05 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 6/3/22 12:41, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> It's all got out of proportion. Warne was a bogans bogan who's sole
>>>> talent was to chuck a ball 22 yards in such a way to bamboozle the
>>>> guy at the other end. He did nothing to to advance any cause of
>>>> humanity, but still the SEQ channel 9 news devoted more time to him
>>>> than the floods and Ukraine combined, and todays Courier Mail
>>>> devotes 20 pages to him. I know that people liked him but sheesh
>>>> whats next a week of national mourning?
>>>
>>> I dislike sporting identities being called *heroes*.
>>
>>
>> yes, so do I. call them an icon, or something else, but not hero.
>>
>
> I don't call them heroes either. Nevertheless Warne is still a legend of
> the game and did a lot of good things off the field as well (and some
> shitty things but nobody is perfect).
>
Legend, yes, I can deal with him being called a *cricketing legend*..
One thing he was also well known for - not keeping his dick in his
pocket. He was a well known philanderer. That will all be glossed over
now he has passed away.
>>
>>> Anyway, what an end, a heart attack after a tryst with an LBFMPBFR.
>>> The Bophut police will have remove the viagra from the scene if
>>> Warnie's travelling companions hadn't done so already. Bad for the
>>> *public image* of Koh Samui you see.
>>>
>>
>
>

--
Xeno

On 6/03/2022 5:53 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> grand claims of being an ace programmer

Thats something that you've made up, can you point to any claim that
I've made of being an "Ace" programmer? I think not, I was good at it,
there were others better than me.

I stand by everything that I've claimed, if you can prove otherwise then
go ahead make my day.

On 6/03/2022 6:09 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 6/03/2022 6:53 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 6/03/2022 4:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 6/03/2022 4:37 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 6/03/2022 10:55 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 6/03/2022 12:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's all got out of proportion. Warne was a bogans bogan who's
>>>>>> sole talent was to chuck a ball 22 yards in such a way to
>>>>>> bamboozle the guy at the other end. He did nothing to to advance
>>>>>> any cause of humanity, but still the SEQ channel 9 news devoted
>>>>>> more time to him than the floods and Ukraine combined, and todays
>>>>>> Courier Mail devotes 20 pages to him.
>>>>>
>>>>> You could say the exact same thing about every single "celebrity"
>>>>> in history. Mozart. The Beatles. Jesse Owens. Tiger Woods. Jackson
>>>>> Pollock. William Shakespeare. Nellie Melba. Eddie Van Halen. You
>>>>> name it. None of them ever set out to "advance the cause of
>>>>> humanity" by their actions, but the effects of their being were
>>>>> *enormous* and felt all over the world. They brought pleasure to
>>>>> many, both directly and indirectly, and inspired other people to
>>>>> greatness and still do to this day. That can never be a bad thing,
>>>>> and in a world where pain and hurt get a disproportionate share of
>>>>> the daily headlines there is nothing wrong in recognising people
>>>>> for their positive achievements and to remember them for the joy
>>>>> and happiness they brought to many.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I agree with that 100%.
>>>>
>>>>>> I know that people liked him but sheesh whats next a week of
>>>>>> national mourning?
>>>>>
>>>>> The Victorian State Government has offered the family a state
>>>>> funeral. People want to pay their respects to someone who they
>>>>> admired and who was recognised as the best in the world at what
>>>>> they did, and I don't have a problem with that. In fact I would
>>>>> think someone like Warne receiving a State Funeral is probably more
>>>>> deserving than some others who have been awarded that honour in
>>>>> recent times.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't say I was ever a huge Cricket fanatic, but I liked watching
>>>>> a game every now and then and always enjoyed watching Warne play as
>>>>> he was a game changer. He was a *brilliant* cricketer in every
>>>>> respect, and he deserves all the accolades he gets. You might not
>>>>> have been a fan and you're certainly well within your rights to not
>>>>> give a shit about his passing, but to dismiss the public and media
>>>>> reaction to his untimely death as "out of proportion" is not only
>>>>> inconsiderate but demonstrates absolute ignorance about just how
>>>>> popular he was.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's up to you, but in being critical of the response to his death
>>>>> all you're managing to achieve is to make yourself out to be the
>>>>> miserably insensitive prick.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Agreed again 100%. Warnie was a game changer and a master of the art
>>>> of spin bowling. He inspired many kids to play cricket exactly
>>>> because he was so relatable plus he did a lot for the game off the
>>>> pitch.
>>>>
>>>> Keith is just a sour old insensitive cunt who only cares about
>>>> boosting his ego by diminishing other peoples achievements.
>>>>
>>>> Fuck him.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I suppose he'll say now.. "haha I wasn't being serious" idiot that he
>>> is.
>>>
>>>
>> Nope, I meant every word and I'll stand by them.
>
>
> given that previously you've said your posts weren't serious, shirley in
> futerer you should preface them with "Serious content follows" or
> "Non-Serious content follows"

