On 15/06/2021 14:50, Chris J Dixon wrote:
>
> Somewhere on line I have seen a broadcast with talkback included,
> where the gallery are going absolutely frantic, but I have sadly
> no idea where I found it.
>
Here's a classic clip of BBC director Stewart Morris doing the 1977
Eurovision Song Contest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTgCLfYdRo4

Briliant.

Any more Mark?

>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTgCLfYdRo4

On 17/06/2021 09:05, TonyGamble wrote:
> Briliant.
>
> Any more Mark?
>
Yep, this one, where the BBC lunchtime news falls apart, but everyone
keeps it going !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uocWx1-7Uo

This came up automatically after the Eurovision one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ze2QK_2fSo

On 16/06/2021 06:58 pm, Tweed wrote:
> NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
>> "Robin" <rbw@outlook.com> wrote in message
>> news:30cd4099-6b01-d120-cb67-cfa3b44b13b4@outlook.com...
>>> On 16/06/2021 13:33, NY wrote:
>>>> "Andy Burns" <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:iiu77oFotjaU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>>> Jeff Gaines wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> lip sync problems
>>>>>
>>>>> audio gremlins gone today?
>>>>
>>>> What do you think? Of course they haven't :-(
>>>>
>>>> Just watched the programme that's going out now and one of the reporters
>>>> seems to be connected by low bandwidth mobile internet, so the picture is
>>>> breaking up into macro blocks and has horrendous sync problems. Now some
>>>> of that may be the poor way the reporter is communicating with the
>>>> studio, but even the presenters have some sync problem.
>>>>
>>>> This one will run and run: until they get their equipment supplier and
>>>> commissioner back in to sort it out properly.
>>>>
>>>> I'm amazed that this problem wasn't sorted out in the pre-launch
>>>> acceptance testing, unless it only became apparent when they started
>>>> broadcasting. The fact that the amount of lag seems to vary from camera
>>>> to camera within the studio suggests that it is internal and is *not* a
>>>> broadcasting artefact.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder if us techies will ever get to hear what the problem is caused
>>>> by.
>>>
>>> As a non-techie I'm interested in why the sync can be different on
>>> Freeview (where awful) from online(where OK)? And whether the reason is
>>> necessarily within GB News kit rather than within Red Bee's services?
>>
>> Over the past few days I've seen good and bad sync with satellite,
>> terrestrial and online, sometimes between one camera and another within the
>> same interview. There seems to be a trend that each new programme (or even
>> segment within the same programme) starts bad and gradually gets better.
>> That sounds as if it's originating within the studio, rather than after it's
>> left the studio and gone to the satellite, terrestrial or online broadcast
>> equipment.
>>
>>
>> Changing the subject completely, why is the channel called "GB News" when
>> most of their output is opinion and comment, and they have very little
>> news-bulletin coverage? Or aren't I supposed to ask that question?
>
> News, comment? Prompted by this group I tried to watch it this afternoon
> from around 1630 to 1715. It was utterly cringeworthy. It was more akin to
> a Victoria Wood parody. At one point it went to a whole segment that was a
> webcam interview with an owner of a motor home rental company who was
> having a bumper summer (surprise surprise). It was introduced as being
> pulled forwards from the “good news” segment because it was so important. I
> was hoping that the 1630 to 1700 segment was filler and it would turn into
> something sensible at 1700, but it didn’t. There wasn’t enough content to
> even judge if it was the alleged right wing antidote to the BBC. Made my
> BBC local news TV programme look the pinnacle of intellectual output, and
> I’d always considered that to be lightweight.

I'd say that the 20:00 interview with Rishi Sunak was what we'd been
waiting for: Andrew Neil doing what Andrew Neil does best. It was
followed by a commentary section with Michael Portillo + 1 other (I
haven't watched that bit yet, but soon will. It might have been better
by having Diane Abbott paired up with Portillo.

