ISTR it was going to be closed this year?

Sorry Crystal ball is beyond economic repair.

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"SH" <i.love.spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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> ISTR it was going to be closed this year?
>

"SH" <i.love.spam@spam.com> wrote in message
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> ISTR it was going to be closed this year?

the original plan was "sometime before 2023"

"tim..." <timsnews99@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "SH" <i.love.spam@spam.com> wrote in message
> news:s6dr19$cbt$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>> ISTR it was going to be closed this year?
>
> the original plan was "sometime before 2023"

Presumably space has to be found on the other (PSB1-3, COM4-6) multiplexes
to accommodate the channels such as BBC News HD and BBC Four HD which
currently use COM7. Is it likely that this can happen before 2023, given
that at present the only T2 (for HD) multiplex is PSB3 which is full AFAIK.

On 29/04/2021 09:33, SH wrote:
> ISTR it was going to be closed this year?
>
Only licensed for broadcast use until June 30th 2022.

EE have just been awarded the spectrum it's using.

It'll be gone sometime between now and that date, possibly at only a
fortnight's notice (like COM 8 was)

On 29/04/2021 10:54, NY wrote:
> "tim..." <timsnews99@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:s6dvim$me1$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>>
>> "SH" <i.love.spam@spam.com> wrote in message
>> news:s6dr19$cbt$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> ISTR it was going to be closed this year?
>>
>> the original plan was "sometime before 2023"
>
> Presumably space has to be found on the other (PSB1-3, COM4-6)
> multiplexes to accommodate the channels such as BBC News HD and BBC
> Four HD which currently use COM7.

I doubt it. In fact I doubt BBC 4 as a channel will survive much longer
anyway.

We all have to come to terms that the two channels will lose their DTT
HD versions, at least medium term

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 10:54:45 +0100, "NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:

>"tim..." <timsnews99@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:s6dvim$me1$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>>
>> "SH" <i.love.spam@spam.com> wrote in message
>> news:s6dr19$cbt$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>> ISTR it was going to be closed this year?
>>
>> the original plan was "sometime before 2023"
>
>Presumably space has to be found on the other (PSB1-3, COM4-6) multiplexes
>to accommodate the channels such as BBC News HD and BBC Four HD which
>currently use COM7. Is it likely that this can happen before 2023, given
>that at present the only T2 (for HD) multiplex is PSB3 which is full AFAIK.

I understand BBC Three also has to be accommodated from 2022.

Can you mix SD and HD on the same multiplex in the way that DAB and
DAB+ stations can be included in the same digital radio multiplex?.

On 29/04/2021 12:24, Scott wrote:
>
> Can you mix SD and HD on the same multiplex in the way that DAB and
> DAB+ stations can be included in the same digital radio multiplex?.
Yes, you can, and both PSB 3 and COM 7 have had a mixture of SD and HD
services on them (still the case for COM7)

What you can't do is have a mux that's partly DVB-T and T2 etc

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On 29/04/2021 10:54, NY wrote:
>> "tim..." <timsnews99@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:s6dvim$me1$1@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>>
>>> "SH" <i.love.spam@spam.com> wrote in message
>>> news:s6dr19$cbt$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>> ISTR it was going to be closed this year?
>>>
>>> the original plan was "sometime before 2023"
>>
>> Presumably space has to be found on the other (PSB1-3, COM4-6)
>> multiplexes to accommodate the channels such as BBC News HD and BBC Four
>> HD which currently use COM7.
>
> I doubt it. In fact I doubt BBC 4 as a channel will survive much longer
> anyway.
>
> We all have to come to terms that the two channels will lose their DTT HD
> versions, at least medium term

I'd already come to terms with it. Since we moved to a new house, we've not
been able to receive COM7, probably because the aerial is a grouped one and
COM7 (and COM8 when it existed) is outside its range. If COM7 had been
likely to last a while, I'd have got the aerial changed, but since it's
going to disappear soon, it's not worth bothering about. I use satellite for
better-quality reception (fewer dropouts when terrestrial reception is
poor), with terrestrial for overlapping recordings that I want to watch once
rather than to keep, so dropouts are more acceptable.

