On 27/03/2023 01:00, RustyHinge wrote:
> On 26/03/2023 17:35, YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>> On 26/03/2023 11:47, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't know football -
>> Rugby?
>
> Only too well - I joined the school cross country team *just* so I could
> run instead of playing the nasty rough pointless, boring,
> kick-the-ball-into-touch-and-gain-a-foot-or-two-advantage apology for a
> game.

I played Eton Fives, as it was nicely sheltered and because nobody ever
used court 6 it was full of leaves, and you could go in there for a
crafty smoke. Gordon Campbell[5] was the school MO, and I once partnered
him against a couple of my friends - I was definitely the weakest link,
they trounced us.

[5]
https://www.etonfives.com/miscellaneous-items/2369-tony-hughes-gordon-campbell

On 27/03/2023 22:46, Pip Luscher wrote:
> Ace <Ace@ch.com> Wrote in message:
>> On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 11:35:15 +0000, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:>On 24/03/2023 10:51, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:>> Going off at a tangent, are some people 'left-footed' in a similar way >> to which some are 'left-handed'?>>Yes, but: I'm right-footed for kicking purposes, but regarded as >left-footed for snowboarding.Do you mean you ride 'goofy', right foot forward? (for theuninitiated, left foot forward is regarded as the more normal'regular' stance.)I didn't think there was that much correlation between snowboardstance and 'kicking' footedness, TBH.
>
> TBH I'm dubious about the leading foot thing at all, especially
> the 'test' where they give you a shove and see which foot you
> step forward with. While I am sure that there are those who
> cannot twist their body or turn their head easily one way or the
> other, I suspect that it's more about which way you first
> learn.
>
Yes, this is sort of what I had always assumed. But, given that
right/left handedness is accepted as a 'real thing', I decided to ask
the question about feet. After all, if there are definite 'preferences'
for hands (and eyes), why not feet too.

I wonder if anyone has done any proper research?
Maybe I'll google it later...

Chris
--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
http://www.Deuchars.org.uk

On 27/03/2023 22:46, Pip Luscher wrote:
> Ace <Ace@ch.com> Wrote in message:
>> On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 11:35:15 +0000, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:>On 24/03/2023 10:51, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:>> Going off at a tangent, are some people 'left-footed' in a similar way >> to which some are 'left-handed'?>>Yes, but: I'm right-footed for kicking purposes, but regarded as >left-footed for snowboarding.Do you mean you ride 'goofy', right foot forward? (for theuninitiated, left foot forward is regarded as the more normal'regular' stance.)I didn't think there was that much correlation between snowboardstance and 'kicking' footedness, TBH.
>
> TBH I'm dubious about the leading foot thing at all, especially
> the 'test' where they give you a shove and see which foot you
> step forward with. While I am sure that there are those who
> cannot twist their body or turn their head easily one way or the
> other, I suspect that it's more about which way you first
> learn.

You definitely have a preference, whether you know it or not. Come to
think of it, I can illustrate this quite nicely (FSVO nicely): I borked
my left leg rather comprehensively on (or rather, off) a Vincent. I was
in traction for a brace-and-a-half of months, being released from
hospital to get about on one leg, elbow-crutches and a calliper.

Then I graduated to being able to take weight on the left leg, so
discarded the crutches immediately. Shortly after that I came downstairs
- precipitately ... having automatically put my right foot forward
first. Sixty years on (yes, we *did* have motorcycles when I was in my
twenties - we even had telescopic forks in those far-off days) I still
have to be mindful which foot I start off on when descending any height.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 27/03/2023 23:17, Turby wrote:
> On 3/27/2023 11:35 AM, Turby wrote:
>> On 3/27/2023 1:44 AM, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
>>>>>> On 24/03/2023 10:51, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Going off at a tangent, are some people 'left-footed' in a
>>>>>>> similar way to which some are 'left-handed'?
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>> Better - but I'm just not a sporty person.
>>
>> Neither am I. The only sport I competed in was rifle team, in high
>> school.
>
> Correction - I also competed in a few bodysurfing contests. That was
> mostly for the party vibe, though. At the Pipeline in Hawaii, the chance
> of ever getting the place good with only 4 other guys out with you is
> absolutely nil. One year I advanced, so got a dozen waves over 6'
> Hawaiian, and it only cost me $50. A steal.

