On 31/08/2021 11:02, Ace wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 19:36:23 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 8/30/2021 6:21 AM, Mike Fleming wrote:
>>> On 30/08/2021 11:40, Cab wrote:
>>>>
>>>> IME, most bikes do filter between the outside lanes. Those that do
>>>> otherwise are probably coming off the motorway or are moving somewhere
>>>> else. Filtering in other lanes, for filtering's sake, isn't seen that
>>>> much (unless it's to overtake a filterer that's too slow in the outside
>>>> lane).
>>>
>>> That's what I've found too. I think it's because you can finish up going
>>> up a canyon of lorry sides if you filter between lanes 1 & 2. I only use
>>> that if there's stationary traffic and somebody blocking the filtering
>>> between 2 & 3, or overtaking a slower filtererer, or allowing a faster
>>> filtererer through (there are some, not many though).
>>>
>>>
>> This is confusing. Over here, the inside lane is the lane closest to the
>> centre divider, also called the #1 lane, and the fastest.
>> It's not the same over there?
>
> inside=near side=the UK left side. If you overtake someone on the
> inside you're doing it in a 'slower' lane, for example.

All lanes have tthe same speed limit, 70MPH, unless indicated otherwise.
All lanes have the same maximum speed, however we always overtake on the
right nd plod can have word with us for doing otherwise.

Not that I would ever undertake, oh no.

>
> Always prone to confusion which is why plod will normally refer to
> them by number, with lane 1 being the leftmost.
>

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Cab wrote:

> Are cage drivers still shits when they see bikes filtering in the UK?
> I still remember them actively trying to block bikes from getting
> past.

Not so much deliberately. If anything, moving over has got better in
the last few years.

There are some who don't move out of the way and make life difficult -
hard to say how many do it deliberately and how many aren't aware.

The main problem is most new cars are so big it leaves less room to
filter in. I find the northbound approach to the Blackwall tunnel
quite narrow for filtering.

That and my Triumph's mirrors are just at transit/SUV height.

--
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Ace wrote:

> Deliberately choosing to drive in a position that stops anyone
> filtering past? Hunreds, an almost every day experience.

In the UK? That's not my experience.

Plenty of car drivers simply unaware that they may be in the way or
that their car is bloody wide but that I put down to being in their
coccoon and not being aware rather than deliberate.

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On 1 Sep 2021 06:09:04 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
wrote:

>The main problem is most new cars are so big it leaves less room to
>filter in.

This. With nobs on. Modern cars are fucking huge compared to what
they used to be
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On Friday, 27 August 2021 at 12:10:28 UTC+1, Cab wrote:
> Well then. As I posted up there somewhere, I won't be able to ride the
> Z nor CB in a big area of Paris from the end of 2022.
>
> SWMBO has said that I can buy a new bike, but obv, the CB and Z have to
> go. <fx: sob>
>
> What recommendations does the font for a big sized machine? I'd like to
> stick with something along the style of the CB, if I can. I was
> thinking of a BMW (maybe the 1200RT?). It'll have to be a Euro4 bike,
> at the very least.

Assuming you don't want to buy a new bike, Gen1 Superduke, ideally an SE, removing the large mirrors obviously. It was hilarious, commuting in and out of Lunnon.
https://flic.kr/p/HqJebq

If that's not too powerful.

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On 01/09/2021 12:20, Champ wrote:
> On 1 Sep 2021 06:09:04 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> The main problem is most new cars are so big it leaves less room to
>> filter in.
>
> This. With nobs on. Modern cars are fucking huge compared to what
> they used to be
>

Safety features I believe, air bags (all round), crash/crumble shells etc.

The new "Mini" makes me laugh.

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On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 14:05:52 +0100, YTC#1
<bdporter@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:

>On 01/09/2021 12:20, Champ wrote:
>> On 1 Sep 2021 06:09:04 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The main problem is most new cars are so big it leaves less room to
>>> filter in.
>>
>> This. With nobs on. Modern cars are fucking huge compared to what
>> they used to be
>>
>
>Safety features I believe, air bags (all round), crash/crumble shells etc.

