Am I the only person who thinks that threads like this will be the death
of News.net?

I joined to swop ideas and questions about uk digital tv.

You guys kill this with your constant attempt to score points off each
other.

Tony

On 31 Oct 2021 at 22:51:07 GMT, Tony Gamble <tonygamble@compuserve.com> wrote:

> Am I the only person who thinks that threads like this will be the death
> of News.net?
>
> I joined to swop ideas and questions about uk digital tv.
>
> You guys kill this with your constant attempt to score points off each
> other.

You may care to remove uk.d-i-y from posts.

--
"The EU Customs Union is a racket that defends producers in rich countries against producers in poor countries."

Jacob Rees-Mogg MP

On 31/10/2021 22:51, Tony Gamble wrote:
> Am I the only person who thinks that threads like this will be the death
> of News.net?
>
> I joined to swop ideas and questions about uk digital tv.
>
> You guys kill this with your constant attempt to score points off each
> other.

Learn to kill subthreads started by "Java Jive". Java Jive never adds
any useful information.

The other alternative is to kill crossposted topics.

On 31/10/2021 09:41 pm, Java Jive wrote:

> On 31/10/2021 21:07, JNugent wrote:
>> On 31/10/2021 08:31 pm, Java Jive wrote:
>>> On 31/10/2021 20:02, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 31/10/2021 04:11 pm, Java Jive wrote:
>
>>>>> If you can't accept that contradicting one's self is a failure of
>>>>> logical argument, then really there's not much point in arguing
>>>>> with you, as indeed there usually isn't, because logical argument
>>>>> is not one of your noted abilities.
>
>>>> That's your *OPINION*, for which you provide no *EVIDENCE* at all.
>
>>> FFS, didn't you learn *ANYTHING* at school?  It's one of the founding
>>> precepts of logical reasoning that any pair of contradicting
>>> statements cannot both be true at the same time.
>
>> That's *EXACTLY* why I *NEVER* give any *CREDENCE* to *YOUR* statements.
>
> Except that I haven't contradicted myself in this thread, and rarely do
> so in others, so your reasons for not giving me credence must lie
> elsewhere.

*WHOOOSH!*

On 31/10/2021 22:06, Fredxx wrote:
>
> On 31/10/2021 21:47, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> On 31/10/2021 20:47, Fredxx wrote:
>>>
>>> On 31/10/2021 20:37, Java Jive wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 31/10/2021 20:22, Fredxx wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Centrists believe only they can tell bigoted lies, and Righties
>>>>> shouldn't be allowed an opinion?
>>>>
>>>> Your question doesn't seem to follow logically from what I said
>>>> above, I suggest you reread it.
>>>
>>> I have, I take it you disapprove "righties consider they have a
>>> right" to give their opinion.
>>
>> On the contrary, we *all* have a right to give our opinions, so long
>> as they are true, legal, fair, etc, as stated before.  The problem
>> seems to be that some right-wing people particularly, others do do it
>> as well but most often it's right-wingers, seem to regard the
>> oft-touted 'freedom of speech' so-called-right as a carte-blanche to
>> say whatever they like about anybody or anything without regard to its
>> truth, legality, fairness, etc.
>>
>>> And since you tell bigoted lies, my post is quite logical.
>>
>> Give an example of my telling a bigoted lie.
>
> This one for a start, " it's funny how righties consider they have a
> right to tell abusive and bigoted lies".
>
> They simply give opinions, unless it's something a 'centrist' wouldn't
> like to hear.

No, amongst people who routinely debunk fake news, it's an accepted fact
that the vast majority of it comes from three main sources:

- Foreign governments trying to sow dissent in other nations;
- Foreign citizens trying to boost their advertising revenue;
- The right-wing.

See/hear/read for example ...