Given that BBC Four is become an archive-material channel, with no new
programmes being made for it, I too wonder whether it is for the chop.
Shame, as it often has the best programmes: the things that would have been
on BBC2 in the past, before BBC2 became too mainstream for documentaries.

I still doubt the sanity of bringing BBC Three back onto terrestrial and
satellite. They got rid of it on there because they said that the younger
target audience tended not to watch linear TV and preferred to download
programmes over the internet. So what's changed now for them to reverse that
decision?

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:ievjk5F7fc6U1@mid.individual.net...
> On 29/04/2021 12:24, Scott wrote:
>>
>> Can you mix SD and HD on the same multiplex in the way that DAB and
>> DAB+ stations can be included in the same digital radio multiplex?.
> Yes, you can, and both PSB 3 and COM 7 have had a mixture of SD and HD
> services on them (still the case for COM7)
>
> What you can't do is have a mux that's partly DVB-T and T2 etc

Is there a requirement that all channels on a T2 multiplex have to be
compressed in the same way (ie H264), or can you have a T2 mux which has HD
channels using H264 and SD channels using MPEG? Does "T2" tend to imply
"H264"?

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 11:11:19 +0100, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 29/04/2021 09:33, SH wrote:
>> ISTR it was going to be closed this year?
>>
>Only licensed for broadcast use until June 30th 2022.
>
>EE have just been awarded the spectrum it's using.
>
>It'll be gone sometime between now and that date, possibly at only a
>fortnight's notice (like COM 8 was)

Well, I won't be upgrading or servicing my aerial then. COM7 is the
only channel with complications (due to reduced power).

On 29/04/2021 12:41, NY wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ievjk5F7fc6U1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 29/04/2021 12:24, Scott wrote:
>>>
>>> Can you mix SD and HD on the same multiplex in the way that DAB and
>>> DAB+ stations can be included in the same digital radio multiplex?.
>> Yes, you can, and both PSB 3 and COM 7 have had a mixture of SD and
>> HD services on them (still the case for COM7)
>>
>> What you can't do is have a mux that's partly DVB-T and T2 etc
>
> Is there a requirement that all channels on a T2 multiplex have to be
> compressed in the same way (ie H264), or can you have a T2 mux which
> has HD channels using H264 and SD channels using MPEG? Does "T2" tend
> to imply "H264"?

You can have whatever coding format you like on T1 or T2, and mix and
match, I don't think there's any technical restriction

What Ofcom allow on UK broadcasts is a different matter possibly.

On Thu 29/04/2021 12:34, NY wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ievf5iF6i7lU3@mid.individual.net...
>> On 29/04/2021 10:54, NY wrote:
>>> "tim..." <timsnews99@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:s6dvim$me1$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "SH" <i.love.spam@spam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:s6dr19$cbt$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>> ISTR it was going to be closed this year?
>>>>
>>>> the original plan was "sometime before 2023"
>>>
>>> Presumably space has to be found on the other (PSB1-3, COM4-6)
>>> multiplexes to accommodate the channels such as BBC News HD and BBC
>>> Four HD which currently use COM7.
>>
>> I doubt it. In fact I doubt BBC 4 as a channel will survive much
>> longer anyway.
>>
>> We all have to come to terms that the two channels will lose their DTT
>> HD versions, at least medium term
>
> I'd already come to terms with it. Since we moved to a new house, we've
> not been able to receive COM7, probably because the aerial is a grouped
> one and COM7 (and COM8 when it existed) is outside its range. If COM7
> had been likely to last a while, I'd have got the aerial changed, but
> since it's going to disappear soon, it's not worth bothering about. I
> use satellite for better-quality reception (fewer dropouts when
> terrestrial reception is poor), with terrestrial for overlapping
> recordings that I want to watch once rather than to keep, so dropouts
> are more acceptable.
>
> Given that BBC Four is become an archive-material channel, with no new
> programmes being made for it, I too wonder whether it is for the chop.
> Shame, as it often has the best programmes: the things that would have
> been on BBC2 in the past, before BBC2 became too mainstream for
> documentaries.
>
> I still doubt the sanity of bringing BBC Three back onto terrestrial and
> satellite. They got rid of it on there because they said that the
> younger target audience tended not to watch linear TV and preferred to
> download programmes over the internet. So what's changed now for them to
> reverse that decision?

