On Monday, 7 March 2022 at 19:35:58 UTC+11, Xeno wrote:
> On 7/3/2022 7:00 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
> >>>
> >>> in my 30 years of usnet
> >>
> >> You've been using "usnet" for 30 years? Really?
> >
> >
> > maybe not quite, but more than 20 years
> >
> >
> >> Who was the news server?
> >
> >
> > I know but I'm not telling you
> >
> My first incursion into usenet was *at least* 30 years ago. The first
> newsgroup I subscribed to was inaugurated in April 1991 and I was
> subscribed to it in short order - within the first 6 months IIRC. I was
> still a subscriber on that email/news server right up until the owner
> passed away in November 2020. I hadn't logged into the news server for
> quite some years but I had a few email addresses on the host server
> there. Was discussing those with the host owner in July 2020 whereupon
> he asked me if I still wanted them. I'd forgotten about them since I
> thought they would have become defunct ages earlier - apparently not so
> I said Ok. Well, they are defunct now anyway, little did I know he'd be
> gone at 58 a mere few months later. I used the Unix "Elm" email and
> usenet line editor as my portal moving onto "Pine" in 1992. Heady days
> and long before graphical user interfaces! Even had my own *2nd
> phoneline* directly connected to the server at Cheltenham. These were
> the dreaded dialup days.
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NOBODY cares, you jumped up, big noting cunt...
(BTW, I`d bet it was little boys)

> --
> Xeno
>
>
> Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
> (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 7/03/2022 7:03 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 7/3/2022 2:45 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 7/03/2022 8:37 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 6/3/2022 8:37 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 6/03/2022 5:54 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 5/3/2022 8:58 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/03/2022 7:34 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/03/2022 8:33 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2022 is starting off *real* well....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, for me, it's not so bad. I just had my tree puller
>>>>>>> delivered: "The Jaws of Death" :-) https://imgur.com/a/OYZX1Ya So
>>>>>>> Labour Day weekend for me is looking pretty good. What I cant
>>>>>>> slash, I'll simply pull out and burn. We're already planning some
>>>>>>> mods.. a 20l drum of diesel thats sprays the manuka as it comes
>>>>>>> out of the ground, and an igniter once it's out of the ground.. :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks awesome :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just booked my 3rd cruise to the Islands, and this time, we're in
>>>>>>> a/the
>>>>>>> penthouse suite :-) Missus doesnt know yet, so that should
>>>>>>> produce a smile, provided we're allowed to go....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fingers crossed. I think life is slowly returning to normal, and
>>>>>> short of there being another Covid variant that is significantly
>>>>>> worse than Omicron I can't see us going backwards to any
>>>>>> significant degree.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yep, this time next week we will be in Brisbane, first time we have
>>>>> been out of Vic since before Covid.
>>>>
>>>> If you'll be in our area between Bris and the Sunshine Coast come
>>>> and say hello.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I will be staying in Ningi so AFAIK that is somewhere near you?
>>> What was the name of the museum and what times are you there?
>>> I am looking forward to a museum tour:-)
>>>
>> I've sent you an e-mail hopefully the address in your headers is valid.
>
> Yep, got it and just replied.

I'm afraid that you are going to find Queensland at its worst, it is 33
degrees on my patio and 88% humidity.

On 8/03/2022 11:38 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 8/3/22 11:56, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 8/03/2022 10:30 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 7/3/22 20:44, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> On 7/03/2022 7:02 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>>> On 7/03/2022 7:35 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 7:00 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> in my 30 years of usnet
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You've been using "usnet" for 30 years? Really?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> maybe not quite, but more than 20 years
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who was the news server?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know but I'm not telling you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My first incursion into usenet was *at least* 30 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Hello, Felix. No-one asked for your fantasy, Tomas, 3 years ago
>>>>> you were still wondering about naked copper in naturestrips, and
>>>>> ISP "rules", both you failed, remember?, shit fer-brains?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The first
>>>>>> newsgroup I subscribed to was inaugurated in April 1991 and I was
>>>>>> subscribed to it in short order - within the first 6 months IIRC.
>>>>>> I was still a subscriber on that email/news server right up until
>>>>>> the owner passed away in November 2020.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this news server have a name? I was asking Felix, not your
>>>>> imaginary self. Neither seem to be forthcoming.....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I hadn't logged into the news server for
>>>>>> quite some years but I had a few email addresses on the host
>>>>>> server there. Was discussing those with the host owner in July
>>>>>> 2020 whereupon he asked me if I still wanted them. I'd forgotten
>>>>>> about them since I thought they would have become defunct ages
>>>>>> earlier - apparently not so I said Ok. Well, they are defunct now
>>>>>> anyway, little did I know he'd be gone at 58 a mere few months
>>>>>> later. I used the Unix "Elm" email and usenet line editor as my
>>>>>> portal moving onto "Pine" in 1992. Heady days and long before
>>>>>> graphical user interfaces! Even had my own *2nd phoneline*
>>>>>> directly connected to the server at Cheltenham. These were the
>>>>>> dreaded dialup days.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what server his second phoneline was directly connected
>>>> to??? My bullshit meter just went off the scale.
>>>>
>>>> Usenet servers were available on university servers in the mid 80's
>>>> when I was studying my BSc. Mostly used by people to download
>>>> binaries of games and porn.
>>>
>>> That's the degree you couldn't complete, right? Too hard? Likely you
>>> spent too much time downloading porn since you seem to know all about
>>> that aspect of usenet. FWIW, the Metva news server didn't support
>>> binaries and there were very good reasons for that, bandwidth
>>> limitations being prime among them. A 28k dialup uplink from the
>>> server to the internet plus a download cap being the main causes of
>>> concern.
>>>
>>> The person, and the webserver, whose existence you are denying
>>> actually did complete a BSc at Melb Uni. Here is a link to his
>>> LinkedIn page;
>>>
>>> https://au.linkedin.com/in/enno-davids-74700322
>>>
>>> Please observe the link to his *personal website*. The website itself
>>> is no longer extant but the link itself serves to prove it did once
>>> exist.
>>>
>>> This is why the website is no longer extant;
>>>
>>> https://www.mytributes.com.au/notice/death-notices/enno-detlef-davids/5591993/
>>>
>>>
>>> You cannot turn Darren's lies into the truth by attempting to
>>> *discredit* what *I* say. You just make yourself look more of a dick.
>>>
>> I'm not trying to say anything about Darren here, what I am saying is
>> that you are bullshitting. No one is going to set up a dedicated line
>> just for you to have access to their system. The cost of the modem
>> back then was not insignificant, the cost of the line rental was also
>> quite high amongst other things.
>
> Ah, you just do not know. For one, *I* paid the cost of the dedicated
> line. You know how much that was? Just the same cost as a second line
> into my house. It was *my* business line (that's what they called a
> second line) and the only difference was it was in *Cheltenham*, not
> Nunawading. The owner of the property at Cheltenham, my friend, had
> peviously had Telstra install a *10 pair line* into his house when they
> were adding *his* business lines. I simply used one of his *spare*
> lines. I wasn't the only person to use his spare lines, Neil M and Steve
> P also used spare lines and had accounts at Metva. Steve even hosted his
> business web page on the Metva server. It was called Netway xxxx but, if
> I recall correctly, there was a similarly named company in WA and people
> often
>>
>> I ran a bbs and I know what the costs were. EG my Netcomm modems were
>
> Whoopee Doo Dah!
>
>> $750 each at sysop price, they were $1100 to the public.
>
> I call bullshit on that. Mine wasn't cheap but it was nowhere near
> $1100, not even when combined with the price of the one I also used at
> home. FWIW, the modem I used was just a standard US Robotics looking
> something like this;
>
> http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/44296/US-Robotics-Sportster-Voice-28-8-Faxmodem/
>
>
> The only difference, it was 36k, not 28.8. The modem from the server was
> a 28.8k so it made no difference what speed my modem had, downlink was
> limited to the slowest modem in the chain. FWIW, even though I had a 36k
> modem connected to the server, I used to dial in initially with a
> 1200/75 modem that I had for dialling in to the college server. This was
> the case until I bought a second US Robotics modem for use at home, this
> one being 56k by then. They were *home grade* modems, not commercial units.
>
>> Line rental per line was in the vicinity of $40 per month.
>
> Not if it was a 2nd phone line into a *home* - and Telstra didn't give a
> rats whose home it was in either. I don't recall what the actual cost
> was but it was very cheap. You were allowed one (1) additional line at
> home for minimal extra cost on a home phone account. I suspect it was
> what SOHO businesses used as a *fax line*.
>

Yes, it was pretty cheap actually.

> I used this system until ~1997 when I moved to broadband. From then on I
> used to telnet into the Metva server through the internet. I was with
> Optus Broadband by then and they had their own usenet servers and I used
> them most of the time, only using the news.metva.com.au account very
> occasionally from then on.
>

I accessed usenet through a BBS until I signed up with my first internet
provider.

>>
>> You are embellishing something that may have had some truth and making
>> it much bigger than it was.
>
> There is no need to embellish *my* truth, it stands alone. Clocky can
> even verify some of it as he has access to hard evidence. You know what
> *hard evidence* is Grumpy? I'll give you a hint, it's evidence the likes
> of which you will never and can never see related to Darren's grandiose
> *claims* of apprenticeships, trade qualifications and business ownership.
>

For the record, I can confirm that you had an account with that provider
going back 27 years.

My provider back in the day provided dedicated lines for far less than
what Grumpy claims so I'm not sure why he was so expensive.