Tink I forgot to mention shooting - was in the Vintage Arms Association
Bury St. Edmunds Pistol team which won one year's 25 yds competition,
and several of rifle team events (VAA again, various ranges, mainly
Horsford) where I shot with ·303 P14, ·22 LR Stevens, ·22 Short
Browning, ·22 LR Martini-Henry target, 11·15mm M77 Werndl, 11mm Mauser
71/84, 12-bore Manton of Calcutta (Big Game) and maybe a few more.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 17:22:07 +0100, RustyHinge
<rusty.hinge@foobar.girolle.co.uk> wrote:

>On 27/03/2023 22:46, Pip Luscher wrote:
>> Ace <Ace@ch.com> Wrote in message:
>>> On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 11:35:15 +0000, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:>On 24/03/2023 10:51, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:>> Going off at a tangent, are some people 'left-footed' in a similar way >> to which some are 'left-handed'?>>Yes, but: I'm right-footed for kicking purposes, but regarded as >left-footed for snowboarding.Do you mean you ride 'goofy', right foot forward? (for theuninitiated, left foot forward is regarded as the more normal'regular' stance.)I didn't think there was that much correlation between snowboardstance and 'kicking' footedness, TBH.
>>
>> TBH I'm dubious about the leading foot thing at all, especially
>> the 'test' where they give you a shove and see which foot you
>> step forward with. While I am sure that there are those who
>> cannot twist their body or turn their head easily one way or the
>> other, I suspect that it's more about which way you first
>> learn.
>
>You definitely have a preference, whether you know it or not.

For walking or emergency balance, sure, as the snowboarding
"footedness" test shows. But you're strapped into a board facing
sideways, with your head and body a little twisted. I think that if
I'd been assesses as goofy then I'd have learned to ride goofy.

I *can* ride switch when I feel reasonably confident (I'll switch back
if the going gets icy/steep/crowded) and riding draglifts switch was
like learning all over again, but I'm sure it would have been the same
the other way round.

--

-Pip

On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 11:35:15 +0000, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:

> Yes, but: I'm right-footed for kicking purposes, but regarded as
> left-footed for snowboarding.

I'm slew-footed [^1] on a micro-mobility kick scooter [^2].

[^1]: What y'all call an "outward bounder" I guess.

[^2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scooter-sharing_system

--
Worst Case

On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 21:10:31 +0100, Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:

>>You definitely have a preference, whether you know it or not.

>For walking or emergency balance, sure, as the snowboarding
>"footedness" test shows. But you're strapped into a board facing
>sideways, with your head and body a little twisted. I think that if
>I'd been assesses as goofy then I'd have learned to ride goofy.

I tend to agree. It's a completely new skill, that the body (brain,
really) has to learn. I've always thought the same about left-handed
guitar players - if you can't play the guitar at all, when you start,
neither handedness should be easier

>I *can* ride switch when I feel reasonably confident (I'll switch back
>if the going gets icy/steep/crowded) and riding draglifts switch was
>like learning all over again, but I'm sure it would have been the same
>the other way round.

Yersh. I can ride switch "a bit". It has to be a very easy slope,
and I have to concentrate pretty hard
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 25/03/2023 10:10, Ace wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 11:35:15 +0000, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, but: I'm right-footed for kicking purposes, but regarded as
>> left-footed for snowboarding.
>
> Do you mean you ride 'goofy', right foot forward? (for the
> uninitiated, left foot forward is regarded as the more normal
> 'regular' stance.)

Yes, goofy. Also badly, but that's a different discussion.

> I didn't think there was that much correlation between snowboard
> stance and 'kicking' footedness, TBH.

Me neither, but I've seen many suggestions that there is.

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

On 27/03/2023 22:46, Pip Luscher wrote:
> Ace <Ace@ch.com> Wrote in message:
>> On Fri, 24 Mar 2023 11:35:15 +0000, Eddie <eddie@deguello.org> wrote:>On 24/03/2023 10:51, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:>> Going off at a tangent, are some people 'left-footed' in a similar way >> to which some are 'left-handed'?>>Yes, but: I'm right-footed for kicking purposes, but regarded as >left-footed for snowboarding.Do you mean you ride 'goofy', right foot forward? (for theuninitiated, left foot forward is regarded as the more normal'regular' stance.)I didn't think there was that much correlation between snowboardstance and 'kicking' footedness, TBH.
>
> TBH I'm dubious about the leading foot thing at all, especially
> the 'test' where they give you a shove and see which foot you
> step forward with. While I am sure that there are those who
> cannot twist their body or turn their head easily one way or the
> other, I suspect that it's more about which way you first
> learn.