Repeat that in english not gibberish.

>> Unlike you I don't bend with the flow.
>
>
> flows don't bend they divert. perhaps analogy is not your thing? (among
> others)

What an idiotic statement, you seem to have a comprehension problem, I
said that you bend *WITH* the flow not that you bend the flow.

On 6/03/2022 6:11 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 6/3/2022 12:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> It's all got out of proportion. Warne was a bogans bogan who's sole
>> talent was to chuck a ball 22 yards in such a way to bamboozle the guy
>> at the other end. He did nothing to to advance any cause of humanity,
>
>
> Yes and no, helping people and possibly the entire nation feel better
> about themselves cannot be said as not contributing anything.
> There is value to peoples well being from sport and entertainment.
>
>
>> but still the SEQ channel 9 news devoted more time to him than the
>> floods and Ukraine combined, and todays Courier Mail devotes 20 pages
>> to him. I know that people liked him but sheesh whats next a week of
>> national mourning?
>
> Agree the news media are well and truly over the top about it but maybe
> they think that making positive statements about someone who was a hero
> to many will help take their minds of all the other negative shit.
>
>
Personally, I don't like the way that the word "Hero"is bandied about
these days, it always used to mean somebody who had given of themselves
usually by putting themselves in danger to help others.

On 6/3/22 20:30, keithr0 wrote:
> On 6/03/2022 6:11 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 6/3/2022 12:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> It's all got out of proportion. Warne was a bogans bogan who's sole
>>> talent was to chuck a ball 22 yards in such a way to bamboozle the
>>> guy at the other end. He did nothing to to advance any cause of
>>> humanity,
>>
>>
>> Yes and no, helping people and possibly the entire nation feel better
>> about themselves cannot be said as not contributing anything.
>> There is value to peoples well being from sport and entertainment.
>>
>>
>>> but still the SEQ channel 9 news devoted more time to him than the
>>> floods and Ukraine combined, and todays Courier Mail devotes 20 pages
>>> to him. I know that people liked him but sheesh whats next a week of
>>> national mourning?
>>
>> Agree the news media are well and truly over the top about it but
>> maybe they think that making positive statements about someone who was
>> a hero to many will help take their minds of all the other negative shit.
>>
>>
> Personally, I don't like the way that the word "Hero"is bandied about
> these days, it always used to mean somebody who had given of themselves
> usually by putting themselves in danger to help others.

Pre-cisely!

--
Xeno

On 6/03/2022 6:31 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 6/3/2022 2:39 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 6/03/2022 12:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 6/03/2022 12:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's all got out of proportion. Warne was a bogans bogan who's sole
>>>> talent was to chuck a ball 22 yards in such a way to bamboozle the
>>>> guy at the other end. He did nothing to to advance any cause of
>>>> humanity, but still the SEQ channel 9 news devoted more time to him
>>>> than the floods and Ukraine combined, and todays Courier Mail
>>>> devotes 20 pages to him.
>>>
>>> You could say the exact same thing about every single "celebrity" in
>>> history. Mozart. The Beatles. Jesse Owens. Tiger Woods. Jackson
>>> Pollock. William Shakespeare. Nellie Melba. Eddie Van Halen.
>>
>> Not quite Warne will be forgotten within a generation, other than by a
>> few cricket tragics. Most of the others have left something tangible
>> behind.
>
> Would you say the same thing about Bradman?
> Many people and I'm one of them rate him only second to Bradman in
> Cricket, the only other Australian sports person I'd rate as anywhere
> near those 2 is Sir Jack Brabham.