The Misinformation Virus
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000c9sm

Click: Begins 5:13 in:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000hzd6

https://www.desmog.com/2020/08/10/how-uk-climate-science-deniers-turned-their-attention-coronavirus-covid-19/

More Or Less - US election: facts or fiction
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/w3ct0py0

And you can see the last of the above three groups being mirrored in the
sort of things right-wingers post in these ngs. For example, Bob Latham
trolled uk.tech.digital-tv for at least 18 months solid with right-wing
originating paranoid fake news about climate science and covid-19. Many
others routinely claim the BBC is left-wing biased without ever being
able to give any convincing evidence to support their claims. And as
for Bill Wright himself, who started this thread, you may care to remove
the spaces I've munged the following with (to prevent boosting the
search engine rankings of crap) and read his grossly offensive attempt
at a joke, but once you have done so hopefully you will have the decency
to wish that you hadn't:

https://uk.tech.digital-tv.narkive.com/ 5 V n 1 Z N u S / c a n - y o u
- h a v e - i m p r o p e r g a t i o n # p o s t 6

Etc, etc.

So when does such 'opinion' become 'bigotry' or 'misinformation'? When
said opinions can't be substantiated by fact. I have no trouble with
opinions that can be substantiated by fact, the trouble is that the vast
majority of such opinions posted here by such people never are
substantiated by fact even after repeated requests for provenance,
making it very obvious that they can't be substantiated, and that
they're just knee-jerk bigotry repeated parrot-like ad nauseam.

--

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk

On 31/10/2021 23:46, JNugent wrote:
>
> On 31/10/2021 09:41 pm, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> On 31/10/2021 21:07, JNugent wrote:
>>>
>>> On 31/10/2021 08:31 pm, Java Jive wrote:
>>>>
>>>> FFS, didn't you learn *ANYTHING* at school?  It's one of the
>>>> founding precepts of logical reasoning that any pair of
>>>> contradicting statements cannot both be true at the same time.
>>
>>> That's *EXACTLY* why I *NEVER* give any *CREDENCE* to *YOUR* statements.
>>
>> Except that I haven't contradicted myself in this thread, and rarely
>> do so in others, so your reasons for not giving me credence must lie
>> elsewhere.
>
> *WHOOOSH!*

So, just as I expected, no rational response then.

--

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk

On 31/10/2021 23:17, Fredxx wrote:
>
> On 31/10/2021 22:51, Tony Gamble wrote:
>>
>> Am I the only person who thinks that threads like this will be the
>> death of News.net?
>>
>> I joined to swop ideas and questions about uk digital tv.
>>
>> You guys kill this with your constant attempt to score points off each
>> other.

In general, I agree, but you only have to look at the sort of people who
start these threads and subthreads to know that they're always begun by
one of the same comparatively small group of people, you can count them
on the fingers of one hand almost - Bob Latham, Bill Wright, JNugent,
the nymshifting idiot who's just been TOSed, maybe a couple of others,
etc. They do it so often that it has to be a deliberate ploy of if you
sling enough mud, hopefully some of it will stick.

> Learn to kill subthreads started by "Java Jive". Java Jive never adds
> any useful information.

Others besides you and I may dispute that, but more to the point, when
was a useful thread or subthread ever begun by Fredxx? I can not recall
a single one!

> The other alternative is to kill crossposted topics.

That only deals with a comparatively small subset of the problem
threads. What's really needed is for the above group of people to
realise that the wider ngs uk.tech.digital-tv and uk.d-i-y are not their
personal megaphones, and that as long they persist in telling lies here,
they will be persistently debunked by others such as myself.

--

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk

On 01/11/2021 12:21 am, Java Jive wrote:

> On 31/10/2021 23:46, JNugent wrote:
>> On 31/10/2021 09:41 pm, Java Jive wrote:
>>> On 31/10/2021 21:07, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 31/10/2021 08:31 pm, Java Jive wrote:
>
>>>>> FFS, didn't you learn *ANYTHING* at school?  It's one of the
>>>>> founding precepts of logical reasoning that any pair of
>>>>> contradicting statements cannot both be true at the same time.
>
>>>> That's *EXACTLY* why I *NEVER* give any *CREDENCE* to *YOUR*
>>>> statements.
>
>>> Except that I haven't contradicted myself in this thread, and rarely
>>> do so in others, so your reasons for not giving me credence must lie
>>> elsewhere.
>
>> *WHOOOSH!*
>
> So, just as I expected, no rational response then.