In fact, cars have always grown over time, with what starts out as a
small car gradually increases size with each new model. Take the VW
range; back in the 1970s the Polo was the smallest in the range, then
the golf etc. Each generation saw each model grow larger until it left
space for a new small car at the bottom of the range, so we've had the
Lupo, Up Fox etc. (to name just a few that I recall) some of which
have then been subject to the same growth over time giving way for yet
smaller new ones.
It's continued, and still does, to happen even since said safety
fearures have been standard features for some time.

>The new "Mini" makes me laugh.

TBF that was only ever supposed to be a similar shape, not size, but
yeah, at a whole 25% wider than the original it's a great example of
cars getting bigger overall.
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On 9/1/2021 4:20 AM, Champ wrote:
> On 1 Sep 2021 06:09:04 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> The main problem is most new cars are so big it leaves less room to
>> filter in.
>
> This. With nobs on. Modern cars are fucking huge compared to what
> they used to be
>
Over here it seems just the opposite.

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On 01/09/2021 14:48, Ace wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 14:05:52 +0100, YTC#1
> <bdporter@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> The new "Mini" makes me laugh.
>
> TBF that was only ever supposed to be a similar shape, not size, but
> yeah, at a whole 25% wider than the original it's a great example of
> cars getting bigger overall.

It's 2cm shorter than the Maxi was, 10cm wider, and 4cm taller.

The Focus now seems about the size that the Mondeo started out, and the
Mondeo has grown to be larger than the Granada was.

On Wed, 01 Sep 2021 12:20:43 +0100, Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:

>On 1 Sep 2021 06:09:04 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
>wrote:
>
>>The main problem is most new cars are so big it leaves less room to
>>filter in.
>
>This. With nobs on. Modern cars are fucking huge compared to what
>they used to be

I've just aquired my fathers 2001 A6 and it is not much bigger than
my wifes 2018 A1. One of our neighbours has a penchant for 1980's hot
hatches. A 1987 Golf is tiny....
--
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Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote in news:hfouighfmhpvhl62o1t7sg5hng5kqvd9p9@
4ax.com:

> On 1 Sep 2021 06:09:04 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>The main problem is most new cars are so big it leaves less room to
>>filter in.
>
> This. With nobs on. Modern cars are fucking huge compared to what
> they used to be

my house was built in 1974. It has an integral garage. Small cars of that
era, the original mini or Austin 1100 might fit in there but no way will I
get my "little" Audi A1 in there. I park both bikes in there in the
mainstand, side by side and just have enough space to walk between them.

More than half of the houses in this little cluster of houses have had the
integral garages converted to extra living space. Only 2 others nearby have
motorbikes and that includes the houses on the main drag, not just my cul
de sac. Just like no 11 across the road where some old chap snuffed it last
year, I guess my house will be converted in due course.

On 01/09/2021 16:32, Mike Fleming wrote:
> On 01/09/2021 14:48, Ace wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 14:05:52 +0100, YTC#1
>> <bdporter@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> The new "Mini" makes me laugh.
>>
>> TBF that was only ever supposed to be a similar shape, not size, but
>> yeah, at a whole 25% wider than the original it's a great example of
>> cars getting bigger overall.
>
> It's 2cm shorter than the Maxi was, 10cm wider, and 4cm taller.
>
> The Focus now seems about the size that the Mondeo started out, and the
> Mondeo has grown to be larger than the Granada was.

The Granada, that was a great car.

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On 01/09/2021 16:10, Turby wrote:
> On 9/1/2021 4:20 AM, Champ wrote:
>> On 1 Sep 2021 06:09:04 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The main problem is most new cars are so big it leaves less room to
>>> filter in.
>>
>> This.  With nobs on.  Modern cars are fucking huge compared to what
>> they used to be
>>
> Over here it seems just the opposite.
>

You'd be hard pressed to get any larger, surely.

