On 29/08/2021 01:11 Cab penned these words:
> Colin Irvine wibbled:
>
>>> It's stop start traffic on motorways that I wonder about as, though
>>> I generally avoid motorways and am seldom in a hurry, I cannot
>>> bring myself to wait with the cars so I tend to filter between the
>>> two outer lanes in 3rd gear at around 20-30mph. Once the lanes are
>>> all moving at around 40mph I stick in lane.
>>
>> Fine. Personally I do it at lower speeds and in a lower gear, but then
>> I usually have a pillion.
>
> Are cage drivers still shits when they see bikes filtering in the UK? I
> still remember them actively trying to block bikes from getting past.
>
>
I think it is possibly over stated. I commuted regularly for a long while before
I left the UK and I could count on my fingers the number of deliberate blocks.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 07:39:00 +0800, Boots
<news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote:

>On 29/08/2021 01:11 Cab penned these words:

>> Are cage drivers still shits when they see bikes filtering in the UK? I
>> still remember them actively trying to block bikes from getting past.
>>
>>
>I think it is possibly over stated. I commuted regularly for a long while before
>I left the UK and I could count on my fingers the number of deliberate blocks.

Deliberate blocks that could have caused an accident - yeah, fingers
of two hands, plus a few toes perhaps. Only once was it so blatant
that I felt obliged to remove a wing mirror before pissing off into
the distance, but he clearly needed to learn that trying to kill
someone was not acceptable.

Deliberately choosing to drive in a position that stops anyone
filtering past? Hunreds, an almost every day experience.
--
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On 28/08/2021 18:11, Cab wrote:
> Colin Irvine wibbled:
>
>>> It's stop start traffic on motorways that I wonder about as, though
>>> I generally avoid motorways and am seldom in a hurry, I cannot
>>> bring myself to wait with the cars so I tend to filter between the
>>> two outer lanes in 3rd gear at around 20-30mph. Once the lanes are
>>> all moving at around 40mph I stick in lane.
>>
>> Fine. Personally I do it at lower speeds and in a lower gear, but then
>> I usually have a pillion.
>
> Are cage drivers still shits when they see bikes filtering in the UK? I
> still remember them actively trying to block bikes from getting past.
>
>
Occasionally if I am on the GS - but if I am on the XV they tend to shy
away due to a possible mixture of fear crossed with wanting to protect
their ears :-)

--
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Yamaha XV750SE & Suzuki GS550t
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On 29/08/2021 10:52, Ace wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 07:39:00 +0800, Boots
> <news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 29/08/2021 01:11 Cab penned these words:
>
>>> Are cage drivers still shits when they see bikes filtering in the UK? I
>>> still remember them actively trying to block bikes from getting past.
>>>
>>>
>> I think it is possibly over stated. I commuted regularly for a long while before
>> I left the UK and I could count on my fingers the number of deliberate blocks.
>
> Deliberate blocks that could have caused an accident - yeah, fingers
> of two hands, plus a few toes perhaps. Only once was it so blatant
> that I felt obliged to remove a wing mirror before pissing off into
> the distance, but he clearly needed to learn that trying to kill
> someone was not acceptable.
>
> Deliberately choosing to drive in a position that stops anyone
> filtering past? Hunreds, an almost every day experience.
>
Its almost as if they think that being a little bit further to right in
their lane enables them to go faster :-)
Or even see more?

--
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On 28/08/2021 15:29, wessie wrote:
> AJH <news@loampitsfarm.co.uk> wrote in
> news:iour0dFgcljU1@mid.individual.net:
>
>> What is currently taught for the theory test? Having passed my bike
>> test 53 years ago I've missed out what's considered good, or
>> acceptable, practice now.
>
> I don't think filtering is part of the theory or on road test

It's in the Highway Code. And yes, I have read it since passing my bike
and car tests. Rules 88 and 160. That's not to say it will necessarily
appear in the theory test.