Just as *I* expected, you missed the point.

On 01/11/2021 00:20, Java Jive wrote:
> On 31/10/2021 22:06, Fredxx wrote:
>>
>> On 31/10/2021 21:47, Java Jive wrote:
>>>
>>> On 31/10/2021 20:47, Fredxx wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 31/10/2021 20:37, Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 31/10/2021 20:22, Fredxx wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Centrists believe only they can tell bigoted lies, and Righties
>>>>>> shouldn't be allowed an opinion?
>>>>>
>>>>> Your question doesn't seem to follow logically from what I said
>>>>> above, I suggest you reread it.
>>>>
>>>> I have, I take it you disapprove "righties consider they have a
>>>> right" to give their opinion.
>>>
>>> On the contrary, we *all* have a right to give our opinions, so long
>>> as they are true, legal, fair, etc, as stated before.  The problem
>>> seems to be that some right-wing people particularly, others do do it
>>> as well but most often it's right-wingers, seem to regard the
>>> oft-touted 'freedom of speech' so-called-right as a carte-blanche to
>>> say whatever they like about anybody or anything without regard to
>>> its truth, legality, fairness, etc.
>>>
>>>> And since you tell bigoted lies, my post is quite logical.
>>>
>>> Give an example of my telling a bigoted lie.
>>
>> This one for a start, " it's funny how righties consider they have a
>> right to tell abusive and bigoted lies".
>>
>> They simply give opinions, unless it's something a 'centrist' wouldn't
>> like to hear.
>
> No, amongst people who routinely debunk fake news, it's an accepted fact
> that the vast majority of it comes from three main sources:
>
>  -  Foreign governments trying to sow dissent in other nations;
>  -  Foreign citizens trying to boost their advertising revenue;
>  -  The right-wing.
>
> See/hear/read for example ...

Yep, all I see are bigoted lies from a leftist masquerading as a
centrist, claiming anything they don't like to hear is bigoted.

On 01/11/2021 00:34, Java Jive wrote:
> On 31/10/2021 23:17, Fredxx wrote:
>>
>> On 31/10/2021 22:51, Tony Gamble wrote:
>>>
>>> Am I the only person who thinks that threads like this will be the
>>> death of News.net?
>>>
>>> I joined to swop ideas and questions about uk digital tv.
>>>
>>> You guys kill this with your constant attempt to score points off
>>> each other.
>
> In general, I agree, but you only have to look at the sort of people who
> start these threads and subthreads to know that they're always begun by
> one of the same comparatively small group of people, you can count them
> on the fingers of one hand almost  -  Bob Latham, Bill Wright, JNugent,
> the nymshifting idiot who's just been TOSed, maybe a couple of others,
> etc.  They do it so often that it has to be a deliberate ploy of if you
> sling enough mud, hopefully some of it will stick.
>
>> Learn to kill subthreads started by "Java Jive". Java Jive never adds
>> any useful information.
>
> Others besides you and I may dispute that, but more to the point, when
> was a useful thread or subthread ever begun by Fredxx?  I can not recall
> a single one!

That's because you don't read posts in uk.d-i-y

>> The other alternative is to kill crossposted topics.
>
> That only deals with a comparatively small subset of the problem
> threads.  What's really needed is for the above group of people to
> realise that the wider ngs uk.tech.digital-tv and uk.d-i-y are not their
> personal megaphones, and that as long they persist in telling lies here,
> they will be persistently debunked by others such as myself.

Pot, kettle, black comes to mind.

On 31/10/2021 22:51, Tony Gamble wrote:
> Am I the only person who thinks that threads like this will be the death
> of News.net?
>
> I joined to swop ideas and questions about uk digital tv.
>
> You guys kill this with your constant attempt to score points off each
> other.
>
Not unless YOU dont kill file the offenders.

