Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):

Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
Standing Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%

- Mike

On 27/02/2022 14:30, Mike wrote:
> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>
> Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
> Standing Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
> Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
> Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
>
> - Mike
>

Those look very close to the capped rates, so just about what everyone
is paying

Dave

On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 14:30:20 +0000, Mike wrote:

> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>
> Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
Standing
> Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
> Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
> Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
>
> - Mike

We're going to be paying double from April.

On 27 Feb 2022 at 14:30:20 GMT, "Mike" <> wrote:

> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>
> Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
> Standing Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
> Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
> Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
>
> - Mike

Why the huge standing charge increases? Fixed costs haven risen that much,
have they?

--
Cheers, Rob

On 27/02/2022 15:05, Jethro_uk wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 14:30:20 +0000, Mike wrote:
>
>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>
>> Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
> Standing
>> Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
>> Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
>>
>> - Mike
>
> We're going to be paying double from April.

Thank you, Greens and Russia apologistas

--
Renewable energy: Expensive solutions that don't work to a problem that
doesn't exist instituted by self legalising protection rackets that
don't protect, masquerading as public servants who don't serve the public.

On 27/02/2022 15:32, RJH wrote:
> On 27 Feb 2022 at 14:30:20 GMT, "Mike" <> wrote:
>
>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>
>> Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
>> Standing Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
>> Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
>>
>> - Mike
>
> Why the huge standing charge increases? Fixed costs haven risen that much,
> have they?
>
Because they can?

On 27/02/2022 15:32, RJH wrote:
> On 27 Feb 2022 at 14:30:20 GMT, "Mike" <> wrote:
>
>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>
>> Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
>> Standing Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
>> Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
>>
>> - Mike
>
> Why the huge standing charge increases? Fixed costs haven risen that much,
> have they?

That was my thought, but also how the difference between off-peak and
standard seem minimal. A good advert for gas heating.

The standing charge might be cheaper if just using standard electricity.

On 27/02/2022 15:32, RJH wrote:
> On 27 Feb 2022 at 14:30:20 GMT, "Mike" <> wrote:
>
>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>
>> Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
>> Standing Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
>> Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
>>
>> - Mike
>
> Why the huge standing charge increases? Fixed costs haven risen that much,
> have they?
>
Course they have. servicing stuff takes energy in fuel. Making new sires
cists more for similar reasons.

If energy doubles you can expect 25% inflation on EVERYTHING

The cost of everything tangible you buy ultimately depends on the number
of man hours it took to make it including what it took to make what is
used to make it, and supply the energy to make it

Plus the profit you can claw off the top of it

Short gas supplies simply takes money from your pocket and puts in in
Saudi pockets or Kuwaiti pockets.

Fracking it instead would put it in UK pockets.

--
Renewable energy: Expensive solutions that don't work to a problem that
doesn't exist instituted by self legalising protection rackets that
don't protect, masquerading as public servants who don't serve the public.

On 27/02/2022 14:30, Mike wrote:
> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>
> Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
> Standing Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
> Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
> Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
>
> - Mike
>

What is their "justification" for the standing charge increase? because
they can?

--
Global sea level rise to 2100 from curve-fitted existing altimetry data
<http://diverse.4mg.com/slr.htm>

On 27/02/2022 15:57, N_Cook wrote:
> On 27/02/2022 14:30, Mike wrote:
>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>
>> Current Price until 31 March 2022     New Price from 1 April 2022
>> Standing Charge (per day)     24.11p     43.39p    +80%
>> Standard Energy (per kWh)     20.68p     28.46p    +38%
>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh)     17.58p     24.73p    +41%
>>
>> - Mike
>>
>
> What is their "justification" for the standing charge increase? because
> they can?
>

https://sse.co.uk/updates/price-cap#:

On 15:05 27 Feb 2022, Jethro_uk said:

> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 14:30:20 +0000, Mike wrote:
>
>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>
>> Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
> Standing
>> Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
>> Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
>>
>> - Mike
>
> We're going to be paying double from April.

Double the old cost for a kWh or double the daily rate?

