On 13/03/2022 09:46, Spike wrote:
> On 12/03/2022 13:06, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
>
>> The standing charge covers the green levies, and also paying for all the
>> electricity companies which have gone bust and importing their
>> customers. I suspect this latter part has increased significantly just
>> recently.
>
>> So it's effectively a tax rise to cover the suppliers who offered deals
>> too good to be true and went bust. Perhaps this should have been levied
>> only on the former customers of those companies?
>
> And in similar vein why do all of us have to pay the 'green levy' when
> we'd rather have a guaranteed energy supply from the traditional generators?
>
Some of the cheapskate minnow energy suppliers that failed, did so
because they *hadn't* been making their contribution to the various
greenwash schemes. They were just another Northern Rock, buying spot
and lending long, so doomed to fail at the sniff of trouble.

On 13/03/2022 10:20, Andrew wrote:
> On 13/03/2022 09:17, alan_m wrote:
>> On 12/03/2022 20:15, Andrew wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Why should the 15 million who never switched get £85 added to their
>>> bills to bail out the failures ?.
>>
>
>> I got my outstanding credit back from a failed supplier. With the
>> current "levy" on standing charges I'll be paying it back within a
>> couple of years!
>>
>
> ROFL. If you had worked out what you were really paying (because
> your DD was deliberately too high) then you weren't saving
> very much at all.

Yep. I missed out on the few pence that I would have got investing the
amount of money I had in credit :)

>
> And you didn't get your credit 'back' from a failed supplier
> because it had no money, which is why it failed. Just like all those
> stupid people who fall for banking scams and 'move their money to a
> safe account' you have been given money by the shareholders of your
> new supplier.

I didn't get the money back from the shareholders. I got back from the
mugs who were already used to over paying for their energy.

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On 13/03/2022 14:51, alan_m wrote:
> On 13/03/2022 10:20, Andrew wrote:
>> On 13/03/2022 09:17, alan_m wrote:
>>> On 12/03/2022 20:15, Andrew wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why should the 15 million who never switched get £85 added to their
>>>> bills to bail out the failures ?.
>>>
>>
>>> I got my outstanding credit back from a failed supplier. With the
>>> current "levy" on standing charges I'll be paying it back within a
>>> couple of years!
>>>
>>
>> ROFL. If you had worked out what you were really paying (because
>> your DD was deliberately too high) then you weren't saving
>> very much at all.
>
> Yep. I missed out on the few pence that I would have got investing the
> amount of money I had in credit :)
>
>>
>> And you didn't get your credit 'back' from a failed supplier
>> because it had no money, which is why it failed. Just like all those
>> stupid people who fall for banking scams and 'move their money to a
>> safe account' you have been given money by the shareholders of your
>> new supplier.
>
>
> I didn't get the money back from the shareholders. I got back from the
> mugs who were already used to over paying for their energy.
>

Who will deliver a 1945-style landslide victory to Labour at the
next next GE. Sellers packs will be back with a vengeance plus
massive tax increases on the cheapskates who didn't bother to
insulate their sold-walled, suspended-floor 'character' properties
because they thought the cheap gas would just keep on flowing.

Idiots, here is is one whining to the DT -

"One reader from Dorset has moved between seven different suppliers
since last year after four companies collapsed or he was moved to
tariffs that were vastly more expensive than his ­previous deal.

<awe shucks>

He switched to Symbio, an electricity-only supplier, from Together
Energy, in May, paying £184 a month to heat and power his large
Victorian house. He said: “It went bust in September and I was passed to
E.On. I did a quick comparison with my exact meter readings over the
past year and was quoted £454 per month.”

I hope he has enough income to pay the ~£8K that it will cost to
heat that icebox in about a years time.

On 13 Mar 2022 at 17:23:11 GMT, Andrew <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com>
wrote:

> On 13/03/2022 14:51, alan_m wrote:

>> I didn't get the money back from the shareholders. I got back from the
>> mugs who were already used to over paying for their energy.
>
> Who will deliver a 1945-style landslide victory to Labour at the
> next next GE. Sellers packs will be back with a vengeance plus
> massive tax increases on the cheapskates who didn't bother to
> insulate their solid-walled, suspended-floor 'character' properties
> because they thought the cheap gas would just keep on flowing.

Gas? What gas?

