Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
> On 19/10/21 4:49 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 19/10/2021 9:51 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 19/10/21 9:24 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:44:33 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know what
>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge as
>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>
>>>>> There are various reasons I wouldn't "go with it", most of which I
>>>>> probably mentioned in the "Microsnot is forcing us to buy new
>>>>> PC's!" thread. But I believe the web cam requirement hasn't been
>>>>> introduced right away, it's just something they're thinking of
>>>>> requiring for laptop installations in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> A quick web search for the "Edge as the only browser" issue
>>>>> indicates that the real issue might be that they've made it harder
>>>>> to change the "default" browser from Edge in W11. Sounds like
>>>>> typical M$ nonsense, but not nearly as bad as preventing other
>>>>> browsers from running at all.
>>>>>
>>>> Pretty much as I see things also.
>>>> When if this Computer gives up the ghost I will be buying another one.
>>>> Which no doubt will be loaded with WIN11
>>>
>>> I have but one desktop computer left running Window10. My newest laptop
>>> is never going to run Windows anything, it's a Macbook Air! ;-)
>>> It lets me use any browser I want but, truth be known, the Safari
>>> browser OS/X came with is more than up to the task.
>>
>> Apple are even worse than M$ do it their way or not at all.
>
> Well, they let me use my choice of alternative browser so it isn't all
> their way or the highway. And I can install alternative apps, like
> Audacity, Libre Office, VLC and more - all work and all can be set to
> default if desired.

Yep, that fool has never had a fucking clue.

> However, that said, I find the default browser, Safari, to be *better*
> than the alternatives.

I don’t, chrome leaves it for dead.

>>>> If I don't like it I should be able to do a clean install of WIN 10
>>>> over it.
>>>>
>>>> My computer before this was WINme and after it went way of dodo my
>>>> next was WIN 8, after that WIN 10 both crap
>>>> So I intend to have a WIN 10 iso along with WIN 10 actvation key to
>>>> piss it off if need be. Big cost is the software I own being
>>>> compatable

On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 15:47:50 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
wrote:

>On 19/10/2021 7:47 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:58:19 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 18/10/2021 2:56 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Well, yes Windows II (2) probably isn't compatible with whatever
>>>>> you're talking about. I can't say I've ever used it myself, but
>>>>> I think I did try running a program from it in Windows XP once
>>>>> after reading an article exploring the limits of Windows backwards
>>>>> compatibility.
>>>>>
>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know what
>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>
>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge as
>>>> the only browser.
>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>
>>> What a load of bullshit.
>>>
>> You sure about that?
>>
>https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/windows-11-the-ars-technica-review/
>
>This is what you got garbled about edge
>
>https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/switching-from-microsoft-edge-gets-more-annoying-in-windows-11/
>
If you like "Edge browser" and what ever Microsoft dumps your way?
Were just advising one makes sure they keep a Win10 back-up in case
Win11 does not agree with one!
--
Petzl
Only the Irish Leprignomes have remained aloof and their family
heritage remains pure and unconfused. Gnome watchers believe that the
reason for this stems from the unfortunate events that led to their
expulsion from the peat bogs of Ireland in the late 1700s. It is
thought that the ambitious Leprignomes encroached on the territorial
boundaries of the intellectually superior Leprechauns. The Grand
Legislature of Leprechauns banished the ringleaders of this audacious
uprising to Australia. As a parting gesture they cast such a powerful
spell on the Leprignomes that, even today, they remain too shy to
associate with other gnome species.

On 19/10/21 8:11 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>> On 19/10/21 4:49 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 19/10/2021 9:51 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 19/10/21 9:24 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:44:33 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know what
>>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge as
>>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are various reasons I wouldn't "go with it", most of which I
>>>>>> probably mentioned in the "Microsnot is forcing us to buy new
>>>>>> PC's!" thread. But I believe the web cam requirement hasn't been
>>>>>> introduced right away, it's just something they're thinking of
>>>>>> requiring for laptop installations in the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A quick web search for the "Edge as the only browser" issue
>>>>>> indicates that the real issue might be that they've made it harder
>>>>>> to change the "default" browser from Edge in W11. Sounds like
>>>>>> typical M$ nonsense, but not nearly as bad as preventing other
>>>>>> browsers from running at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Pretty much as I see things also.
>>>>> When if this Computer gives up the ghost I will be buying another one.
>>>>> Which no doubt will be loaded with WIN11
>>>>
>>>> I have but one desktop computer left running Window10. My newest
>>>> laptop is never going to run Windows anything, it's a Macbook Air!  ;-)
>>>> It lets me use any browser I want but, truth be known, the Safari
>>>> browser OS/X came with is more than up to the task.
>>>
>>> Apple are even worse than M$ do it their way or not at all.
>>
>> Well, they let me use my choice of alternative browser so it isn't all
>> their way or the highway. And I can install alternative apps, like
>> Audacity, Libre Office, VLC and more - all work and all can be set to
>> default if desired.
>
> Yep, that fool has never had a fucking clue.
>
>> However, that said, I find the default browser, Safari, to be *better*
>> than the alternatives.
>
> I don’t, chrome leaves it for dead.

