On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 15:35:20 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>>>>>> not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, yes Windows II (2) probably isn't compatible with whatever
>>>>>>>>>>> you're talking about. I can't say I've ever used it myself, but
>>>>>>>>>>> I think I did try running a program from it in Windows XP once
>>>>>>>>>>> after reading an article exploring the limits of Windows
>>>>>>>>>>> backwards
>>>>>>>>>>> compatibility.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge
>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What a load of bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You sure about that?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/windows-11-the-ars-technica-review/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is what you got garbled about edge
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/switching-from-microsoft-edge-gets-more-annoying-in-windows-11/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you like "Edge browser" and what ever Microsoft dumps your way?
>>>>>> Were just advising one makes sure they keep a Win10 back-up in case
>>>>>> Win11 does not agree with one!
>>>>>
>>>>>did you not read the article? You don't have to use the edge browser.
>>>>>
>>>> I read it but just opinion.
>>>>
>>>> Others I read claim MS will insist on the use of their exclusive MS
>>>> products
>>>
>>>Just mindless MS hater bullshit and lies. There is
>>>no way that they can know what MS plans to do.
>>>
>>>> Until it arrives no one knows
>>>> If you run WIN10 you need to do this often
>>>>
>>>> This can take some time
>>>> In the search box on the taskbar, type Command Prompt, and right-click
>>>> or press and hold Command Prompt (Desktop app) from the list of
>>>> results. Select Run as administrator, and then select Yes.
>>>>
>>>> Type DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth (note the space
>>>> before each "/"), and then press Enter. (Note: This step may take a
>>>> few minutes to start and up to 30 minutes to complete.)
>>>>
>>>> After you see a message that says "The operation completed
>>>> successfully," type sfc /scannow (note the space between "sfc" and
>>>> "/") and press Enter.
>>>>
>>>> After you see a message that says, "Verification 100% complete," type
>>>> exit.
>>>
>>>You don't in fact need to do that at all, let alone often.
>
>> Never before WIN10, but yes with Win 10, everyone who
>> finds programs becoming buggy doing this so far fixes it
>
>But fuck all need to do that with Win10.
>
WIN10 is the buggiest piece of shit from MS ever and that's sying a
lot!
--
Petzl
Gough Whitlam when Joe Riordan lost the seat of Philip in Sydney’s
eastern suburbs. “Comrade, comrade, how negligent of you. To lose a
seat in which there is not one but three cemeteries is unforgivable.”

I had an uncle that lived in Wellington. He voted Liberal all his
life until he passed away 10 years ago. Now he votes Labor.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, yes Windows II (2) probably isn't compatible with
>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>>>>>>>> you're talking about. I can't say I've ever used it myself, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I did try running a program from it in Windows XP once
>>>>>>>>>>>> after reading an article exploring the limits of Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>> backwards
>>>>>>>>>>>> compatibility.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know
>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11
>>>>>>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What a load of bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You sure about that?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/windows-11-the-ars-technica-review/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is what you got garbled about edge
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/switching-from-microsoft-edge-gets-more-annoying-in-windows-11/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you like "Edge browser" and what ever Microsoft dumps your way?
>>>>>>> Were just advising one makes sure they keep a Win10 back-up in case
>>>>>>> Win11 does not agree with one!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>did you not read the article? You don't have to use the edge browser.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I read it but just opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Others I read claim MS will insist on the use of their exclusive MS
>>>>> products
>>>>
>>>>Just mindless MS hater bullshit and lies. There is
>>>>no way that they can know what MS plans to do.
>>>>
>>>>> Until it arrives no one knows
>>>>> If you run WIN10 you need to do this often
>>>>>
>>>>> This can take some time
>>>>> In the search box on the taskbar, type Command Prompt, and right-click
>>>>> or press and hold Command Prompt (Desktop app) from the list of
>>>>> results. Select Run as administrator, and then select Yes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Type DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth (note the space
>>>>> before each "/"), and then press Enter. (Note: This step may take a
>>>>> few minutes to start and up to 30 minutes to complete.)
>>>>>
>>>>> After you see a message that says "The operation completed
>>>>> successfully," type sfc /scannow (note the space between "sfc" and
>>>>> "/") and press Enter.
>>>>>
>>>>> After you see a message that says, "Verification 100% complete," type
>>>>> exit.
>>>>
>>>>You don't in fact need to do that at all, let alone often.
>>
>>> Never before WIN10, but yes with Win 10, everyone who
>>> finds programs becoming buggy doing this so far fixes it
>>
>>But fuck all need to do that with Win10.

> WIN10 is the buggiest piece of shit from MS ever

Win8 was much worse.

> and that's sying a lot!

On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 16:34:56 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, yes Windows II (2) probably isn't compatible with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're talking about. I can't say I've ever used it myself, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I did try running a program from it in Windows XP once
>>>>>>>>>>>>> after reading an article exploring the limits of Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>> backwards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> compatibility.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know
>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11
>>>>>>>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>>>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge
>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>>>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What a load of bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You sure about that?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/windows-11-the-ars-technica-review/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is what you got garbled about edge
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/switching-from-microsoft-edge-gets-more-annoying-in-windows-11/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you like "Edge browser" and what ever Microsoft dumps your way?
>>>>>>>> Were just advising one makes sure they keep a Win10 back-up in case
>>>>>>>> Win11 does not agree with one!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>did you not read the article? You don't have to use the edge browser.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I read it but just opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Others I read claim MS will insist on the use of their exclusive MS
>>>>>> products
>>>>>
>>>>>Just mindless MS hater bullshit and lies. There is
>>>>>no way that they can know what MS plans to do.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Until it arrives no one knows
>>>>>> If you run WIN10 you need to do this often
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This can take some time
>>>>>> In the search box on the taskbar, type Command Prompt, and right-click
>>>>>> or press and hold Command Prompt (Desktop app) from the list of
>>>>>> results. Select Run as administrator, and then select Yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Type DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth (note the space
>>>>>> before each "/"), and then press Enter. (Note: This step may take a
>>>>>> few minutes to start and up to 30 minutes to complete.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After you see a message that says "The operation completed
>>>>>> successfully," type sfc /scannow (note the space between "sfc" and
>>>>>> "/") and press Enter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After you see a message that says, "Verification 100% complete," type
>>>>>> exit.
>>>>>
>>>>>You don't in fact need to do that at all, let alone often.
>>>
>>>> Never before WIN10, but yes with Win 10, everyone who
>>>> finds programs becoming buggy doing this so far fixes it
>>>
>>>But fuck all need to do that with Win10.
>
>> WIN10 is the buggiest piece of shit from MS ever
>
>Win8 was much worse.
>
>> and that's sying a lot!
>
I disagtree, yes WIN8 was shit but never as bad as WIN10
--
Petzl
Gough Whitlam when Joe Riordan lost the seat of Philip in Sydney’s
eastern suburbs. “Comrade, comrade, how negligent of you. To lose a
seat in which there is not one but three cemeteries is unforgivable.”