On 27/02/2022 14:54, David Wade wrote:
> On 27/02/2022 14:30, Mike wrote:
>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>
>> Current Price until 31 March 2022     New Price from 1 April 2022
>> Standing Charge (per day)     24.11p     43.39p    +80%
>> Standard Energy (per kWh)     20.68p     28.46p    +38%
>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh)     17.58p     24.73p    +41%
>>
>> - Mike
>>
>
> Those look very close to the capped rates, so just about what everyone
> is paying

I managed to shift to a 12 month fix (with no exit fees) earlier this
month. 43.something p per day standing charge and 26.something p per
kWh. I am very glad I did, before prices go up even more in April and
possibly October ... assuming that the current Ukraine situation doesn't
have a drastic effect before then.

We were on 26.something p per day and 14.something p per kWh before
that, but the company folded and our protected period ended.

On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 17:10:01 +0000, Pamela wrote:

> On 15:05 27 Feb 2022, Jethro_uk said:
>
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 14:30:20 +0000, Mike wrote:
>>
>>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>>
>>> Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
>> Standing
>>> Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
>>> Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38% Offpeak
>>> Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
>>>
>>> - Mike
>>
>> We're going to be paying double from April.
>
> Double the old cost for a kWh or double the daily rate?

What I pay has doubled. Really can't be arsed to get the exact breakdown
right now. Mainly because it doesn't achieve anything.

On 27/02/2022 16:09, Richard wrote:
> On 27/02/2022 15:57, N_Cook wrote:
>> On 27/02/2022 14:30, Mike wrote:
>>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>>
>>> Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
>>> Standing Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
>>> Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
>>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
>>>
>>> - Mike
>>>
>>
>> What is their "justification" for the standing charge increase?
>> because they can?
>>
>
> https://sse.co.uk/updates/price-cap#:

So blaming the likes of Arwen, Barra and Eunice

--
Global sea level rise to 2100 from curve-fitted existing altimetry data
<http://diverse.4mg.com/slr.htm>

On 27/02/2022 15:32, RJH wrote:
> On 27 Feb 2022 at 14:30:20 GMT, "Mike" <> wrote:
>
>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>
>> Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
>> Standing Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
>> Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
>>
>> - Mike
>
> Why the huge standing charge increases? Fixed costs haven risen that much,
> have they?
>
To pay for SMART Meters? To fund the "cash back" loan we are getting
from the government? Basically that is what the cap has gone to, if
thats what they can charge I am sure thats what they will charge.

I suspect off-peak has risen because the sun never shines at night,
electric cars need charging at night and so there is no longer a surplus
of generation capacity at night.

Dave

On 27/02/2022 17:25, Steve Walker wrote:
> On 27/02/2022 14:54, David Wade wrote:
>> On 27/02/2022 14:30, Mike wrote:
>>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>>
>>> Current Price until 31 March 2022     New Price from 1 April 2022
>>> Standing Charge (per day)     24.11p     43.39p    +80%
>>> Standard Energy (per kWh)     20.68p     28.46p    +38%
>>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh)     17.58p     24.73p    +41%
>>>
>>> - Mike
>>>
>>
>> Those look very close to the capped rates, so just about what everyone
>> is paying
>
> I managed to shift to a 12 month fix (with no exit fees) earlier this
> month. 43.something p per day standing charge and 26.something p per
> kWh. I am very glad I did, before prices go up even more in April and
> possibly October ... assuming that the current Ukraine situation doesn't
> have a drastic effect before then.
>
> We were on 26.something p per day and 14.something p per kWh before
> that, but the company folded and our protected period ended.

how they can justify raising the standing charge I dont know.

On 27/02/2022 15:39, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 27/02/2022 15:32, RJH wrote:
>> On 27 Feb 2022 at 14:30:20 GMT, "Mike" <> wrote:
>>
>>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>>
>>> Current Price until 31 March 2022     New Price from 1 April 2022
>>> Standing Charge (per day)     24.11p     43.39p    +80%
>>> Standard Energy (per kWh)     20.68p     28.46p    +38%
>>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh)     17.58p     24.73p    +41%
>>>
>>> - Mike
>>
>> Why the huge standing charge increases? Fixed costs haven risen that
>> much,
>> have they?
>>
> Course they have. servicing stuff takes energy in fuel. Making new sires
> cists more for similar reasons.
>
> If energy doubles you can expect 25% inflation on EVERYTHING
>
> The cost of everything tangible you buy ultimately depends on the number
> of man hours it took to make it including what it took to make what is
> used to make it, and supply the energy to make it
>
> Plus the profit you can claw off the top of it
>
> Short gas supplies simply takes money from your pocket and puts in in
> Saudi pockets  or Kuwaiti pockets.
>
> Fracking it instead would put it in UK pockets.
>
>
seems like a good excuse to start fracking.