--
keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

On 8/03/2022 3:05 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 8/3/22 13:02, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 8/03/2022 11:48 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 8/03/2022 11:56 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> On 8/03/2022 10:30 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You cannot turn Darren's lies into the truth by attempting to
>>>>> *discredit* what *I* say. You just make yourself look more of a dick.
>>>>>
>>>> I'm not trying to say anything about Darren here, what I am saying
>>>> is that you are bullshitting.
>>>
>>> What am I supposed to be lying about this week?
>>>
>>>
>> Who knows. What I do know is that xeno cannot post on any topic
>> without making reference to you.
>>
>> I was pointing out his ridiculous claim that his "mate" who ran a
>> news server had a dedicated line for him to connect to. The line
>> rental alone would have run to hundreds per year. It's his usual
>> embellishment on any story to make himself look good. He's a bit
>> insecure...
>
> Please do not confuse me with Darren for it is he who is insecure.
> After all, he *embellished* a TA role at airport services into a full
> AME apprenticeship and then embellished it further into a couple more
> apprenticeships, trade qualifications and 15 years of running a
> business. All bogus of course but a really severe case of insecurity
> of a magnitude never before seen on usenet. That's seriously insecure,
> Darren needs professional help!
>

but of course grubby ignores all that

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"He came, he saw, he got pummelled" - Alvey on Keefy
"What a pair! Not a single word of rebuttal or reason,
just cretinous abuse" - Alvey on jonz and noddy
"His self serving ego pumping comments just read
like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy
"your opinion isn't worth 2 knobs of goat shit"- Xeno on Grubby Tech
"You cannot turn Darren's lies into the truth by attempting to *discredit*
what *I* say. You just make yourself look more of a dick"- Xeno to Grubby Tech

On 8/03/2022 2:38 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 8/3/22 12:48, Noddy wrote:
>> On 8/03/2022 11:56 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 8/03/2022 10:30 am, Xeno wrote:
>>
>>>> You cannot turn Darren's lies into the truth by attempting to
>>>> *discredit* what *I* say. You just make yourself look more of a dick.
>>>>
>>> I'm not trying to say anything about Darren here, what I am saying
>>> is that you are bullshitting.
>>
>> What am I supposed to be lying about this week?
>>
>>
> Anything and everything!
>

:)

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam

FUCK PUTIN!!

"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"He came, he saw, he got pummelled" - Alvey on Keefy
"What a pair! Not a single word of rebuttal or reason,
just cretinous abuse" - Alvey on jonz and noddy
"His self serving ego pumping comments just read
like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy
"your opinion isn't worth 2 knobs of goat shit"- Xeno on Grubby Tech
"You cannot turn Darren's lies into the truth by attempting to *discredit*
what *I* say. You just make yourself look more of a dick"- Xeno to Grubby Tech

On 8/3/22 18:33, Clocky wrote:
> On 8/03/2022 11:38 am, Xeno wrote:
>> On 8/3/22 11:56, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 8/03/2022 10:30 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 7/3/22 20:44, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>> On 7/03/2022 7:02 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/03/2022 7:35 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 7:00 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in my 30 years of usnet
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You've been using "usnet" for 30 years? Really?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> maybe not quite, but more than 20 years
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who was the news server?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know but I'm not telling you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My first incursion into usenet was *at least* 30 years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Hello, Felix. No-one asked for your fantasy, Tomas, 3 years ago
>>>>>> you were still wondering about naked copper in naturestrips, and
>>>>>> ISP "rules", both you failed, remember?, shit fer-brains?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first
>>>>>>> newsgroup I subscribed to was inaugurated in April 1991 and I was
>>>>>>> subscribed to it in short order - within the first 6 months IIRC.
>>>>>>> I was still a subscriber on that email/news server right up until
>>>>>>> the owner passed away in November 2020.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does this news server have a name? I was asking Felix, not your
>>>>>> imaginary self. Neither seem to be forthcoming.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hadn't logged into the news server for
>>>>>>> quite some years but I had a few email addresses on the host
>>>>>>> server there. Was discussing those with the host owner in July
>>>>>>> 2020 whereupon he asked me if I still wanted them. I'd forgotten
>>>>>>> about them since I thought they would have become defunct ages
>>>>>>> earlier - apparently not so I said Ok. Well, they are defunct now
>>>>>>> anyway, little did I know he'd be gone at 58 a mere few months
>>>>>>> later. I used the Unix "Elm" email and usenet line editor as my
>>>>>>> portal moving onto "Pine" in 1992. Heady days and long before
>>>>>>> graphical user interfaces! Even had my own *2nd phoneline*
>>>>>>> directly connected to the server at Cheltenham. These were the
>>>>>>> dreaded dialup days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder what server his second phoneline was directly connected
>>>>> to??? My bullshit meter just went off the scale.
>>>>>
>>>>> Usenet servers were available on university servers in the mid 80's
>>>>> when I was studying my BSc. Mostly used by people to download
>>>>> binaries of games and porn.
>>>>
>>>> That's the degree you couldn't complete, right? Too hard? Likely you
>>>> spent too much time downloading porn since you seem to know all
>>>> about that aspect of usenet. FWIW, the Metva news server didn't
>>>> support binaries and there were very good reasons for that,
>>>> bandwidth limitations being prime among them. A 28k dialup uplink
>>>> from the server to the internet plus a download cap being the main
>>>> causes of concern.
>>>>
>>>> The person, and the webserver, whose existence you are denying
>>>> actually did complete a BSc at Melb Uni. Here is a link to his
>>>> LinkedIn page;
>>>>
>>>> https://au.linkedin.com/in/enno-davids-74700322
>>>>
>>>> Please observe the link to his *personal website*. The website
>>>> itself is no longer extant but the link itself serves to prove it
>>>> did once exist.
>>>>
>>>> This is why the website is no longer extant;
>>>>
>>>> https://www.mytributes.com.au/notice/death-notices/enno-detlef-davids/5591993/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You cannot turn Darren's lies into the truth by attempting to
>>>> *discredit* what *I* say. You just make yourself look more of a dick.
>>>>
>>> I'm not trying to say anything about Darren here, what I am saying is
>>> that you are bullshitting. No one is going to set up a dedicated line
>>> just for you to have access to their system. The cost of the modem
>>> back then was not insignificant, the cost of the line rental was also
>>> quite high amongst other things.
>>
>> Ah, you just do not know. For one, *I* paid the cost of the dedicated
>> line. You know how much that was? Just the same cost as a second line
>> into my house. It was *my* business line (that's what they called a
>> second line) and the only difference was it was in *Cheltenham*, not
>> Nunawading. The owner of the property at Cheltenham, my friend, had
>> peviously had Telstra install a *10 pair line* into his house when
>> they were adding *his* business lines. I simply used one of his
>> *spare* lines. I wasn't the only person to use his spare lines, Neil M
>> and Steve P also used spare lines and had accounts at Metva. Steve
>> even hosted his business web page on the Metva server. It was called
>> Netway xxxx but, if I recall correctly, there was a similarly named
>> company in WA and people often
>>>
>>> I ran a bbs and I know what the costs were. EG my Netcomm modems were
>>
>> Whoopee Doo Dah!
>>
>>> $750 each at sysop price, they were $1100 to the public.
>>
>> I call bullshit on that. Mine wasn't cheap but it was nowhere near
>> $1100, not even when combined with the price of the one I also used at
>> home. FWIW, the modem I used was just a standard US Robotics looking
>> something like this;
>>
>> http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/44296/US-Robotics-Sportster-Voice-28-8-Faxmodem/
>>
>>
>> The only difference, it was 36k, not 28.8. The modem from the server
>> was a 28.8k so it made no difference what speed my modem had, downlink
>> was limited to the slowest modem in the chain. FWIW, even though I had
>> a 36k modem connected to the server, I used to dial in initially with
>> a 1200/75 modem that I had for dialling in to the college server. This
>> was the case until I bought a second US Robotics modem for use at
>> home, this one being 56k by then. They were *home grade* modems, not
>> commercial units.

Just realised Grubby was thinking I was using the US Robotics *Courier*
professional grade modem. Nup, just the home grade *Sportster*. Don't
know what grade of modem was attached to the uplink of the Metva server.
>>
>>> Line rental per line was in the vicinity of $40 per month.
>>
>> Not if it was a 2nd phone line into a *home* - and Telstra didn't give
>> a rats whose home it was in either. I don't recall what the actual
>> cost was but it was very cheap. You were allowed one (1) additional
>> line at home for minimal extra cost on a home phone account. I suspect
>> it was what SOHO businesses used as a *fax line*.
>>
>
> Yes, it was pretty cheap actually.

I can't recall it being expensive. Certainly it was cheaper than
registering with a commercial ISP.
>
>> I used this system until ~1997 when I moved to broadband. From then on
>> I used to telnet into the Metva server through the internet. I was
>> with Optus Broadband by then and they had their own usenet servers and
>> I used them most of the time, only using the news.metva.com.au account
>> very occasionally from then on.
>>
>
> I accessed usenet through a BBS until I signed up with my first internet
> provider.

Yeah, did that too. Did you have a Fidonet email address? One of my
friends was a Fidonet Relay. He worked at the Telstra office in William
Street and his desktop was set to relay all Fidonet stuff from BBS to
BBS of an evening when unattended. Telstra office phones were unmetered
in those days and, importantly, phone usage not recorded.Wonder if
Fidonet still exists in any form? A quick lookup and I see that it does
indeed still exist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FidoNet#Resurgence
Given we are in the era of the internet, I suspect that the resurgent
Fidonet will be very different. After all, it was originally built
around dialup.