Our 1930s villa-style house is cavity wall, which has duly had shredded paper
sprayed in. Because the outer leaf appears to be made of bricks of depleted
uranium, this shredded paper has remained dry. We also has the loft insulated
up to 10" and all the windows replaced by upvc dg. All frames are screwed to
the brickwork, although how they managed that with the uranium I know not. But
they did it; I watched 'em.

Meanwhile - the suspended floors. Are ye suggesting we have 'em up? Yer being
extremely witty, if so. Other bright ideas?

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On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 04:23:11 +1100, Andrew
<Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> wrote:

> On 13/03/2022 14:51, alan_m wrote:
>> On 13/03/2022 10:20, Andrew wrote:
>>> On 13/03/2022 09:17, alan_m wrote:
>>>> On 12/03/2022 20:15, Andrew wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Why should the 15 million who never switched get £85 added to their
>>>>> bills to bail out the failures ?.
>>>>
>>>
>>>> I got my outstanding credit back from a failed supplier. With the
>>>> current "levy" on standing charges I'll be paying it back within a
>>>> couple of years!
>>>>
>>>
>>> ROFL. If you had worked out what you were really paying (because
>>> your DD was deliberately too high) then you weren't saving
>>> very much at all.
>> Yep. I missed out on the few pence that I would have got investing the
>> amount of money I had in credit :)
>>
>>>
>>> And you didn't get your credit 'back' from a failed supplier
>>> because it had no money, which is why it failed. Just like all those
>>> stupid people who fall for banking scams and 'move their money to a
>>> safe account' you have been given money by the shareholders of your
>>> new supplier.
>> I didn't get the money back from the shareholders. I got back from
>> the mugs who were already used to over paying for their energy.
>>
>
> Who will deliver a 1945-style landslide victory to Labour at the
> next next GE.

Don't believe that.

> Sellers packs will be back with a vengeance plus
> massive tax increases on the cheapskates who didn't bother to
> insulate their sold-walled, suspended-floor 'character' properties
> because they thought the cheap gas would just keep on flowing.
>
> Idiots, here is is one whining to the DT -
>
> "One reader from Dorset has moved between seven different suppliers
> since last year after four companies collapsed or he was moved to
> tariffs that were vastly more expensive than his previous deal.
>
> <awe shucks>
>
> He switched to Symbio, an electricity-only supplier, from Together
> Energy, in May, paying £184 a month to heat and power his large
> Victorian house. He said: “It went bust in September and I was passed to
> E.On. I did a quick comparison with my exact meter readings over the
> past year and was quoted £454 per month.”
>
> I hope he has enough income to pay the ~£8K that it will cost to
> heat that icebox in about a years time.

On 13/03/2022 09:33, Spike wrote:

> Just ran a spreadsheet of my monthly consumption of gas and electricity
> averaged over the last seven years, to compare Octopus' Loyalty 10-month
> fixed offer with April's price-cap rise, over the period of April to
> March 2023.
>
> The fly in the ointment is the coming rise in October, so I ran the
> spreadsheet for the twelve months April to March for variable percentage
> increases of the April rates to apply from October, and compared the two
> offers.
>
> The April cap prices win out (cost less) for October rises in unit
> prices and standing charges of up to 93 percent over the April cap. I
> suspect that rises of this magnitude will cause riots in the streets and
> governments to fall, so I'm not going to take up the 10-month Loyalty
> fixed offer.

I've just done some quick calculations (for my usage) and with the
Octopus 10 MONTH fixed price deal for electricity the October capped
price increase would have to be above 75% for the fixed deal to break
even and for gas the October capped price would have to be above 85%.

All referenced to the April capped prices.

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On 14/03/2022 10:32, alan_m wrote:
> On 13/03/2022 09:33, Spike wrote:

>> Just ran a spreadsheet of my monthly consumption of gas and electricity
>> averaged over the last seven years, to compare Octopus' Loyalty 10-month
>> fixed offer with April's price-cap rise, over the period of April to
>> March 2023.

>> The fly in the ointment is the coming rise in October, so I ran the
>> spreadsheet for the twelve months April to March for variable percentage
>> increases of the April rates to apply from October, and compared the two
>> offers.

>> The April cap prices win out (cost less) for October rises in unit
>> prices and standing charges of up to 93 percent over the April cap. I
>> suspect that rises of this magnitude will cause riots in the streets and
>> governments to fall, so I'm not going to take up the 10-month Loyalty
>> fixed offer.