It's a great shame that the Sunak interview (or an interview with any
political figure of similar stature) couldn't have been done on launch
night.

On 17/06/2021 09:19, TonyGamble wrote:
> This came up automatically after the Eurovision one.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ze2QK_2fSo
Oh, yes, that's an industry classic !

On 15:49 16 Jun 2021, NY said:

> "Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:XnsAD4B9B09766CC37B93@144.76.35.252...
>
>> Live quality is so poor on Freeview, it's almost as if they're not
>> using full SD.
>
> They're not. I'd been watching on satellite (where their channel is
> 1920x1080 HD *) and when I happened to look at terrestrial I noticed
> that they are sub-SD: 544x576 rather than 720x576. So they are like
> Drama, Yesterday, Talking Pictures - lower res than normal SD.

Such poor picture resolution makes GB News look as if they're not serious
about sticking around.

How on earth is it possible to flunk a long-planned and well-resourced
launch with such technical shortcomings? Cheeky chappie Alex Belfield on
YouTube blows GB News away by using a handheld iPhone in his living room.

On 17/06/2021 10:58, Pamela wrote:
> On 15:49 16 Jun 2021, NY said:
>
>> "Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:XnsAD4B9B09766CC37B93@144.76.35.252...
>>
>>> Live quality is so poor on Freeview, it's almost as if they're not
>>> using full SD.
>> They're not. I'd been watching on satellite (where their channel is
>> 1920x1080 HD *) and when I happened to look at terrestrial I noticed
>> that they are sub-SD: 544x576 rather than 720x576. So they are like
>> Drama, Yesterday, Talking Pictures - lower res than normal SD.
> Such poor picture resolution makes GB News look as if they're not serious
> about sticking around.
>
They are HD on satellite (not withstanding the actual problem they have
setting up the cameras)

Even the mighty Sky corp are only in sub-SD 544 x 576 on Freeview with
Sky News and Sky Arts

On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 10:58:44 +0100, Pamela
<pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 15:49 16 Jun 2021, NY said:
>
>> "Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:XnsAD4B9B09766CC37B93@144.76.35.252...
>>
>>> Live quality is so poor on Freeview, it's almost as if they're not
>>> using full SD.
>>
>> They're not. I'd been watching on satellite (where their channel is
>> 1920x1080 HD *) and when I happened to look at terrestrial I noticed
>> that they are sub-SD: 544x576 rather than 720x576. So they are like
>> Drama, Yesterday, Talking Pictures - lower res than normal SD.
>
>Such poor picture resolution makes GB News look as if they're not serious
>about sticking around.
>
>How on earth is it possible to flunk a long-planned and well-resourced
>launch with such technical shortcomings? Cheeky chappie Alex Belfield on
>YouTube blows GB News away by using a handheld iPhone in his living room.

It seems the antiwoke viewpoint is costing them revene, see
https://pressgazette.co.uk/gb-news-advertising-boycott/

Search Google with <gb news woke advert> for much more.

--
brightside S9

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:ij0eifF7fhqU2@mid.individual.net...
> On 17/06/2021 09:05, TonyGamble wrote:
>> Briliant.
>>
>> Any more Mark?
>>
> Yep, this one, where the BBC lunchtime news falls apart, but everyone
> keeps it going !
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uocWx1-7Uo

How common is it for recorded/filmed inserts not to be available on-cue in a
news bulletin *and for the director not (apparently) to know about this
until the moment the insert is cued*? Ideally you'd expect all the inserts
to be ready at the time that the running order and autocue script are
finalised, but failing that you'd expect the director to have a *bit* of
notice that an insert is not ready.