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On 01/09/2021 17:09, wessie wrote:
> Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote in news:hfouighfmhpvhl62o1t7sg5hng5kqvd9p9@
> 4ax.com:
>
>> On 1 Sep 2021 06:09:04 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The main problem is most new cars are so big it leaves less room to
>>> filter in.
>>
>> This. With nobs on. Modern cars are fucking huge compared to what
>> they used to be
>
> my house was built in 1974. It has an integral garage. Small cars of that
> era, the original mini or Austin 1100 might fit in there but no way will I

When I moved into my 1970's house in the '80s, my Allegro wouldn't fit
in the garage[1] (well, Ok, I could squeeze out of the windows). And
then later I could use the sunroof on the Capri(s).

> get my "little" Audi A1 in there. I park both bikes in there in the
> mainstand, side by side and just have enough space to walk between them.
>
> More than half of the houses in this little cluster of houses have had the
> integral garages converted to extra living space. Only 2 others nearby have
> motorbikes and that includes the houses on the main drag, not just my cul
> de sac. Just like no 11 across the road where some old chap snuffed it last
> year, I guess my house will be converted in due course.
>

[1] Actually it is only a 3/4 length garage, as the kitchen was extended
into it.
I can still get 6[2] motorbikes into it, using the side passage.

[2] Down to 3 now :-(

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YTC#1 <bdporter@ytc1-removespam.co.uk> wrote in
news:sgoatp$au2$1@dont-email.me:

> [1] Actually it is only a 3/4 length garage, as the kitchen was
> extended into it.
> I can still get 6[2] motorbikes into it, using the side passage.
>
> [2] Down to 3 now :-(
>

I could get 6 bikes in my garage if the rear wasn't used for the washing
machine and small chest freezer, amd the middle wasn't used for shelving
and wardrobe[0] overspill.

[0] there is no wardrobe

YTC#1 wrote:

> > The Focus now seems about the size that the Mondeo started out, and
> > the Mondeo has grown to be larger than the Granada was.
>
> The Granada, that was a great car.

No it wasn't. It's a Ford.

--
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Mark Roberts wrote:

> > This. With nobs on. Modern cars are fucking huge compared to what
> > they used to be
>
> I've just aquired my fathers 2001 A6 and it is not much bigger than
> my wifes 2018 A1. One of our neighbours has a penchant for 1980's hot
> hatches. A 1987 Golf is tiny....

My 1965 Jaguar 3.8S is positively tiny compared to modern stuff - it's
quite long but narrower and shorter.

Not that I've seen it for a while...

--
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On 01/09/2021 18:45, sweller wrote:
> YTC#1 wrote:
>
>>> The Focus now seems about the size that the Mondeo started out, and
>>> the Mondeo has grown to be larger than the Granada was.
>>
>> The Granada, that was a great car.
>
> No it wasn't. It's a Ford.
>

I had a Granada. One of the later hatchback types. I chopped a BMW318i
in for it which was a bit of mistake. It's the only car that's left me
completey and utterly stranded - it stripped one of the gears in the box
and had no drive in forwward or reverse.

My Dad had one one of the earlier ones. That one bust its crank.

--
/Simon

sweller <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> > The Focus now seems about the size that the Mondeo started out, and
>> > the Mondeo has grown to be larger than the Granada was.
>>
>> The Granada, that was a great car.
>
> No it wasn't. It's a Ford.

Actually quite a decent car, th eciloP had a lot of them.
In South Africa they put te Grenada power train into a Cortina GT
to make the XR6. AFAIK none of them made it to the UK but ICBW.

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On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 08:10:50 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:

>On 9/1/2021 4:20 AM, Champ wrote:
>> On 1 Sep 2021 06:09:04 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The main problem is most new cars are so big it leaves less room to
>>> filter in.
>>
>> This. With nobs on. Modern cars are fucking huge compared to what
>> they used to be
>Over here it seems just the opposite.