> Tony
>
>

--
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(or environmental activism) is becoming a general ideology about humans,
about their freedom, about the relationship between the individual and
the state, and about the manipulation of people under the guise of a
'noble' idea. It is not an honest pursuit of 'sustainable development,'
a matter of elementary environmental protection, or a search for
rational mechanisms designed to achieve a healthy environment. Yet
things do occur that make you shake your head and remind yourself that
you live neither in Joseph Stalin’s Communist era, nor in the Orwellian
utopia of 1984.”

Vaclav Klaus

In article <sln865$la7$1@dont-email.me>,
Fredxx <fredxx@nospam.co.uk> wrote:

> Learn to kill subthreads started by "Java Jive". Java Jive never
> adds any useful information.

I learnt the hard way some time ago that arguing with Java Jive is a
pointless exercise. He is happy to argue up is down and black is
white to continue an argument he lost miles back.

He loves to call people names like at school. If you disagree with JJ
you are a bigot, that's if even he can't quite manage to call you a
racist.

Do you need that in your life? Killfile him as I did some time back,
you'll lose nothing.

Hope that helps.

Bob.

On 31/10/2021 22:51, Tony Gamble wrote:
> Am I the only person who thinks that threads like this will be the death
> of News.net?
>
> I joined to swop ideas and questions about uk digital tv.
>
> You guys kill this with your constant attempt to score points off each
> other.

+1

It's two children, or two adults in their second childhood,
fighting in the kindergarten playground.

On 01/11/2021 01:15 am, Fredxx wrote:
> On 01/11/2021 00:20, Java Jive wrote:
>> On 31/10/2021 22:06, Fredxx wrote:
>>>
>>> On 31/10/2021 21:47, Java Jive wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 31/10/2021 20:47, Fredxx wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 31/10/2021 20:37, Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31/10/2021 20:22, Fredxx wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Centrists believe only they can tell bigoted lies, and Righties
>>>>>>> shouldn't be allowed an opinion?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your question doesn't seem to follow logically from what I said
>>>>>> above, I suggest you reread it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have, I take it you disapprove "righties consider they have a
>>>>> right" to give their opinion.
>>>>
>>>> On the contrary, we *all* have a right to give our opinions, so long
>>>> as they are true, legal, fair, etc, as stated before.  The problem
>>>> seems to be that some right-wing people particularly, others do do
>>>> it as well but most often it's right-wingers, seem to regard the
>>>> oft-touted 'freedom of speech' so-called-right as a carte-blanche to
>>>> say whatever they like about anybody or anything without regard to
>>>> its truth, legality, fairness, etc.
>>>>
>>>>> And since you tell bigoted lies, my post is quite logical.
>>>>
>>>> Give an example of my telling a bigoted lie.
>>>
>>> This one for a start, " it's funny how righties consider they have a
>>> right to tell abusive and bigoted lies".
>>>
>>> They simply give opinions, unless it's something a 'centrist'
>>> wouldn't like to hear.
>>
>> No, amongst people who routinely debunk fake news, it's an accepted
>> fact that the vast majority of it comes from three main sources:
>>
>>   -  Foreign governments trying to sow dissent in other nations;
>>   -  Foreign citizens trying to boost their advertising revenue;
>>   -  The right-wing.
>>
>> See/hear/read for example ...
>
> Yep, all I see are bigoted lies from a leftist masquerading as a
> centrist, claiming anything they don't like to hear is bigoted.

That *SOUNDS* about *RIGHT*!