I had an uncle that lived in Wellington. He voted Liberal all his
life until he passed away 10 years ago. Now he votes Labor.

On 21/10/21 4:54 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 16:34:56 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, yes Windows II (2) probably isn't compatible with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're talking about. I can't say I've ever used it myself, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I did try running a program from it in Windows XP once
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after reading an article exploring the limits of Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backwards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compatibility.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What a load of bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You sure about that?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/windows-11-the-ars-technica-review/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is what you got garbled about edge
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/switching-from-microsoft-edge-gets-more-annoying-in-windows-11/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you like "Edge browser" and what ever Microsoft dumps your way?
>>>>>>>>> Were just advising one makes sure they keep a Win10 back-up in case
>>>>>>>>> Win11 does not agree with one!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> did you not read the article? You don't have to use the edge browser.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I read it but just opinion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Others I read claim MS will insist on the use of their exclusive MS
>>>>>>> products
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just mindless MS hater bullshit and lies. There is
>>>>>> no way that they can know what MS plans to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Until it arrives no one knows
>>>>>>> If you run WIN10 you need to do this often
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This can take some time
>>>>>>> In the search box on the taskbar, type Command Prompt, and right-click
>>>>>>> or press and hold Command Prompt (Desktop app) from the list of
>>>>>>> results. Select Run as administrator, and then select Yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Type DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth (note the space
>>>>>>> before each "/"), and then press Enter. (Note: This step may take a
>>>>>>> few minutes to start and up to 30 minutes to complete.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After you see a message that says "The operation completed
>>>>>>> successfully," type sfc /scannow (note the space between "sfc" and
>>>>>>> "/") and press Enter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> After you see a message that says, "Verification 100% complete," type
>>>>>>> exit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You don't in fact need to do that at all, let alone often.
>>>>
>>>>> Never before WIN10, but yes with Win 10, everyone who
>>>>> finds programs becoming buggy doing this so far fixes it
>>>>
>>>> But fuck all need to do that with Win10.
>>
>>> WIN10 is the buggiest piece of shit from MS ever
>>
>> Win8 was much worse.
>>
>>> and that's sying a lot!
>>
> I disagtree, yes WIN8 was shit but never as bad as WIN10
>
Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it to
Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere near it
in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I could
imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even the
*dark side* (Mac). LOL

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 18:07:16 +1100, Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:

>On 21/10/21 4:54 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 16:34:56 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Petzl wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, yes Windows II (2) probably isn't compatible with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're talking about. I can't say I've ever used it myself, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think I did try running a program from it in Windows XP once
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after reading an article exploring the limits of Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> backwards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> compatibility.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> What a load of bullshit.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You sure about that?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/windows-11-the-ars-technica-review/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is what you got garbled about edge
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/switching-from-microsoft-edge-gets-more-annoying-in-windows-11/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you like "Edge browser" and what ever Microsoft dumps your way?
>>>>>>>>>> Were just advising one makes sure they keep a Win10 back-up in case
>>>>>>>>>> Win11 does not agree with one!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> did you not read the article? You don't have to use the edge browser.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I read it but just opinion.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Others I read claim MS will insist on the use of their exclusive MS
>>>>>>>> products
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just mindless MS hater bullshit and lies. There is
>>>>>>> no way that they can know what MS plans to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Until it arrives no one knows
>>>>>>>> If you run WIN10 you need to do this often
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This can take some time
>>>>>>>> In the search box on the taskbar, type Command Prompt, and right-click
>>>>>>>> or press and hold Command Prompt (Desktop app) from the list of
>>>>>>>> results. Select Run as administrator, and then select Yes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Type DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth (note the space
>>>>>>>> before each "/"), and then press Enter. (Note: This step may take a
>>>>>>>> few minutes to start and up to 30 minutes to complete.)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After you see a message that says "The operation completed
>>>>>>>> successfully," type sfc /scannow (note the space between "sfc" and
>>>>>>>> "/") and press Enter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After you see a message that says, "Verification 100% complete," type
>>>>>>>> exit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't in fact need to do that at all, let alone often.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Never before WIN10, but yes with Win 10, everyone who
>>>>>> finds programs becoming buggy doing this so far fixes it
>>>>>
>>>>> But fuck all need to do that with Win10.
>>>
>>>> WIN10 is the buggiest piece of shit from MS ever
>>>
>>> Win8 was much worse.
>>>
>>>> and that's sying a lot!
>>>
>> I disagtree, yes WIN8 was shit but never as bad as WIN10
>>
>Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it to
>Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere near it
>in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I could
>imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even the
>*dark side* (Mac). LOL
>
WIN10 took years to almost remove its many bugs
Most certainly better than it was but still corrupts hard drives
Meaning one should check using this method monthly
Two stage check each stage can take time
After Admin Command prompt run
DISM.exe /Online /Cleanup-image /Restorehealth
When finished run
sfc /scannow
when finished type Exit then enter

<https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/using-system-file-checker-in-windows-365e0031-36b1-6031-f804-8fd86e0ef4ca>
http://t.ly/7AD7
Using System File Checker in Windows
--
Petzl
Gough Whitlam when Joe Riordan lost the seat of Philip in Sydney’s
eastern suburbs. “Comrade, comrade, how negligent of you. To lose a
seat in which there is not one but three cemeteries is unforgivable.”

I had an uncle that lived in Wellington. He voted Liberal all his
life until he passed away 10 years ago. Now he votes Labor.