On 28/08/2021 18:11, Cab wrote:
> Colin Irvine wibbled:
>
>>> It's stop start traffic on motorways that I wonder about as, though
>>> I generally avoid motorways and am seldom in a hurry, I cannot
>>> bring myself to wait with the cars so I tend to filter between the
>>> two outer lanes in 3rd gear at around 20-30mph. Once the lanes are
>>> all moving at around 40mph I stick in lane.
>>
>> Fine. Personally I do it at lower speeds and in a lower gear, but then
>> I usually have a pillion.
>
> Are cage drivers still shits when they see bikes filtering in the UK? I
> still remember them actively trying to block bikes from getting past.
>
>

Majority are fine. It is Germans I have issues with.

--
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On 28/08/2021 20:00, Cab wrote:
> siwilson wibbled:
>
>>> Are cage drivers still shits when they see bikes filtering in the
>>> UK? I still remember them actively trying to block bikes from
>>> getting past.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Not often on the regular commuter runs IME, but there were definitely
>> a few that would try to block you. The ones that scared me the most
>> were the ones that would swerve to give you more space, without
>> thinking that there might be someone filtering on the other side as
>> well...
>
> TBF, they shouldn't be filtering on the other side.
>

I can never understand why people do that, and I often see it on the UK
Mways.
No one expects a filtering bike there (do they?).

--
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On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 17:11:31 +0000, "Cab" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>Are cage drivers still shits when they see bikes filtering in the UK? I
>still remember them actively trying to block bikes from getting past.

I've heard people say this, but my experience is the exact opposite -
many many car drivers move over to give you more space. I don't
believe I've *ever* had anyone actively block me, in <counts> over 40
years
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 8/28/2021 10:11 AM, Cab wrote:
>
> Are cage drivers still shits when they see bikes filtering in the UK? I
> still remember them actively trying to block bikes from getting past.
>

I have a ~7 mile route I take almost every day. Filtering became legal
in California(1) maybe 20 years ago. When it did, there were a few
people who deliberately blocked me. Now, hardly anyone does, but many
people will make room. I even make room for other bikes that don't have
such wide panniers.

(1) The law here is no more than 15mph faster than surrounding traffic,
and max 25mph.(2)
(2) Many disobey that during rush hour on the motorway.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 29/08/2021 21:25, Turby wrote:
> The law here is no more than 15mph faster than surrounding traffic, and
> max 25mph.

You are also allowed to pass slower traffic in any lane are you not?

On 8/29/2021 1:30 PM, AJH wrote:
> On 29/08/2021 21:25, Turby wrote:
>> The law here is no more than 15mph faster than surrounding traffic,
>> and max 25mph.
>
>
> You are also allowed to pass slower traffic in any lane are you not?

You're "supposed" to pass on the left, but I don't know if anyone has
ever been ticketed for passing on the right.

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 30/08/2021 02:13 YTC#1 penned these words:
> On 28/08/2021 20:00, Cab wrote:
>> siwilson wibbled:
>>
>>>> Are cage drivers still shits when they see bikes filtering in the
>>>> UK? I still remember them actively trying to block bikes from
>>>> getting past.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not often on the regular commuter runs IME, but there were definitely
>>> a few that would try to block you. The ones that scared me the most
>>> were the ones that would swerve to give you more space, without
>>> thinking that there might be someone filtering on the other side as
>>> well...
>>
>> TBF, they shouldn't be filtering on the other side.
>>
>
> I can never understand why people do that, and I often see it on the UK
> Mways.
> No one expects a filtering bike there (do they?).

The little scooters locally have a real habit of passing/filtering on the
inside. Seen a few near misses as the gap is closed, pretty sure inadvertently.
One a corker where #1 decided he couldn't make it so anchored on and the one
behind who was convinced there was room didn't bother to stop.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 19:13:36 +0100, YTC#1
<bdporter@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:

>On 28/08/2021 20:00, Cab wrote:
>> siwilson wibbled:

>>> were the ones that would swerve to give you more space, without
>>> thinking that there might be someone filtering on the other side as
>>> well...
>>
>> TBF, they shouldn't be filtering on the other side.