On 01/11/2021 01:06, JNugent wrote:
> On 01/11/2021 12:21 am, Java Jive wrote:
>
>> On 31/10/2021 23:46, JNugent wrote:
>>> On 31/10/2021 09:41 pm, Java Jive wrote:
>>>> On 31/10/2021 21:07, JNugent wrote:
>>>>> On 31/10/2021 08:31 pm, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>>>>>> FFS, didn't you learn *ANYTHING* at school?  It's one of the
>>>>>> founding precepts of logical reasoning that any pair of
>>>>>> contradicting statements cannot both be true at the same time.
>>
>>>>> That's *EXACTLY* why I *NEVER* give any *CREDENCE* to *YOUR*
>>>>> statements.
>>
>>>> Except that I haven't contradicted myself in this thread, and rarely
>>>> do so in others, so your reasons for not giving me credence must lie
>>>> elsewhere.
>>
>>> *WHOOOSH!*
>>
>> So, just as I expected, no rational response then.
>
> Just as *I* expected, you missed the point.

If indeed there was one at all - I note that you made no attempt at an
explanation, which strongly suggests to me that there wasn't one, or at
least wasn't one that would withstand any attempt at provenance, but
you're welcome to try and prove me wrong. After all, there has to be a
first time sometime.

--

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk

On 01/11/2021 01:15, Fredxx wrote:
> On 01/11/2021 00:20, Java Jive wrote:
>> On 31/10/2021 22:06, Fredxx wrote:
>>>
>>> On 31/10/2021 21:47, Java Jive wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 31/10/2021 20:47, Fredxx wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 31/10/2021 20:37, Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 31/10/2021 20:22, Fredxx wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Centrists believe only they can tell bigoted lies, and Righties
>>>>>>> shouldn't be allowed an opinion?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your question doesn't seem to follow logically from what I said
>>>>>> above, I suggest you reread it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have, I take it you disapprove "righties consider they have a
>>>>> right" to give their opinion.
>>>>
>>>> On the contrary, we *all* have a right to give our opinions, so long
>>>> as they are true, legal, fair, etc, as stated before.  The problem
>>>> seems to be that some right-wing people particularly, others do do
>>>> it as well but most often it's right-wingers, seem to regard the
>>>> oft-touted 'freedom of speech' so-called-right as a carte-blanche to
>>>> say whatever they like about anybody or anything without regard to
>>>> its truth, legality, fairness, etc.
>>>>
>>>>> And since you tell bigoted lies, my post is quite logical.
>>>>
>>>> Give an example of my telling a bigoted lie.
>>>
>>> This one for a start, " it's funny how righties consider they have a
>>> right to tell abusive and bigoted lies".
>>>
>>> They simply give opinions, unless it's something a 'centrist'
>>> wouldn't like to hear.
>>
>> No, amongst people who routinely debunk fake news, it's an accepted
>> fact that the vast majority of it comes from three main sources:
>>
>>   -  Foreign governments trying to sow dissent in other nations;
>>   -  Foreign citizens trying to boost their advertising revenue;
>>   -  The right-wing.
>>
>> See/hear/read for example ...
>
> Yep, all I see are bigoted lies from a leftist masquerading as a
> centrist, claiming anything they don't like to hear is bigoted.

They were links to independent investigations by independent people all
saying much the same thing, but if they are indeed bigoted as you claim,
where are your links for provenance? I note that conveniently you don't
supply any, and thus are doing *EXACTLY* what I described still quoted
above: "say[ing] whatever they like about anybody or anything without
regard to its truth"

Thank you for proving my point.

--

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk

On 01/11/2021 05:02 pm, Java Jive wrote:

> On 01/11/2021 01:06, JNugent wrote:
>> On 01/11/2021 12:21 am, Java Jive wrote:
>>> On 31/10/2021 23:46, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 31/10/2021 09:41 pm, Java Jive wrote:
>>>>> On 31/10/2021 21:07, JNugent wrote:
>>>>>> On 31/10/2021 08:31 pm, Java Jive wrote:
>
>>>>>>> FFS, didn't you learn *ANYTHING* at school?  It's one of the
>>>>>>> founding precepts of logical reasoning that any pair of
>>>>>>> contradicting statements cannot both be true at the same time.
>
>>>>>> That's *EXACTLY* why I *NEVER* give any *CREDENCE* to *YOUR*
>>>>>> statements.
>
>>>>> Except that I haven't contradicted myself in this thread, and
>>>>> rarely do so in others, so your reasons for not giving me credence
>>>>> must lie elsewhere.
>
>>>> *WHOOOSH!*
>
>>> So, just as I expected, no rational response then.
>
>> Just as *I* expected, you missed the point.
>
> If indeed there was one at all  -  I note that you made no attempt at an
> explanation, which strongly suggests to me that there wasn't one, or at
> least wasn't one that would withstand any attempt at provenance, but
> you're welcome to try and prove me wrong.  After all, there has to be a
> first time sometime.