I'm not entirely convinced either, but I lead with my right foot on
stairs and skateboards, so the left leg does the hard work but the right
has the control. Makes sense to stand on a snowboard the same way as a
skateboard.

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 14:48:26 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 21:10:31 +0100, Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>You definitely have a preference, whether you know it or not.
>
>>For walking or emergency balance, sure, as the snowboarding
>>"footedness" test shows. But you're strapped into a board facing
>>sideways, with your head and body a little twisted. I think that if
>>I'd been assesses as goofy then I'd have learned to ride goofy.
>
>I tend to agree. It's a completely new skill, that the body (brain,
>really) has to learn. I've always thought the same about left-handed
>guitar players - if you can't play the guitar at all, when you start,
>neither handedness should be easier

Not convinced. In general one's non-dominant hand is stronger, so for
most right-handed people it's easier to fret using the left hand than
the right.

For boarding, yeah, I dunno, but I would always stand with my left
foot forward for anything like shooting, throwing a ball, which may
have more to do with leverage or balance, but it would be a default
starting position for anything. Certainly was when I was boarding some
many years ago.
--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On 30/03/2023 15:57, Ace wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 14:48:26 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 21:10:31 +0100, Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>> You definitely have a preference, whether you know it or not.
>>
>>> For walking or emergency balance, sure, as the snowboarding
>>> "footedness" test shows. But you're strapped into a board facing
>>> sideways, with your head and body a little twisted. I think that if
>>> I'd been assesses as goofy then I'd have learned to ride goofy.
>>
>> I tend to agree. It's a completely new skill, that the body (brain,
>> really) has to learn. I've always thought the same about left-handed
>> guitar players - if you can't play the guitar at all, when you start,
>> neither handedness should be easier
>
> Not convinced. In general one's non-dominant hand is stronger, so for
> most right-handed people it's easier to fret using the left hand than
> the right.

Really? Surely one's non-dominant hand is the weaker? I might even
argue that as some sort of definition!

On this point I do tend to agree with Champ that starting from scratch
it should be do-able either way. However, the Hendrixes (and
McCartneys) of this world obviously disagree. That being said,
left-handed guitar players have their own sub-variants. There are
lefties who simply turn a standard guitar (and chords) upside down.
There are those who use a standard guitar and reverse the strings (which
at least means the chord diagrams are mirror images) and also those who
pay extortionate amounts for a left-handed guitar. (There may even be
those using a lefty guitar with the strings 'upside down' - but I've not
noticed any.)

I am right handed - but even I was once told by an elderly master
mariner that I tie turk's head knots 'left handed'!

Who knew?
WTF? etc

Chris
--
The Deuchars BBB#40 COFF#14
Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
http://www.Deuchars.org.uk

On 3/30/2023 7:57 AM, Ace wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 14:48:26 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 21:10:31 +0100, Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>> You definitely have a preference, whether you know it or not.
>>
>>> For walking or emergency balance, sure, as the snowboarding
>>> "footedness" test shows. But you're strapped into a board facing
>>> sideways, with your head and body a little twisted. I think that if
>>> I'd been assesses as goofy then I'd have learned to ride goofy.
>>
>> I tend to agree. It's a completely new skill, that the body (brain,
>> really) has to learn. I've always thought the same about left-handed
>> guitar players - if you can't play the guitar at all, when you start,
>> neither handedness should be easier
>
> Not convinced. In general one's non-dominant hand is stronger, so for
> most right-handed people it's easier to fret using the left hand than
> the right.
>
> For boarding, yeah, I dunno, but I would always stand with my left
> foot forward for anything like shooting, throwing a ball, which may
> have more to do with leverage or balance, but it would be a default
> starting position for anything. Certainly was when I was boarding some
> many years ago.

I write left-handed. In school, teachers tried to get me to write with
my right, but that didn't work.
I shoot right-handed, but it doesn't matter which foot is front, I can
twist my torso either direction. It's which eye is looking down the
sights that matter.
It doesn't matter which foot goes up or down stairs first, I can do
either. In the military, marching starts with the left foot first.
] Apparently, there hasn't been much definitive research done, just a lot
of undefined results.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS & ST1100 (in memoriam)

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:57:19 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 14:48:26 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 21:10:31 +0100, Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>You definitely have a preference, whether you know it or not.
>>
>>>For walking or emergency balance, sure, as the snowboarding
>>>"footedness" test shows. But you're strapped into a board facing
>>>sideways, with your head and body a little twisted. I think that if
>>>I'd been assesses as goofy then I'd have learned to ride goofy.
>>
>>I tend to agree. It's a completely new skill, that the body (brain,
>>really) has to learn. I've always thought the same about left-handed
>>guitar players - if you can't play the guitar at all, when you start,
>>neither handedness should be easier
>
>Not convinced. In general one's non-dominant hand is stronger, so for
>most right-handed people it's easier to fret using the left hand than
>the right.