I tried chrome, did not like it at all, personal preference I guess. I
tried Brave recently too, nah, not to my liking either. Still, I will
look at everything and give it a go.
>
>>>>> If I don't like it I should be able to do a clean install of WIN 10
>>>>> over it.
>>>>>
>>>>> My computer before this was WINme and after it went way of dodo my
>>>>> next was WIN 8, after that WIN 10 both crap
>>>>> So I intend to have a WIN 10 iso along with WIN 10 actvation key to
>>>>> piss it off if need be. Big cost is the software I own being
>>>>> compatable
>
>

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 19/10/21 8:41 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 15:47:50 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 19/10/2021 7:47 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:58:19 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 18/10/2021 2:56 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, yes Windows II (2) probably isn't compatible with whatever
>>>>>> you're talking about. I can't say I've ever used it myself, but
>>>>>> I think I did try running a program from it in Windows XP once
>>>>>> after reading an article exploring the limits of Windows backwards
>>>>>> compatibility.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know what
>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge as
>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>
>>>> What a load of bullshit.
>>>>
>>> You sure about that?
>>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/windows-11-the-ars-technica-review/
>>
>> This is what you got garbled about edge
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/switching-from-microsoft-edge-gets-more-annoying-in-windows-11/
>>
> If you like "Edge browser" and what ever Microsoft dumps your way?
> Were just advising one makes sure they keep a Win10 back-up in case
> Win11 does not agree with one!
>

I abhor the Edge Browser. Why can't M$ learn, if something works, don't
dick with it. M$ consistently inconsistent UI is one of the (many)
reasons I forsook Windoze.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>> On 19/10/21 4:49 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 19/10/2021 9:51 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 19/10/21 9:24 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:44:33 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge as
>>>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are various reasons I wouldn't "go with it", most of which I
>>>>>>> probably mentioned in the "Microsnot is forcing us to buy new
>>>>>>> PC's!" thread. But I believe the web cam requirement hasn't been
>>>>>>> introduced right away, it's just something they're thinking of
>>>>>>> requiring for laptop installations in the future.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A quick web search for the "Edge as the only browser" issue
>>>>>>> indicates that the real issue might be that they've made it harder
>>>>>>> to change the "default" browser from Edge in W11. Sounds like
>>>>>>> typical M$ nonsense, but not nearly as bad as preventing other
>>>>>>> browsers from running at all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Pretty much as I see things also.
>>>>>> When if this Computer gives up the ghost I will be buying another
>>>>>> one.
>>>>>> Which no doubt will be loaded with WIN11
>>>>>
>>>>> I have but one desktop computer left running Window10. My newest
>>>>> laptop is never going to run Windows anything, it's a Macbook Air!
>>>>> ;-)
>>>>> It lets me use any browser I want but, truth be known, the Safari
>>>>> browser OS/X came with is more than up to the task.
>>>>
>>>> Apple are even worse than M$ do it their way or not at all.
>>>
>>> Well, they let me use my choice of alternative browser so it isn't all
>>> their way or the highway. And I can install alternative apps, like
>>> Audacity, Libre Office, VLC and more - all work and all can be set to
>>> default if desired.
>>
>> Yep, that fool has never had a fucking clue.
>>
>>> However, that said, I find the default browser, Safari, to be *better*
>>> than the alternatives.
>>
>> I don’t, chrome leaves it for dead.
>
> I tried chrome, did not like it at all,

So what do you believe Safari does better ?

> personal preference I guess. I tried Brave recently too, nah, not to my
> liking either.

Yeah that damned thing wont let me use some
sites I use all the time like the Woolys site.

> Still, I will look at everything and give it a go.

>>>>>> If I don't like it I should be able to do a clean install of WIN 10
>>>>>> over it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My computer before this was WINme and after it went way of dodo my
>>>>>> next was WIN 8, after that WIN 10 both crap
>>>>>> So I intend to have a WIN 10 iso along with WIN 10 actvation key to
>>>>>> piss it off if need be. Big cost is the software I own being
>>>>>> compatable

On 18/10/2021 3:56 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>
>> Well, yes Windows II (2) probably isn't compatible with whatever
>> you're talking about. I can't say I've ever used it myself, but
>> I think I did try running a program from it in Windows XP once
>> after reading an article exploring the limits of Windows backwards
>> compatibility.
>>
>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know what
>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>
> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge as
> the only browser.
> If you think thats OK go with it

fuck M$! they said windows 10 would be the last windows EVER. now
they've introduced win11 which is incompatible with many older PC's.
this PC i'm using is probably over 10 years old, maybe even 15 years
old, I can't remember when I built it, and running windoze10, and does
everything I need, including gaming. there's really no need to keep
updating PC's if M$ didn't force us to!