On 20/10/2021 8:26 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 19:39:56 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 19/10/2021 7:41 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Tue, 19 Oct 2021 15:47:50 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 19/10/2021 7:47 am, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:58:19 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18/10/2021 2:56 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 17 Oct 2021 21:51:31 -0000 (UTC), not@telling.you.invalid
>>>>>>> (Computer Nerd Kev) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, yes Windows II (2) probably isn't compatible with whatever
>>>>>>>> you're talking about. I can't say I've ever used it myself, but
>>>>>>>> I think I did try running a program from it in Windows XP once
>>>>>>>> after reading an article exploring the limits of Windows backwards
>>>>>>>> compatibility.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alright I guess you inexplicably typed 'I' instead of '1' and
>>>>>>>> didn't intend to use Roman numerals, though I still don't know what
>>>>>>>> you're actually talking about with regards to Windows 11 either.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Microsoft have just about got Wn10 working
>>>>>>> The reports about WIN11 will require facial recognition and Edge as
>>>>>>> the only browser.
>>>>>>> If you think thats OK go with it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a load of bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>> You sure about that?
>>>>>
>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/10/windows-11-the-ars-technica-review/
>>>>
>>>> This is what you got garbled about edge
>>>>
>>>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/08/switching-from-microsoft-edge-gets-more-annoying-in-windows-11/
>>>>
>>> If you like "Edge browser" and what ever Microsoft dumps your way?
>>> Were just advising one makes sure they keep a Win10 back-up in case
>>> Win11 does not agree with one!
>>
>> did you not read the article? You don't have to use the edge browser.
>>
> I read it but just opinion.

You may have read it, but you obviously did not understand it. It was
written by somebody actually running W11 and included screenshots. It
would appear that you would rather believe some know nothing idiot on
the web who probably believes that COVID vaccine alters your DNA.

Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
[...]

> Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it to
> Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere near it
> in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I could
> imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even the
> *dark side* (Mac). LOL

Windows 8.1 was/is not all that bad, once you've figured out how to
get rid of the Fischer Price GUI.

But that indeed only works for those who were used to Real Windows (TM).

For those for whom 8[.1] was their first experience of computers, they
would probably be in dire need for a clothing repair shop, because they
would have tried to put the device in their shirt pocket, thinking it
was some kind of gigantic smartphone.

On 21/10/21 9:13 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> [...]
>
>> Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it to
>> Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere near it
>> in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I could
>> imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even the
>> *dark side* (Mac). LOL
>
> Windows 8.1 was/is not all that bad, once you've figured out how to
> get rid of the Fischer Price GUI.

I didn't mind 8.1 all that much. 8.0 was horrid.
>
> But that indeed only works for those who were used to Real Windows (TM).
>
I'm flexible enough. I use Win, OS/X and Linux. I just deplore pointless
OS or UI changes, and M$ makes heaps of them, Win8.0 being the perfect
example.

> For those for whom 8[.1] was their first experience of computers, they
> would probably be in dire need for a clothing repair shop, because they
> would have tried to put the device in their shirt pocket, thinking it
> was some kind of gigantic smartphone.
>
Yes, M$ tried to make Windows the all singing, all dancing OS for every
kind of device. Even Apple didn't do that. Apple had OS/X for computers,
iOS for handheld/touch devices. Even now, they have forked iOS into iOS
and PadOS because they realised people were using iPads differently from
their iPhone. Add keyboard and mouse and the iPad transforms into a
pseudo lappie. That said, I don't use my iPad that way - I have a
MacBook for that purpose.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 21/10/2021 8:13 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> [...]
>
>> Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it to
>> Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere near it
>> in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I could
>> imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even the
>> *dark side* (Mac). LOL
>
> Windows 8.1 was/is not all that bad, once you've figured out how to
> get rid of the Fischer Price GUI.
>
> But that indeed only works for those who were used to Real Windows (TM).
>
> For those for whom 8[.1] was their first experience of computers, they
> would probably be in dire need for a clothing repair shop, because they
> would have tried to put the device in their shirt pocket, thinking it
> was some kind of gigantic smartphone.
>
The wife is perfectly happy with 8.1, but then she just uses it for
e-mail and a bit of web browsing.

On 21/10/21 10:50 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 21/10/2021 8:13 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>> Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it to
>>> Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere near it
>>> in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I could
>>> imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even the
>>> *dark side* (Mac).  LOL
>>
>>    Windows 8.1 was/is not all that bad, once you've figured out how to
>> get rid of the Fischer Price GUI.
>>
>>    But that indeed only works for those who were used to Real Windows
>> (TM).
>>    For those for whom 8[.1] was their first experience of computers, they
>> would probably be in dire need for a clothing repair shop, because they
>> would have tried to put the device in their shirt pocket, thinking it
>> was some kind of gigantic smartphone.
>>
> The wife is perfectly happy with 8.1, but then she just uses it for
> e-mail and a bit of web browsing.

If that's all the OS is being used for, she could be just as happy with
Linux. There are even Linux UIs that mimic the Windows UI quite well.
She may never know the difference.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 22/10/2021 3:12 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 21/10/21 10:50 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 21/10/2021 8:13 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it to
>>>> Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere
>>>> near it
>>>> in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I could
>>>> imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even the
>>>> *dark side* (Mac).  LOL
>>>
>>>    Windows 8.1 was/is not all that bad, once you've figured out how to
>>> get rid of the Fischer Price GUI.
>>>
>>>    But that indeed only works for those who were used to Real
>>> Windows (TM).
>>>    For those for whom 8[.1] was their first experience of computers,
>>> they
>>> would probably be in dire need for a clothing repair shop, because they
>>> would have tried to put the device in their shirt pocket, thinking it
>>> was some kind of gigantic smartphone.
>>>
>> The wife is perfectly happy with 8.1, but then she just uses it for
>> e-mail and a bit of web browsing.
>
> If that's all the OS is being used for, she could be just as happy
> with Linux. There are even Linux UIs that mimic the Windows UI quite
> well. She may never know the difference.
>

if she's happy with 8.1 why would she want to change? and potentially
encounter new problems

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 22/10/21 4:26 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 22/10/2021 3:12 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 21/10/21 10:50 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 21/10/2021 8:13 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it to
>>>>> Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere
>>>>> near it
>>>>> in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I could
>>>>> imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even the
>>>>> *dark side* (Mac).  LOL
>>>>
>>>>    Windows 8.1 was/is not all that bad, once you've figured out how to
>>>> get rid of the Fischer Price GUI.
>>>>
>>>>    But that indeed only works for those who were used to Real
>>>> Windows (TM).
>>>>    For those for whom 8[.1] was their first experience of computers,
>>>> they
>>>> would probably be in dire need for a clothing repair shop, because they
>>>> would have tried to put the device in their shirt pocket, thinking it
>>>> was some kind of gigantic smartphone.
>>>>
>>> The wife is perfectly happy with 8.1, but then she just uses it for
>>> e-mail and a bit of web browsing.
>>
>> If that's all the OS is being used for, she could be just as happy
>> with Linux. There are even Linux UIs that mimic the Windows UI quite
>> well. She may never know the difference.
>>
>
> if she's happy with 8.1 why would she want to change? and potentially
> encounter new problems
>
Update phase-out is the only reason for the move up that I can see.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
> On 21/10/2021 8:13 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> >> Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it to
> >> Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere near it
> >> in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I could
> >> imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even the
> >> *dark side* (Mac). LOL
> >
> > Windows 8.1 was/is not all that bad, once you've figured out how to
> > get rid of the Fischer Price GUI.
> >
> > But that indeed only works for those who were used to Real Windows (TM).
> >
> > For those for whom 8[.1] was their first experience of computers, they
> > would probably be in dire need for a clothing repair shop, because they
> > would have tried to put the device in their shirt pocket, thinking it
> > was some kind of gigantic smartphone.
> >
> The wife is perfectly happy with 8.1, but then she just uses it for
> e-mail and a bit of web browsing.