Interesting. I think I do have slightly stronger muscles in places on
my left, which kind of supports that. But which hand has to be the
most dexterous? I would have thought, holding a guitar conventionally,
the left, with strumming a relatively simple task for the right, but
that kind of works against most people being right-handed. Then again,
it adds weight to the "left side forward" theory. I'm not a guitarist
though.

>For boarding, yeah, I dunno, but I would always stand with my left
>foot forward for anything like shooting, throwing a ball, which may
>have more to do with leverage or balance, but it would be a default
>starting position for anything.

Most right-handed people use their right eye to aim a rifle, so if you
are right handed (can't recall) then you would have to hold the weapon
right-handed, which means you'd either have a very weird stance (and a
very long left arm), or stand left foot forward.

--

-Pip

On 30/03/2023 23:05, Pipl wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:57:19 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 14:48:26 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 21:10:31 +0100, Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You definitely have a preference, whether you know it or not.
>>>
>>>> For walking or emergency balance, sure, as the snowboarding
>>>> "footedness" test shows. But you're strapped into a board facing
>>>> sideways, with your head and body a little twisted. I think that if
>>>> I'd been assesses as goofy then I'd have learned to ride goofy.
>>>
>>> I tend to agree. It's a completely new skill, that the body (brain,
>>> really) has to learn. I've always thought the same about left-handed
>>> guitar players - if you can't play the guitar at all, when you start,
>>> neither handedness should be easier
>>
>> Not convinced. In general one's non-dominant hand is stronger, so for
>> most right-handed people it's easier to fret using the left hand than
>> the right.
>
> Interesting. I think I do have slightly stronger muscles in places on
> my left, which kind of supports that. But which hand has to be the
> most dexterous? I would have thought, holding a guitar conventionally,
> the left, with strumming a relatively simple task for the right, but
> that kind of works against most people being right-handed. Then again,
> it adds weight to the "left side forward" theory. I'm not a guitarist
> though.
>
>> For boarding, yeah, I dunno, but I would always stand with my left
>> foot forward for anything like shooting, throwing a ball, which may
>> have more to do with leverage or balance, but it would be a default
>> starting position for anything.
>
> Most right-handed people use their right eye to aim a rifle, so if you
> are right handed (can't recall) then you would have to hold the weapon
> right-handed, which means you'd either have a very weird stance (and a
> very long left arm), or stand left foot forward.

Unless I had left-handed writing beaten out of me and I'd forgotten, I
tend to write right-handed, use an axe the safest stance, right or left
handed equally, use a right master eye shooting with shotgun (but now am
forced to to hold a gun on my right shoulder and an eyepatch on the left
eye), use a sighted gun from the right shoulder because I have a
pacemaker built into the left, longbow left-handed and most other tasks
riht-handed.

"It's a mixed up, muddled up, shook up world"

--
Rusty Hinge
"Except or Lola"

On 30/03/2023 14:48, Champ wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2023 21:10:31 +0100, Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> You definitely have a preference, whether you know it or not.
>
>> For walking or emergency balance, sure, as the snowboarding
>> "footedness" test shows. But you're strapped into a board facing
>> sideways, with your head and body a little twisted. I think that if
>> I'd been assesses as goofy then I'd have learned to ride goofy.
>
> I tend to agree. It's a completely new skill, that the body (brain,
> really) has to learn. I've always thought the same about left-handed
> guitar players - if you can't play the guitar at all, when you start,
> neither handedness should be easier

A guitarist I knew was left-handed but had learnt right-handed. For some
reason, he decided that he really ought to play left-handed, and in a
matter of weeks he'd bought a left-handed guitar and learnt. Impressive
- I once tried to play a left-handed bass and failed absolutely dismally.

On 30/03/2023 16:49, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
>
> On this point I do tend to agree with Champ that starting from scratch
> it should be do-able either way.  However, the Hendrixes (and
> McCartneys) of this world obviously disagree.  That being said,
> left-handed guitar players have their own sub-variants. There are
> lefties who simply turn a standard guitar (and chords) upside down.
> There are those who use a standard guitar and reverse the strings (which
> at least means the chord diagrams are mirror images) and also those who
> pay extortionate amounts for a left-handed guitar. (There may even be
> those using a lefty guitar with the strings 'upside down' - but I've not
> noticed any.)