Why on earth not? Depending on the number of lanes and road width
there's no reason not to filter wherever there's space.

>I can never understand why people do that, and I often see it on the UK
>Mways.
>No one expects a filtering bike there (do they?).

You never driven in Paris then? Or any Italian city, for that matter.
You lern to expect scooters or bikes in any possible space that one
could fit, and some that you'd swear were too small.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

Ace wibbled:

> >>> were the ones that would swerve to give you more space, without
> >>> thinking that there might be someone filtering on the other side
> as >>> well...
> >>
> >> TBF, they shouldn't be filtering on the other side.
>
> Why on earth not? Depending on the number of lanes and road width
> there's no reason not to filter wherever there's space.

Well, quite. But from a French perspective, you're supposed to filter
between the outside lanes, not any others.

But I think that drivers already have a hard enough time seeing bikes
filtering and for them to keep their brain active and watch out for
filtering bikes on both sides, is probably asking too much.

> > I can never understand why people do that, and I often see it on
> > the UK Mways.
> > No one expects a filtering bike there (do they?).
>
> You never driven in Paris then? Or any Italian city, for that matter.
> You lern to expect scooters or bikes in any possible space that one
> could fit, and some that you'd swear were too small.

IME, most bikes do filter between the outside lanes. Those that do
otherwise are probably coming off the motorway or are moving somewhere
else. Filtering in other lanes, for filtering's sake, isn't seen that
much (unless it's to overtake a filterer that's too slow in the outside
lane).

--
Cab
Z1000 and CB1300 and VeloSolex 3800

On 30/08/2021 09:45, Ace wrote:
> On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 19:13:36 +0100, YTC#1
> <bdporter@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 28/08/2021 20:00, Cab wrote:
>>> siwilson wibbled:
>
>>>> were the ones that would swerve to give you more space, without
>>>> thinking that there might be someone filtering on the other side as
>>>> well...
>>>
>>> TBF, they shouldn't be filtering on the other side.
>
> Why on earth not? Depending on the number of lanes and road width
> there's no reason not to filter wherever there's space.
>

Probably depends where you are, over here there is little awareness of
what is on the left, "ohh, look, there's my junction, over I go....<twat>".

I'd say people are more aware of what is happening in the outside lane.
Plus trucks are highly unlikely to take that space (where number of
lanes is greater than 2. YMMV

>> I can never understand why people do that, and I often see it on the UK
>> Mways.
>> No one expects a filtering bike there (do they?).
>
> You never driven in Paris then? Or any Italian city, for that matter.
> You lern to expect scooters or bikes in any possible space that one
> could fit, and some that you'd swear were too small.

As I said above, depends on where you are.
Buenos Aires was fun. And so was El Alto/La Paz. Oh, and Almaty.

>

--
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On 30/08/2021 11:40, Cab wrote:
> Ace wibbled:
>
>>>>> were the ones that would swerve to give you more space, without
>>>>> thinking that there might be someone filtering on the other side
>> as >>> well...
>>>>
>>>> TBF, they shouldn't be filtering on the other side.
>>
>> Why on earth not? Depending on the number of lanes and road width
>> there's no reason not to filter wherever there's space.
>
> Well, quite. But from a French perspective, you're supposed to filter
> between the outside lanes, not any others.
>
> But I think that drivers already have a hard enough time seeing bikes
> filtering and for them to keep their brain active and watch out for
> filtering bikes on both sides, is probably asking too much.
>
>>> I can never understand why people do that, and I often see it on
>>> the UK Mways.
>>> No one expects a filtering bike there (do they?).
>>
>> You never driven in Paris then? Or any Italian city, for that matter.
>> You lern to expect scooters or bikes in any possible space that one
>> could fit, and some that you'd swear were too small.
>
> IME, most bikes do filter between the outside lanes. Those that do
> otherwise are probably coming off the motorway or are moving somewhere
> else. Filtering in other lanes, for filtering's sake, isn't seen that
> much (unless it's to overtake a filterer that's too slow in the outside
> lane).
>

Now that really pisses me of.
I always keep an eye out for someone faster than me, and expect others
to do the same. But usually the slower they are, they less likely they
will notice you.
I've been known to shout, as I feel a horn is the wrong approach at this
point.