Same here, but my wife also uses a slide scanner to digitize old
slides, so she needs software support for that scanner, so Linux (or
ChromeOS or macOS) isn't really an option. Same for - company-dependent
- software for making printed photo albums.

I'm also quite happy with 8.1. I got my 8.1. laptop just before 10
came out and when it came out, it wasn't ready for prime time by a long
shot, so I rolled-back to 8.1

So we'll try to finish the 8.1 ride till we 'have to' move to 10 and
when 10 support ends, we'll reconsider our choices.

On 23/10/2021 12:38 am, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>> On 21/10/2021 8:13 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it to
>>>> Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere near it
>>>> in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I could
>>>> imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even the
>>>> *dark side* (Mac). LOL
>>>
>>> Windows 8.1 was/is not all that bad, once you've figured out how to
>>> get rid of the Fischer Price GUI.
>>>
>>> But that indeed only works for those who were used to Real Windows (TM).
>>>
>>> For those for whom 8[.1] was their first experience of computers, they
>>> would probably be in dire need for a clothing repair shop, because they
>>> would have tried to put the device in their shirt pocket, thinking it
>>> was some kind of gigantic smartphone.
>>>
>> The wife is perfectly happy with 8.1, but then she just uses it for
>> e-mail and a bit of web browsing.
>
> Same here, but my wife also uses a slide scanner to digitize old
> slides, so she needs software support for that scanner, so Linux (or
> ChromeOS or macOS) isn't really an option. Same for - company-dependent
> - software for making printed photo albums.
>
> I'm also quite happy with 8.1. I got my 8.1. laptop just before 10
> came out and when it came out, it wasn't ready for prime time by a long
> shot, so I rolled-back to 8.1
>
> So we'll try to finish the 8.1 ride till we 'have to' move to 10 and
> when 10 support ends, we'll reconsider our choices.
>

What is your reason for sticking with version 8.1 ? Is it because you
don't think your hardware can cope with version 10 ?

On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 10:37:30 +1100, Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:

>On 23/10/2021 12:38 am, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 21/10/2021 8:13 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it to
>>>>> Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere near it
>>>>> in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I could
>>>>> imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even the
>>>>> *dark side* (Mac). LOL
>>>>
>>>> Windows 8.1 was/is not all that bad, once you've figured out how to
>>>> get rid of the Fischer Price GUI.
>>>>
>>>> But that indeed only works for those who were used to Real Windows (TM).
>>>>
>>>> For those for whom 8[.1] was their first experience of computers, they
>>>> would probably be in dire need for a clothing repair shop, because they
>>>> would have tried to put the device in their shirt pocket, thinking it
>>>> was some kind of gigantic smartphone.
>>>>
>>> The wife is perfectly happy with 8.1, but then she just uses it for
>>> e-mail and a bit of web browsing.
>>
>> Same here, but my wife also uses a slide scanner to digitize old
>> slides, so she needs software support for that scanner, so Linux (or
>> ChromeOS or macOS) isn't really an option. Same for - company-dependent
>> - software for making printed photo albums.
>>
>> I'm also quite happy with 8.1. I got my 8.1. laptop just before 10
>> came out and when it came out, it wasn't ready for prime time by a long
>> shot, so I rolled-back to 8.1
>>
>> So we'll try to finish the 8.1 ride till we 'have to' move to 10 and
>> when 10 support ends, we'll reconsider our choices.
>>
>
>What is your reason for sticking with version 8.1 ? Is it because you
>don't think your hardware can cope with version 10 ?
>
Not broken don't "fix it"
--
Petzl
Gough Whitlam when Joe Riordan lost the seat of Philip in Sydney’s
eastern suburbs. “Comrade, comrade, how negligent of you. To lose a
seat in which there is not one but three cemeteries is unforgivable.”

I had an uncle that lived in Wellington. He voted Liberal all his
life until he passed away 10 years ago. Now he votes Labor.

Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
> On 23/10/2021 12:38 am, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
> >> On 21/10/2021 8:13 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> >>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >>> [...]
> >>>
> >>>> Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it to
> >>>> Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere near it
> >>>> in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I could
> >>>> imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even the
> >>>> *dark side* (Mac). LOL
> >>>
> >>> Windows 8.1 was/is not all that bad, once you've figured out how to
> >>> get rid of the Fischer Price GUI.
> >>>
> >>> But that indeed only works for those who were used to Real Windows (TM).
> >>>
> >>> For those for whom 8[.1] was their first experience of computers, they
> >>> would probably be in dire need for a clothing repair shop, because they
> >>> would have tried to put the device in their shirt pocket, thinking it
> >>> was some kind of gigantic smartphone.
> >>>
> >> The wife is perfectly happy with 8.1, but then she just uses it for
> >> e-mail and a bit of web browsing.
> >
> > Same here, but my wife also uses a slide scanner to digitize old
> > slides, so she needs software support for that scanner, so Linux (or
> > ChromeOS or macOS) isn't really an option. Same for - company-dependent
> > - software for making printed photo albums.
> >
> > I'm also quite happy with 8.1. I got my 8.1. laptop just before 10
> > came out and when it came out, it wasn't ready for prime time by a long
> > shot, so I rolled-back to 8.1
> >
> > So we'll try to finish the 8.1 ride till we 'have to' move to 10 and
> > when 10 support ends, we'll reconsider our choices.
> >
>
> What is your reason for sticking with version 8.1 ? Is it because you
> don't think your hardware can cope with version 10 ?

As I wrote, when 10 came out, I shortly tried 10 and then rolled back
to 8.1, so I still could go to 10 if I wanted, but I don't.