On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 11:08:56 +0100
Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On 17/06/2021 10:58, Pamela wrote:
>> On 15:49 16 Jun 2021, NY said:
>>
>>> "Pamela" <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:XnsAD4B9B09766CC37B93@144.76.35.252...
>>>
>>>> Live quality is so poor on Freeview, it's almost as if they're not
>>>> using full SD.
>>> They're not. I'd been watching on satellite (where their channel is
>>> 1920x1080 HD *) and when I happened to look at terrestrial I noticed
>>> that they are sub-SD: 544x576 rather than 720x576. So they are like
>>> Drama, Yesterday, Talking Pictures - lower res than normal SD.
>> Such poor picture resolution makes GB News look as if they're not serious
>> about sticking around.
>>
>They are HD on satellite (not withstanding the actual problem they have
>setting up the cameras)
>
>Even the mighty Sky corp are only in sub-SD 544 x 576 on Freeview with
>Sky News and Sky Arts

They're hardly going to put out a picture quality as good as the satellite
system they try to flog.

On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 11:15:27 +0100
BrightsideS9 <reply_to_address_is_not@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 10:58:44 +0100, Pamela
><pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote:
>>How on earth is it possible to flunk a long-planned and well-resourced
>>launch with such technical shortcomings? Cheeky chappie Alex Belfield on
>>YouTube blows GB News away by using a handheld iPhone in his living room.
>
>
>It seems the antiwoke viewpoint is costing them revene, see
>https://pressgazette.co.uk/gb-news-advertising-boycott/
>
>Search Google with <gb news woke advert> for much more.

No doubt some advertisers who never intended to work with them long anyway but
decided to get a bit of free PR with the virtue signalling crowd by
pretending to flounce off. Unless the people in those companys marketing
depts are so cretinously stupid they didn't realise what GBNews was about.

talkRadio is very anti-woke yet they have plenty of ads so there's no shortage.

In article <safa4o$m7q$1@dont-email.me>, NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ij0eifF7fhqU2@mid.individual.net...
> > On 17/06/2021 09:05, TonyGamble wrote:
> >> Briliant.
> >>
> >> Any more Mark?
> >>
> > Yep, this one, where the BBC lunchtime news falls apart, but everyone
> > keeps it going !
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uocWx1-7Uo

> How common is it for recorded/filmed inserts not to be available on-cue
> in a news bulletin *and for the director not (apparently) to know about
> this until the moment the insert is cued*? Ideally you'd expect all the
> inserts to be ready at the time that the running order and autocue
> script are finalised, but failing that you'd expect the director to have
> a *bit* of notice that an insert is not ready.

>
In the days of Nationwide, one director was known for calling "Run opening
titles" when he was still in the corridor on the way back from the bar.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

"BrightsideS9" <reply_to_address_is_not@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:lu7mcgltnhjnbl45hf4tdckmv3q9ke090k@4ax.com...
> It seems the antiwoke viewpoint is costing them revene, see
> https://pressgazette.co.uk/gb-news-advertising-boycott/
>
> Search Google with <gb news woke advert> for much more.

The anti-woke stance is a point of view and makes a refreshing change from
having "wokeness" rammed down your throat. (*) But GB News's anti-vaccine
stance is bizarre. Are they also anti-lockdown and anti-mask? Do they want a
Sweden-like free-for-all lack of restrictions? Did the Swedish stance
actually help or hinder them? It GB News' anti-vaccine stance that turns me
off them.

(*) Obviously if you go too far you become offensive, but the balance needs
to be redressed a *little* bit, by recognising that we shouldn't put the
needs of minorities ahead of needs and expectations of majorities.

On 17/06/2021 12:02, NY wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ij0eifF7fhqU2@mid.individual.net...
>> On 17/06/2021 09:05, TonyGamble wrote:
>>> Briliant.
>>>
>>> Any more Mark?
>>>
>> Yep, this one, where the BBC lunchtime news falls apart, but everyone
>> keeps it going !
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uocWx1-7Uo
>
> How common is it for recorded/filmed inserts not to be available
> on-cue in a news bulletin *and for the director not (apparently) to
> know about this until the moment the insert is cued*?
Back in 1986 very rare, hence the reason the You Tube recording is of
interest.