On 27/02/2022 17:52, N_Cook wrote:
> On 27/02/2022 16:09, Richard wrote:
>> On 27/02/2022 15:57, N_Cook wrote:
>>> On 27/02/2022 14:30, Mike wrote:
>>>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>>>
>>>> Current Price until 31 March 2022     New Price from 1 April 2022
>>>> Standing Charge (per day)     24.11p     43.39p    +80%
>>>> Standard Energy (per kWh)     20.68p     28.46p    +38%
>>>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh)     17.58p     24.73p    +41%
>>>>
>>>> - Mike
>>>>
>>>
>>> What is their "justification" for the standing charge increase?
>>> because they can?
>>>
>>
>> https://sse.co.uk/updates/price-cap#:
>
> So blaming the likes of Arwen, Barra and Eunice

Doesn't matter who gets the blame. Could be Daffy Duck for all the
difference it makes.

On 27/02/2022 18:16, critcher wrote:
> On 27/02/2022 17:25, Steve Walker wrote:
>> On 27/02/2022 14:54, David Wade wrote:
>>> On 27/02/2022 14:30, Mike wrote:
>>>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>>>
>>>> Current Price until 31 March 2022     New Price from 1 April 2022
>>>> Standing Charge (per day)     24.11p     43.39p    +80%
>>>> Standard Energy (per kWh)     20.68p     28.46p    +38%
>>>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh)     17.58p     24.73p    +41%
>>>>
>>>> - Mike
>>>>
>>>
>>> Those look very close to the capped rates, so just about what
>>> everyone is paying
>>
>> I managed to shift to a 12 month fix (with no exit fees) earlier this
>> month. 43.something p per day standing charge and 26.something p per
>> kWh. I am very glad I did, before prices go up even more in April and
>> possibly October ... assuming that the current Ukraine situation
>> doesn't have a drastic effect before then.
>>
>> We were on 26.something p per day and 14.something p per kWh before
>> that, but the company folded and our protected period ended.
>
>
>
> how they can justify raising the standing charge I dont know.

That annoyed me as well, but it was the best deal I could find (with the
company we'd already been moved to).

On 27/02/2022 18:16, critcher wrote:
> On 27/02/2022 17:25, Steve Walker wrote:
>> On 27/02/2022 14:54, David Wade wrote:
>>> On 27/02/2022 14:30, Mike wrote:
>>>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>>>
>>>> Current Price until 31 March 2022     New Price from 1 April 2022
>>>> Standing Charge (per day)     24.11p     43.39p    +80%
>>>> Standard Energy (per kWh)     20.68p     28.46p    +38%
>>>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh)     17.58p     24.73p    +41%
>>>>
>>>> - Mike
>>>>
>>>
>>> Those look very close to the capped rates, so just about what
>>> everyone is paying
>>
>> I managed to shift to a 12 month fix (with no exit fees) earlier this
>> month. 43.something p per day standing charge and 26.something p per
>> kWh. I am very glad I did, before prices go up even more in April and
>> possibly October ... assuming that the current Ukraine situation
>> doesn't have a drastic effect before then.
>>
>> We were on 26.something p per day and 14.something p per kWh before
>> that, but the company folded and our protected period ended.
>
>
>
> how they can justify raising the standing charge I dont know.

Does the cap apply to the standing charge?

--
Cheers,

John.