Why not? No advantages, less control over configuration, etc., less/no
control over updates, weird update scheme with frequent problems, etc..
And, don't fix what ain't broken.

On 23 Oct 2021 18:30:59 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>Max <max@val.morgan> wrote:
>> On 23/10/2021 12:38 am, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> > keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote:
>> >> On 21/10/2021 8:13 pm, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> >>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>> >>> [...]
>> >>>
>> >>>> Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it to
>> >>>> Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere near it
>> >>>> in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I could
>> >>>> imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even the
>> >>>> *dark side* (Mac). LOL
>> >>>
>> >>> Windows 8.1 was/is not all that bad, once you've figured out how to
>> >>> get rid of the Fischer Price GUI.
>> >>>
>> >>> But that indeed only works for those who were used to Real Windows (TM).
>> >>>
>> >>> For those for whom 8[.1] was their first experience of computers, they
>> >>> would probably be in dire need for a clothing repair shop, because they
>> >>> would have tried to put the device in their shirt pocket, thinking it
>> >>> was some kind of gigantic smartphone.
>> >>>
>> >> The wife is perfectly happy with 8.1, but then she just uses it for
>> >> e-mail and a bit of web browsing.
>> >
>> > Same here, but my wife also uses a slide scanner to digitize old
>> > slides, so she needs software support for that scanner, so Linux (or
>> > ChromeOS or macOS) isn't really an option. Same for - company-dependent
>> > - software for making printed photo albums.
>> >
>> > I'm also quite happy with 8.1. I got my 8.1. laptop just before 10
>> > came out and when it came out, it wasn't ready for prime time by a long
>> > shot, so I rolled-back to 8.1
>> >
>> > So we'll try to finish the 8.1 ride till we 'have to' move to 10 and
>> > when 10 support ends, we'll reconsider our choices.
>> >
>>
>> What is your reason for sticking with version 8.1 ? Is it because you
>> don't think your hardware can cope with version 10 ?
>
> As I wrote, when 10 came out, I shortly tried 10 and then rolled back
>to 8.1, so I still could go to 10 if I wanted, but I don't.
>
> Why not? No advantages, less control over configuration, etc., less/no
>control over updates, weird update scheme with frequent problems, etc..
>And, don't fix what ain't broken.
>
Even Microsoft crapware browser has no defense from this!
get these false notifications, neither Firefox or opera allow this!
https://ibb.co/vXSPqsd
if you hit any of these so-called notification links your computer
passwords etc will be handed over to hackers!
Edge IE explorer needs uninstalling urgently
Now WIN11 will insist on it's use!
--
Petzl
Good lawyers know the law
Great lawyers know the judge

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>> Frank Slootweg wrote
>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Frank Slootweg wrote
>>>>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote

>>> >>>> Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>> Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere
>>> >>>> near it
>>> >>>> in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I
>>> >>>> could
>>> >>>> imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>> *dark side* (Mac). LOL
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Windows 8.1 was/is not all that bad, once you've figured out how
>>> >>> to
>>> >>> get rid of the Fischer Price GUI.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> But that indeed only works for those who were used to Real
>>> >>> Windows (TM).
>>> >>>
>>> >>> For those for whom 8[.1] was their first experience of
>>> >>> computers, they
>>> >>> would probably be in dire need for a clothing repair shop, because
>>> >>> they
>>> >>> would have tried to put the device in their shirt pocket, thinking
>>> >>> it
>>> >>> was some kind of gigantic smartphone.
>>> >>>
>>> >> The wife is perfectly happy with 8.1, but then she just uses it for
>>> >> e-mail and a bit of web browsing.
>>> >
>>> > Same here, but my wife also uses a slide scanner to digitize old
>>> > slides, so she needs software support for that scanner, so Linux (or
>>> > ChromeOS or macOS) isn't really an option. Same for -
>>> > company-dependent
>>> > - software for making printed photo albums.
>>> >
>>> > I'm also quite happy with 8.1. I got my 8.1. laptop just before 10
>>> > came out and when it came out, it wasn't ready for prime time by a
>>> > long
>>> > shot, so I rolled-back to 8.1
>>> >
>>> > So we'll try to finish the 8.1 ride till we 'have to' move to 10
>>> > and
>>> > when 10 support ends, we'll reconsider our choices.
>>> >
>>>
>>> What is your reason for sticking with version 8.1 ? Is it because you
>>> don't think your hardware can cope with version 10 ?
>>
>> As I wrote, when 10 came out, I shortly tried 10 and then rolled back
>>to 8.1, so I still could go to 10 if I wanted, but I don't.
>>
>> Why not? No advantages, less control over configuration, etc., less/no
>>control over updates, weird update scheme with frequent problems, etc..
>>And, don't fix what ain't broken.
>>
> Even Microsoft crapware browser has no defense from this!
> get these false notifications, neither Firefox or opera allow this!
> https://ibb.co/vXSPqsd
> if you hit any of these so-called notification links your computer
> passwords etc will be handed over to hackers!
> Edge IE explorer needs uninstalling urgently

> Now WIN11 will insist on it's use!

No it will not.

On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 13:43:41 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>> Frank Slootweg wrote
>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>> Frank Slootweg wrote
>>>>>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>
>>>> >>>> Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it
>>>> >>>> to
>>>> >>>> Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere
>>>> >>>> near it
>>>> >>>> in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I
>>>> >>>> could
>>>> >>>> imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even
>>>> >>>> the
>>>> >>>> *dark side* (Mac). LOL
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Windows 8.1 was/is not all that bad, once you've figured out how
>>>> >>> to
>>>> >>> get rid of the Fischer Price GUI.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> But that indeed only works for those who were used to Real
>>>> >>> Windows (TM).
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> For those for whom 8[.1] was their first experience of
>>>> >>> computers, they
>>>> >>> would probably be in dire need for a clothing repair shop, because
>>>> >>> they
>>>> >>> would have tried to put the device in their shirt pocket, thinking
>>>> >>> it
>>>> >>> was some kind of gigantic smartphone.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >> The wife is perfectly happy with 8.1, but then she just uses it for
>>>> >> e-mail and a bit of web browsing.
>>>> >
>>>> > Same here, but my wife also uses a slide scanner to digitize old
>>>> > slides, so she needs software support for that scanner, so Linux (or
>>>> > ChromeOS or macOS) isn't really an option. Same for -
>>>> > company-dependent
>>>> > - software for making printed photo albums.
>>>> >
>>>> > I'm also quite happy with 8.1. I got my 8.1. laptop just before 10
>>>> > came out and when it came out, it wasn't ready for prime time by a
>>>> > long
>>>> > shot, so I rolled-back to 8.1
>>>> >
>>>> > So we'll try to finish the 8.1 ride till we 'have to' move to 10
>>>> > and
>>>> > when 10 support ends, we'll reconsider our choices.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> What is your reason for sticking with version 8.1 ? Is it because you
>>>> don't think your hardware can cope with version 10 ?
>>>
>>> As I wrote, when 10 came out, I shortly tried 10 and then rolled back
>>>to 8.1, so I still could go to 10 if I wanted, but I don't.
>>>
>>> Why not? No advantages, less control over configuration, etc., less/no
>>>control over updates, weird update scheme with frequent problems, etc..
>>>And, don't fix what ain't broken.
>>>
>> Even Microsoft crapware browser has no defense from this!
>> get these false notifications, neither Firefox or opera allow this!
>> https://ibb.co/vXSPqsd
>> if you hit any of these so-called notification links your computer
>> passwords etc will be handed over to hackers!
>> Edge IE explorer needs uninstalling urgently
>
>> Now WIN11 will insist on it's use!
>
>No it will not.
>
Showed a link to a article that says they will
You use Edge browser?
--
Petzl