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 19/10/2021 10:05 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 19/10/21 8:41 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 15:47:50 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/10/2021 7:47 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:58:19 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 18/10/2021 2:56 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, yes Windows II (2) probably isn't compatible with whatever
>>>>>>> you're talking about. I can't say I've ever used it myself, but
>>>>>>> I think I did try running a program from it in Windows XP once
>>>>>>> after reading an article exploring the limits of Windows backwards
>>>>>>> compatibility.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know what
>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge as
>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>>
>>>>> What a load of bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>> You sure about that?
>>>>
>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/windows-11-the-ars-technica-review/
>>>
>>>
>>> This is what you got garbled about edge
>>>
>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/switching-from-microsoft-edge-gets-more-annoying-in-windows-11/
>>>
>>>
>> If you like "Edge browser" and what ever Microsoft dumps your way?
>> Were just advising one makes sure they keep a Win10 back-up in case
>> Win11 does not agree with one!
>>
>
> I abhor the Edge Browser. Why can't M$ learn, if something works,
> don't dick with it. M$ consistently inconsistent UI is one of the
> (many) reasons I forsook Windoze.
>

my liege,  thou forsookeh it! I avoid using M$ products wherever
possible but do use a windoze computer. I know ur a mac man.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 19/10/2021 4:41 am, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am Mon, 18 Oct 2021 15:56:32 +1100
> schrieb Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com>:
>
>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge as
> This is wrong - at least at this time.
> Windows 10 doesn't even requires a Webcam.
> You can also install another browser (I tried Pale Moon) and set it as
> default.
>

I use Brave. best browser i've found to date.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 19/10/2021 8:44 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know what
>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>
>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge as
>> the only browser.
>> If you think thats OK go with it
> There are various reasons I wouldn't "go with it", most of which I
> probably mentioned in the "Microsnot is forcing us to buy new
> PC's!" thread. But I believe the web cam requirement hasn't been
> introduced right away, it's just something they're thinking of
> requiring for laptop installations in the future.

If M$ always gave us options to use other programs, instead of forcing
us to use theirs, or trying to, ppl wouldn't hate them so much.

>
> A quick web search for the "Edge as the only browser" issue
> indicates that the real issue might be that they've made it harder
> to change the "default" browser from Edge in W11. Sounds like
> typical M$ nonsense, but not nearly as bad as preventing other
> browsers from running at all.
>

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 20/10/2021 12:59 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>>> On 19/10/21 4:49 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 19/10/2021 9:51 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/10/21 9:24 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:44:33 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't
>>>>>>>>>> know what
>>>>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and
>>>>>>>>> Edge as
>>>>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are various reasons I wouldn't "go with it", most of which I
>>>>>>>> probably mentioned in the "Microsnot is forcing us to buy new
>>>>>>>> PC's!" thread. But I believe the web cam requirement hasn't been
>>>>>>>> introduced right away, it's just something they're thinking of
>>>>>>>> requiring for laptop installations in the future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A quick web search for the "Edge as the only browser" issue
>>>>>>>> indicates that the real issue might be that they've made it harder
>>>>>>>> to change the "default" browser from Edge in W11. Sounds like
>>>>>>>> typical M$ nonsense, but not nearly as bad as preventing other
>>>>>>>> browsers from running at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pretty much as I see things also.
>>>>>>> When if this Computer gives up the ghost I will be buying
>>>>>>> another one.
>>>>>>> Which no doubt will be loaded with WIN11
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have but one desktop computer left running Window10. My newest
>>>>>> laptop is never going to run Windows anything, it's a Macbook
>>>>>> Air! ;-)
>>>>>> It lets me use any browser I want but, truth be known, the Safari
>>>>>> browser OS/X came with is more than up to the task.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple are even worse than M$ do it their way or not at all.
>>>>
>>>> Well, they let me use my choice of alternative browser so it isn't
>>>> all their way or the highway. And I can install alternative apps,
>>>> like Audacity, Libre Office, VLC and more - all work and all can be
>>>> set to default if desired.
>>>
>>> Yep, that fool has never had a fucking clue.
>>>
>>>> However, that said, I find the default browser, Safari, to be
>>>> *better* than the alternatives.
>>>
>>> I don’t, chrome leaves it for dead.
>>
>> I tried chrome, did not like it at all,
>
> So what do you believe Safari does better ?
>
>> personal preference I guess. I tried Brave recently too, nah, not to
>> my liking either.
>
> Yeah that damned thing wont let me use some
> sites I use all the time like the Woolys site.

corse it does. have you installed webvine extension?

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 19/10/2021 1:00 pm, Max wrote:
> On 19/10/2021 8:52 am, Petzl wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 05:33:51 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Marco Moock <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote
>>>> schrieb Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>>> Pay to get the Windows 10 install now for future use
>>>
>>>> Why should I?
>>>
>>>> I can just save the ISO files Microsoft offers for free. You just need
>>>> to save your keys. If Windows 8 or 10 was preinstalled, these are
>>>> saved
>>>> in an UEFI variable you can read out.
>>>
>>> I assumed he meant that it might be a good idea to get the iso now
>>> in case you might need it later. Not that you should spend any money.
>>>
>>> I realise that english isn't likely to be your first language.
>>>
>>> Corse it remains to be seen how long the iso continues to work for.
>>>
>> OK if one likes WIN 11
>> When WIN 10 came out many wanted WIN 7 not the downgade WIN 10.
>> Should not be hard to get the ISO and copy your existing key to unlock
>> it.
>> get your existing windows key with this freeware
>> https://neosmart.net/OemKey/
>> Windows 10 OEM Product Key Tool Links
>>
>
> Everyone wants to carry on using what they have because it's a stable
> system.
>
> Microsoft allows organisations to buy extended support, but normal
> consumers can't do this, so we are just the guniea pigs.  You just
> have to accept this.
>