--
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On 30/08/2021 11:40, Cab wrote:
>
> IME, most bikes do filter between the outside lanes. Those that do
> otherwise are probably coming off the motorway or are moving somewhere
> else. Filtering in other lanes, for filtering's sake, isn't seen that
> much (unless it's to overtake a filterer that's too slow in the outside
> lane).

That's what I've found too. I think it's because you can finish up going
up a canyon of lorry sides if you filter between lanes 1 & 2. I only use
that if there's stationary traffic and somebody blocking the filtering
between 2 & 3, or overtaking a slower filtererer, or allowing a faster
filtererer through (there are some, not many though).

On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 10:45:18 +0200, Ace <Ace@ch.com> wrote:

>>No one expects a filtering bike there (do they?).

>You never driven in Paris then? Or any Italian city, for that matter.
>You lern to expect scooters or bikes in any possible space that one
>could fit, and some that you'd swear were too small.

heh. And yes, indeed
--
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neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 10:40:09 +0000, "Cab" <me@privacy.net> wrote:

>Ace wibbled:
>
>> >>> were the ones that would swerve to give you more space, without
>> >>> thinking that there might be someone filtering on the other side
>> as >>> well...
>> >>
>> >> TBF, they shouldn't be filtering on the other side.
>>
>> Why on earth not? Depending on the number of lanes and road width
>> there's no reason not to filter wherever there's space.
>
>Well, quite. But from a French perspective, you're supposed to filter
>between the outside lanes, not any others.

From a Swiss perspective you're not _supposed_ to filter at all, but
it never stopped me. More importantly swissplod never stopped me
either.

>IME, most bikes do filter between the outside lanes. Those that do
>otherwise are probably coming off the motorway or are moving somewhere
>else. Filtering in other lanes, for filtering's sake, isn't seen that
>much (unless it's to overtake a filterer that's too slow in the outside
>lane).

Oh, the joys of commuting in a big city. I recall the Peripherique,
with it many junctions from all sides, being a complete free-for-all
on the few occasions I ever got up your way, but TBH it's probably 25
years since I was a regular (ish) bike commuter, back in the UK, and
mostly my 'filtering' was out of town even then, and more often simply
creative overtaking at speeds that you'd rarely ever achieve anywhere
within the Paris area, so a different set of rules applied.
--
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On 8/30/2021 6:21 AM, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 30/08/2021 11:40, Cab wrote:
>>
>> IME, most bikes do filter between the outside lanes. Those that do
>> otherwise are probably coming off the motorway or are moving somewhere
>> else. Filtering in other lanes, for filtering's sake, isn't seen that
>> much (unless it's to overtake a filterer that's too slow in the outside
>> lane).
>
> That's what I've found too. I think it's because you can finish up going
> up a canyon of lorry sides if you filter between lanes 1 & 2. I only use
> that if there's stationary traffic and somebody blocking the filtering
> between 2 & 3, or overtaking a slower filtererer, or allowing a faster
> filtererer through (there are some, not many though).
>
>
This is confusing. Over here, the inside lane is the lane closest to the
centre divider, also called the #1 lane, and the fastest.
It's not the same over there?

--
The erstwhile Thomas
FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 31/08/2021 10:36 Turby penned these words:
> This is confusing. Over here, the inside lane is the lane closest to the
> centre divider, also called the #1 lane, and the fastest.
> It's not the same over there?

Nope inside is the left most, next to the shoulder, the one closet to the
divider is the outside. Cars the offside is the drivers side and the nearside
the passenger.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

Ace wibbled:

> > Well, quite. But from a French perspective, you're supposed to
> > filter between the outside lanes, not any others.
>
> From a Swiss perspective you're not supposed to filter at all, but
> it never stopped me. More importantly swissplod never stopped me
> either.