The entire Parliament was sacked,for treason under Whitlam
Constitutionally Parties are not recognised. So when a Government was
found to be removing ties to USA and Britain's orbit moving towards
that of the Communist and Third World powers, with strong support for
the "Arab lobby", Britain and USA would of found that treachery.

Arab financiers offered lower interest rates on governmental loans
than US banks/financiers. The Middle East at the time was awash with
"petro-dollars", as the price of oil quadrupled between 1973 and 1974.
Whitlam allowed Saudi Arabs to build a Mosque in Sydney/Lakemba.
Whitlam was a immoral communist working to remove ties to USA and
Britain's orbit moving towards that of the Communist and Third World
powers, with strong support for the "Arab lobby".
https://is.gd/IzhkxL

On 24/10/2021 12:47 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 13:43:41 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>> Frank Slootweg wrote
>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>> Frank Slootweg wrote
>>>>>>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>
>>>>>>>>> Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere
>>>>>>>>> near it
>>>>>>>>> in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> *dark side* (Mac). LOL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Windows 8.1 was/is not all that bad, once you've figured out how
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> get rid of the Fischer Price GUI.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But that indeed only works for those who were used to Real
>>>>>>>> Windows (TM).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For those for whom 8[.1] was their first experience of
>>>>>>>> computers, they
>>>>>>>> would probably be in dire need for a clothing repair shop, because
>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>> would have tried to put the device in their shirt pocket, thinking
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> was some kind of gigantic smartphone.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The wife is perfectly happy with 8.1, but then she just uses it for
>>>>>>> e-mail and a bit of web browsing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Same here, but my wife also uses a slide scanner to digitize old
>>>>>> slides, so she needs software support for that scanner, so Linux (or
>>>>>> ChromeOS or macOS) isn't really an option. Same for -
>>>>>> company-dependent
>>>>>> - software for making printed photo albums.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm also quite happy with 8.1. I got my 8.1. laptop just before 10
>>>>>> came out and when it came out, it wasn't ready for prime time by a
>>>>>> long
>>>>>> shot, so I rolled-back to 8.1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So we'll try to finish the 8.1 ride till we 'have to' move to 10
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> when 10 support ends, we'll reconsider our choices.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> What is your reason for sticking with version 8.1 ? Is it because you
>>>>> don't think your hardware can cope with version 10 ?
>>>>
>>>> As I wrote, when 10 came out, I shortly tried 10 and then rolled back
>>>> to 8.1, so I still could go to 10 if I wanted, but I don't.
>>>>
>>>> Why not? No advantages, less control over configuration, etc., less/no
>>>> control over updates, weird update scheme with frequent problems, etc..
>>>> And, don't fix what ain't broken.
>>>>
>>> Even Microsoft crapware browser has no defense from this!
>>> get these false notifications, neither Firefox or opera allow this!
>>> https://ibb.co/vXSPqsd
>>> if you hit any of these so-called notification links your computer
>>> passwords etc will be handed over to hackers!
>>> Edge IE explorer needs uninstalling urgently
>>
>>> Now WIN11 will insist on it's use!
>>
>> No it will not.
>>
> Showed a link to a article that says they will
> You use Edge browser?
>
And I showed two links to articles that say you won't so you lose by one
article.

On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 15:06:59 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
wrote:

>On 24/10/2021 12:47 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 13:43:41 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>> Frank Slootweg wrote
>>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>> Frank Slootweg wrote
>>>>>>>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere
>>>>>>>>>> near it
>>>>>>>>>> in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I
>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>> imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> *dark side* (Mac). LOL
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Windows 8.1 was/is not all that bad, once you've figured out how
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> get rid of the Fischer Price GUI.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But that indeed only works for those who were used to Real
>>>>>>>>> Windows (TM).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For those for whom 8[.1] was their first experience of
>>>>>>>>> computers, they
>>>>>>>>> would probably be in dire need for a clothing repair shop, because
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> would have tried to put the device in their shirt pocket, thinking
>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>> was some kind of gigantic smartphone.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The wife is perfectly happy with 8.1, but then she just uses it for
>>>>>>>> e-mail and a bit of web browsing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Same here, but my wife also uses a slide scanner to digitize old
>>>>>>> slides, so she needs software support for that scanner, so Linux (or
>>>>>>> ChromeOS or macOS) isn't really an option. Same for -
>>>>>>> company-dependent
>>>>>>> - software for making printed photo albums.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm also quite happy with 8.1. I got my 8.1. laptop just before 10
>>>>>>> came out and when it came out, it wasn't ready for prime time by a
>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>> shot, so I rolled-back to 8.1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So we'll try to finish the 8.1 ride till we 'have to' move to 10
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> when 10 support ends, we'll reconsider our choices.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is your reason for sticking with version 8.1 ? Is it because you
>>>>>> don't think your hardware can cope with version 10 ?
>>>>>
>>>>> As I wrote, when 10 came out, I shortly tried 10 and then rolled back
>>>>> to 8.1, so I still could go to 10 if I wanted, but I don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why not? No advantages, less control over configuration, etc., less/no
>>>>> control over updates, weird update scheme with frequent problems, etc..
>>>>> And, don't fix what ain't broken.
>>>>>
>>>> Even Microsoft crapware browser has no defense from this!
>>>> get these false notifications, neither Firefox or opera allow this!
>>>> https://ibb.co/vXSPqsd
>>>> if you hit any of these so-called notification links your computer
>>>> passwords etc will be handed over to hackers!
>>>> Edge IE explorer needs uninstalling urgently
>>>
>>>> Now WIN11 will insist on it's use!
>>>
>>> No it will not.
>>>
>> Showed a link to a article that says they will
>> You use Edge browser?
>>
>And I showed two links to articles that say you won't so you lose by one
>article.
>
So one can unistall this rubbish you think?
--
Petzl
Gough Whitlam when Joe Riordan lost the seat of Philip in Sydney’s
eastern suburbs. “Comrade, comrade, how negligent of you. To lose a
seat in which there is not one but three cemeteries is unforgivable.”