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In message <svge48$imi$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:58:33 on Sun, 27 Feb
2022, David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> remarked:
>On 27/02/2022 15:32, RJH wrote:
>> On 27 Feb 2022 at 14:30:20 GMT, "Mike" <> wrote:
>>
>>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>>
>>> Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
>>> Standing Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
>>> Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
>>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
>>>
>>> - Mike
>> Why the huge standing charge increases? Fixed costs haven risen that
>>much,
>> have they?
>>
>To pay for SMART Meters? To fund the "cash back" loan we are getting
>from the government? Basically that is what the cap has gone to, if
>thats what they can charge I am sure thats what they will charge.
>
>I suspect off-peak has risen because the sun never shines at night,
>electric cars need charging at night and so there is no longer a
>surplus of generation capacity at night.

And they've switched off most coal plants, and switched off Hunterston B
last month, and will switch off Hinkley Point B in the summer.
--
Roland Perry

John Rumm wrote:

>On 27/02/2022 18:16, critcher wrote:

>> how they can justify raising the standing charge I dont know.
>
>Does the cap apply to the standing charge?

<https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/information-consumers/energy-advice-households/check-if-energy-price-cap-affects-you>

"Average price cap unit rates
Customer with typical usage, paying by direct debit*

Current price cap period
(1 October 2021 - 31 March 2022)

Electricity
£0.21 per kWh
Daily standing charge: £0.25

Gas
£0.04 per kWh
Daily standing charge: £0.26

Next price cap period
(1 April - 30 September 2022)

Electricity
£0.28 per kWh
Daily standing charge: £0.45

Gas
£0.07 per kWh
Daily standing charge: £0.27

*Rates are averages and will vary by region, payment method and
meter type. Contact your supplier for personalised information."

In a word, yes.

Chris
--
Chris J Dixon Nottingham UK
chris@cdixon.me.uk @ChrisJDixon1

Plant amazing Acers.

Chris J Dixon <chris@cdixon.me.uk> wrote:
> John Rumm wrote:
>
> >On 27/02/2022 18:16, critcher wrote:
>
> >> how they can justify raising the standing charge I dont know.
> >
> >Does the cap apply to the standing charge?
>
> <https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/information-consumers/energy-advice-households/check-if-energy-price-cap-affects-you>
>
> "Average price cap unit rates
> Customer with typical usage, paying by direct debit*

The actual cap rates are here:
https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/publications/default-tariff-cap-level-1-april-2022-30-september-2022

Basically there are two points on the graph that are capped:
zero units (ie standing charges only) and 'average' usage (12000kWh gas,
3100kWh standard elec, 4200kWh E7 elec). Energy companies are free to come
up with a tariff as long as it fits between those two points.
The unit rates are not directly capped, but you couldn't make a straight
line between those two points without capping them.
(I'm not clear if the line has to be straight by law)

In effect the standing charge caps for direct debit payment are:
Gas £94.62 (pa I think)
Elec £146.84 (North West) to £179.46 (Southern Western)

In comparison, the October 21 to March 22 standing charge cap was:
Gas £90.81
Elec £84.76 to £89.21

If you look at the network cost methodology spreadsheet, it does appear to
take into account transmission charges. In other words, this is not just a
calculation of 'market rates gone up by X%, standing charges up X% too' but
does appear to be based on network charges including the proportion of
energy taken in the 4-7pm peak period (which is rising).

There is also deferral of COVID related costs from May 2020 by National Grid ESO to
21-22 (adding about £3/MWhr):
https://www.nationalgrideso.com/industry-information/codes/connection-and-use-system-code-cusc-old/modifications/cmp345-defer
https://www.cornwall-insight.com/the-balancing-mechanism-and-bsuos-under-lockdown/

I'm no expert but it does seem like network and stability costs are the
driver, rather than price gouging.

Theo

In article <svg3vt$4e2$7@dont-email.me>,
Jethro_uk <jethro_uk@hotmailbin.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 14:30:20 +0000, Mike wrote:

> > Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
> >
> > Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
> Standing
> > Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
> > Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
> > Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
> >
> > - Mike

> We're going to be paying double from April.

Was talking to my brother yesterday. His large old house in the North of
Scotland (not worth a large amount) is going to soak up near enough his
entire state OAP.

--
*Don't worry about avoiding temptation. As you grow older, it will avoid you.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Dave Plowman wrote:

> Was talking to my brother yesterday. His large old house in the North of
> Scotland (not worth a large amount) is going to soak up near enough his
> entire state OAP.

He could rent out a few rooms to people doing bitcoin mining?