On Tuesday, 8 March 2022 at 18:09:59 UTC+11, keithr0 wrote:
> On 7/03/2022 7:03 pm, Daryl wrote:
> > On 7/3/2022 2:45 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> >> On 7/03/2022 8:37 am, Daryl wrote:
> >>> On 6/3/2022 8:37 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> >>>> On 6/03/2022 5:54 pm, Daryl wrote:
> >>>>> On 5/3/2022 8:58 pm, Noddy wrote:
> >>>>>> On 5/03/2022 7:34 pm, lindsay wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 5/03/2022 8:33 am, Noddy wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 2022 is starting off *real* well....
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well, for me, it's not so bad. I just had my tree puller
> >>>>>>> delivered: "The Jaws of Death" :-) https://imgur.com/a/OYZX1Ya So
> >>>>>>> Labour Day weekend for me is looking pretty good. What I cant
> >>>>>>> slash, I'll simply pull out and burn. We're already planning some
> >>>>>>> mods.. a 20l drum of diesel thats sprays the manuka as it comes
> >>>>>>> out of the ground, and an igniter once it's out of the ground.. :-)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Looks awesome :)
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Just booked my 3rd cruise to the Islands, and this time, we're in
> >>>>>>> a/the
> >>>>>>> penthouse suite :-) Missus doesnt know yet, so that should
> >>>>>>> produce a smile, provided we're allowed to go....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Fingers crossed. I think life is slowly returning to normal, and
> >>>>>> short of there being another Covid variant that is significantly
> >>>>>> worse than Omicron I can't see us going backwards to any
> >>>>>> significant degree.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yep, this time next week we will be in Brisbane, first time we have
> >>>>> been out of Vic since before Covid.
> >>>>
> >>>> If you'll be in our area between Bris and the Sunshine Coast come
> >>>> and say hello.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I will be staying in Ningi so AFAIK that is somewhere near you?
> >>> What was the name of the museum and what times are you there?
> >>> I am looking forward to a museum tour:-)
> >>>
> >> I've sent you an e-mail hopefully the address in your headers is valid.
> >
> > Yep, got it and just replied.
>
> I'm afraid that you are going to find Queensland at its worst, it is 33
> degrees on my patio and 88% humidity.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
One of my brothers is in Cairns at the mo.. He`s doing it *real* hard, only been over from NZ about 6mths. He`ll have to harden up.. :)))

On 8/03/2022 6:59 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, 8 March 2022 at 18:09:59 UTC+11, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 7/03/2022 7:03 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 7/3/2022 2:45 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 7/03/2022 8:37 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 6/3/2022 8:37 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/03/2022 5:54 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/3/2022 8:58 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/03/2022 7:34 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 5/03/2022 8:33 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 2022 is starting off *real* well....
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, for me, it's not so bad. I just had my tree puller
>>>>>>>>> delivered: "The Jaws of Death" :-) https://imgur.com/a/OYZX1Ya So
>>>>>>>>> Labour Day weekend for me is looking pretty good. What I cant
>>>>>>>>> slash, I'll simply pull out and burn. We're already planning some
>>>>>>>>> mods.. a 20l drum of diesel thats sprays the manuka as it comes
>>>>>>>>> out of the ground, and an igniter once it's out of the ground.. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looks awesome :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just booked my 3rd cruise to the Islands, and this time, we're in
>>>>>>>>> a/the
>>>>>>>>> penthouse suite :-) Missus doesnt know yet, so that should
>>>>>>>>> produce a smile, provided we're allowed to go....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fingers crossed. I think life is slowly returning to normal, and
>>>>>>>> short of there being another Covid variant that is significantly
>>>>>>>> worse than Omicron I can't see us going backwards to any
>>>>>>>> significant degree.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yep, this time next week we will be in Brisbane, first time we have
>>>>>>> been out of Vic since before Covid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you'll be in our area between Bris and the Sunshine Coast come
>>>>>> and say hello.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I will be staying in Ningi so AFAIK that is somewhere near you?
>>>>> What was the name of the museum and what times are you there?
>>>>> I am looking forward to a museum tour:-)
>>>>>
>>>> I've sent you an e-mail hopefully the address in your headers is valid.
>>>
>>> Yep, got it and just replied.
>>
>> I'm afraid that you are going to find Queensland at its worst, it is 33
>> degrees on my patio and 88% humidity.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> One of my brothers is in Cairns at the mo.. He`s doing it *real* hard, only been over from NZ about 6mths. He`ll have to harden up.. :)))

You just don't go to Cairns at this time of year, he's lucky that they
haven't had a cyclone. Winter there though is very nice.

On 8/3/2022 6:09 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 7/03/2022 7:03 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 7/3/2022 2:45 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 7/03/2022 8:37 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 6/3/2022 8:37 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 6/03/2022 5:54 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/3/2022 8:58 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> On 5/03/2022 7:34 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/03/2022 8:33 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 2022 is starting off *real* well....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, for me, it's not so bad. I just had my tree puller
>>>>>>>> delivered: "The Jaws of Death" :-) https://imgur.com/a/OYZX1Ya
>>>>>>>> So Labour Day weekend for me is looking pretty good. What I cant
>>>>>>>> slash, I'll simply pull out and burn. We're already planning
>>>>>>>> some mods.. a 20l drum of diesel thats sprays the manuka as it
>>>>>>>> comes out of the ground, and an igniter once it's out of the
>>>>>>>> ground.. :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looks awesome :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just booked my 3rd cruise to the Islands, and this time, we're
>>>>>>>> in a/the
>>>>>>>> penthouse suite :-) Missus doesnt know yet, so that should
>>>>>>>> produce a smile, provided we're allowed to go....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fingers crossed. I think life is slowly returning to normal, and
>>>>>>> short of there being another Covid variant that is significantly
>>>>>>> worse than Omicron I can't see us going backwards to any
>>>>>>> significant degree.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yep, this time next week we will be in Brisbane, first time we
>>>>>> have been out of Vic since before Covid.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you'll be in our area between Bris and the Sunshine Coast come
>>>>> and say hello.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I will be staying in Ningi so AFAIK that is somewhere near you?
>>>> What was the name of the museum and what times are you there?
>>>> I am looking forward to a museum tour:-)
>>>>
>>> I've sent you an e-mail hopefully the address in your headers is valid.
>>
>> Yep, got it and just replied.
>
> I'm afraid that you are going to find Queensland at its worst, it is 33
> degrees on my patio and 88% humidity.
>

I sort of expected the weather to be that way especially after all the rain.
We usually prefer to travel to Qld in winter but its been so long since
we have been out of Vic we jumped the gun:-)

--
Daryl

On 8/3/2022 7:59 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:

>>>> I've sent you an e-mail hopefully the address in your headers is valid.
>>>
>>> Yep, got it and just replied.
>>
>> I'm afraid that you are going to find Queensland at its worst, it is 33
>> degrees on my patio and 88% humidity.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> One of my brothers is in Cairns at the mo.. He`s doing it *real* hard, only been over from NZ about 6mths. He`ll have to harden up.. :)))

Opposite for my brother who has spent many years in Qld mostly
Townsville, he's been posted to Melbourne and is finding it too cold.

--
Daryl

On 8/03/2022 4:55 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Monday, 7 March 2022 at 19:35:58 UTC+11, Xeno wrote:

>> My first incursion into usenet was *at least* 30 years ago.

<inferiority complex bullshit flushed>

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> NOBODY cares, you jumped up, big noting cunt...
> (BTW, I`d bet it was little boys)

Do you think? I don't know, that's why I asked.

The reason *why* I asked is that the contemptible piece of shit made the
statement that Warne died of a heart attack "after a tryst with an
LBFMPBFR", and later tried to justify that disgusting statement by
claiming that the area was known for it which is why men went there, and
Warne's very presence in the area when he could have been anywhere else
in the world confirmed it.

Sound bizarre? It gets worse.

He *also* stated that he knew the area well, had been there many times
and was aware of the goings on it was famous for, which leads me to
wonder why the accusations he applied to Warne do not apply to himself
just as equally.

Maybe he enjoyed the odd "tryst with an LBFMPBFR" himself. I mean,
according to him why else would he have been there?