I had an uncle that lived in Wellington. He voted Liberal all his
life until he passed away 10 years ago. Now he votes Labor.

On 24/10/2021 4:59 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 15:06:59 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 24/10/2021 12:47 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 13:43:41 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>> Frank Slootweg wrote
>>>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Frank Slootweg wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere
>>>>>>>>>>> near it
>>>>>>>>>>> in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I
>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>> imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> *dark side* (Mac). LOL
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Windows 8.1 was/is not all that bad, once you've figured out how
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> get rid of the Fischer Price GUI.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But that indeed only works for those who were used to Real
>>>>>>>>>> Windows (TM).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For those for whom 8[.1] was their first experience of
>>>>>>>>>> computers, they
>>>>>>>>>> would probably be in dire need for a clothing repair shop, because
>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>> would have tried to put the device in their shirt pocket, thinking
>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>> was some kind of gigantic smartphone.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The wife is perfectly happy with 8.1, but then she just uses it for
>>>>>>>>> e-mail and a bit of web browsing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Same here, but my wife also uses a slide scanner to digitize old
>>>>>>>> slides, so she needs software support for that scanner, so Linux (or
>>>>>>>> ChromeOS or macOS) isn't really an option. Same for -
>>>>>>>> company-dependent
>>>>>>>> - software for making printed photo albums.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm also quite happy with 8.1. I got my 8.1. laptop just before 10
>>>>>>>> came out and when it came out, it wasn't ready for prime time by a
>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>> shot, so I rolled-back to 8.1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So we'll try to finish the 8.1 ride till we 'have to' move to 10
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> when 10 support ends, we'll reconsider our choices.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is your reason for sticking with version 8.1 ? Is it because you
>>>>>>> don't think your hardware can cope with version 10 ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As I wrote, when 10 came out, I shortly tried 10 and then rolled back
>>>>>> to 8.1, so I still could go to 10 if I wanted, but I don't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why not? No advantages, less control over configuration, etc., less/no
>>>>>> control over updates, weird update scheme with frequent problems, etc..
>>>>>> And, don't fix what ain't broken.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Even Microsoft crapware browser has no defense from this!
>>>>> get these false notifications, neither Firefox or opera allow this!
>>>>> https://ibb.co/vXSPqsd
>>>>> if you hit any of these so-called notification links your computer
>>>>> passwords etc will be handed over to hackers!
>>>>> Edge IE explorer needs uninstalling urgently
>>>>
>>>>> Now WIN11 will insist on it's use!
>>>>
>>>> No it will not.
>>>>
>>> Showed a link to a article that says they will
>>> You use Edge browser?
>>>
>> And I showed two links to articles that say you won't so you lose by one
>> article.
>>
> So one can unistall this rubbish you think?
>
I'll tell you when my laptop gets update to W11, but whether its
installed or not, you don't have to use it.

On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 19:24:43 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
wrote:

>On 24/10/2021 4:59 pm, Petzl wrote:
>> On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 15:06:59 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/10/2021 12:47 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 13:43:41 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>> Frank Slootweg wrote
>>>>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Frank Slootweg wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere
>>>>>>>>>>>> near it
>>>>>>>>>>>> in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I
>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>> imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> *dark side* (Mac). LOL
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 8.1 was/is not all that bad, once you've figured out how
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> get rid of the Fischer Price GUI.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But that indeed only works for those who were used to Real
>>>>>>>>>>> Windows (TM).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For those for whom 8[.1] was their first experience of
>>>>>>>>>>> computers, they
>>>>>>>>>>> would probably be in dire need for a clothing repair shop, because
>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>> would have tried to put the device in their shirt pocket, thinking
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> was some kind of gigantic smartphone.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The wife is perfectly happy with 8.1, but then she just uses it for
>>>>>>>>>> e-mail and a bit of web browsing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Same here, but my wife also uses a slide scanner to digitize old
>>>>>>>>> slides, so she needs software support for that scanner, so Linux (or
>>>>>>>>> ChromeOS or macOS) isn't really an option. Same for -
>>>>>>>>> company-dependent
>>>>>>>>> - software for making printed photo albums.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm also quite happy with 8.1. I got my 8.1. laptop just before 10
>>>>>>>>> came out and when it came out, it wasn't ready for prime time by a
>>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>>> shot, so I rolled-back to 8.1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So we'll try to finish the 8.1 ride till we 'have to' move to 10
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> when 10 support ends, we'll reconsider our choices.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is your reason for sticking with version 8.1 ? Is it because you
>>>>>>>> don't think your hardware can cope with version 10 ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As I wrote, when 10 came out, I shortly tried 10 and then rolled back
>>>>>>> to 8.1, so I still could go to 10 if I wanted, but I don't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not? No advantages, less control over configuration, etc., less/no
>>>>>>> control over updates, weird update scheme with frequent problems, etc..
>>>>>>> And, don't fix what ain't broken.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even Microsoft crapware browser has no defense from this!
>>>>>> get these false notifications, neither Firefox or opera allow this!
>>>>>> https://ibb.co/vXSPqsd
>>>>>> if you hit any of these so-called notification links your computer
>>>>>> passwords etc will be handed over to hackers!
>>>>>> Edge IE explorer needs uninstalling urgently
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now WIN11 will insist on it's use!
>>>>>
>>>>> No it will not.
>>>>>
>>>> Showed a link to a article that says they will
>>>> You use Edge browser?
>>>>
>>> And I showed two links to articles that say you won't so you lose by one
>>> article.
>>>
>> So one can unistall this rubbish you think?
>>
>I'll tell you when my laptop gets update to W11, but whether its
>installed or not, you don't have to use it.
>
Some reports sugest because of Microsofts security beliefs you will
have to!
--
Petzl
Make Australia Great Again
MAGA

Mark Latham has seen the light
Voting Coalition, Labor or "Greens" because you hate One Nation is like eating shit because you hate spinach

ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!