He belonged to a different era, things move much more quickly these
days, I'm not sure that millennials other than cricket tragics would
think of him as anything other than somebody that they vaguely remember
being mentioned by their parents.

You'd probably have a hard time finding people under 40 who remember
Jack Brabham.

>>> You name it. None of them ever set out to "advance the cause of
>>> humanity" by their actions, but the effects of their being were
>>> *enormous* and felt all over the world. They brought pleasure to
>>> many, both directly and indirectly, and inspired other people to
>>> greatness and still do to this day.
>>
>> Warne may inspire a few kids to take up the game, but most of his
>> influence diminished some time ago.
>
> Not at all, before Warne leg spin and spin bowling in general was a
> dying art, now its very popular.
> Both my Grandkids have started playing cricket this season, the town
> where they live only has a population of 11,000 yet they have more than
> 15 senior and junior teams so cricket is as popular as ever and partly
> due to super stars like Warne.
>>
>>> That can never be a bad thing, and in a world where pain and hurt get
>>> a disproportionate share of the daily headlines there is nothing
>>> wrong in recognising people for their positive achievements and to
>>> remember them for the joy and happiness they brought to many.
>>>
>>>> I know that people liked him but sheesh whats next a week of
>>>> national mourning?
>>>
>>> The Victorian State Government has offered the family a state
>>> funeral. People want to pay their respects to someone who they
>>> admired and who was recognised as the best in the world at what they
>>> did, and I don't have a problem with that. In fact I would think
>>> someone like Warne receiving a State Funeral is probably more
>>> deserving than some others who have been awarded that honour in
>>> recent times.
>>
>> More of an effort to get political gain from a populist move
>
> Very likely.
>>
>>> I can't say I was ever a huge Cricket fanatic, but I liked watching a
>>> game every now and then and always enjoyed watching Warne play as he
>>> was a game changer. He was a *brilliant* cricketer in every respect,
>>> and he deserves all the accolades he gets.
>>
>> As I originally said he was very good in a very restricted field
>>
>>> You might not have been a fan and
>>
>> I'm certainly not a cricket fan despite being from a Yorkshire family,
>> the thing is that a lot of others equally good at what they did,
>> whether in sport or something actually useful have received far less
>> adulation at their death.
>
> That's true but how do you value the contribution sports stars and/or
> entertainers make to the mental health of the population?
> It's not as easy to quantify that value as it is to quantify the
> contribution of say the scientists who invented Covid vaccines but they
> both have value.
>>
>>> you're certainly well within your rights to not give a shit about his
>>> passing, but to dismiss the public and media reaction to his untimely
>>> death as "out of proportion" is not only inconsiderate but
>>> demonstrates absolute ignorance about just how popular he was.
>>
>> I have no idea what the public reaction has been, it's the media that
>> have gone overboard, a lot of people on the east coast have more
>> immediate things to worry about.
>>
>>> It's up to you, but in being critical of the response to his death
>>> all you're managing to achieve is to make yourself out to be the
>>> miserably insensitive prick.
>>
>> Whatever, but I don't think that I'm Robinson Crusoe in my view.
>
> I understand what you are saying and I've said much the same when some
> "celebrity" has passed away and the press has IMHO gone overboard but as
> I said above their contribution does have value.
> I suspect that in Warne's case the press going over the top was as much
> to do with the sudden and unexpected nature of his death than anything
> else, if he had been in his 80's and he died after a long illness the
> coverage would have been more subdued.

I'm pretty sure that his lifestyle killed him.

