Watching on Sky 515, it's the only channel I've seen for years with lip
sync problems, anybody else seeing this?

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In article <xn0mz3ki22s67ed007@news.individual.net>,
Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Watching on Sky 515, it's the only channel I've seen for years with
> lip sync problems, anybody else seeing this?

Same on Freeview and variable sound levels.

Bob.

"Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> Watching on Sky 515, it's the only channel I've seen for years with lip
> sync problems, anybody else seeing this?

Yes, terrible sync problems. I'm glad it's not just me. I'm watching a
recording of the HD feed on satellite. I don't know what the effect is on SD
on terrestrial. It was bad with Andrew Neil's introduction and for the time
when the reporters (north east, Northern Ireland, south east) introduced
themselves - though the Birmingham reporter was bang in sync. I presume
those introductions were recorded rather than live.

"NY" <me@privacy.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>
>> Watching on Sky 515, it's the only channel I've seen for years with lip
>> sync problems, anybody else seeing this?
>
> Yes, terrible sync problems. I'm glad it's not just me. I'm watching a
> recording of the HD feed on satellite. I don't know what the effect is on
> SD on terrestrial. It was bad with Andrew Neil's introduction and for the
> time when the reporters (north east, Northern Ireland, south east)
> introduced themselves - though the Birmingham reporter was bang in sync. I
> presume those introductions were recorded rather than live.

I've just watched the recording of start of Tonight Live with Dan Wootton,
which includes the tail-end of the previous programme "Welcome to GB News".
By the end of the Welcome programme, lip sync seemed to be a lot better,
though not perfect. But then as I watched, it slipped back to terrible at
the start of the Dan Wootton programme after the transition between Andrew
Neil's handover "take it away Dan", the Dan Wootton title sequence and Dan
starting to talk. Skipping forwards about 20 minutes, it had got better
again.

There are obviously gremlins that have crept in, which *hopefully* the
techies will root out and fix. Embarrassing for them that the gremlins
didn't manifest themselves on any of the testing in the preceding days. From
what I remember, the looped trailers over the past few days were bang on, so
it;s only the live stuff that is in and out of sync.

What a mess visually. Just turned off the bit with Alan Sugar who was about half the size (screenwise) of the studio presenter. Can't they afford trained vision mixers?

And rubbish definition. What bit rate are they using? Have the beancounters taken over already and said how much money you can save with fuzzy pictures.

What I have seen so far is so amateur.

Sad.

Tony

"TonyGamble" <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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> What a mess visually. Just turned off the bit with Alan Sugar who was
> about half the size (screenwise) of the studio presenter. Can't they
> afford trained vision mixers?
>
> And rubbish definition. What bit rate are they using? Have the
> beancounters taken over already and said how much money you can save with
> fuzzy pictures.
>
> What I have seen so far is so amateur.

At a quick dip-in, the picture quality on HD satellite looks fairly good.
Andrew Neil's camera looks very ropy (lack of sharpness, noise, low bit
rate) but the other cameras where there are dual-screen shots looked
sharper. There was a cockup at 20:09 when Andrew Neil was talking to Neil
Oliver and Neil was badly off-mike and at one point there was a whispered
female voice "Yes, well I don't know" - looks like someone faded up the
wrong mike. Ah! His mike had fallen off his shirt ;-)

It will be interesting to see how the technical standards improve over the
coming days. There's definitely something badly wrong with Andrew Neil's
camera: it needs a good bit of fettling! I almost wonder whether it's an SD
camera whose picture has been upscaled to HD.

I'm not sure I like Dan Wootton.: there's something about his manner which
makes me feel uncomfortable.

On 13/06/2021 20:44, Jeff Gaines wrote:
>
> Watching on Sky 515, it's the only channel I've seen for years with lip
> sync problems, anybody else seeing this?
>

Forget that.

Why was Andrew Neil in semi darkness, so much so that he looked really
grainy.

Then at the start of "Tonight Live", the first real program, a whole
load of the presenters questionable personal opinion about COVID and
lockdown presented in a way that, at least to me, didn't seem at all
balanced.

I gave up at that point.

--
Brian Gregory (in England).

Watched 6.00 to 6.10 this morning out of curiosity.

Sound balance problems as they cut from studio to ob or vtr.

Image sharper without the Andrew Neil image dominating.

All rather 'jolly'. A bit like that wierd thing on BBC1 that follows the Breakfast prog with all those trainers and sweat shirts to prove they are part of 'the people' and all the potted palms.

It can't be easy to start a news channel but I wonder where they poached their staff from - or did they use the pool of ones without jobs?