On 24/10/2021 7:35 pm, Petzl wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 19:24:43 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 24/10/2021 4:59 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>> On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 15:06:59 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 24/10/2021 12:47 pm, Petzl wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 24 Oct 2021 13:43:41 +1100, "Rod Speed"
>>>>> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Frank Slootweg wrote
>>>>>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Frank Slootweg wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere
>>>>>>>>>>>>> near it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>>>>>> imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *dark side* (Mac). LOL
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows 8.1 was/is not all that bad, once you've figured out how
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> get rid of the Fischer Price GUI.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But that indeed only works for those who were used to Real
>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows (TM).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For those for whom 8[.1] was their first experience of
>>>>>>>>>>>> computers, they
>>>>>>>>>>>> would probably be in dire need for a clothing repair shop, because
>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>> would have tried to put the device in their shirt pocket, thinking
>>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> was some kind of gigantic smartphone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The wife is perfectly happy with 8.1, but then she just uses it for
>>>>>>>>>>> e-mail and a bit of web browsing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Same here, but my wife also uses a slide scanner to digitize old
>>>>>>>>>> slides, so she needs software support for that scanner, so Linux (or
>>>>>>>>>> ChromeOS or macOS) isn't really an option. Same for -
>>>>>>>>>> company-dependent
>>>>>>>>>> - software for making printed photo albums.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm also quite happy with 8.1. I got my 8.1. laptop just before 10
>>>>>>>>>> came out and when it came out, it wasn't ready for prime time by a
>>>>>>>>>> long
>>>>>>>>>> shot, so I rolled-back to 8.1
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So we'll try to finish the 8.1 ride till we 'have to' move to 10
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> when 10 support ends, we'll reconsider our choices.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is your reason for sticking with version 8.1 ? Is it because you
>>>>>>>>> don't think your hardware can cope with version 10 ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As I wrote, when 10 came out, I shortly tried 10 and then rolled back
>>>>>>>> to 8.1, so I still could go to 10 if I wanted, but I don't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why not? No advantages, less control over configuration, etc., less/no
>>>>>>>> control over updates, weird update scheme with frequent problems, etc..
>>>>>>>> And, don't fix what ain't broken.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Even Microsoft crapware browser has no defense from this!
>>>>>>> get these false notifications, neither Firefox or opera allow this!
>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/vXSPqsd
>>>>>>> if you hit any of these so-called notification links your computer
>>>>>>> passwords etc will be handed over to hackers!
>>>>>>> Edge IE explorer needs uninstalling urgently
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now WIN11 will insist on it's use!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No it will not.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Showed a link to a article that says they will
>>>>> You use Edge browser?
>>>>>
>>>> And I showed two links to articles that say you won't so you lose by one
>>>> article.
>>>>
>>> So one can unistall this rubbish you think?
>>>
>> I'll tell you when my laptop gets update to W11, but whether its
>> installed or not, you don't have to use it.
>>
> Some reports sugest because of Microsofts security beliefs you will
> have to!
>
well they are wrong.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
>>>> Max <max@val.morgan> wrote
>>>>> Frank Slootweg wrote
>>>>>> keithr0 <user@account.invalid> wrote
>>>>>>> Frank Slootweg wrote
>>>>>>>> Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote

>>>>> >>>> Win8 was indeed a steaming crock of shit which is why M$ updated
>>>>> >>>> it
>>>>> >>>> to
>>>>> >>>> Win8.1 post haste. I can't say Win10 is as bad as Win8, nowhere
>>>>> >>>> near it
>>>>> >>>> in fact! If a person's first experience of computers was Win8, I
>>>>> >>>> could
>>>>> >>>> imagine that would be enough to drive them to any other OS, even
>>>>> >>>> the
>>>>> >>>> *dark side* (Mac). LOL
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Windows 8.1 was/is not all that bad, once you've figured out
>>>>> >>> how
>>>>> >>> to
>>>>> >>> get rid of the Fischer Price GUI.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> But that indeed only works for those who were used to Real
>>>>> >>> Windows (TM).
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> For those for whom 8[.1] was their first experience of
>>>>> >>> computers, they
>>>>> >>> would probably be in dire need for a clothing repair shop, because
>>>>> >>> they
>>>>> >>> would have tried to put the device in their shirt pocket, thinking
>>>>> >>> it
>>>>> >>> was some kind of gigantic smartphone.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >> The wife is perfectly happy with 8.1, but then she just uses it for
>>>>> >> e-mail and a bit of web browsing.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Same here, but my wife also uses a slide scanner to digitize old
>>>>> > slides, so she needs software support for that scanner, so Linux (or
>>>>> > ChromeOS or macOS) isn't really an option. Same for -
>>>>> > company-dependent
>>>>> > - software for making printed photo albums.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I'm also quite happy with 8.1. I got my 8.1. laptop just before
>>>>> > 10
>>>>> > came out and when it came out, it wasn't ready for prime time by a
>>>>> > long
>>>>> > shot, so I rolled-back to 8.1
>>>>> >
>>>>> > So we'll try to finish the 8.1 ride till we 'have to' move to 10
>>>>> > and
>>>>> > when 10 support ends, we'll reconsider our choices.
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>> What is your reason for sticking with version 8.1 ? Is it because you
>>>>> don't think your hardware can cope with version 10 ?
>>>>
>>>> As I wrote, when 10 came out, I shortly tried 10 and then rolled back
>>>>to 8.1, so I still could go to 10 if I wanted, but I don't.
>>>>
>>>> Why not? No advantages, less control over configuration, etc., less/no
>>>>control over updates, weird update scheme with frequent problems, etc..
>>>>And, don't fix what ain't broken.
>>>>
>>> Even Microsoft crapware browser has no defense from this!
>>> get these false notifications, neither Firefox or opera allow this!
>>> https://ibb.co/vXSPqsd
>>> if you hit any of these so-called notification links your computer
>>> passwords etc will be handed over to hackers!
>>> Edge IE explorer needs uninstalling urgently
>>
>>> Now WIN11 will insist on it's use!
>>
>>No it will not.

> Showed a link to a article that says they will

It says nothing of the kind and whatever it said, that claim is a lie
anyway.

> You use Edge browser?

Nope.