I can understand why they took it off as well. I don't think I have ever
seen such poor quality foul mouthed c**p in my life (and that's only the
ones they put on BBC1 at 22:45 and later!!)

On 29/04/2021 11:13, Mark Carver wrote:
> We all have to come to terms that the two channels will lose their DTT
> HD versions, at least medium term

It's all part of the long march back to 405 line black and white.

Bill

"williamwright" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message
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> On 29/04/2021 11:13, Mark Carver wrote:
>> We all have to come to terms that the two channels will lose their DTT HD
>> versions, at least medium term
>
> It's all part of the long march back to 405 line black and white.

But without the quality of the programmes of the 405 era ;-)

On 29/04/2021 21:03, NY wrote:
> "williamwright" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message
> news:if0e7nFcd98U3@mid.individual.net...
>> On 29/04/2021 11:13, Mark Carver wrote:
>>> We all have to come to terms that the two channels will lose their
>>> DTT HD versions, at least medium term
>>
>> It's all part of the long march back to 405 line black and white.
>
> But without the quality of the programmes of the 405 era ;-)

"Never mind the quality, feel the width!"

Bill

williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
> On 29/04/2021 21:03, NY wrote:
>> "williamwright" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message
>> news:if0e7nFcd98U3@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 29/04/2021 11:13, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>> We all have to come to terms that the two channels will lose their
>>>> DTT HD versions, at least medium term
>>>
>>> It's all part of the long march back to 405 line black and white.
>>
>> But without the quality of the programmes of the 405 era ;-)
>
> "Never mind the quality, feel the width!"
>
> Bill
>

Are we sure the 405 era isn’t being remembered unduly fondly? BritBox has
been very enlightening for me. There’s lots of programmes that I remember
as being great/good, which on when coming to see them again have proved to
be very disappointing. Memory plays tricks it seems.

On 30/04/2021 06:47, Tweed wrote:
> williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>> On 29/04/2021 21:03, NY wrote:
>>> "williamwright" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message
>>> news:if0e7nFcd98U3@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 29/04/2021 11:13, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>>> We all have to come to terms that the two channels will lose their
>>>>> DTT HD versions, at least medium term
>>>>
>>>> It's all part of the long march back to 405 line black and white.
>>>
>>> But without the quality of the programmes of the 405 era ;-)
>>
>> "Never mind the quality, feel the width!"
>>
>> Bill
>>
>
> Are we sure the 405 era isn’t being remembered unduly fondly? BritBox has
> been very enlightening for me. There’s lots of programmes that I remember
> as being great/good, which on when coming to see them again have proved to
> be very disappointing. Memory plays tricks it seems.

I don't think it's a simple as that.

My favourite film comics were always Laurel and Hardy. For years I loved
watching their films and laughed my head off at their antics. When the
grandchildren came along, I dug out some of the L & H films on YouTube
to show them, as children love slapstick. Maybe it's because they were
in black and white, which the children weren't used to, but the children
didn't find them funny. I hadn't seen some of these films for years,
and, most surprisingly, I didn't find them particularly funny ether.

Perhaps my "funny bone" has aged along with all the others, and isn't
what it was!

--

Jeff

New brooms. However why not simply have one channel called BBC extra
containing bits from 3 and four? I thought it also shared bandwidth with one
of the children's channels too.
I seriously think the eventual aim is to get rid of everything except pay
per view or subscription over the web services except in areas where it
cannot be provided any other way. They can see directly who is watching and
listening to what and that might be good or bad depending on what the makers
think of the data.
Why do you think bbc took its radio off of Tune in?
Brian