Hendrix played both left-hand stringing and right-hand stringing (ie
both the right way up and upside down). I don't think there's a
particular price premium on l/h guitars, it's just a matter of whether a
particular model is made in both l/h and r/h forms.

> I am right handed - but even I was once told by an elderly master
> mariner that I tie turk's head knots 'left handed'!

I can't remember why, but a couple of years ago I was looking at
instructions for tying a shoelace. All the instructions (I looked at a
few, plus a Youtube video or two) had the hands reversed from the way I
do it, they all have the right hand holding the standing loop and the
left hand doing the clever stuff. Seems absolutely ridiculous to me.

On 30/03/2023 23:05, Pipl wrote:
>
> Interesting. I think I do have slightly stronger muscles in places on
> my left, which kind of supports that. But which hand has to be the
> most dexterous? I would have thought, holding a guitar conventionally,
> the left, with strumming a relatively simple task for the right, but
> that kind of works against most people being right-handed. Then again,
> it adds weight to the "left side forward" theory. I'm not a guitarist
> though.

For classical guitar, the right hand tends to have more precision work
to do as the strings must be plucked in the right sequence and in the
right time, while the left hand simply moves patterns plus the odd
hammer-on and pull-off. I don't think anyone envisaged thousand notes
per second death metal guitarists at the time the guitar was invented.
See also bowed instruments, where the greater dexterity (sorry) of the
right hand enables the bowing to be smooth (except when I try, of course).

On 31/03/2023 01:10, Mike Fleming wrote:
>
> For classical guitar, the right hand tends to have more precision work
> to do as the strings must be plucked in the right sequence and in the
> right time, while the left hand simply moves patterns plus the odd
> hammer-on and pull-off. I don't think anyone envisaged thousand notes
> per second death metal guitarists at the time the guitar was invented.
> See also bowed instruments, where the greater dexterity (sorry) of the
> right hand enables the bowing to be smooth (except when I try, of course).

Expect an unexpected report as soon as I can find someone who can
recognise a clarsach in its overcoat and will bring it downstairs with
them - I'll try to see whether it makes any difference to handedness -
as far as I'll be able to tell, as my sinisterity has been somewhat
affected by at least one stroke.

I can't see any reason why it should make a lot of difference as there's
only one way you *can* hold it innit.

Or is there?

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On 31/03/2023 01:06, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 30/03/2023 16:49, chrisnd @ukrm wrote:
>>
>> On this point I do tend to agree with Champ that starting from scratch
>> it should be do-able either way.  However, the Hendrixes (and
>> McCartneys) of this world obviously disagree.  That being said,
>> left-handed guitar players have their own sub-variants. There are
>> lefties who simply turn a standard guitar (and chords) upside down.
>> There are those who use a standard guitar and reverse the strings
>> (which at least means the chord diagrams are mirror images) and also
>> those who pay extortionate amounts for a left-handed guitar. (There
>> may even be those using a lefty guitar with the strings 'upside down'
>> - but I've not noticed any.)
>
> Hendrix played both left-hand stringing and right-hand stringing (ie
> both the right way up and upside down). I don't think there's a
> particular price premium on l/h guitars, it's just a matter of whether a
> particular model is made in both l/h and r/h forms.
>
>> I am right handed - but even I was once told by an elderly master
>> mariner that I tie turk's head knots 'left handed'!
>
> I can't remember why, but a couple of years ago I was looking at
> instructions for tying a shoelace. All the instructions (I looked at a
> few, plus a Youtube video or two) had the hands reversed from the way I
> do it, they all have the right hand holding the standing loop and the
> left hand doing the clever stuff. Seems absolutely ridiculous to me.

As long as you go 'right over left and then left over right or the
opposite it will stay tied. Otherwise it may well come undone.

A shoelace-type bow is a reef-knot on two bights.

--
Rusty Hinge
To err is human. To really foul things up requires a computer and the BOFH.

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:49:46 +0100, "chrisnd @ukrm"
<chrisnd@privacy.net> wrote:

>On 30/03/2023 15:57, Ace wrote:
>> In general one's non-dominant hand is stronger, so for
>> most right-handed people it's easier to fret using the left hand than
>> the right.
>
>Really? Surely one's non-dominant hand is the weaker? I might even
>argue that as some sort of definition!