yes true

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 19/10/2021 11:59 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>>> On 19/10/21 4:49 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 19/10/2021 9:51 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/10/21 9:24 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:44:33 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and
>>>>>>>>> Edge as
>>>>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are various reasons I wouldn't "go with it", most of which I
>>>>>>>> probably mentioned in the "Microsnot is forcing us to buy new
>>>>>>>> PC's!" thread. But I believe the web cam requirement hasn't been
>>>>>>>> introduced right away, it's just something they're thinking of
>>>>>>>> requiring for laptop installations in the future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A quick web search for the "Edge as the only browser" issue
>>>>>>>> indicates that the real issue might be that they've made it harder
>>>>>>>> to change the "default" browser from Edge in W11. Sounds like
>>>>>>>> typical M$ nonsense, but not nearly as bad as preventing other
>>>>>>>> browsers from running at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pretty much as I see things also.
>>>>>>> When if this Computer gives up the ghost I will be buying another
>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>> Which no doubt will be loaded with WIN11
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have but one desktop computer left running Window10. My newest
>>>>>> laptop is never going to run Windows anything, it's a Macbook Air!
>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>> It lets me use any browser I want but, truth be known, the Safari
>>>>>> browser OS/X came with is more than up to the task.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple are even worse than M$ do it their way or not at all.
>>>>
>>>> Well, they let me use my choice of alternative browser so it isn't
>>>> all their way or the highway. And I can install alternative apps,
>>>> like Audacity, Libre Office, VLC and more - all work and all can be
>>>> set to default if desired.
>>>
>>> Yep, that fool has never had a fucking clue.
>>>
>>>> However, that said, I find the default browser, Safari, to be
>>>> *better* than the alternatives.
>>>
>>> I don’t, chrome leaves it for dead.
>>
>> I tried chrome, did not like it at all,
>
> So what do you believe Safari does better ?
>
>> personal preference I guess. I tried Brave recently too, nah, not to
>> my liking either.
>
> Yeah that damned thing wont let me use some
> sites I use all the time like the Woolys site.

No problem with Brave here, Woolies site works just fine.

>> Still, I will look at everything and give it a go.
>
>>>>>>> If I don't like it I should be able to do a clean install of WIN 10
>>>>>>> over it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My computer before this was WINme and after it went way of dodo my
>>>>>>> next was WIN 8, after that WIN 10 both crap
>>>>>>> So I intend to have a WIN 10 iso along with WIN 10 actvation key to
>>>>>>> piss it off if need be. Big cost is the software I own being
>>>>>>> compatable
>
>

On 19/10/2021 7:41 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 15:47:50 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 19/10/2021 7:47 am, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:58:19 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 18/10/2021 2:56 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, yes Windows II (2) probably isn't compatible with whatever
>>>>>> you're talking about. I can't say I've ever used it myself, but
>>>>>> I think I did try running a program from it in Windows XP once
>>>>>> after reading an article exploring the limits of Windows backwards
>>>>>> compatibility.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know what
>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge as
>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>
>>>> What a load of bullshit.
>>>>
>>> You sure about that?
>>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/windows-11-the-ars-technica-review/
>>
>> This is what you got garbled about edge
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/switching-from-microsoft-edge-gets-more-annoying-in-windows-11/
>>
> If you like "Edge browser" and what ever Microsoft dumps your way?
> Were just advising one makes sure they keep a Win10 back-up in case
> Win11 does not agree with one!
>

did you not read the article? You don't have to use the edge browser.

On 19/10/2021 4:26 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 19/10/21 4:49 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 19/10/2021 9:51 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 19/10/21 9:24 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:44:33 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know what
>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge as
>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>
>>>>> There are various reasons I wouldn't "go with it", most of which I
>>>>> probably mentioned in the "Microsnot is forcing us to buy new
>>>>> PC's!" thread. But I believe the web cam requirement hasn't been
>>>>> introduced right away, it's just something they're thinking of
>>>>> requiring for laptop installations in the future.
>>>>>
>>>>> A quick web search for the "Edge as the only browser" issue
>>>>> indicates that the real issue might be that they've made it harder
>>>>> to change the "default" browser from Edge in W11. Sounds like
>>>>> typical M$ nonsense, but not nearly as bad as preventing other
>>>>> browsers from running at all.
>>>>>
>>>> Pretty much as I see things also.
>>>> When if this Computer gives up the ghost I will be buying another one.
>>>> Which no doubt will be loaded with WIN11
>>>
>>> I have but one desktop computer left running Window10. My newest
>>> laptop is never going to run Windows anything, it's a Macbook Air!  ;-)
>>> It lets me use any browser I want but, truth be known, the Safari
>>> browser OS/X came with is more than up to the task.
>>
>> Apple are even worse than M$ do it their way or not at all.
>
> Well, they let me use my choice of alternative browser so it isn't all
> their way or the highway. And I can install alternative apps, like
> Audacity, Libre Office, VLC and more - all work and all can be set to
> default if desired. However, that said, I find the default browser,
> Safari, to be *better* than the alternatives.
>>
>>>> If I don't like it I should be able to do a clean install of WIN 10
>>>> over it.
>>>>
>>>> My computer before this was WINme and after it went way of dodo my
>>>> next was WIN 8, after that WIN 10 both crap
>>>> So I intend to have a WIN 10 iso along with WIN 10 actvation key to
>>>> piss it off if need be. Big cost is the software I own being
>>>> compatable