I get the impression from the recording, someone hadn't done all the
paperwork, and that's why they were in trouble ?

NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> "BrightsideS9" <reply_to_address_is_not@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:lu7mcgltnhjnbl45hf4tdckmv3q9ke090k@4ax.com...
>> It seems the antiwoke viewpoint is costing them revene, see
>> https://pressgazette.co.uk/gb-news-advertising-boycott/
>>
>> Search Google with <gb news woke advert> for much more.
>
> The anti-woke stance is a point of view and makes a refreshing change from
> having "wokeness" rammed down your throat. (*) But GB News's anti-vaccine
> stance is bizarre. Are they also anti-lockdown and anti-mask? Do they want a
> Sweden-like free-for-all lack of restrictions? Did the Swedish stance
> actually help or hinder them? It GB News' anti-vaccine stance that turns me
> off them.
>
>
> (*) Obviously if you go too far you become offensive, but the balance needs
> to be redressed a *little* bit, by recognising that we shouldn't put the
> needs of minorities ahead of needs and expectations of majorities.
>
>

The whole thing needs adult and rational argument. There are reasoned
arguments to be had on both the status-quo and progressive sides. Both woke
and non-woke sides (to use crude stereotypes, against which I think I’m
objecting) need to learn to listen to each other and enter into rational
debate, rather than stick fingers in ears and refuse to engage. The Times,
both in print and radio formats does this much better by allowing a range
of views to be expressed.

There was an interesting item on Times Radio this morning about whether or
not virtue signalling was invariably a bad thing. The commentator started
off by stating that he came with the initial view that it was a bad thing,
but decided to examine it more closely. He looked at it historically. In
the late 18th century the upper middle classes started to raise petitions
against slave trading. The bulk of them were virtue signalling, as all they
did was to sign their name and didn’t really expect much to come of it. But
over time momentum built until we got to the point where slave trading was
considered to be a genuinely bad thing and it got stopped. Those initial
petition signers would have been considered to be the woke generation of
their day.

The same thing has happened with gay rights. Not too long ago being gay was
considered to be awful and criminalised. Then it became just about
acceptable as long as you kept quiet about it and now it is considered
perfectly acceptable to be gay by most people.

To have a news channel that has sections of its programming deliberately
defined as being against things as a matter of policy, rather than
exploring the issues in an adult fashion, seems bizarre to me.

On 17/06/2021 10:58, Pamela wrote:
> Such poor picture resolution makes GB News look as if they're not serious
> about sticking around.
>
> How on earth is it possible to flunk a long-planned and well-resourced
> launch with such technical shortcomings? Cheeky chappie Alex Belfield on
> YouTube blows GB News away by using a handheld iPhone in his living room.

Was it "Well resourcesd"?

A post here yesterday suggested not, perhaps most of the planning for
the launch was ordering the booze!

There is a bit Twitter Bitch Fight with someone who failed to get a job
with them, sounds as if he might be glad he did not get a job.

Matthew Stadlen
When I sent you my CV in January, John, I had no idea that GB News would
become a national joke within its first week on air.

On 17/06/2021 11:15, BrightsideS9 wrote:
>
> It seems the antiwoke viewpoint is costing them revene, see
> https://pressgazette.co.uk/gb-news-advertising-boycott/
>
> Search Google with <gb news woke advert> for much more.

The Left were criticising them for their content before they had put out
a single programme.

They then got worked up because Nigel Farage had been interviewed.

On 17/06/2021 12:49, NY wrote:
> The anti-woke stance is a point of view and makes a refreshing change from
> having "wokeness" rammed down your throat. (*) But GB News's anti-vaccine
> stance is bizarre. Are they also anti-lockdown and anti-mask? Do they want a
> Sweden-like free-for-all lack of restrictions? Did the Swedish stance
> actually help or hinder them? It GB News' anti-vaccine stance that turns me
> off them.