> I've just done some quick calculations (for my usage) and with the
> Octopus 10 MONTH fixed price deal for electricity the October capped
> price increase would have to be above 75% for the fixed deal to break
> even and for gas the October capped price would have to be above 85%.

> All referenced to the April capped prices.

I did the calculations based on equal percentage rises for both gas and
electricity, but even so it doesn't seem much of a gamble to avoid this
offer. It appears to be designed to bring cash into Octopus sooner
rather than later.

--
Spike

On Sunday, 13 March 2022 at 09:46:26 UTC, Spike wrote:
> If people want 'green energy'. let them pay the full cost of it, and
> suffer the irregularity of supply - this winter there were two separate
> weeks where the laughable renewables were struggling to supply 10
> percent of demand. Freezing their balls off for a week at a time might
> concentrate their minds on how thoughtless the renewables programme is.

That would require them to be forced to have smart meters that could
be switch off remotely. Hmm.... Bring it on! :)

I'll agree to have a smart meter only when the supplier can supply me
with 100% guarranteed nuclear electricity and never charges me for any
green bollocks. (Though I consider nuclear to be green :) )

jgh

On 16/03/2022 00:16, Jonathan Harston wrote:
> On Sunday, 13 March 2022 at 09:46:26 UTC, Spike wrote:

>> If people want 'green energy'. let them pay the full cost of it, and
>> suffer the irregularity of supply - this winter there were two separate
>> weeks where the laughable renewables were struggling to supply 10
>> percent of demand. Freezing their balls off for a week at a time might
>> concentrate their minds on how thoughtless the renewables programme is.

> That would require them to be forced to have smart meters that could
> be switch off remotely. Hmm.... Bring it on! :)

> I'll agree to have a smart meter only when the supplier can supply me
> with 100% guaranteed nuclear electricity and never charges me for any
> green bollocks. (Though I consider nuclear to be green :) )

When I was with OVO, they kept asking me how they could make things
better. I used to respond by saying what you did above, adding that when
the wind didn't blow and the sun didn't shine, like it did for two weeks
this winter, those on green energy could just freeze, I never got a reply...

--
Spike

On 16/03/2022 00:16, Jonathan Harston wrote:
> On Sunday, 13 March 2022 at 09:46:26 UTC, Spike wrote:
>> If people want 'green energy'. let them pay the full cost of it, and
>> suffer the irregularity of supply - this winter there were two separate
>> weeks where the laughable renewables were struggling to supply 10
>> percent of demand. Freezing their balls off for a week at a time might
>> concentrate their minds on how thoughtless the renewables programme is.
>
> That would require them to be forced to have smart meters that could
> be switch off remotely. Hmm.... Bring it on! :)
>
> I'll agree to have a smart meter only when the supplier can supply me
> with 100% guarranteed nuclear electricity and never charges me for any
> green bollocks. (Though I consider nuclear to be green :) )
>
> jgh
>

My supplier is trying to bribe me with 50 squid to have one of their
corrupt devices , why read and write ,the shite?

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N_Cook <diverse@tcp.co.uk> wrote:
> On 16/03/2022 00:16, Jonathan Harston wrote:
>> On Sunday, 13 March 2022 at 09:46:26 UTC, Spike wrote:
>>> If people want 'green energy'. let them pay the full cost of it, and
>>> suffer the irregularity of supply - this winter there were two separate
>>> weeks where the laughable renewables were struggling to supply 10
>>> percent of demand. Freezing their balls off for a week at a time might
>>> concentrate their minds on how thoughtless the renewables programme is.
>>
>> That would require them to be forced to have smart meters that could
>> be switch off remotely. Hmm.... Bring it on! :)
>>
>> I'll agree to have a smart meter only when the supplier can supply me
>> with 100% guarranteed nuclear electricity and never charges me for any
>> green bollocks. (Though I consider nuclear to be green :) )
>>
>> jgh
>>
>
> My supplier is trying to bribe me with 50 squid to have one of their
> corrupt devices , why read and write ,the shite?
>

When you’re forced (or chose) to have an EV, you can enjoy being at the
back of a very long queue of people desperate for smart meters.

Tim

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On 27/02/2022 14:30, Mike wrote:
> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>
> Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
> Standing Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
> Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
> Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
>
> - Mike
>

Just looking at my latest bill from Clearbusiness, £1.90 per day
standing charge and £0.49 per unit.

They know how to make friends don't they?