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 8/03/2022 2:38 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 8/3/22 11:56, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 8/03/2022 10:30 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 7/3/22 20:44, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> On 7/03/2022 7:02 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>>> On 7/03/2022 7:35 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 7:00 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> in my 30 years of usnet
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You've been using "usnet" for 30 years? Really?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> maybe not quite, but more than 20 years
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who was the news server?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know but I'm not telling you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My first incursion into usenet was *at least* 30 years ago.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Hello, Felix. No-one asked for your fantasy, Tomas, 3 years ago
>>>>> you were still wondering about naked copper in naturestrips, and
>>>>> ISP "rules", both you failed, remember?, shit fer-brains?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The first
>>>>>> newsgroup I subscribed to was inaugurated in April 1991 and I was
>>>>>> subscribed to it in short order - within the first 6 months IIRC.
>>>>>> I was still a subscriber on that email/news server right up until
>>>>>> the owner passed away in November 2020.
>>>>>
>>>>> Does this news server have a name? I was asking Felix, not your
>>>>> imaginary self. Neither seem to be forthcoming.....
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I hadn't logged into the news server for
>>>>>> quite some years but I had a few email addresses on the host
>>>>>> server there. Was discussing those with the host owner in July
>>>>>> 2020 whereupon he asked me if I still wanted them. I'd forgotten
>>>>>> about them since I thought they would have become defunct ages
>>>>>> earlier - apparently not so I said Ok. Well, they are defunct now
>>>>>> anyway, little did I know he'd be gone at 58 a mere few months
>>>>>> later. I used the Unix "Elm" email and usenet line editor as my
>>>>>> portal moving onto "Pine" in 1992. Heady days and long before
>>>>>> graphical user interfaces! Even had my own *2nd phoneline*
>>>>>> directly connected to the server at Cheltenham. These were the
>>>>>> dreaded dialup days.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what server his second phoneline was directly connected
>>>> to??? My bullshit meter just went off the scale.
>>>>
>>>> Usenet servers were available on university servers in the mid 80's
>>>> when I was studying my BSc. Mostly used by people to download
>>>> binaries of games and porn.
>>>
>>> That's the degree you couldn't complete, right? Too hard? Likely you
>>> spent too much time downloading porn since you seem to know all
>>> about that aspect of usenet. FWIW, the Metva news server didn't
>>> support binaries and there were very good reasons for that,
>>> bandwidth limitations being prime among them. A 28k dialup uplink
>>> from the server to the internet plus a download cap being the main
>>> causes of concern.
>>>
>>> The person, and the webserver, whose existence you are denying
>>> actually did complete a BSc at Melb Uni. Here is a link to his
>>> LinkedIn page;
>>>
>>> https://au.linkedin.com/in/enno-davids-74700322
>>>
>>> Please observe the link to his *personal website*. The website
>>> itself is no longer extant but the link itself serves to prove it
>>> did once exist.
>>>
>>> This is why the website is no longer extant;
>>>
>>> https://www.mytributes.com.au/notice/death-notices/enno-detlef-davids/5591993/
>>>
>>>
>>> You cannot turn Darren's lies into the truth by attempting to
>>> *discredit* what *I* say. You just make yourself look more of a dick.
>>>
>> I'm not trying to say anything about Darren here, what I am saying is
>> that you are bullshitting. No one is going to set up a dedicated line
>> just for you to have access to their system. The cost of the modem
>> back then was not insignificant, the cost of the line rental was also
>> quite high amongst other things.
>
> Ah, you just do not know. For one, *I* paid the cost of the dedicated
> line. You know how much that was? Just the same cost as a second line
> into my house. It was *my* business line (that's what they called a
> second line) and the only difference was it was in *Cheltenham*, not
> Nunawading. The owner of the property at Cheltenham, my friend, had
> peviously had Telstra install a *10 pair line* into his house when
> they were adding *his* business lines. I simply used one of his
> *spare* lines. I wasn't the only person to use his spare lines, Neil M
> and Steve P also used spare lines and had accounts at Metva. Steve
> even hosted his business web page on the Metva server. It was called
> Netway xxxx but, if I recall correctly, there was a similarly named
> company in WA and people often
>>
>> I ran a bbs and I know what the costs were. EG my Netcomm modems were
>
> Whoopee Doo Dah!
>
>> $750 each at sysop price, they were $1100 to the public.
>
> I call bullshit on that. Mine wasn't cheap but it was nowhere near
> $1100, not even when combined with the price of the one I also used at
> home. FWIW, the modem I used was just a standard US Robotics looking
> something like this;
>
> http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/44296/US-Robotics-Sportster-Voice-28-8-Faxmodem/
>
>
> The only difference, it was 36k, not 28.8. The modem from the server
> was a 28.8k so it made no difference what speed my modem had, downlink
> was limited to the slowest modem in the chain. FWIW, even though I had
> a 36k modem connected to the server, I used to dial in initially with
> a 1200/75 modem that I had for dialling in to the college server. This
> was the case until I bought a second US Robotics modem for use at
> home, this one being 56k by then. They were *home grade* modems, not
> commercial units.
>
>> Line rental per line was in the vicinity of $40 per month.
>
> Not if it was a 2nd phone line into a *home* - and Telstra didn't give
> a rats whose home it was in either. I don't recall what the actual
> cost was but it was very cheap. You were allowed one (1) additional
> line at home for minimal extra cost on a home phone account. I suspect
> it was what SOHO businesses used as a *fax line*.
>
> I used this system until ~1997 when I moved to broadband. From then on
> I used to telnet into the Metva server through the internet. I was
> with Optus Broadband by then and they had their own usenet servers and
> I used them most of the time, only using the news.metva.com.au account
> very occasionally from then on.
>
>>
>> You are embellishing something that may have had some truth and
>> making it much bigger than it was.
>
> There is no need to embellish *my* truth, it stands alone. Clocky can
> even verify some of it as he has access to hard evidence. You know
> what *hard evidence* is Grumpy? I'll give you a hint, it's evidence
> the likes of which you will never and can never see related to
> Darren's grandiose *claims* of apprenticeships, trade qualifications
> and business ownership.
>
> You want to attack someone for embellishing the truth, go see Darren.
> For instance, I have no doubt he did work with a company at the
> airport. He departed from the *truth* when he made the claim he was an
> AME apprentice. The reality, as I have stated, was that he was likely
> nothing more than a *trades assistant*, a TA as they were commonly
> known. That's because, by leaving Richmond Tech before completing even
> year 9, he wasn't in the race to *qualify* for an AME apprenticeship.
> They required year 10 passes at a *minimum* and, yes, you can check
> that up - I did. Darren has been *embellishing* that AME
> apprenticeship lie ever since. In fact, embellishing lies has become
> something of a *habit* for him.
>
>

On 9/3/22 10:56, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 8/03/2022 2:38 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 8/3/22 11:56, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 8/03/2022 10:30 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 7/3/22 20:44, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>> On 7/03/2022 7:02 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/03/2022 7:35 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 7:00 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in my 30 years of usnet
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You've been using "usnet" for 30 years? Really?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> maybe not quite, but more than 20 years
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who was the news server?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know but I'm not telling you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My first incursion into usenet was *at least* 30 years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Hello, Felix. No-one asked for your fantasy, Tomas, 3 years ago
>>>>>> you were still wondering about naked copper in naturestrips, and
>>>>>> ISP "rules", both you failed, remember?, shit fer-brains?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first
>>>>>>> newsgroup I subscribed to was inaugurated in April 1991 and I was
>>>>>>> subscribed to it in short order - within the first 6 months IIRC.
>>>>>>> I was still a subscriber on that email/news server right up until
>>>>>>> the owner passed away in November 2020.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does this news server have a name? I was asking Felix, not your
>>>>>> imaginary self. Neither seem to be forthcoming.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hadn't logged into the news server for
>>>>>>> quite some years but I had a few email addresses on the host
>>>>>>> server there. Was discussing those with the host owner in July
>>>>>>> 2020 whereupon he asked me if I still wanted them. I'd forgotten
>>>>>>> about them since I thought they would have become defunct ages
>>>>>>> earlier - apparently not so I said Ok. Well, they are defunct now
>>>>>>> anyway, little did I know he'd be gone at 58 a mere few months
>>>>>>> later. I used the Unix "Elm" email and usenet line editor as my
>>>>>>> portal moving onto "Pine" in 1992. Heady days and long before
>>>>>>> graphical user interfaces! Even had my own *2nd phoneline*
>>>>>>> directly connected to the server at Cheltenham. These were the
>>>>>>> dreaded dialup days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder what server his second phoneline was directly connected
>>>>> to??? My bullshit meter just went off the scale.
>>>>>
>>>>> Usenet servers were available on university servers in the mid 80's
>>>>> when I was studying my BSc. Mostly used by people to download
>>>>> binaries of games and porn.
>>>>
>>>> That's the degree you couldn't complete, right? Too hard? Likely you
>>>> spent too much time downloading porn since you seem to know all
>>>> about that aspect of usenet. FWIW, the Metva news server didn't
>>>> support binaries and there were very good reasons for that,
>>>> bandwidth limitations being prime among them. A 28k dialup uplink
>>>> from the server to the internet plus a download cap being the main
>>>> causes of concern.
>>>>
>>>> The person, and the webserver, whose existence you are denying
>>>> actually did complete a BSc at Melb Uni. Here is a link to his
>>>> LinkedIn page;
>>>>
>>>> https://au.linkedin.com/in/enno-davids-74700322
>>>>
>>>> Please observe the link to his *personal website*. The website
>>>> itself is no longer extant but the link itself serves to prove it
>>>> did once exist.
>>>>
>>>> This is why the website is no longer extant;
>>>>
>>>> https://www.mytributes.com.au/notice/death-notices/enno-detlef-davids/5591993/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You cannot turn Darren's lies into the truth by attempting to
>>>> *discredit* what *I* say. You just make yourself look more of a dick.
>>>>
>>> I'm not trying to say anything about Darren here, what I am saying is
>>> that you are bullshitting. No one is going to set up a dedicated line
>>> just for you to have access to their system. The cost of the modem
>>> back then was not insignificant, the cost of the line rental was also
>>> quite high amongst other things.
>>
>> Ah, you just do not know. For one, *I* paid the cost of the dedicated
>> line. You know how much that was? Just the same cost as a second line
>> into my house. It was *my* business line (that's what they called a
>> second line) and the only difference was it was in *Cheltenham*, not
>> Nunawading. The owner of the property at Cheltenham, my friend, had
>> peviously had Telstra install a *10 pair line* into his house when
>> they were adding *his* business lines. I simply used one of his
>> *spare* lines. I wasn't the only person to use his spare lines, Neil M
>> and Steve P also used spare lines and had accounts at Metva. Steve
>> even hosted his business web page on the Metva server. It was called
>> Netway xxxx but, if I recall correctly, there was a similarly named
>> company in WA and people often
>>>
>>> I ran a bbs and I know what the costs were. EG my Netcomm modems were
>>
>> Whoopee Doo Dah!
>>
>>> $750 each at sysop price, they were $1100 to the public.
>>
>> I call bullshit on that. Mine wasn't cheap but it was nowhere near
>> $1100, not even when combined with the price of the one I also used at
>> home. FWIW, the modem I used was just a standard US Robotics looking
>> something like this;
>>
>> http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/44296/US-Robotics-Sportster-Voice-28-8-Faxmodem/
>>
>>
>> The only difference, it was 36k, not 28.8. The modem from the server
>> was a 28.8k so it made no difference what speed my modem had, downlink
>> was limited to the slowest modem in the chain. FWIW, even though I had
>> a 36k modem connected to the server, I used to dial in initially with
>> a 1200/75 modem that I had for dialling in to the college server. This
>> was the case until I bought a second US Robotics modem for use at
>> home, this one being 56k by then. They were *home grade* modems, not
>> commercial units.
>>
>>> Line rental per line was in the vicinity of $40 per month.
>>
>> Not if it was a 2nd phone line into a *home* - and Telstra didn't give
>> a rats whose home it was in either. I don't recall what the actual
>> cost was but it was very cheap. You were allowed one (1) additional
>> line at home for minimal extra cost on a home phone account. I suspect
>> it was what SOHO businesses used as a *fax line*.
>>
>> I used this system until ~1997 when I moved to broadband. From then on
>> I used to telnet into the Metva server through the internet. I was
>> with Optus Broadband by then and they had their own usenet servers and
>> I used them most of the time, only using the news.metva.com.au account
>> very occasionally from then on.
>>
>>>
>>> You are embellishing something that may have had some truth and
>>> making it much bigger than it was.
>>
>> There is no need to embellish *my* truth, it stands alone. Clocky can
>> even verify some of it as he has access to hard evidence. You know
>> what *hard evidence* is Grumpy? I'll give you a hint, it's evidence
>> the likes of which you will never and can never see related to
>> Darren's grandiose *claims* of apprenticeships, trade qualifications
>> and business ownership.
>>
>> You want to attack someone for embellishing the truth, go see Darren.
>> For instance, I have no doubt he did work with a company at the
>> airport. He departed from the *truth* when he made the claim he was an
>> AME apprentice. The reality, as I have stated, was that he was likely
>> nothing more than a *trades assistant*, a TA as they were commonly
>> known. That's because, by leaving Richmond Tech before completing even
>> year 9, he wasn't in the race to *qualify* for an AME apprenticeship.
>> They required year 10 passes at a *minimum* and, yes, you can check
>> that up - I did. Darren has been *embellishing* that AME
>> apprenticeship lie ever since. In fact, embellishing lies has become
>> something of a *habit* for him.
>>
>>
>
> I still have the dial up modems I used back in the day . I am such a
> hoarder.  :(
>
I can't even recall what happened to mine. Presumably I gave them away.
Once I moved to broadband, they were redundant as far as I was concerned
so no hoarding of them at least.