Funnily enough, when the filtering "experiment" ended a few months ago,
I heard stories of Plod nicking two wheelers that continued to filter.
I was never stopped and didn't see any cases of people being stopped.

> > IME, most bikes do filter between the outside lanes. Those that do
> > otherwise are probably coming off the motorway or are moving
> > somewhere else. Filtering in other lanes, for filtering's sake,
> > isn't seen that much (unless it's to overtake a filterer that's too
> > slow in the outside lane).
>
> Oh, the joys of commuting in a big city. I recall the Peripherique,
> with it many junctions from all sides, being a complete free-for-all
> on the few occasions I ever got up your way, but TBH it's probably 25
> years since I was a regular (ish) bike commuter, back in the UK, and
> mostly my 'filtering' was out of town even then, and more often simply
> creative overtaking at speeds that you'd rarely ever achieve anywhere
> within the Paris area, so a different set of rules applied.

Maybe it's changed, but my experience of the periph is as above. Maybe
bikers are being more sensible. :-)

--
Cab
Z1000 and CB1300 and VeloSolex 3800

On 31/08/2021 04:21, Boots wrote:
> On 31/08/2021 10:36 Turby penned these words:
>> This is confusing. Over here, the inside lane is the lane closest to the
>> centre divider, also called the #1 lane, and the fastest.
>> It's not the same over there?
>
> Nope inside is the left most, next to the shoulder, the one closet to the
> divider is the outside. Cars the offside is the drivers side and the nearside
> the passenger.
>

And we don't have a "fast lane" :-)

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On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 19:36:23 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:

>On 8/30/2021 6:21 AM, Mike Fleming wrote:
>> On 30/08/2021 11:40, Cab wrote:
>>>
>>> IME, most bikes do filter between the outside lanes. Those that do
>>> otherwise are probably coming off the motorway or are moving somewhere
>>> else. Filtering in other lanes, for filtering's sake, isn't seen that
>>> much (unless it's to overtake a filterer that's too slow in the outside
>>> lane).
>>
>> That's what I've found too. I think it's because you can finish up going
>> up a canyon of lorry sides if you filter between lanes 1 & 2. I only use
>> that if there's stationary traffic and somebody blocking the filtering
>> between 2 & 3, or overtaking a slower filtererer, or allowing a faster
>> filtererer through (there are some, not many though).
>>
>>
>This is confusing. Over here, the inside lane is the lane closest to the
>centre divider, also called the #1 lane, and the fastest.
>It's not the same over there?

inside=near side=the UK left side. If you overtake someone on the
inside you're doing it in a 'slower' lane, for example.

Always prone to confusion which is why plod will normally refer to
them by number, with lane 1 being the leftmost.

--
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Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote in news:sgk4j9$5ru$1@dont-email.me:

> On 8/30/2021 6:21 AM, Mike Fleming wrote:
>> On 30/08/2021 11:40, Cab wrote:
>>>
>>> IME, most bikes do filter between the outside lanes. Those that do
>>> otherwise are probably coming off the motorway or are moving
>>> somewhere else. Filtering in other lanes, for filtering's sake,
>>> isn't seen that much (unless it's to overtake a filterer that's too
>>> slow in the outside lane).
>>
>> That's what I've found too. I think it's because you can finish up
>> going up a canyon of lorry sides if you filter between lanes 1 & 2. I
>> only use that if there's stationary traffic and somebody blocking the
>> filtering between 2 & 3, or overtaking a slower filtererer, or
>> allowing a faster filtererer through (there are some, not many
>> though).
>>
>>
> This is confusing. Over here, the inside lane is the lane closest to
> the centre divider, also called the #1 lane, and the fastest.
> It's not the same over there?
>
>

in the UK, lane 1 is the left most line, furthest from the centre
reservation. Some people call it the slow lane but this is becoming less
common after all of the Police, Camera, Action type shows which has given
forum banter a new vocabulary for the armchair experts.