It sounds rather if they want something to be controversial about and
miscalculated.

On 17/06/2021 13:49, Tweed wrote:
> The same thing has happened with gay rights. Not too long ago being gay was
> considered to be awful and criminalised. Then it became just about
> acceptable as long as you kept quiet about it and now it is considered
> perfectly acceptable to be gay by most people.

With much of radio and TV now, it seems to be essential to be camp even
if not actually homosexual.

On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 14:30:34 +0100
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>On 17/06/2021 12:49, NY wrote:
>> The anti-woke stance is a point of view and makes a refreshing change from
>> having "wokeness" rammed down your throat. (*) But GB News's anti-vaccine
>> stance is bizarre. Are they also anti-lockdown and anti-mask? Do they want a

Anyone with any sense is anti lockdown and anti mask now. Its not 2020 anymore.

>> Sweden-like free-for-all lack of restrictions? Did the Swedish stance

Despite all the dire warnings swedens approach hasn't resulted in bodies in
the streets and overloaded hospitals. Yet the BBC never talk about it these
days. Isn't that odd?

> Despite all the dire warnings swedens approach hasn't resulted in bodies in
> the streets and overloaded hospitals. Yet the BBC never talk about it these
> days. Isn't that odd?

They are so kind. Khuenssberg asked Boris on his non unlocking evening whether he regretted allowing people to go to India. Isn't the real question actually about allowing people to come from India?

Never any reference as to how many millions of GDP being thrown away by excessive lock down - that, if earned could pay for enough nurses to flood out the NHS.

That is what will drive people to GB News - glitches or not.

On 14:41 17 Jun 2021, said:

> On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 14:30:34 +0100
> MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>>On 17/06/2021 12:49, NY wrote:
>>> The anti-woke stance is a point of view and makes a refreshing
>>> change from having "wokeness" rammed down your throat. (*) But GB
>>> News's anti-vaccine stance is bizarre. Are they also anti-lockdown
>>> and anti-mask? Do they want a
>
> Anyone with any sense is anti lockdown and anti mask now. Its not
> 2020 anymore.
>
>>> Sweden-like free-for-all lack of restrictions? Did the Swedish
>>> stance
>
> Despite all the dire warnings swedens approach hasn't resulted in
> bodies in the streets and overloaded hospitals. Yet the BBC never
> talk about it these days. Isn't that odd?

We can't all be like uncrowded Sweden where ha;f the population lives on
their own.

The main thing to say about Sweden's approach to Covid is that it
resulted in many more deaths than it's comparable immediate neighbours.

Also Sweden mimicked the UK in having an undue number of deaths in
nursing homes.

What is there to report?

On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 14:33:20 +0100
MB <MB@nospam.net> wrote:
>On 17/06/2021 13:49, Tweed wrote:
>> The same thing has happened with gay rights. Not too long ago being gay was
>> considered to be awful and criminalised. Then it became just about
>> acceptable as long as you kept quiet about it and now it is considered
>> perfectly acceptable to be gay by most people.
>
>With much of radio and TV now, it seems to be essential to be camp even
>if not actually homosexual.

It seems to be TV rules now that any couples reality show must have a gay
couple, preferably every episode. Location LL on C4 seems to be particularly
prone to this. I suspect because a lot of people in TV are gay they think its
much more prevelant in mainstream society than is actually the case.

On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 06:58:24 -0700 (PDT)
TonyGamble <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote:
>> Despite all the dire warnings swedens approach hasn't resulted in bodies in
>> the streets and overloaded hospitals. Yet the BBC never talk about it these
>> days. Isn't that odd?
>
>They are so kind. Khuenssberg asked Boris on his non unlocking evening whether
>he regretted allowing people to go to India. Isn't the real question actually
>about allowing people to come from India?

Curiously last year people ended up stuck in india because Boris brought the
shutters down virtually immediately so its not lack of ability or willpower
when needed.