On 9/03/2022 7:56 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 8/03/2022 2:38 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 8/3/22 11:56, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 8/03/2022 10:30 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 7/3/22 20:44, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>> On 7/03/2022 7:02 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/03/2022 7:35 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 7:00 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> in my 30 years of usnet
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You've been using "usnet" for 30 years? Really?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> maybe not quite, but more than 20 years
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who was the news server?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know but I'm not telling you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My first incursion into usenet was *at least* 30 years ago.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Hello, Felix. No-one asked for your fantasy, Tomas, 3 years ago
>>>>>> you were still wondering about naked copper in naturestrips, and
>>>>>> ISP "rules", both you failed, remember?, shit fer-brains?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The first
>>>>>>> newsgroup I subscribed to was inaugurated in April 1991 and I was
>>>>>>> subscribed to it in short order - within the first 6 months IIRC.
>>>>>>> I was still a subscriber on that email/news server right up until
>>>>>>> the owner passed away in November 2020.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Does this news server have a name? I was asking Felix, not your
>>>>>> imaginary self. Neither seem to be forthcoming.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hadn't logged into the news server for
>>>>>>> quite some years but I had a few email addresses on the host
>>>>>>> server there. Was discussing those with the host owner in July
>>>>>>> 2020 whereupon he asked me if I still wanted them. I'd forgotten
>>>>>>> about them since I thought they would have become defunct ages
>>>>>>> earlier - apparently not so I said Ok. Well, they are defunct now
>>>>>>> anyway, little did I know he'd be gone at 58 a mere few months
>>>>>>> later. I used the Unix "Elm" email and usenet line editor as my
>>>>>>> portal moving onto "Pine" in 1992. Heady days and long before
>>>>>>> graphical user interfaces! Even had my own *2nd phoneline*
>>>>>>> directly connected to the server at Cheltenham. These were the
>>>>>>> dreaded dialup days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder what server his second phoneline was directly connected
>>>>> to??? My bullshit meter just went off the scale.
>>>>>
>>>>> Usenet servers were available on university servers in the mid 80's
>>>>> when I was studying my BSc. Mostly used by people to download
>>>>> binaries of games and porn.
>>>>
>>>> That's the degree you couldn't complete, right? Too hard? Likely you
>>>> spent too much time downloading porn since you seem to know all
>>>> about that aspect of usenet. FWIW, the Metva news server didn't
>>>> support binaries and there were very good reasons for that,
>>>> bandwidth limitations being prime among them. A 28k dialup uplink
>>>> from the server to the internet plus a download cap being the main
>>>> causes of concern.
>>>>
>>>> The person, and the webserver, whose existence you are denying
>>>> actually did complete a BSc at Melb Uni. Here is a link to his
>>>> LinkedIn page;
>>>>
>>>> https://au.linkedin.com/in/enno-davids-74700322
>>>>
>>>> Please observe the link to his *personal website*. The website
>>>> itself is no longer extant but the link itself serves to prove it
>>>> did once exist.
>>>>
>>>> This is why the website is no longer extant;
>>>>
>>>> https://www.mytributes.com.au/notice/death-notices/enno-detlef-davids/5591993/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You cannot turn Darren's lies into the truth by attempting to
>>>> *discredit* what *I* say. You just make yourself look more of a dick.
>>>>
>>> I'm not trying to say anything about Darren here, what I am saying is
>>> that you are bullshitting. No one is going to set up a dedicated line
>>> just for you to have access to their system. The cost of the modem
>>> back then was not insignificant, the cost of the line rental was also
>>> quite high amongst other things.
>>
>> Ah, you just do not know. For one, *I* paid the cost of the dedicated
>> line. You know how much that was? Just the same cost as a second line
>> into my house. It was *my* business line (that's what they called a
>> second line) and the only difference was it was in *Cheltenham*, not
>> Nunawading. The owner of the property at Cheltenham, my friend, had
>> peviously had Telstra install a *10 pair line* into his house when
>> they were adding *his* business lines. I simply used one of his
>> *spare* lines. I wasn't the only person to use his spare lines, Neil M
>> and Steve P also used spare lines and had accounts at Metva. Steve
>> even hosted his business web page on the Metva server. It was called
>> Netway xxxx but, if I recall correctly, there was a similarly named
>> company in WA and people often
>>>
>>> I ran a bbs and I know what the costs were. EG my Netcomm modems were
>>
>> Whoopee Doo Dah!
>>
>>> $750 each at sysop price, they were $1100 to the public.
>>
>> I call bullshit on that. Mine wasn't cheap but it was nowhere near
>> $1100, not even when combined with the price of the one I also used at
>> home. FWIW, the modem I used was just a standard US Robotics looking
>> something like this;
>>
>> http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/44296/US-Robotics-Sportster-Voice-28-8-Faxmodem/
>>
>>
>> The only difference, it was 36k, not 28.8. The modem from the server
>> was a 28.8k so it made no difference what speed my modem had, downlink
>> was limited to the slowest modem in the chain. FWIW, even though I had
>> a 36k modem connected to the server, I used to dial in initially with
>> a 1200/75 modem that I had for dialling in to the college server. This
>> was the case until I bought a second US Robotics modem for use at
>> home, this one being 56k by then. They were *home grade* modems, not
>> commercial units.
>>
>>> Line rental per line was in the vicinity of $40 per month.
>>
>> Not if it was a 2nd phone line into a *home* - and Telstra didn't give
>> a rats whose home it was in either. I don't recall what the actual
>> cost was but it was very cheap. You were allowed one (1) additional
>> line at home for minimal extra cost on a home phone account. I suspect
>> it was what SOHO businesses used as a *fax line*.
>>
>> I used this system until ~1997 when I moved to broadband. From then on
>> I used to telnet into the Metva server through the internet. I was
>> with Optus Broadband by then and they had their own usenet servers and
>> I used them most of the time, only using the news.metva.com.au account
>> very occasionally from then on.
>>
>>>
>>> You are embellishing something that may have had some truth and
>>> making it much bigger than it was.
>>
>> There is no need to embellish *my* truth, it stands alone. Clocky can
>> even verify some of it as he has access to hard evidence. You know
>> what *hard evidence* is Grumpy? I'll give you a hint, it's evidence
>> the likes of which you will never and can never see related to
>> Darren's grandiose *claims* of apprenticeships, trade qualifications
>> and business ownership.
>>
>> You want to attack someone for embellishing the truth, go see Darren.
>> For instance, I have no doubt he did work with a company at the
>> airport. He departed from the *truth* when he made the claim he was an
>> AME apprentice. The reality, as I have stated, was that he was likely
>> nothing more than a *trades assistant*, a TA as they were commonly
>> known. That's because, by leaving Richmond Tech before completing even
>> year 9, he wasn't in the race to *qualify* for an AME apprenticeship.
>> They required year 10 passes at a *minimum* and, yes, you can check
>> that up - I did. Darren has been *embellishing* that AME
>> apprenticeship lie ever since. In fact, embellishing lies has become
>> something of a *habit* for him.
>>
>>
>
> I still have the dial up modems I used back in the day . I am such a
> hoarder.  :(
>
>

On 9/3/22 09:48, Noddy wrote:
> On 8/03/2022 4:55 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Monday, 7 March 2022 at 19:35:58 UTC+11, Xeno wrote:
>
>>> My first incursion into usenet was *at least* 30 years ago.
>
> <inferiority complex bullshit flushed>
>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> NOBODY cares, you jumped up, big noting cunt...
>>      (BTW, I`d bet it was little boys)
>
> Do you think? I don't know, that's why I asked.
>
> The reason *why* I asked is that the contemptible piece of shit made the
> statement that Warne died of a heart attack "after a tryst with an
> LBFMPBFR", and later tried to justify that disgusting statement by
> claiming that the area was known for it which is why men went there, and

The Philipines is where that term originated back in the Vietnam war
era. These days other countries rank equivalently high.

> Warne's very presence in the area when he could have been anywhere else
> in the world confirmed it.

So much for your claim to be *worldly* Darren. You are as naive as all
get out.
>
> Sound bizarre? It gets worse.
>
> He *also* stated that he knew the area well, had been there many times

Darren, you are doing it again - lying that is. I never said I had been
to the Koh Samui area many times. I said I had been to *Thailand* many
times. Never been to Koh Samui in my life. It's a *resort area* for
single males. In case you hadn't noticed, I haven't been single for
rather a long time.