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"NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote in message news:s6e5lh$pd$1@dont-email.me...
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ievf5iF6i7lU3@mid.individual.net...
>> On 29/04/2021 10:54, NY wrote:
>>> "tim..." <timsnews99@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:s6dvim$me1$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "SH" <i.love.spam@spam.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:s6dr19$cbt$1@gioia.aioe.org...
>>>>> ISTR it was going to be closed this year?
>>>>
>>>> the original plan was "sometime before 2023"
>>>
>>> Presumably space has to be found on the other (PSB1-3, COM4-6)
>>> multiplexes to accommodate the channels such as BBC News HD and BBC Four
>>> HD which currently use COM7.
>>
>> I doubt it. In fact I doubt BBC 4 as a channel will survive much longer
>> anyway.
>>
>> We all have to come to terms that the two channels will lose their DTT HD
>> versions, at least medium term
>
> I'd already come to terms with it. Since we moved to a new house, we've
> not been able to receive COM7, probably because the aerial is a grouped
> one and COM7 (and COM8 when it existed) is outside its range. If COM7 had
> been likely to last a while, I'd have got the aerial changed, but since
> it's going to disappear soon, it's not worth bothering about. I use
> satellite for better-quality reception (fewer dropouts when terrestrial
> reception is poor), with terrestrial for overlapping recordings that I
> want to watch once rather than to keep, so dropouts are more acceptable.
>
> Given that BBC Four is become an archive-material channel, with no new
> programmes being made for it, I too wonder whether it is for the chop.
> Shame, as it often has the best programmes: the things that would have
> been on BBC2 in the past, before BBC2 became too mainstream for
> documentaries.
>
> I still doubt the sanity of bringing BBC Three back onto terrestrial and
> satellite. They got rid of it on there because they said that the younger
> target audience tended not to watch linear TV and preferred to download
> programmes over the internet. So what's changed now for them to reverse
> that decision?

On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:06:04 +0100, Jeff Layman
<jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 30/04/2021 06:47, Tweed wrote:
>> williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>>> On 29/04/2021 21:03, NY wrote:
>>>> "williamwright" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:if0e7nFcd98U3@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> On 29/04/2021 11:13, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>>>> We all have to come to terms that the two channels will lose their
>>>>>> DTT HD versions, at least medium term
>>>>>
>>>>> It's all part of the long march back to 405 line black and white.
>>>>
>>>> But without the quality of the programmes of the 405 era ;-)
>>>
>>> "Never mind the quality, feel the width!"
>>>
>>> Bill
>>>
>>
>> Are we sure the 405 era isn’t being remembered unduly fondly? BritBox has
>> been very enlightening for me. There’s lots of programmes that I remember
>> as being great/good, which on when coming to see them again have proved to
>> be very disappointing. Memory plays tricks it seems.
>
>I don't think it's a simple as that.
>
>My favourite film comics were always Laurel and Hardy. For years I loved
>watching their films and laughed my head off at their antics. When the
>grandchildren came along, I dug out some of the L & H films on YouTube
>to show them, as children love slapstick. Maybe it's because they were
>in black and white, which the children weren't used to, but the children
>didn't find them funny. I hadn't seen some of these films for years,
>and, most surprisingly, I didn't find them particularly funny ether.
>
>Perhaps my "funny bone" has aged along with all the others, and isn't
>what it was!

I think the same can happen with music, if you listen to an album you
really liked a few years ago.

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:06:04 +0100, Jeff Layman
> <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 30/04/2021 06:47, Tweed wrote:
>>> williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>>>> On 29/04/2021 21:03, NY wrote:
>>>>> "williamwright" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:if0e7nFcd98U3@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>> On 29/04/2021 11:13, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>>>>> We all have to come to terms that the two channels will lose their
>>>>>>> DTT HD versions, at least medium term
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's all part of the long march back to 405 line black and white.
>>>>>
>>>>> But without the quality of the programmes of the 405 era ;-)
>>>>
>>>> "Never mind the quality, feel the width!"
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are we sure the 405 era isn’t being remembered unduly fondly? BritBox has
>>> been very enlightening for me. There’s lots of programmes that I remember
>>> as being great/good, which on when coming to see them again have proved to
>>> be very disappointing. Memory plays tricks it seems.
>>
>> I don't think it's a simple as that.
>>
>> My favourite film comics were always Laurel and Hardy. For years I loved
>> watching their films and laughed my head off at their antics. When the
>> grandchildren came along, I dug out some of the L & H films on YouTube
>> to show them, as children love slapstick. Maybe it's because they were
>> in black and white, which the children weren't used to, but the children
>> didn't find them funny. I hadn't seen some of these films for years,
>> and, most surprisingly, I didn't find them particularly funny ether.
>>
>> Perhaps my "funny bone" has aged along with all the others, and isn't
>> what it was!
>
> I think the same can happen with music, if you listen to an album you
> really liked a few years ago.
>