Here's something that you fanbois can't be without

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/shipping-times-for-apples-19-polishing-cloth-slip-to-late-november/

Note that's USD19 I.E. $A25.40 for a piece of microfibre cloth - classic
Apple.

On 20/10/2021 4:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 19/10/2021 8:44 am, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know what
>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>
>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge as
>>> the only browser.
>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>> There are various reasons I wouldn't "go with it", most of which I
>> probably mentioned in the "Microsnot is forcing us to buy new
>> PC's!" thread. But I believe the web cam requirement hasn't been
>> introduced right away, it's just something they're thinking of
>> requiring for laptop installations in the future.
>
>
> If M$ always gave us options to use other programs, instead of forcing
> us to use theirs, or trying to, ppl wouldn't hate them so much.

Exactly what does M$ force you to use?

On 20/10/2021 4:43 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 18/10/2021 3:56 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>
>>> Well, yes Windows II (2) probably isn't compatible with whatever
>>> you're talking about. I can't say I've ever used it myself, but
>>> I think I did try running a program from it in Windows XP once
>>> after reading an article exploring the limits of Windows backwards
>>> compatibility.
>>>
>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know what
>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>
>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge as
>> the only browser.
>> If you think thats OK go with it
>
>
> fuck M$! they said windows 10 would be the last windows EVER. now
> they've introduced win11 which is incompatible with many older PC's.
> this PC i'm using is probably over 10 years old, maybe even 15 years
> old, I can't remember when I built it, and running windoze10, and does
> everything I need, including gaming. there's really no need to keep
> updating PC's if M$ didn't force us to!
>
So don't update (well there is nothing to worry about since you can't
anyway)

On 20/10/21 12:59 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>>> On 19/10/21 4:49 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 19/10/2021 9:51 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/10/21 9:24 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:44:33 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and
>>>>>>>>> Edge as
>>>>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There are various reasons I wouldn't "go with it", most of which I
>>>>>>>> probably mentioned in the "Microsnot is forcing us to buy new
>>>>>>>> PC's!" thread. But I believe the web cam requirement hasn't been
>>>>>>>> introduced right away, it's just something they're thinking of
>>>>>>>> requiring for laptop installations in the future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A quick web search for the "Edge as the only browser" issue
>>>>>>>> indicates that the real issue might be that they've made it harder
>>>>>>>> to change the "default" browser from Edge in W11. Sounds like
>>>>>>>> typical M$ nonsense, but not nearly as bad as preventing other
>>>>>>>> browsers from running at all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pretty much as I see things also.
>>>>>>> When if this Computer gives up the ghost I will be buying another
>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>> Which no doubt will be loaded with WIN11
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have but one desktop computer left running Window10. My newest
>>>>>> laptop is never going to run Windows anything, it's a Macbook Air!
>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>> It lets me use any browser I want but, truth be known, the Safari
>>>>>> browser OS/X came with is more than up to the task.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apple are even worse than M$ do it their way or not at all.
>>>>
>>>> Well, they let me use my choice of alternative browser so it isn't
>>>> all their way or the highway. And I can install alternative apps,
>>>> like Audacity, Libre Office, VLC and more - all work and all can be
>>>> set to default if desired.
>>>
>>> Yep, that fool has never had a fucking clue.
>>>
>>>> However, that said, I find the default browser, Safari, to be
>>>> *better* than the alternatives.
>>>
>>> I don’t, chrome leaves it for dead.
>>
>> I tried chrome, did not like it at all,
>
> So what do you believe Safari does better ?