> and was aware of the goings on it was famous for, which leads me to
> wonder why the accusations he applied to Warne do not apply to himself
> just as equally.

Because, Darren, I do not go to $4,000 a night resorts where
*discretion* is assured. Single chaps do and this is why;

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10586511/Four-masseuses-seen-CCTV-leaving-resort-Shane-Warne-found.html

Please observe the Thai Masseuses in their *uniforms*. LOL

Ever had a *proper* Thai massage Darren? I'll give you a clue - they
don't wear their finest clothes and they might just need more than a
*purse* or small *handbag* to carry the massage gear that they will
need. Ah Darren, worldly you sure aren't!!!
>
> Maybe he enjoyed the odd "tryst with an LBFMPBFR" himself. I mean,
> according to him why else would he have been there?

See above! Again you lie. Again you show that you are naive. In fact,
I'd say you'd best remain attached to your mother's apron strings. It's
a big bad world out there and the *reality* of it might just shock you.

--
Xeno

On 9/03/2022 11:39 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 9/03/2022 7:56 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 8/03/2022 2:38 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 8/3/22 11:56, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> On 8/03/2022 10:30 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 7/3/22 20:44, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/03/2022 7:02 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/03/2022 7:35 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 7:00 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> in my 30 years of usnet
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You've been using "usnet" for 30 years? Really?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> maybe not quite, but more than 20 years
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Who was the news server?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know but I'm not telling you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My first incursion into usenet was *at least* 30 years ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Hello, Felix. No-one asked for your fantasy, Tomas, 3 years
>>>>>>> ago you were still wondering about naked copper in naturestrips,
>>>>>>> and ISP "rules", both you failed, remember?, shit fer-brains?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The first
>>>>>>>> newsgroup I subscribed to was inaugurated in April 1991 and I
>>>>>>>> was subscribed to it in short order - within the first 6 months
>>>>>>>> IIRC. I was still a subscriber on that email/news server right
>>>>>>>> up until the owner passed away in November 2020.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does this news server have a name? I was asking Felix, not your
>>>>>>> imaginary self. Neither seem to be forthcoming.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hadn't logged into the news server for
>>>>>>>> quite some years but I had a few email addresses on the host
>>>>>>>> server there. Was discussing those with the host owner in July
>>>>>>>> 2020 whereupon he asked me if I still wanted them. I'd
>>>>>>>> forgotten about them since I thought they would have become
>>>>>>>> defunct ages earlier - apparently not so I said Ok. Well, they
>>>>>>>> are defunct now anyway, little did I know he'd be gone at 58 a
>>>>>>>> mere few months later. I used the Unix "Elm" email and usenet
>>>>>>>> line editor as my portal moving onto "Pine" in 1992. Heady days
>>>>>>>> and long before graphical user interfaces! Even had my own *2nd
>>>>>>>> phoneline* directly connected to the server at Cheltenham.
>>>>>>>> These were the dreaded dialup days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wonder what server his second phoneline was directly connected
>>>>>> to??? My bullshit meter just went off the scale.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Usenet servers were available on university servers in the mid
>>>>>> 80's when I was studying my BSc. Mostly used by people to
>>>>>> download binaries of games and porn.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's the degree you couldn't complete, right? Too hard? Likely
>>>>> you spent too much time downloading porn since you seem to know
>>>>> all about that aspect of usenet. FWIW, the Metva news server
>>>>> didn't support binaries and there were very good reasons for that,
>>>>> bandwidth limitations being prime among them. A 28k dialup uplink
>>>>> from the server to the internet plus a download cap being the main
>>>>> causes of concern.
>>>>>
>>>>> The person, and the webserver, whose existence you are denying
>>>>> actually did complete a BSc at Melb Uni. Here is a link to his
>>>>> LinkedIn page;
>>>>>
>>>>> https://au.linkedin.com/in/enno-davids-74700322
>>>>>
>>>>> Please observe the link to his *personal website*. The website
>>>>> itself is no longer extant but the link itself serves to prove it
>>>>> did once exist.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is why the website is no longer extant;
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.mytributes.com.au/notice/death-notices/enno-detlef-davids/5591993/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You cannot turn Darren's lies into the truth by attempting to
>>>>> *discredit* what *I* say. You just make yourself look more of a dick.
>>>>>
>>>> I'm not trying to say anything about Darren here, what I am saying
>>>> is that you are bullshitting. No one is going to set up a dedicated
>>>> line just for you to have access to their system. The cost of the
>>>> modem back then was not insignificant, the cost of the line rental
>>>> was also quite high amongst other things.
>>>
>>> Ah, you just do not know. For one, *I* paid the cost of the
>>> dedicated line. You know how much that was? Just the same cost as a
>>> second line into my house. It was *my* business line (that's what
>>> they called a second line) and the only difference was it was in
>>> *Cheltenham*, not Nunawading. The owner of the property at
>>> Cheltenham, my friend, had peviously had Telstra install a *10 pair
>>> line* into his house when they were adding *his* business lines. I
>>> simply used one of his *spare* lines. I wasn't the only person to
>>> use his spare lines, Neil M and Steve P also used spare lines and
>>> had accounts at Metva. Steve even hosted his business web page on
>>> the Metva server. It was called Netway xxxx but, if I recall
>>> correctly, there was a similarly named company in WA and people often
>>>>
>>>> I ran a bbs and I know what the costs were. EG my Netcomm modems were
>>>
>>> Whoopee Doo Dah!
>>>
>>>> $750 each at sysop price, they were $1100 to the public.
>>>
>>> I call bullshit on that. Mine wasn't cheap but it was nowhere near
>>> $1100, not even when combined with the price of the one I also used
>>> at home. FWIW, the modem I used was just a standard US Robotics
>>> looking something like this;
>>>
>>> http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/44296/US-Robotics-Sportster-Voice-28-8-Faxmodem/
>>>
>>>
>>> The only difference, it was 36k, not 28.8. The modem from the server
>>> was a 28.8k so it made no difference what speed my modem had,
>>> downlink was limited to the slowest modem in the chain. FWIW, even
>>> though I had a 36k modem connected to the server, I used to dial in
>>> initially with a 1200/75 modem that I had for dialling in to the
>>> college server. This was the case until I bought a second US
>>> Robotics modem for use at home, this one being 56k by then. They
>>> were *home grade* modems, not commercial units.
>>>
>>>> Line rental per line was in the vicinity of $40 per month.
>>>
>>> Not if it was a 2nd phone line into a *home* - and Telstra didn't
>>> give a rats whose home it was in either. I don't recall what the
>>> actual cost was but it was very cheap. You were allowed one (1)
>>> additional line at home for minimal extra cost on a home phone
>>> account. I suspect it was what SOHO businesses used as a *fax line*.
>>>
>>> I used this system until ~1997 when I moved to broadband. From then
>>> on I used to telnet into the Metva server through the internet. I
>>> was with Optus Broadband by then and they had their own usenet
>>> servers and I used them most of the time, only using the
>>> news.metva.com.au account very occasionally from then on.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You are embellishing something that may have had some truth and
>>>> making it much bigger than it was.
>>>
>>> There is no need to embellish *my* truth, it stands alone. Clocky
>>> can even verify some of it as he has access to hard evidence. You
>>> know what *hard evidence* is Grumpy? I'll give you a hint, it's
>>> evidence the likes of which you will never and can never see related
>>> to Darren's grandiose *claims* of apprenticeships, trade
>>> qualifications and business ownership.
>>>
>>> You want to attack someone for embellishing the truth, go see
>>> Darren. For instance, I have no doubt he did work with a company at
>>> the airport. He departed from the *truth* when he made the claim he
>>> was an AME apprentice. The reality, as I have stated, was that he
>>> was likely nothing more than a *trades assistant*, a TA as they were
>>> commonly known. That's because, by leaving Richmond Tech before
>>> completing even year 9, he wasn't in the race to *qualify* for an
>>> AME apprenticeship. They required year 10 passes at a *minimum* and,
>>> yes, you can check that up - I did. Darren has been *embellishing*
>>> that AME apprenticeship lie ever since. In fact, embellishing lies
>>> has become something of a *habit* for him.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I still have the dial up modems I used back in the day . I am such a
>> hoarder.  :(
>>
>>
>
>
> Did you actually sell anything to Ian, lol :-)

On 9/03/2022 12:04 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 9/3/22 09:48, Noddy wrote:
>> On 8/03/2022 4:55 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, 7 March 2022 at 19:35:58 UTC+11, Xeno wrote:
>>
>>>> My first incursion into usenet was *at least* 30 years ago.
>>
>> <inferiority complex bullshit flushed>
>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> NOBODY cares, you jumped up, big noting cunt...
>>>      (BTW, I`d bet it was little boys)
>>
>> Do you think? I don't know, that's why I asked.
>>
>> The reason *why* I asked is that the contemptible piece of shit made
>> the statement that Warne died of a heart attack "after a tryst with
>> an LBFMPBFR", and later tried to justify that disgusting statement by
>> claiming that the area was known for it which is why men went there, and
>
> The Philipines is where that term originated back in the Vietnam war
> era. These days other countries rank equivalently high.
>
>> Warne's very presence in the area when he could have been anywhere
>> else in the world confirmed it.
>
> So much for your claim to be *worldly* Darren. You are as naive as all
> get out.
>>
>> Sound bizarre? It gets worse.
>>
>> He *also* stated that he knew the area well, had been there many times
>
> Darren, you are doing it again - lying that is. I never said I had
> been to the Koh Samui area many times. I said I had been to *Thailand*
> many times. Never been to Koh Samui in my life.

he never lets the facts get in the way of a good story  :)

> It's a *resort area* for single males. In case you hadn't noticed, I
> haven't been single for rather a long time.

lol

>
>> and was aware of the goings on it was famous for, which leads me to
>> wonder why the accusations he applied to Warne do not apply to
>> himself just as equally.
>
> Because, Darren, I do not go to $4,000 a night resorts where
> *discretion* is assured. Single chaps do and this is why;
>
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10586511/Four-masseuses-seen-CCTV-leaving-resort-Shane-Warne-found.html
>
>
> Please observe the Thai Masseuses in their *uniforms*.  LOL
>
> Ever had a *proper* Thai massage Darren? I'll give you a clue - they
> don't wear their finest clothes and they might just need more than a
> *purse* or small *handbag* to carry the massage gear that they will
> need. Ah Darren, worldly you sure aren't!!!
>>
>> Maybe he enjoyed the odd "tryst with an LBFMPBFR" himself. I mean,
>> according to him why else would he have been there?
>
> See above! Again you lie. Again you show that you are naive. In fact,
> I'd say you'd best remain attached to your mother's apron strings.
> It's a big bad world out there and the *reality* of it might just
> shock you.
>
>

--
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FUCK PUTIN!!