Don't worry yourself about it.

Others haven't missed the point.

On 01/11/2021 13:15, JNugent wrote:
>
> On 01/11/2021 01:15 am, Fredxx wrote:
>>
>> On 01/11/2021 00:20, Java Jive wrote:
>>>
>>> No, amongst people who routinely debunk fake news, it's an accepted
>>> fact that the vast majority of it comes from three main sources:
>>>
>>>   -  Foreign governments trying to sow dissent in other nations;
>>>   -  Foreign citizens trying to boost their advertising revenue;
>>>   -  The right-wing.
>>>
>>> See/hear/read for example ...
>> [provenance snipped]
>> Yep, all I see are bigoted lies from a leftist masquerading as a
>> centrist, claiming anything they don't like to hear is bigoted.
>
> That *SOUNDS* about *RIGHT*!

Except that neither he nor you can prove a word of it, whereas I
provided provenance.

--

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk

On 01/11/2021 01:18, Fredxx wrote:
> On 01/11/2021 00:34, Java Jive wrote:
>> On 31/10/2021 23:17, Fredxx wrote:
>>>
>>> On 31/10/2021 22:51, Tony Gamble wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Am I the only person who thinks that threads like this will be the
>>>> death of News.net?
>>>>
>>>> I joined to swop ideas and questions about uk digital tv.
>>>>
>>>> You guys kill this with your constant attempt to score points off
>>>> each other.
>>
>> In general, I agree, but you only have to look at the sort of people
>> who start these threads and subthreads to know that they're always
>> begun by one of the same comparatively small group of people, you can
>> count them on the fingers of one hand almost  -  Bob Latham, Bill
>> Wright, JNugent, the nymshifting idiot who's just been TOSed, maybe a
>> couple of others, etc.  They do it so often that it has to be a
>> deliberate ploy of if you sling enough mud, hopefully some of it will
>> stick.
>>
>>> Learn to kill subthreads started by "Java Jive". Java Jive never adds
>>> any useful information.

I failed to point out before that I don't *BEGIN* these subthreads, I
merely reply when someone else does, usually to debunk a lie.

>> Others besides you and I may dispute that, but more to the point, when
>> was a useful thread or subthread ever begun by Fredxx?  I can not
>> recall a single one!
>
> That's because you don't read posts in uk.d-i-y
>
>>> The other alternative is to kill crossposted topics.
>>
>> That only deals with a comparatively small subset of the problem
>> threads.  What's really needed is for the above group of people to
>> realise that the wider ngs uk.tech.digital-tv and uk.d-i-y are not
>> their personal megaphones, and that as long they persist in telling
>> lies here, they will be persistently debunked by others such as myself.
>
> Pot, kettle, black comes to mind.

That's because you don't read posts in uk.tech.digital-tv

--

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www.macfh.co.uk

On 01/11/2021 09:44, Bob Latham wrote:
>
> Killfile him as I did some time back,
> you'll lose nothing.

Yet it's very odd that however often you claim to have killfiled me
because of my 'robust' debunking of your endless lies, sooner or later
you always reply directly to me again, thus proving that your claims to
have killfiled me were just another lie.