UI familiarity, works the way I like and the way I am used to.
>
>> personal preference I guess. I tried Brave recently too, nah, not to
>> my liking either.
>
> Yeah that damned thing wont let me use some
> sites I use all the time like the Woolys site.
>
>> Still, I will look at everything and give it a go.
>
>>>>>>> If I don't like it I should be able to do a clean install of WIN 10
>>>>>>> over it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My computer before this was WINme and after it went way of dodo my
>>>>>>> next was WIN 8, after that WIN 10 both crap
>>>>>>> So I intend to have a WIN 10 iso along with WIN 10 actvation key to
>>>>>>> piss it off if need be. Big cost is the software I own being
>>>>>>> compatable
>
>

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:39:56 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
wrote:

>On 19/10/2021 7:41 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 15:47:50 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/10/2021 7:47 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:58:19 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 18/10/2021 2:56 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, yes Windows II (2) probably isn't compatible with whatever
>>>>>>> you're talking about. I can't say I've ever used it myself, but
>>>>>>> I think I did try running a program from it in Windows XP once
>>>>>>> after reading an article exploring the limits of Windows backwards
>>>>>>> compatibility.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know what
>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge as
>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>>
>>>>> What a load of bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>> You sure about that?
>>>>
>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/windows-11-the-ars-technica-review/
>>>
>>> This is what you got garbled about edge
>>>
>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/switching-from-microsoft-edge-gets-more-annoying-in-windows-11/
>>>
>> If you like "Edge browser" and what ever Microsoft dumps your way?
>> Were just advising one makes sure they keep a Win10 back-up in case
>> Win11 does not agree with one!
>
>did you not read the article? You don't have to use the edge browser.
>
I read it but just opinion.

Others I read claim MS will insist on the use of their exclusive MS
products

Until it arrives no one knows
If you run WIN10 you need to do this often

This can take some time
In the search box on the taskbar, type Command Prompt, and right-click
or press and hold Command Prompt (Desktop app) from the list of
results. Select Run as administrator, and then select Yes.

Type DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth (note the space
before each "/"), and then press Enter. (Note: This step may take a
few minutes to start and up to 30 minutes to complete.)

After you see a message that says "The operation completed
successfully," type sfc /scannow (note the space between "sfc" and
"/") and press Enter.

After you see a message that says, "Verification 100% complete," type
exit.
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

On 20/10/21 5:50 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 19/10/2021 10:05 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 19/10/21 8:41 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 15:47:50 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 19/10/2021 7:47 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:58:19 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18/10/2021 2:56 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, yes Windows II (2) probably isn't compatible with whatever
>>>>>>>> you're talking about. I can't say I've ever used it myself, but
>>>>>>>> I think I did try running a program from it in Windows XP once
>>>>>>>> after reading an article exploring the limits of Windows backwards
>>>>>>>> compatibility.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know what
>>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge as
>>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a load of bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You sure about that?
>>>>>
>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/windows-11-the-ars-technica-review/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is what you got garbled about edge
>>>>
>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/switching-from-microsoft-edge-gets-more-annoying-in-windows-11/
>>>>
>>>>
>>> If you like "Edge browser" and what ever Microsoft dumps your way?
>>> Were just advising one makes sure they keep a Win10 back-up in case
>>> Win11 does not agree with one!
>>>
>>
>> I abhor the Edge Browser. Why can't M$ learn, if something works,
>> don't dick with it. M$ consistently inconsistent UI is one of the
>> (many) reasons I forsook Windoze.
>>
>
> my liege,  thou forsookeh it! I avoid using M$ products wherever
> possible but do use a windoze computer. I know ur a mac man.
>
Not entirely Mac. I have a Windoze machine on hand in the other room,
one of the earliest Intel Quadcores, a Core 2 Quad Q6700, still runs and
on Win10. Might have another Win box in the cupboard running Win7 with a
Core 2 Quad Q6600 circa early 2007, but I'd have to drag it out and fire
it up to be sure. I paid a lot of money for that Quadcore when they
first came out. I was the first in my coterie of like minded computer
geek friends to have one and when I demonstrated it at a monthly
meeting, blew them all away. Next month I was no longer the sole
quadcore owner, they had all gone out and upgraded to a quadcore. Linux
Box in the same cupboard alongside a *spare* Mac Pro. FWIW, the *only*
reason I have any Win Boxen on hand at all is to run the odd program for
which I don't have a Mac version and to archive my email. Email archive
dates back some 25 years.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 20/10/21 8:45 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 19/10/2021 4:26 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 19/10/21 4:49 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 19/10/2021 9:51 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 19/10/21 9:24 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:44:33 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know what
>>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge as
>>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are various reasons I wouldn't "go with it", most of which I
>>>>>> probably mentioned in the "Microsnot is forcing us to buy new
>>>>>> PC's!" thread. But I believe the web cam requirement hasn't been
>>>>>> introduced right away, it's just something they're thinking of
>>>>>> requiring for laptop installations in the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A quick web search for the "Edge as the only browser" issue
>>>>>> indicates that the real issue might be that they've made it harder
>>>>>> to change the "default" browser from Edge in W11. Sounds like
>>>>>> typical M$ nonsense, but not nearly as bad as preventing other
>>>>>> browsers from running at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Pretty much as I see things also.
>>>>> When if this Computer gives up the ghost I will be buying another one.
>>>>> Which no doubt will be loaded with WIN11
>>>>
>>>> I have but one desktop computer left running Window10. My newest
>>>> laptop is never going to run Windows anything, it's a Macbook Air!  ;-)
>>>> It lets me use any browser I want but, truth be known, the Safari
>>>> browser OS/X came with is more than up to the task.
>>>
>>> Apple are even worse than M$ do it their way or not at all.
>>
>> Well, they let me use my choice of alternative browser so it isn't all
>> their way or the highway. And I can install alternative apps, like
>> Audacity, Libre Office, VLC and more - all work and all can be set to
>> default if desired. However, that said, I find the default browser,
>> Safari, to be *better* than the alternatives.
>>>
>>>>> If I don't like it I should be able to do a clean install of WIN 10
>>>>> over it.
>>>>>
>>>>> My computer before this was WINme and after it went way of dodo my
>>>>> next was WIN 8, after that WIN 10 both crap
>>>>> So I intend to have a WIN 10 iso along with WIN 10 actvation key to
>>>>> piss it off if need be. Big cost is the software I own being
>>>>> compatable
>
> Here's something that you fanbois can't be without
>
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/shipping-times-for-apples-19-polishing-cloth-slip-to-late-november/
>
>
> Note that's USD19 I.E. $A25.40 for a piece of microfibre cloth - classic
> Apple.
>
Hmmm, never needed one! My Mac naturally sheds dirt! ;-)

