In article <j84c4tF6g7hU1@mid.individual.net>,
Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Dave Plowman wrote:

> > Was talking to my brother yesterday. His large old house in the North of
> > Scotland (not worth a large amount) is going to soak up near enough his
> > entire state OAP.

> He could rent out a few rooms to people doing bitcoin mining?

I'll pass that on. ;-) It's not very conveniently situated for more common
types of rental.

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On 28/02/2022 06:53, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <svge48$imi$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:58:33 on Sun, 27 Feb
> 2022, David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> remarked:
>> On 27/02/2022 15:32, RJH wrote:
>>> On 27 Feb 2022 at 14:30:20 GMT, "Mike" <> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>>>
>>>> Current Price until 31 March 2022     New Price from 1 April 2022
>>>> Standing Charge (per day)     24.11p     43.39p    +80%
>>>> Standard Energy (per kWh)     20.68p     28.46p    +38%
>>>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh)     17.58p     24.73p    +41%
>>>>
>>>> - Mike
>>>  Why the huge standing charge increases? Fixed costs haven risen that
>>> much,
>>> have they?
>>>
>> To pay for SMART Meters? To fund the "cash back" loan we are getting
>> from the government? Basically that is what the cap has gone to, if
>> thats what they can charge I am sure thats what they will charge.
>>
>> I suspect off-peak has risen because the sun never shines at night,
>> electric cars need charging at night and so there is no longer a
>> surplus of generation capacity at night.
>
> And they've switched off most coal plants, and switched off Hunterston B
> last month, and will switch off Hinkley Point B in the summer.

Our nukes won't be coming back, but amused to see Germany about to do a
U turn on nuclear and coal, thanks to Mr Putin.

In article <svj6lc$39n$4@dont-email.me>,
newshound <sradcliffe544@gmail.com> wrote:
> Our nukes won't be coming back, but amused to see Germany about to do a
> U turn on nuclear and coal, thanks to Mr Putin.

Can you tell us how we'll get the required amount of electricity in the
future without nukes?

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On 28/02/2022 19:09, newshound wrote:
> On 28/02/2022 06:53, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <svge48$imi$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:58:33 on Sun, 27 Feb
>> 2022, David Wade <g4ugm@dave.invalid> remarked:
>>> On 27/02/2022 15:32, RJH wrote:
>>>> On 27 Feb 2022 at 14:30:20 GMT, "Mike" <> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>>>>
>>>>> Current Price until 31 March 2022     New Price from 1 April 2022
>>>>> Standing Charge (per day)     24.11p     43.39p    +80%
>>>>> Standard Energy (per kWh)     20.68p     28.46p    +38%
>>>>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh)     17.58p     24.73p    +41%
>>>>>
>>>>> - Mike
>>>>  Why the huge standing charge increases? Fixed costs haven risen
>>>> that much,
>>>> have they?
>>>>
>>> To pay for SMART Meters? To fund the "cash back" loan we are getting
>>> from the government? Basically that is what the cap has gone to, if
>>> thats what they can charge I am sure thats what they will charge.
>>>
>>> I suspect off-peak has risen because the sun never shines at night,
>>> electric cars need charging at night and so there is no longer a
>>> surplus of generation capacity at night.
>>
>> And they've switched off most coal plants, and switched off Hunterston
>> B last month, and will switch off Hinkley Point B in the summer.
>
> Our nukes won't be coming back, but amused to see Germany about to do a
> U turn on nuclear and coal, thanks to Mr Putin.

There is room to extend the life of what we have, and install more

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On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 01:35:48 +1100, Dave Plowman (News)
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <svj6lc$39n$4@dont-email.me>,
> newshound <sradcliffe544@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Our nukes won't be coming back, but amused to see Germany about to do a
>> U turn on nuclear and coal, thanks to Mr Putin.
>
> Can you tell us how we'll get the required amount of electricity in the
> future without nukes?

There is no without nukes, even you should have noticed a new one is being
built.

Mike <> wrote:

> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>
> Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
> Standing Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
> Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
> Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%

Just had my first bill from EDF for previous 99 days

elec usage 161.10
elec standing 22.40
gas usage 247.34
gas standing 24.62
vat 22.77
======
TOTAL 478.24

Plugging in the new EDF rates from 1st April, as though I would have the same
usage, even though gas usage will be lower for Mar->May than it has been for
Nov->Feb.

elec usage 230.16
elec standing 44.30
gas usage 474.35
gas standing 26.95
vat already included
======
TOTAL 775.76

Comparing on that basis, the new cap vs the current cap for me works out 62%
higher over winter, but using my annual elec/gas figures plus 365 days of
standing charges works out 56% higher, not far adrift from OFGEM's notional 54%

I bet they want the direct debit to rise more than the £85 -> £162 that I
estimate, perhaps that's valid given the cap will be altered again before next
winter.

On 01/03/2022 16:56, Jacob Jones wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 01:35:48 +1100, Dave Plowman (News)
> <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> In article <svj6lc$39n$4@dont-email.me>,
>>    newshound <sradcliffe544@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Our nukes won't be coming back, but amused to see Germany about to do a
>>> U turn on nuclear and coal, thanks to Mr Putin.
>>
>> Can you tell us how we'll get the required amount of electricity in the
>> future without nukes?
>
> There is no without nukes, even you should have noticed a new one is
> being built.