Are you sure they are not just refurbished Gerry Andersons Supermarionation,
puppets?
Brian

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> Jeff Gaines <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Watching on Sky 515, it's the only channel I've seen for years with
>> lip sync problems, anybody else seeing this?
>
> Same on Freeview and variable sound levels.
>
> Bob.
>

Seriously though, it should be simple with modern kit to have a time
signature that could effectively make sure they were delayed so they agreed.
The old problems tended to be when the audio and video got separated or had
different delays for som reason.
Brian

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> "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>
>> Watching on Sky 515, it's the only channel I've seen for years with lip
>> sync problems, anybody else seeing this?
>
> Yes, terrible sync problems. I'm glad it's not just me. I'm watching a
> recording of the HD feed on satellite. I don't know what the effect is on
> SD on terrestrial. It was bad with Andrew Neil's introduction and for the
> time when the reporters (north east, Northern Ireland, south east)
> introduced themselves - though the Birmingham reporter was bang in sync. I
> presume those introductions were recorded rather than live.

Andrew Neil is far too full of himself of late, presenting his views as the
one true way a lot more than he used to.
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"TonyGamble" <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote in message
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> Watched 6.00 to 6.10 this morning out of curiosity.
>
> Sound balance problems as they cut from studio to ob or vtr.
>
> Image sharper without the Andrew Neil image dominating.
>
> All rather 'jolly'. A bit like that wierd thing on BBC1 that follows the
> Breakfast prog with all those trainers and sweat shirts to prove they are
> part of 'the people' and all the potted palms.
>
> It can't be easy to start a news channel but I wonder where they poached
> their staff from - or did they use the pool of ones without jobs?
>
>
>
>

On 13/06/2021 in message <iinfn3FfjrdU1@mid.individual.net> Brian Gregory
wrote:

>>Watching on Sky 515, it's the only channel I've seen for years with lip
>>sync problems, anybody else seeing this?
>>
>
>Forget that.
>
>Why was Andrew Neil in semi darkness, so much so that he looked really
>grainy.

Thank heavens for small mercies, he looks better in the dark :-)

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This is as bad as it can get, but don't bet on it

On Mon 14/06/2021 06:24, TonyGamble wrote:
> Watched 6.00 to 6.10 this morning out of curiosity.
>
> Sound balance problems as they cut from studio to ob or vtr.
>
> Image sharper without the Andrew Neil image dominating.
>
> All rather 'jolly'. A bit like that wierd thing on BBC1 that follows the Breakfast prog with all those trainers and sweat shirts to prove they are part of 'the people' and all the potted palms.
>
> It can't be easy to start a news channel but I wonder where they poached their staff from - or did they use the pool of ones without jobs?
>
>
>
>

Could it be that AN is at his home in France and coming in by Interweb?

When has has been on GMB or Sky from there the picture and sound has
been good so, along with the other picture and sound sync problems could
it be that they have a poor Interweb connection at their studios?

On Mon 14/06/2021 08:58, Woody wrote:
> On Mon 14/06/2021 06:24, TonyGamble wrote:
>> Watched 6.00 to 6.10 this morning out of curiosity.
>>
>> Sound balance problems as they cut from studio to ob or vtr.
>>
>> Image sharper without the Andrew Neil image dominating.
>>
>> All rather 'jolly'. A bit like that wierd thing on BBC1 that follows
>> the Breakfast prog with all those trainers and sweat shirts to prove
>> they are part of 'the people' and all the potted palms.
>>
>> It can't be easy to start a news channel but I wonder where they
>> poached their staff from - or did they use the pool of ones without jobs?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Could it be that AN is at his home in France and coming in by Interweb?
>
> When has has been on GMB or Sky from there the picture and sound has
> been good so, along with the other picture and sound sync problems could
> it be that they have a poor Interweb connection at their studios?

We turned it on this morning and saw two presenters. Wasn't until the
woman of colour in the middle in a red dress moved that we realised
there was three of them - but it was so dingy you still couldn't see
her, just the moving red dress.

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Are you sure they are not just refurbished Gerry Andersons Supermarionation,
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The folk that come on after BBC Breakfast are like characters from the Muppets with their arms on little sticks that are pushed up by animators underneath. Nobody gesticulates like that in real life.

On Monday, 14 June 2021 at 09:00:49 UTC+1, Woody wrote:
> On Mon 14/06/2021 08:58, Woody wrote:

> > Could it be that AN is at his home in France and coming in by Interweb?
> >
If he is then he is a brave man. I would not launch a new channel from a thousand miles away. I'd be in the studio making sure any glitches were sorted asap.

From what I have seen this morning the breakfast programme needs a damned good editor. Too much waffle.

Tony G - who was there on the first day of LWT and when the union pulled the plugs on us.

On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:24:57 -0700 (PDT), TonyGamble
<tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote:

>Watched 6.00 to 6.10 this morning out of curiosity.
>
>Sound balance problems as they cut from studio to ob or vtr.
>
>Image sharper without the Andrew Neil image dominating.
>
>All rather 'jolly'. A bit like that wierd thing on BBC1 that follows the Breakfast prog with all those trainers and sweat shirts to prove they are part of 'the people' and all the potted palms.
>
>It can't be easy to start a news channel but I wonder where they poached their staff from - or did they use the pool of ones without jobs?
>
>
>

I read through this thread, and switched on at 9.15 am "out of
curiosity" too. I'm watching on Virgin 626, allegedly HD.