--

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk

On 01/11/2021 05:11 pm, Java Jive wrote:
> On 01/11/2021 13:15, JNugent wrote:
>>
>> On 01/11/2021 01:15 am, Fredxx wrote:
>>>
>>> On 01/11/2021 00:20, Java Jive wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, amongst people who routinely debunk fake news, it's an accepted
>>>> fact that the vast majority of it comes from three main sources:
>>>>
>>>>   -  Foreign governments trying to sow dissent in other nations;
>>>>   -  Foreign citizens trying to boost their advertising revenue;
>>>>   -  The right-wing.
>>>>
>>>> See/hear/read for example ...
>>> [provenance snipped]
>>> Yep, all I see are bigoted lies from a leftist masquerading as a
>>> centrist, claiming anything they don't like to hear is bigoted.
>>
>> That *SOUNDS* about *RIGHT*!
>
> Except that neither he nor you can prove a word of it, whereas I
> provided provenance.

*WHY* have you *TURNED* the *VOLUME* down?

On Mon, 1 Nov 2021 12:34:52 +0000, gareth evans
<headstone255@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On 31/10/2021 22:51, Tony Gamble wrote:
>> Am I the only person who thinks that threads like this will be the death
>> of News.net?
>>
>> I joined to swop ideas and questions about uk digital tv.
>>
>> You guys kill this with your constant attempt to score points off each
>> other.
>
>+1
>
>It's two children, or two adults in their second childhood,
>fighting in the kindergarten playground.

They still seem to think that regardless of the validity of what is
said, the winner of an argument is the one who gets the last word.

Rod.

On 01/11/2021 17:09, JNugent wrote:
>
> On 01/11/2021 05:02 pm, Java Jive wrote:
>
> Others haven't missed the point.

So, just as I thought, there wasn't one.

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On 01/11/2021 17:18, JNugent wrote:
>
> On 01/11/2021 05:11 pm, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> On 01/11/2021 13:15, JNugent wrote:
>>>
>>> On 01/11/2021 01:15 am, Fredxx wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 01/11/2021 00:20, Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No, amongst people who routinely debunk fake news, it's an accepted
>>>>> fact that the vast majority of it comes from three main sources:
>>>>>
>>>>>   -  Foreign governments trying to sow dissent in other nations;
>>>>>   -  Foreign citizens trying to boost their advertising revenue;
>>>>>   -  The right-wing.
>>>>>
>>>>> See/hear/read for example ...
>>>> [provenance snipped]
>>>> Yep, all I see are bigoted lies from a leftist masquerading as a
>>>> centrist, claiming anything they don't like to hear is bigoted.
>>>
>>> That *SOUNDS* about *RIGHT*!
>>
>> Except that neither he nor you can prove a word of it, whereas I
>> provided provenance.
>
> *WHY* have you *TURNED* the *VOLUME* down?

*WHY* can't you speak in plain English? If genuinely you have a point
to make, make it, but don't try to insinuate that you might have a point
to make but you're not going to let on what it is, because simply no-one
believes you.

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On 01/11/2021 05:41 pm, Java Jive wrote:

> On 01/11/2021 17:18, JNugent wrote:
>> On 01/11/2021 05:11 pm, Java Jive wrote:
>>> On 01/11/2021 13:15, JNugent wrote:
>>>> On 01/11/2021 01:15 am, Fredxx wrote:
>>>>> On 01/11/2021 00:20, Java Jive wrote:
>
>>>>>> No, amongst people who routinely debunk fake news, it's an
>>>>>> accepted fact that the vast majority of it comes from three main
>>>>>> sources:
>
>>>>>>   -  Foreign governments trying to sow dissent in other nations;
>>>>>>   -  Foreign citizens trying to boost their advertising revenue;
>>>>>>   -  The right-wing.
>
>>>>>> See/hear/read for example ...

>>>>> [provenance snipped]
>>>>> Yep, all I see are bigoted lies from a leftist masquerading as a
>>>>> centrist, claiming anything they don't like to hear is bigoted.
>
>>>> That *SOUNDS* about *RIGHT*!
>
>>> Except that neither he nor you can prove a word of it, whereas I
>>> provided provenance.
>
>> *WHY* have you *TURNED* the *VOLUME* down?
>
> *WHY* can't you speak in plain English?

Oh my God...

Irony just *WHIZZES* past you, doesn't it? :-)