I don’t really subscribe to the common view that things were better in
years gone by. I’m a child of the early sixties, and I can’t think of too
many things that were better in the past. Certainly the things that are
better now outweigh those that have got worse.

On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 09:24:30 +0100, Scott
<newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

>>My favourite film comics were always Laurel and Hardy. For years I loved
>>watching their films and laughed my head off at their antics. When the
>>grandchildren came along, I dug out some of the L & H films on YouTube
>>to show them, as children love slapstick. Maybe it's because they were
>>in black and white, which the children weren't used to, but the children
>>didn't find them funny. I hadn't seen some of these films for years,
>>and, most surprisingly, I didn't find them particularly funny ether.
>>
>>Perhaps my "funny bone" has aged along with all the others, and isn't
>>what it was!
>
>I think the same can happen with music, if you listen to an album you
>really liked a few years ago.

I've found that to happen with music too, but funnily enough only with
the rock/pop stuff, and some experimental electronic music I used to
collect. Nearly all the classical music I've ever heard I can happily
listen to again and again and it never seems to go stale. Perhaps
there's a reason why some of it has lasted hundreds of years.

Rod.

On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:55:03 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:06:04 +0100, Jeff Layman
>> <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/04/2021 06:47, Tweed wrote:
>>>> williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 29/04/2021 21:03, NY wrote:
>>>>>> "williamwright" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:if0e7nFcd98U3@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>> On 29/04/2021 11:13, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>>>>>> We all have to come to terms that the two channels will lose their
>>>>>>>> DTT HD versions, at least medium term
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's all part of the long march back to 405 line black and white.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But without the quality of the programmes of the 405 era ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> "Never mind the quality, feel the width!"
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill
>>>>>
>>>> Are we sure the 405 era isn?t being remembered unduly fondly? BritBox has
>>>> been very enlightening for me. There?s lots of programmes that I remember
>>>> as being great/good, which on when coming to see them again have proved to
>>>> be very disappointing. Memory plays tricks it seems.
>>>
>>> I don't think it's a simple as that.
>>>
>>> My favourite film comics were always Laurel and Hardy. For years I loved
>>> watching their films and laughed my head off at their antics. When the
>>> grandchildren came along, I dug out some of the L & H films on YouTube
>>> to show them, as children love slapstick. Maybe it's because they were
>>> in black and white, which the children weren't used to, but the children
>>> didn't find them funny. I hadn't seen some of these films for years,
>>> and, most surprisingly, I didn't find them particularly funny ether.
>>>
>>> Perhaps my "funny bone" has aged along with all the others, and isn't
>>> what it was!
>>
>> I think the same can happen with music, if you listen to an album you
>> really liked a few years ago.
>>
>I don’t really subscribe to the common view that things were better in
>years gone by. I’m a child of the early sixties, and I can’t think of too
>many things that were better in the past. Certainly the things that are
>better now outweigh those that have got worse.

Was build quality better then? Appliances lasted longer but cars were
rust buckets.

No doubt we are better off materially but socially I'm not so sure.