Are you kidding me? Have you seen a GMC Yukon? I recall parking my
hire car (itself not exactly small) in a Californian ski resort car
park near one, and thinking my car would fit inside the fucking thing
--
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neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
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On Wed, 01 Sep 2021 16:44:05 +0100, Mark Roberts
<mark@markr.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

>One of our neighbours has a penchant for 1980's hot
>hatches. A 1987 Golf is tiny....

Compare that to a 1970s Golf, and it'll look bigger
--
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neal at champ dot org dot uk

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On 9/1/2021 1:05 PM, Champ wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 08:10:50 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 9/1/2021 4:20 AM, Champ wrote:
>>> On 1 Sep 2021 06:09:04 GMT, "sweller" <sweller@mztech.fsnet.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The main problem is most new cars are so big it leaves less room to
>>>> filter in.
>>>
>>> This. With nobs on. Modern cars are fucking huge compared to what
>>> they used to be
>
>> Over here it seems just the opposite.
>
> Are you kidding me? Have you seen a GMC Yukon? I recall parking my
> hire car (itself not exactly small) in a Californian ski resort car
> park near one, and thinking my car would fit inside the fucking thing
>
You think a truck is a car? Oh dear.

--
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FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 01/09/2021 19:06, siwilson wrote:
> On 01/09/2021 18:45, sweller wrote:
>> YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>>>> The Focus now seems about the size that the Mondeo started out, and
>>>> the  Mondeo has grown to be larger than the Granada was.
>>>
>>> The Granada, that was a great car.
>>
>> No it wasn't.  It's a Ford.
>
> I had a Granada. One of the later hatchback types. I chopped a BMW318i
> in for it which was a bit of mistake. It's the only car that's left me
> completey and utterly stranded - it stripped one of the gears in the box
> and had no drive in forwward or reverse.
>
> My Dad had one one of the earlier ones. That one bust its crank.

I had a couple of Grandads, both the later ones. Really comfortable, I
liked them a lot. First one had the radiator fail, which then needed an
engine rebuild, then needed the cylinder head sorting out for unleaded
petrol. The second one was fine.

On 01/09/2021 22:55, Turby wrote:
> On 9/1/2021 1:05 PM, Champ wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 08:10:50 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 9/1/2021 4:20 AM, Champ wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This.  With nobs on.  Modern cars are fucking huge compared to what
>>>> they used to be
>>> Over here it seems just the opposite.
>>
>> Are you kidding me?  Have you seen a GMC Yukon?  I recall parking my
>> hire car (itself not exactly small) in a Californian ski resort car
>> park near one, and thinking my car would fit inside the fucking thing
>>
> You think a truck is a car? Oh dear.

Redneck pedant.

Two words that you don't often see used together.

--
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On 9/2/2021 12:36 AM, Eddie wrote:
> On 01/09/2021 22:55, Turby wrote:
>> On 9/1/2021 1:05 PM, Champ wrote:
>>> On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 08:10:50 -0700, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/1/2021 4:20 AM, Champ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This.  With nobs on.  Modern cars are fucking huge compared to what
>>>>> they used to be
>>>> Over here it seems just the opposite.
>>>
>>> Are you kidding me?  Have you seen a GMC Yukon?  I recall parking my
>>> hire car (itself not exactly small) in a Californian ski resort car
>>> park near one, and thinking my car would fit inside the fucking thing
>>>
>> You think a truck is a car? Oh dear.
>
> Redneck pedant.
>
> Two words that you don't often see used together.
>
If I need 4 wheels, it's to carry something, so I have a truck. I put
lumber, garden supplies, etc, in the bed. I drive it less than 1500
miles a year. If I had a family, I would probably get a sedan.

(I ride my motorcycle >12000 miles per year and can carry all my
groceries, beach gear, etc.)

--
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FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam), Dodge Ram 1500