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>>>> On 19/10/21 4:49 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/10/2021 9:51 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 19/10/21 9:24 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:44:33 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>>>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There are various reasons I wouldn't "go with it", most of which I
>>>>>>>>> probably mentioned in the "Microsnot is forcing us to buy new
>>>>>>>>> PC's!" thread. But I believe the web cam requirement hasn't been
>>>>>>>>> introduced right away, it's just something they're thinking of
>>>>>>>>> requiring for laptop installations in the future.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A quick web search for the "Edge as the only browser" issue
>>>>>>>>> indicates that the real issue might be that they've made it harder
>>>>>>>>> to change the "default" browser from Edge in W11. Sounds like
>>>>>>>>> typical M$ nonsense, but not nearly as bad as preventing other
>>>>>>>>> browsers from running at all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Pretty much as I see things also.
>>>>>>>> When if this Computer gives up the ghost I will be buying another
>>>>>>>> one.
>>>>>>>> Which no doubt will be loaded with WIN11
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have but one desktop computer left running Window10. My newest
>>>>>>> laptop is never going to run Windows anything, it's a Macbook Air!
>>>>>>> ;-)
>>>>>>> It lets me use any browser I want but, truth be known, the Safari
>>>>>>> browser OS/X came with is more than up to the task.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple are even worse than M$ do it their way or not at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, they let me use my choice of alternative browser so it isn't all
>>>>> their way or the highway. And I can install alternative apps, like
>>>>> Audacity, Libre Office, VLC and more - all work and all can be set to
>>>>> default if desired.
>>>>
>>>> Yep, that fool has never had a fucking clue.
>>>>
>>>>> However, that said, I find the default browser, Safari, to be *better*
>>>>> than the alternatives.
>>>>
>>>> I don’t, chrome leaves it for dead.
>>>
>>> I tried chrome, did not like it at all,
>>
>> So what do you believe Safari does better ?
>>
>>> personal preference I guess. I tried Brave recently too, nah, not to my
>>> liking either.
>>
>> Yeah that damned thing wont let me use some
>> sites I use all the time like the Woolys site.

> corse it does.

I meant it doesn’t let me use it effortlessly.

> have you installed webvine extension?

Not interested in having to fart around to use
very common and innocuous sites like that.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>> Petzl wrote
>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>>> not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, yes Windows II (2) probably isn't compatible with whatever
>>>>>>>> you're talking about. I can't say I've ever used it myself, but
>>>>>>>> I think I did try running a program from it in Windows XP once
>>>>>>>> after reading an article exploring the limits of Windows backwards
>>>>>>>> compatibility.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know what
>>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge as
>>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a load of bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You sure about that?
>>>>>
>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/windows-11-the-ars-technica-review/
>>>>
>>>> This is what you got garbled about edge
>>>>
>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/switching-from-microsoft-edge-gets-more-annoying-in-windows-11/
>>>>
>>> If you like "Edge browser" and what ever Microsoft dumps your way?
>>> Were just advising one makes sure they keep a Win10 back-up in case
>>> Win11 does not agree with one!
>>
>>did you not read the article? You don't have to use the edge browser.
>>
> I read it but just opinion.
>
> Others I read claim MS will insist on the use of their exclusive MS
> products

Just mindless MS hater bullshit and lies. There is
no way that they can know what MS plans to do.

> Until it arrives no one knows
> If you run WIN10 you need to do this often
>
> This can take some time
> In the search box on the taskbar, type Command Prompt, and right-click
> or press and hold Command Prompt (Desktop app) from the list of
> results. Select Run as administrator, and then select Yes.
>
> Type DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth (note the space
> before each "/"), and then press Enter. (Note: This step may take a
> few minutes to start and up to 30 minutes to complete.)
>
> After you see a message that says "The operation completed
> successfully," type sfc /scannow (note the space between "sfc" and
> "/") and press Enter.
>
> After you see a message that says, "Verification 100% complete," type
> exit.

You don't in fact need to do that at all, let alone often.