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:55:03 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:06:04 +0100, Jeff Layman
>>> <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30/04/2021 06:47, Tweed wrote:
>>>>> williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 29/04/2021 21:03, NY wrote:
>>>>>>> "williamwright" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:if0e7nFcd98U3@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>> On 29/04/2021 11:13, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>>>>>>> We all have to come to terms that the two channels will lose their
>>>>>>>>> DTT HD versions, at least medium term
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's all part of the long march back to 405 line black and white.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But without the quality of the programmes of the 405 era ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Never mind the quality, feel the width!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>
>>>>> Are we sure the 405 era isn?t being remembered unduly fondly? BritBox has
>>>>> been very enlightening for me. There?s lots of programmes that I remember
>>>>> as being great/good, which on when coming to see them again have proved to
>>>>> be very disappointing. Memory plays tricks it seems.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think it's a simple as that.
>>>>
>>>> My favourite film comics were always Laurel and Hardy. For years I loved
>>>> watching their films and laughed my head off at their antics. When the
>>>> grandchildren came along, I dug out some of the L & H films on YouTube
>>>> to show them, as children love slapstick. Maybe it's because they were
>>>> in black and white, which the children weren't used to, but the children
>>>> didn't find them funny. I hadn't seen some of these films for years,
>>>> and, most surprisingly, I didn't find them particularly funny ether.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps my "funny bone" has aged along with all the others, and isn't
>>>> what it was!
>>>
>>> I think the same can happen with music, if you listen to an album you
>>> really liked a few years ago.
>>>
>> I don’t really subscribe to the common view that things were better in
>> years gone by. I’m a child of the early sixties, and I can’t think of too
>> many things that were better in the past. Certainly the things that are
>> better now outweigh those that have got worse.
>
> Was build quality better then? Appliances lasted longer but cars were
> rust buckets.
>
> No doubt we are better off materially but socially I'm not so sure.
>

Socially? Discrimination against people because of their sexual orientation
is vastly much reduced. Women’s rights, eg equal pay, much improved.
Physical and sexual abuse of spouses and children no longer acceptable.
Drink driving no longer acceptable. Deference and “knowing your place” much
reduced.

On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 12:46:55 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:55:03 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 30 Apr 2021 08:06:04 +0100, Jeff Layman
>>>> <jmlayman@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 30/04/2021 06:47, Tweed wrote:
>>>>>> williamwright <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 29/04/2021 21:03, NY wrote:
>>>>>>>> "williamwright" <wrightsaerials@f2s.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:if0e7nFcd98U3@mid.individual.net...
>>>>>>>>> On 29/04/2021 11:13, Mark Carver wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> We all have to come to terms that the two channels will lose their
>>>>>>>>>> DTT HD versions, at least medium term
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's all part of the long march back to 405 line black and white.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But without the quality of the programmes of the 405 era ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Never mind the quality, feel the width!"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are we sure the 405 era isn?t being remembered unduly fondly? BritBox has
>>>>>> been very enlightening for me. There?s lots of programmes that I remember
>>>>>> as being great/good, which on when coming to see them again have proved to
>>>>>> be very disappointing. Memory plays tricks it seems.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think it's a simple as that.
>>>>>
>>>>> My favourite film comics were always Laurel and Hardy. For years I loved
>>>>> watching their films and laughed my head off at their antics. When the
>>>>> grandchildren came along, I dug out some of the L & H films on YouTube
>>>>> to show them, as children love slapstick. Maybe it's because they were
>>>>> in black and white, which the children weren't used to, but the children
>>>>> didn't find them funny. I hadn't seen some of these films for years,
>>>>> and, most surprisingly, I didn't find them particularly funny ether.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps my "funny bone" has aged along with all the others, and isn't
>>>>> what it was!
>>>>
>>>> I think the same can happen with music, if you listen to an album you
>>>> really liked a few years ago.
>>>>
>>> I don?t really subscribe to the common view that things were better in
>>> years gone by. I?m a child of the early sixties, and I can?t think of too
>>> many things that were better in the past. Certainly the things that are
>>> better now outweigh those that have got worse.
>>
>> Was build quality better then? Appliances lasted longer but cars were
>> rust buckets.
>>
>> No doubt we are better off materially but socially I'm not so sure.
>>
>
>Socially? Discrimination against people because of their sexual orientation
>is vastly much reduced. Women’s rights, eg equal pay, much improved.
>Physical and sexual abuse of spouses and children no longer acceptable.
>Drink driving no longer acceptable. Deference and “knowing your place” much
>reduced.

Respect for the needs of older people, knowing and helping neighbours,
queuing, road rage, observation while walking on the pavement?