"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"He came, he saw, he got pummelled" - Alvey on Keefy
"What a pair! Not a single word of rebuttal or reason,
just cretinous abuse" - Alvey on jonz and noddy
"His self serving ego pumping comments just read
like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy
"your opinion isn't worth 2 knobs of goat shit"- Xeno on Grubby Tech
"You cannot turn Darren's lies into the truth by attempting to *discredit*
what *I* say. You just make yourself look more of a dick"- Xeno to Grubby Tech

On 9/03/2022 12:04 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 9/3/22 09:48, Noddy wrote:
>
>> and was aware of the goings on it was famous for, which leads me to
>> wonder why the accusations he applied to Warne do not apply to
>> himself just as equally.
>
> Because, Darren, I do not go to $4,000 a night resorts where
> *discretion* is assured. Single chaps do and this is why;
>
> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10586511/Four-masseuses-seen-CCTV-leaving-resort-Shane-Warne-found.html
>
>
> Please observe the Thai Masseuses in their *uniforms*.  LOL
>
> Ever had a *proper* Thai massage Darren? I'll give you a clue - they
> don't wear their finest clothes and they might just need more than a
> *purse* or small *handbag* to carry the massage gear that they will
> need. Ah Darren, worldly you sure aren't!!!
>

so you're proven right in what you originally said that you got
rubbished for

--
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FUCK PUTIN!!

"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"He came, he saw, he got pummelled" - Alvey on Keefy
"What a pair! Not a single word of rebuttal or reason,
just cretinous abuse" - Alvey on jonz and noddy
"His self serving ego pumping comments just read
like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy
"your opinion isn't worth 2 knobs of goat shit"- Xeno on Grubby Tech
"You cannot turn Darren's lies into the truth by attempting to *discredit*
what *I* say. You just make yourself look more of a dick"- Xeno to Grubby Tech

On 9/3/22 12:22, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 9/03/2022 12:04 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 9/3/22 09:48, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>> and was aware of the goings on it was famous for, which leads me to
>>> wonder why the accusations he applied to Warne do not apply to
>>> himself just as equally.
>>
>> Because, Darren, I do not go to $4,000 a night resorts where
>> *discretion* is assured. Single chaps do and this is why;
>>
>> https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10586511/Four-masseuses-seen-CCTV-leaving-resort-Shane-Warne-found.html
>>
>>
>> Please observe the Thai Masseuses in their *uniforms*.  LOL
>>
>> Ever had a *proper* Thai massage Darren? I'll give you a clue - they
>> don't wear their finest clothes and they might just need more than a
>> *purse* or small *handbag* to carry the massage gear that they will
>> need. Ah Darren, worldly you sure aren't!!!
>>
>
> so you're proven right in what you originally said that you got
> rubbished for
>
Indeed. A 2 hour+ "massage"? With *2 Masseuses*? You would have to be
*extremely naive* to not know what that meant. As soon as I saw the
*location*, I knew straight away. Everything that's emerged since then
has merely served to confirm my initial thoughts on the topic.

It's just sad that everyone is trying to sweep the truth under the
carpet. Warnie was a "lad" well known for such larrikinism, why don't
people just accept this was the way he was likely to go, likely with a
grin on his face. He wasn't a saint so don't try to sanctify him. He
died as he lived, a larrikin to the end.

All that Darren has managed to do now is show that he isn't worldly and,
in fact, is incredibly naive. He *lied* when he made that claim of being
worldly and his own *actions* proved it..

--
Xeno

On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 09:48:21 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 8/03/2022 4:55 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Monday, 7 March 2022 at 19:35:58 UTC+11, Xeno wrote:
>
>>> My first incursion into usenet was *at least* 30 years ago.
>
> <inferiority complex bullshit flushed>
>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> NOBODY cares, you jumped up, big noting cunt...
>> (BTW, I`d bet it was little boys)
>
> Do you think? I don't know, that's why I asked.
>
> The reason *why* I asked is that the contemptible piece of shit made the
> statement that Warne died of a heart attack "after a tryst with an
> LBFMPBFR", and later tried to justify that disgusting statement by
> claiming that the area was known for it which is why men went there, and
> Warne's very presence in the area when he could have been anywhere else
> in the world confirmed it.
>
> Sound bizarre? It gets worse.
>
> He *also* stated that he knew the area well, had been there many times
> and was aware of the goings on it was famous for, which leads me to
> wonder why the accusations he applied to Warne do not apply to himself
> just as equally.
>
> Maybe he enjoyed the odd "tryst with an LBFMPBFR" himself. I mean,
> according to him why else would he have been there?

What a wretched and pathetic creature you are Fraudster.
Not long ago you went off the deep end when someone called you a pedo, yet
here you are *again*, not just repeating the very same slur, but doing it
the cowards' way, from behind a (snigger) killfail.

You are, by an enormous distance, the most despicable poster I've seen in
25 years of usenet.

alvey

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On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 12:04:20 +1100, Xeno wrote:

> On 9/3/22 09:48, Noddy wrote:
>> On 8/03/2022 4:55 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, 7 March 2022 at 19:35:58 UTC+11, Xeno wrote:
>>
>>>> My first incursion into usenet was *at least* 30 years ago.
>>
>> <inferiority complex bullshit flushed>
>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> NOBODY cares, you jumped up, big noting cunt...
>>>      (BTW, I`d bet it was little boys)
>>
>> Do you think? I don't know, that's why I asked.
>>
>> The reason *why* I asked is that the contemptible piece of shit made the
>> statement that Warne died of a heart attack "after a tryst with an
>> LBFMPBFR", and later tried to justify that disgusting statement by
>> claiming that the area was known for it which is why men went there, and
>
> The Philipines is where that term originated back in the Vietnam war
> era. These days other countries rank equivalently high.
>
>> Warne's very presence in the area when he could have been anywhere else
>> in the world confirmed it.
>
> So much for your claim to be *worldly* Darren.

Fork me! The Fraudster claiming to be "wordly"? I missed that.
Hahahahahahahaha.
One trip to NZ to stay with the wife's rellies and he's "worldly"?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
Or is he "worldly" from all those literary masterpieces that he's read?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

If you want an indication of the Fraudster's "worldliness", raed this.

"Stay well away from the Gold Coast if you hate fags and posers
though, as it's chocka block full of them. It's the only place I've ever
seen where the footpath cafe chairs face the road". 11Mar06

It's inconcievable that a 43yo man *anywhere* in the first world could have
written that this century.

alvey
Still laughing at "worldly"...

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On 9/03/2022 9:53 am, alvey wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 09:48:21 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 8/03/2022 4:55 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, 7 March 2022 at 19:35:58 UTC+11, Xeno wrote:
>>
>>>> My first incursion into usenet was *at least* 30 years ago.
>>
>> <inferiority complex bullshit flushed>
>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> NOBODY cares, you jumped up, big noting cunt...
>>> (BTW, I`d bet it was little boys)
>>
>> Do you think? I don't know, that's why I asked.
>>
>> The reason *why* I asked is that the contemptible piece of shit made the
>> statement that Warne died of a heart attack "after a tryst with an
>> LBFMPBFR", and later tried to justify that disgusting statement by
>> claiming that the area was known for it which is why men went there, and
>> Warne's very presence in the area when he could have been anywhere else
>> in the world confirmed it.
>>
>> Sound bizarre? It gets worse.
>>
>> He *also* stated that he knew the area well, had been there many times
>> and was aware of the goings on it was famous for, which leads me to
>> wonder why the accusations he applied to Warne do not apply to himself
>> just as equally.
>>
>> Maybe he enjoyed the odd "tryst with an LBFMPBFR" himself. I mean,
>> according to him why else would he have been there?
>
> What a wretched and pathetic creature you are Fraudster.
>
> Not long ago you went off the deep end when someone called you a pedo, yet
> here you are *again*, not just repeating the very same slur, but doing it
> the cowards' way, from behind a (snigger) killfail.
>
> You are, by an enormous distance, the most despicable poster I've seen in
> 25 years of usenet.
>

Same, and by some margin. That he has willing enablers... incredible.

--
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"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
it is unproven, he is lying."