On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 05:15:15 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>> Petzl wrote
>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>>>> not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, yes Windows II (2) probably isn't compatible with whatever
>>>>>>>>> you're talking about. I can't say I've ever used it myself, but
>>>>>>>>> I think I did try running a program from it in Windows XP once
>>>>>>>>> after reading an article exploring the limits of Windows backwards
>>>>>>>>> compatibility.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know what
>>>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge as
>>>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What a load of bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> You sure about that?
>>>>>>
>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/windows-11-the-ars-technica-review/
>>>>>
>>>>> This is what you got garbled about edge
>>>>>
>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/switching-from-microsoft-edge-gets-more-annoying-in-windows-11/
>>>>>
>>>> If you like "Edge browser" and what ever Microsoft dumps your way?
>>>> Were just advising one makes sure they keep a Win10 back-up in case
>>>> Win11 does not agree with one!
>>>
>>>did you not read the article? You don't have to use the edge browser.
>>>
>> I read it but just opinion.
>>
>> Others I read claim MS will insist on the use of their exclusive MS
>> products
>
>Just mindless MS hater bullshit and lies. There is
>no way that they can know what MS plans to do.
>
>> Until it arrives no one knows
>> If you run WIN10 you need to do this often
>>
>> This can take some time
>> In the search box on the taskbar, type Command Prompt, and right-click
>> or press and hold Command Prompt (Desktop app) from the list of
>> results. Select Run as administrator, and then select Yes.
>>
>> Type DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth (note the space
>> before each "/"), and then press Enter. (Note: This step may take a
>> few minutes to start and up to 30 minutes to complete.)
>>
>> After you see a message that says "The operation completed
>> successfully," type sfc /scannow (note the space between "sfc" and
>> "/") and press Enter.
>>
>> After you see a message that says, "Verification 100% complete," type
>> exit.
>
>You don't in fact need to do that at all, let alone often.
>
Never before WIN10, but yes with Win 10, everyone who finds programs
becoming buggy doing this so far fixes it
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 09:39:39 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> If you run WIN10 you need to do this often
>>>
>>> This can take some time
>>> In the search box on the taskbar, type Command Prompt, and right-click
>>> or press and hold Command Prompt (Desktop app) from the list of
>>> results. Select Run as administrator, and then select Yes.
>>>
>>> Type DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth (note the space
>>> before each "/"), and then press Enter. (Note: This step may take a
>>> few minutes to start and up to 30 minutes to complete.)
>>>
>>> After you see a message that says "The operation completed
>>> successfully," type sfc /scannow (note the space between "sfc" and
>>> "/") and press Enter.
>>>
>>> After you see a message that says, "Verification 100% complete," type
>>> exit.
>>
>>You don't in fact need to do that at all, let alone often.
>>
>Never before WIN10, but yes with Win 10, everyone who finds programs
>becoming buggy doing this so far fixes it
>
Just yesterday my neighbour was having WIN10 64bit problems fixed them
with above instructions takes a fair while so come back in 30 minutes
or even more.

Screen grab of results Don't forget to type EXIT!
https://ibb.co/v4YKrp5
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>>>>> not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, yes Windows II (2) probably isn't compatible with whatever
>>>>>>>>>> you're talking about. I can't say I've ever used it myself, but
>>>>>>>>>> I think I did try running a program from it in Windows XP once
>>>>>>>>>> after reading an article exploring the limits of Windows
>>>>>>>>>> backwards
>>>>>>>>>> compatibility.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What a load of bullshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You sure about that?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/windows-11-the-ars-technica-review/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is what you got garbled about edge
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/switching-from-microsoft-edge-gets-more-annoying-in-windows-11/
>>>>>>
>>>>> If you like "Edge browser" and what ever Microsoft dumps your way?
>>>>> Were just advising one makes sure they keep a Win10 back-up in case
>>>>> Win11 does not agree with one!
>>>>
>>>>did you not read the article? You don't have to use the edge browser.
>>>>
>>> I read it but just opinion.
>>>
>>> Others I read claim MS will insist on the use of their exclusive MS
>>> products
>>
>>Just mindless MS hater bullshit and lies. There is
>>no way that they can know what MS plans to do.
>>
>>> Until it arrives no one knows
>>> If you run WIN10 you need to do this often
>>>
>>> This can take some time
>>> In the search box on the taskbar, type Command Prompt, and right-click
>>> or press and hold Command Prompt (Desktop app) from the list of
>>> results. Select Run as administrator, and then select Yes.
>>>
>>> Type DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth (note the space
>>> before each "/"), and then press Enter. (Note: This step may take a
>>> few minutes to start and up to 30 minutes to complete.)
>>>
>>> After you see a message that says "The operation completed
>>> successfully," type sfc /scannow (note the space between "sfc" and
>>> "/") and press Enter.
>>>
>>> After you see a message that says, "Verification 100% complete," type
>>> exit.
>>
>>You don't in fact need to do that at all, let alone often.

> Never before WIN10, but yes with Win 10, everyone who
> finds programs becoming buggy doing this so far fixes it

But fuck all need to do that with Win10.