When you hit two rocks together you'd tend to hold the big one with
your left hand and use the right ohand to hit it precisely with the
smaller rock.

Which hand do you use to try to unscrew a tight jar lid?

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 23:05:45 +0100, Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 16:57:19 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>>Not convinced. In general one's non-dominant hand is stronger, so for
>>most right-handed people it's easier to fret using the left hand than
>>the right.
>
>Interesting. I think I do have slightly stronger muscles in places on
>my left, which kind of supports that. But which hand has to be the
>most dexterous?

The right one needs to be able to select individual strings with
individual fingers in traditional 'classical' styles or finger-picking
like wot I do, or indeed the precise plectrum use of rock lead guitar
playing.

>I would have thought, holding a guitar conventionally,
>the left, with strumming a relatively simple task for the right,

Naah. Even if you're 'only' strumming it there's still a lot more
precision about which string(s) you hit first, which you hit hardest,
particularly so if using fingers rather than a pick.

>I'm not a guitarist though.

You don't say?

>>For boarding, yeah, I dunno, but I would always stand with my left
>>foot forward for anything like shooting, throwing a ball, which may
>>have more to do with leverage or balance, but it would be a default
>>starting position for anything.
>
>Most right-handed people use their right eye to aim a rifle,

Yeah, but why? I suspect that's a product of the way it's held, not
the reason. The stronger left hand/arm is supporting the weight of the
barrel, and the left foot is therefore forward to balance that.
Similarly for earlier weapons, be it a bow and arrow, with the left
hand again doing more of the work and the more precise right used for
aiming and timing the release, or a simple spear or stick where you
want to get maximum leverage for the more accurate right hand.

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On 31/03/2023 08:34, Ace wrote:
>
> Which hand do you use to try to unscrew a tight jar lid?

Hah. I've been told I was part of a study on handedness, in my
pre-school years. I don't remember it myself, but you'd get given things
like jars to open.

I did some one way, some the other. Didn't really help the study,
apparently.

When you're putting toothpaste on your toothbrush, which goes in which hand?

(I don't think about it, and do it either way, but I always actually use
the toothbrush with my right hand.)

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On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 09:53:15 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 23:05:45 +0100, Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:
>>Most right-handed people use their right eye to aim a rifle,
>
>Yeah, but why? I suspect that's a product of the way it's held, not
>the reason.

Don't think so - I certainly have a dominant right eye. Overly so, I
think; I have a lazy left eye. A swift Google suggests that eye
dominance does usually match handedness.

> The stronger left hand/arm is supporting the weight of the
>barrel, and the left foot is therefore forward to balance that.

That certainly, though it might not be about the strength - in my own
case, there is a difference but I doubt more than a few percent.

>Similarly for earlier weapons, be it a bow and arrow, with the left
>hand again doing more of the work and the more precise right used for
>aiming and timing the release, or a simple spear or stick where you
>want to get maximum leverage for the more accurate right hand.

Hmm, bow and arrow again you're sighting with the dominant eye, but
yes, I guess in all cases the natural stance is left foot forward.

Back to snowbording though: Champs' point about it being so different
from any other activities was what I was getting at; the skills needed
go way beyond a dominant eye or hand or even leg strength or
dexterity.

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-Pip

On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 09:46:17 +0100, Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:

>On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 09:53:15 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>>Similarly for earlier weapons, be it a bow and arrow, with the left
>>hand again doing more of the work and the more precise right used for
>>aiming and timing the release, or a simple spear or stick where you
>>want to get maximum leverage for the more accurate right hand.
>
>Hmm, bow and arrow again you're sighting with the dominant eye, but
>yes, I guess in all cases the natural stance is left foot forward.

You're assuming that the right eye is dominant in most right-handed
people. It would seem that although there is a positive correlation
but it's even lower than that between handedness and footedness, so
I'm incliced to stick with the strength/balance theory.

>Back to snowbording though: Champs' point about it being so different
>from any other activities was what I was getting at; the skills needed
>go way beyond a dominant eye or hand or even leg strength or
>dexterity.

Sure, but he's also said that his own switch riding is relatively ropy
so there clearly is an inherent preference. Whether or not it's based
on handed/footednessness was what I was wondering about.

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On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 11:22:39 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>Sure, but he's also said that his own switch riding is relatively ropy
>so there clearly is an inherent preference. Whether or not it's based
>on handed/footednessness was what I was wondering about.

So's mine (but maybe less so, from the discussion), but I first
learned to ride regular and that is the stance with which I have most
experience. Which brings us neatly back to the start....

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-Pip