Lip sync problems still apparent in the studio, though not from the
"guests" around the country. The shot from Durham started off with a
dreadful echo on sound, which they cleared after a few seconds.

One of the commercials a few minutes ago was advertising "How to buy
gold bullion". Not something I'm ever likely to do. I wonder what
their target audience is.

Switched off about 9.28. Seems a fair trial! :-)

"Woody" <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Could it be that AN is at his home in France and coming in by Interweb?

He was certainly in the studio last night because there was a chat between
him and Neil Oliver (Neil's mike dropped off and he went badly off-mike),
and there were shots of both of them facing each other.

Otherwise, I could well have believed that AN was via a webcam...

On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 09:31:08 +0100
John Armstrong <jja@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>On Sun, 13 Jun 2021 22:24:57 -0700 (PDT), TonyGamble
><tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote:
>
>>Watched 6.00 to 6.10 this morning out of curiosity.
>>
>>Sound balance problems as they cut from studio to ob or vtr.
>>
>>Image sharper without the Andrew Neil image dominating.
>>
>>All rather 'jolly'. A bit like that wierd thing on BBC1 that follows the
>Breakfast prog with all those trainers and sweat shirts to prove they are part
>of 'the people' and all the potted palms.
>>
>>It can't be easy to start a news channel but I wonder where they poached
>their staff from - or did they use the pool of ones without jobs?

A lot of the presenters and back office staff were poached from Wireless Group.
Dan Wooten came from talkRadio, ditto Neil Oliver who did a section on Mike
Grahams show for a year, De Perio came from Times Radio.

"A lot of the presenters and back office staff were poached from Wireless Group"

According to their web site they supply radio material.

That explains the problem of working on television then.

On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 02:56:40 -0700 (PDT)
TonyGamble <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote:
>"A lot of the presenters and back office staff were poached from Wireless
>Group"
>
>According to their web site they supply radio material.
>
>That explains the problem of working on television then.

Radio and TV presenters are pretty interchangable these days and have been
for quite a while.

On 13/06/2021 09:49 pm, NY wrote:
> "Jeff Gaines" <jgaines_newsid@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:xn0mz3ki22s67ed007@news.individual.net...
>>
>> Watching on Sky 515, it's the only channel I've seen for years with
>> lip sync problems, anybody else seeing this?
>
> Yes, terrible sync problems. I'm glad it's not just me. I'm watching a
> recording of the HD feed on satellite. I don't know what the effect is
> on SD on terrestrial. It was bad with Andrew Neil's introduction and for
> the time when the reporters (north east, Northern Ireland, south east)
> introduced themselves - though the Birmingham reporter was bang in sync.
> I presume those introductions were recorded rather than live.

Although Andrew Neil was eventually shown (by a reflection in a glass
panel) to be in the studio with several other presenters, at first, due
to the fuzzy nature of his image on-screen, I thought he was at home,
phoning it in on Facetime.

On 14/06/2021 08:58 am, Woody wrote:
> On Mon 14/06/2021 06:24, TonyGamble wrote:
>> Watched 6.00 to 6.10 this morning out of curiosity.
>>
>> Sound balance problems as they cut from studio to ob or vtr.
>>
>> Image sharper without the Andrew Neil image dominating.
>>
>> All rather 'jolly'. A bit like that wierd thing on BBC1 that follows
>> the Breakfast prog with all those trainers and sweat shirts to prove
>> they are part of 'the people' and all the potted palms.
>>
>> It can't be easy to start a news channel but I wonder where they
>> poached their staff from - or did they use the pool of ones without jobs?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Could it be that AN is at his home in France and coming in by Interweb?

I thought that at first. But later, his reflection cold be seen on a
glass panel when one of the other presenters was shown from a certain angle.
>
> When has has been on GMB or Sky from there the picture and sound has
> been good so, along with the other picture and sound sync problems could
> it be that they have a poor Interweb connection at their studios?

"Radio and TV presenters are pretty interchangable these days and have been
for quite a while. "

Interchangable maybe but not necessarily possessing the same skills.

Likewise the engineers, as proven when they cut to one outside reporter this morning at about 6.10. Desparately over exposed video and ineffective sound - corrected with the second try.

Followed with a recording of a sea front interview with Mrs Patel where the volume was far too low.

There is an anecdote that ITN say their finest news bulleting ever was their very first - having had a year to practice it. This morning's was more akin to a bunch of students wheeled in to have a tinker with some kit they had hardly ever seen before.

John Armstrong wrote:

> switched on at 9.15 am

14:05 someone off-camera trying to snort a microphone?