On 9/03/2022 9:12 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 9/03/2022 11:39 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 9/03/2022 7:56 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 8/03/2022 2:38 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 8/3/22 11:56, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>> On 8/03/2022 10:30 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 7/3/22 20:44, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>> On 7/03/2022 7:02 pm, lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 7/03/2022 7:35 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 7/3/2022 7:00 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> in my 30 years of usnet
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You've been using "usnet" for 30 years? Really?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> maybe not quite, but more than 20 years
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Who was the news server?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know but I'm not telling you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My first incursion into usenet was *at least* 30 years ago.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   Hello, Felix. No-one asked for your fantasy, Tomas, 3 years
>>>>>>>> ago you were still wondering about naked copper in naturestrips,
>>>>>>>> and ISP "rules", both you failed, remember?, shit fer-brains?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The first
>>>>>>>>> newsgroup I subscribed to was inaugurated in April 1991 and I
>>>>>>>>> was subscribed to it in short order - within the first 6 months
>>>>>>>>> IIRC. I was still a subscriber on that email/news server right
>>>>>>>>> up until the owner passed away in November 2020.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does this news server have a name? I was asking Felix, not your
>>>>>>>> imaginary self. Neither seem to be forthcoming.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hadn't logged into the news server for
>>>>>>>>> quite some years but I had a few email addresses on the host
>>>>>>>>> server there. Was discussing those with the host owner in July
>>>>>>>>> 2020 whereupon he asked me if I still wanted them. I'd
>>>>>>>>> forgotten about them since I thought they would have become
>>>>>>>>> defunct ages earlier - apparently not so I said Ok. Well, they
>>>>>>>>> are defunct now anyway, little did I know he'd be gone at 58 a
>>>>>>>>> mere few months later. I used the Unix "Elm" email and usenet
>>>>>>>>> line editor as my portal moving onto "Pine" in 1992. Heady days
>>>>>>>>> and long before graphical user interfaces! Even had my own *2nd
>>>>>>>>> phoneline* directly connected to the server at Cheltenham.
>>>>>>>>> These were the dreaded dialup days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I wonder what server his second phoneline was directly connected
>>>>>>> to??? My bullshit meter just went off the scale.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Usenet servers were available on university servers in the mid
>>>>>>> 80's when I was studying my BSc. Mostly used by people to
>>>>>>> download binaries of games and porn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's the degree you couldn't complete, right? Too hard? Likely
>>>>>> you spent too much time downloading porn since you seem to know
>>>>>> all about that aspect of usenet. FWIW, the Metva news server
>>>>>> didn't support binaries and there were very good reasons for that,
>>>>>> bandwidth limitations being prime among them. A 28k dialup uplink
>>>>>> from the server to the internet plus a download cap being the main
>>>>>> causes of concern.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The person, and the webserver, whose existence you are denying
>>>>>> actually did complete a BSc at Melb Uni. Here is a link to his
>>>>>> LinkedIn page;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://au.linkedin.com/in/enno-davids-74700322
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please observe the link to his *personal website*. The website
>>>>>> itself is no longer extant but the link itself serves to prove it
>>>>>> did once exist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is why the website is no longer extant;
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.mytributes.com.au/notice/death-notices/enno-detlef-davids/5591993/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You cannot turn Darren's lies into the truth by attempting to
>>>>>> *discredit* what *I* say. You just make yourself look more of a dick.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not trying to say anything about Darren here, what I am saying
>>>>> is that you are bullshitting. No one is going to set up a dedicated
>>>>> line just for you to have access to their system. The cost of the
>>>>> modem back then was not insignificant, the cost of the line rental
>>>>> was also quite high amongst other things.
>>>>
>>>> Ah, you just do not know. For one, *I* paid the cost of the
>>>> dedicated line. You know how much that was? Just the same cost as a
>>>> second line into my house. It was *my* business line (that's what
>>>> they called a second line) and the only difference was it was in
>>>> *Cheltenham*, not Nunawading. The owner of the property at
>>>> Cheltenham, my friend, had peviously had Telstra install a *10 pair
>>>> line* into his house when they were adding *his* business lines. I
>>>> simply used one of his *spare* lines. I wasn't the only person to
>>>> use his spare lines, Neil M and Steve P also used spare lines and
>>>> had accounts at Metva. Steve even hosted his business web page on
>>>> the Metva server. It was called Netway xxxx but, if I recall
>>>> correctly, there was a similarly named company in WA and people often
>>>>>
>>>>> I ran a bbs and I know what the costs were. EG my Netcomm modems were
>>>>
>>>> Whoopee Doo Dah!
>>>>
>>>>> $750 each at sysop price, they were $1100 to the public.
>>>>
>>>> I call bullshit on that. Mine wasn't cheap but it was nowhere near
>>>> $1100, not even when combined with the price of the one I also used
>>>> at home. FWIW, the modem I used was just a standard US Robotics
>>>> looking something like this;
>>>>
>>>> http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/44296/US-Robotics-Sportster-Voice-28-8-Faxmodem/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The only difference, it was 36k, not 28.8. The modem from the server
>>>> was a 28.8k so it made no difference what speed my modem had,
>>>> downlink was limited to the slowest modem in the chain. FWIW, even
>>>> though I had a 36k modem connected to the server, I used to dial in
>>>> initially with a 1200/75 modem that I had for dialling in to the
>>>> college server. This was the case until I bought a second US
>>>> Robotics modem for use at home, this one being 56k by then. They
>>>> were *home grade* modems, not commercial units.
>>>>
>>>>> Line rental per line was in the vicinity of $40 per month.
>>>>
>>>> Not if it was a 2nd phone line into a *home* - and Telstra didn't
>>>> give a rats whose home it was in either. I don't recall what the
>>>> actual cost was but it was very cheap. You were allowed one (1)
>>>> additional line at home for minimal extra cost on a home phone
>>>> account. I suspect it was what SOHO businesses used as a *fax line*.
>>>>
>>>> I used this system until ~1997 when I moved to broadband. From then
>>>> on I used to telnet into the Metva server through the internet. I
>>>> was with Optus Broadband by then and they had their own usenet
>>>> servers and I used them most of the time, only using the
>>>> news.metva.com.au account very occasionally from then on.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You are embellishing something that may have had some truth and
>>>>> making it much bigger than it was.
>>>>
>>>> There is no need to embellish *my* truth, it stands alone. Clocky
>>>> can even verify some of it as he has access to hard evidence. You
>>>> know what *hard evidence* is Grumpy? I'll give you a hint, it's
>>>> evidence the likes of which you will never and can never see related
>>>> to Darren's grandiose *claims* of apprenticeships, trade
>>>> qualifications and business ownership.
>>>>
>>>> You want to attack someone for embellishing the truth, go see
>>>> Darren. For instance, I have no doubt he did work with a company at
>>>> the airport. He departed from the *truth* when he made the claim he
>>>> was an AME apprentice. The reality, as I have stated, was that he
>>>> was likely nothing more than a *trades assistant*, a TA as they were
>>>> commonly known. That's because, by leaving Richmond Tech before
>>>> completing even year 9, he wasn't in the race to *qualify* for an
>>>> AME apprenticeship. They required year 10 passes at a *minimum* and,
>>>> yes, you can check that up - I did. Darren has been *embellishing*
>>>> that AME apprenticeship lie ever since. In fact, embellishing lies
>>>> has become something of a *habit* for him.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I still have the dial up modems I used back in the day . I am such a
>>> hoarder.  :(
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Did you actually sell anything to Ian, lol :-)
>
>
> lol, yes. quite a lot of stuff that he wanted. I don't remember all that
> he took. I had a box off video cards, and I thought we would go thru
> them to pick what he wanted, but he just took the whole box! so I lost
> some I may have wanted to keep. I had a box of all kinds of RAM too but
> he didn't want any RAM.

On 10/03/2022 9:05 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 9/03/2022 9:12 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 9/03/2022 11:39 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 9/03/2022 7:56 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I still have the dial up modems I used back in the day . I am such
>>>> a hoarder.  :(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Did you actually sell anything to Ian, lol :-)
>>
>>
>> lol, yes. quite a lot of stuff that he wanted. I don't remember all
>> that he took. I had a box off video cards, and I thought we would go
>> thru them to pick what he wanted, but he just took the whole box! so
>> I lost some I may have wanted to keep. I had a box of all kinds of
>> RAM too but he didn't want any RAM.
>
> Do you have any 30 pin SIMMs?

yeah I had some and even some SIPPS and old RAM for early macs, but I
can't find it now. I think Ian must have taken it, and just left the
newer stuff. I remember him saying he didn't want the new stuff. I think
maybe he got a good deal for his money.

>
>
>>  he took my original Mac128, and when he plugged  it in to try it,
>> there was a bang and some black acrid smoke!  no big deal he said,
>> that's fairly normal due to the poor design of the power supply, and
>> easily fixed.
>>
>
> Likely just a RIFA cap going up in smoke. No harm done and an easy fix
> but the smoke it pumps out is putrid.
>

apparently the power in the Mac connects directly to the PCB. not a good
design.

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On 10/03/2022 6:38 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 10/03/2022 9:05 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 9/03/2022 9:12 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 9/03/2022 11:39 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 9/03/2022 7:56 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I still have the dial up modems I used back in the day . I am such
>>>>> a hoarder.  :(
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Did you actually sell anything to Ian, lol :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> lol, yes. quite a lot of stuff that he wanted. I don't remember all
>>> that he took. I had a box off video cards, and I thought we would go
>>> thru them to pick what he wanted, but he just took the whole box! so
>>> I lost some I may have wanted to keep. I had a box of all kinds of
>>> RAM too but he didn't want any RAM.
>>
>> Do you have any 30 pin SIMMs?
>
>
> yeah I had some and even some SIPPS and old RAM for early macs, but I
> can't find it now. I think Ian must have taken it, and just left the
> newer stuff. I remember him saying he didn't want the new stuff. I think
> maybe he got a good deal for his money.
>
>

Probably, but he collects, tests everything, repairs where required and
gives a warranty when he sells it and you don't have to deal with any of
that. He's known to be fair as a buyer all things considered.

>>
>>
>>>  he took my original Mac128, and when he plugged  it in to try it,
>>> there was a bang and some black acrid smoke!  no big deal he said,
>>> that's fairly normal due to the poor design of the power supply, and
>>> easily fixed.
>>>
>>
>> Likely just a RIFA cap going up in smoke. No harm done and an easy fix
>> but the smoke it pumps out is putrid.
>>
>
> apparently the power in the Mac connects directly to the PCB. not a good
> design.
>
>

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