On 6/03/2022 5:54 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 5/3/2022 8:58 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 5/03/2022 7:34 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>> On 5/03/2022 8:33 am, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> 2022 is starting off *real* well....
>>>
>>> Well, for me, it's not so bad. I just had my tree puller delivered:
>>> "The Jaws of Death" :-) https://imgur.com/a/OYZX1Ya So Labour Day
>>> weekend for me is looking pretty good. What I cant slash, I'll simply
>>> pull out and burn. We're already planning some mods.. a 20l drum of
>>> diesel thats sprays the manuka as it comes out of the ground, and an
>>> igniter once it's out of the ground.. :-)
>>
>> Looks awesome :)
>>
>>> Just booked my 3rd cruise to the Islands, and this time, we're in a/the
>>> penthouse suite :-) Missus doesnt know yet, so that should produce a
>>> smile, provided we're allowed to go....
>>
>> Fingers crossed. I think life is slowly returning to normal, and short
>> of there being another Covid variant that is significantly worse than
>> Omicron I can't see us going backwards to any significant degree.
>
> Yep, this time next week we will be in Brisbane, first time we have been
> out of Vic since before Covid.

If you'll be in our area between Bris and the Sunshine Coast come and
say hello.

On 6/03/2022 6:50 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 6/03/2022 2:45 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> You might think Warne was a Bogun who is undeserving of the amount of
>> attention he's currently getting, but he was named by Wisden's
>> Almanack as one of the top 5 players of the game in the last 100
>> years, and he was the only bowler to make the list.
>
> Obviously famous within that rather small circle.

On the contrary. He was one of those sports people who's celebrity
status rose above the field of his chosen sport. My Mother is in her
80's and has never watched a game of cricket in her life, but when I
spoke to her on the phone today she said "Did you see Shane Warne died?"

>>> As I originally said he was very good in a very restricted field
>>
>> Yeah, so was Ayerton Senna. Do you remember the world's reaction when
>> he died?
>
> There were no 20 page supplements for him and worldwide he was far
> better known than Warne.

Yeah, I'm not so sure about that. I'd happily wager that the Brazilian
media went far crazier about his death than ours has about Warne's. As
for which one was more "well known" it's impossible to say. Both were
very well known around the world.

>>> I'm certainly not a cricket fan despite being from a Yorkshire
>>> family, the thing is that a lot of others equally good at what they
>>> did, whether in sport or something actually useful have received far
>>> less adulation at their death.
>>
>> And who did you have in mind there?
>
> Just as an instance, a guy died up here in Queensland recently. He died
> rescuing somebody from the surf, he was also a highly regarded research
> doctor working on cures for diseases, not only did he die in a selfless
> act but his death leaves a hole in a worthwhile endeavor. It made about
> 20 secinds on the TV news and about 8 column inches in the paper.

Well that is a tragedy, but I would suggest that he wasn't *famous*, and
that's the difference. Both the media and the public react to the death
of famous people in a far different way than they do to ordinary plebs,
no matter how great a mark they've left on society.

>> I read in the Herald-Sun this morning that the New York Times did a
>> story on Warne yesterday, and they had to explain what a "bowler" was
>> to their readers as most Americans would have no idea.
>
> And I don't suppose that they will care anyway.

Probably not, but the point is that Warne's death was a big enough story
that one of the world's leading newspapers ran a piece about a man from
the other side of the world who was one of the best players of a game is
so unknown to the general populace that it had to be explained to them
in a way that they could understand by relating Warne to a similar
position of a Baseball pitcher.

Kind of how Time Magazine did a story about Don Bradman after he passed
away where they stated that from a statistical perspective he was the
greatest sports person who ever lived with no one else ever having
dominated their game to the degree that he did. I can't remember the
exact analogy they used now to make it relatable to an American
audience, but they likened Bradman's record to Shaquille O'neal having
scored 50 goals in every match he ever played in his career for him to
have come close.

>> You may not be, but that doesn't alter the fact that you seem to be
>> completely ignorant of the man's popularity, and dismissing the
>> reaction to his death as being unworthy for someone who's talent was
>> "to chuck a ball 22 yards" is ridiculous.
>
> That's exactly what he did, he did it very well, but it's quite a
> limited talent really.

It's no more or less "limited" that anyone who is famous for any other
endeavour.

> Reaction of people is one thing, it's the reactio of the media that I
> was commenting on. Rod Marsh's family must be feeling that he wasn't
> anywhere near as important.

The timing of the deaths of these two is extremely unfortunate, and as
brilliant a Keeper as Rod Marsh was he wasn't the dominating game
changer that Warne was.

If David Lee Roth died tomorrow and Mick Jagger died two days later,
which one do you think is going to dominate the headlines?

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Noddy.