Snipping is usually a good thing, but I was pointing out that we won't
bring back our shut-down nukes, although Germany can defer their planned
closures. I don't doubt that China and a few other countries will
continue with nuclear. I still think HPC could be our last for some
time. I think there is a good chance they have had their day in the
West, rather like narrowboats. A combination of safety misinformation
and climate paranoia. We'll live with high energy prices and low growth.
There might be a chance for SMR globally but so far it is virtually all
talk, and no construction. In the long term, who knows? There might be a
fusion breakthrough. Towards the end of the century, China might be 70%
nuclear like France is now. By then, other countries might realise that
China can build them quickly, cheaply, and safely.

newshound wrote:

> I still think HPC could be our last for some time. I think there is a good
> chance they have had their day in the West

You think Sizewell C will fail due to lack of investor(s)?

On 02/03/2022 11:26, Andy Burns wrote:
> newshound wrote:
>
>> I still think HPC could be our last for some time. I think there is a
>> good chance they have had their day in the West
>
> You think Sizewell C will fail due to lack of investor(s)?
>
Good chance, I'd say. Unless the Government gets its arse in gear, and
how likely is that?

On 02/03/2022 11:16, newshound wrote:
> On 01/03/2022 16:56, Jacob Jones wrote:
>> On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 01:35:48 +1100, Dave Plowman (News)
>> <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <svj6lc$39n$4@dont-email.me>,
>>>    newshound <sradcliffe544@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Our nukes won't be coming back, but amused to see Germany about to do a
>>>> U turn on nuclear and coal, thanks to Mr Putin.
>>>
>>> Can you tell us how we'll get the required amount of electricity in the
>>> future without nukes?
>>
>> There is no without nukes, even you should have noticed a new one is
>> being built.
>
> Snipping is usually a good thing, but I was pointing out that we won't
> bring back our shut-down nukes, although Germany can defer their planned
> closures. I don't doubt that China and a few other countries will
> continue with nuclear. I still think HPC could be our last for some
> time. I think there is a good chance they have had their day in the
> West, rather like narrowboats.

Completely wrong. What has had its day is windmills and solar panels.

Or civilisation.

There will be a crash program to build nuclear power within a year all
across Europe.

> A combination of safety misinformation
> and climate paranoia. We'll live with high energy prices and low growth.

Only if we let the politicians impose it.

There is no shortage of cheap energy in the world, just the willingness
to use it.

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On 02/03/2022 11:26, Andy Burns wrote:
> newshound wrote:
>
>> I still think HPC could be our last for some time. I think there is a
>> good chance they have had their day in the West
>
> You think Sizewell C will fail due to lack of investor(s)?
>
It will if the government refuses to underwrite nuclear. I wouldn't
invest in a power station where e.g. the chance of a liberal democrat
coalition would see it shut down for ideological reasons or taxed out of
profitability by a labour government.

If the only way to guarantee it is to have it state owned, so be it. It
would be a far far better investment of taxpayers money than a bunch of
fat cows sitting in NHS reception areas saying 'the computer says no' ...

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On 02/03/2022 12:01, newshound wrote:
> On 02/03/2022 11:26, Andy Burns wrote:
>> newshound wrote:
>>
>>> I still think HPC could be our last for some time. I think there is a
>>> good chance they have had their day in the West
>>
>> You think Sizewell C will fail due to lack of investor(s)?
>>
> Good chance, I'd say. Unless the Government gets its arse in gear, and
> how likely is that?
Very likely if, and only if,. there is a massive demand that they do and
the prospect of massive electoral defeat if they do not.

It would take just one party to promise it, and they would probably win
the next election.

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> I wouldn't invest in a power station where e.g. the chance of a liberal
> democrat coalition would see it shut down for ideological reasons or taxed
> out of profitability by a labour government.

No idea to what extend this shares the risk?

<https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3057>

On 02/03/2022 12:56, Andy Burns wrote:
>
> The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>
>> I wouldn't invest in a power station where e.g. the chance of a liberal
>> democrat coalition would see it shut down for ideological reasons or
>> taxed
>> out of profitability by a labour government.
>
> No idea to what extend this shares the risk?
>
> <https://bills.parliament.uk/bills/3057>

It seems to go a long way. Your link is legalistic gobbledygook - the
actual principal is explained better here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/future-funding-for-nuclear-plants

Salient points are:

"a company receives a licence from an economic regulator to charge a
regulated price to consumers in exchange for providing the
infrastructure in question."
I think what this means at least in part as explained later, is that
there will be a small 'surcharge' on your bill that will go to the asset
provider even before the asset is built.

This takes some of the sting out of project overruns as the interest on
the capital loan is being paid by consumers.

One of the tow big uncertainties is in fact that project overruns will
happen because of regulatory changes during construction that will
affect the build time, by requiring re certification of all or part of
the design, This shifts a lot of the cost of that to the consumer.

I do not believe it covers the issue of forced closure for political
reasons.

I suspect that any large consortium looking to invest would in the event
require a contract with the governement of some sort covering that
contingency and the contingency of being forced to adhere to changed and
deliberately impossible or uneconomic regulatory regimes such as e.g.
'perfect' cleanup and decommissioning or some such, in the same way that
coal was given economic ultimata that essentially rendered it
unprofitable to build or operate.

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In article <op.1ic2nxhidsjozi@pvr2.lan>,
Jacob Jones <jkj33@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 01:35:48 +1100, Dave Plowman (News)
> <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> > In article <svj6lc$39n$4@dont-email.me>,
> > newshound <sradcliffe544@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Our nukes won't be coming back, but amused to see Germany about to do a
> >> U turn on nuclear and coal, thanks to Mr Putin.
> >
> > Can you tell us how we'll get the required amount of electricity in the
> > future without nukes?

> There is no without nukes, even you should have noticed a new one is
> being built.

Talk about too little too late. We have known for ages when our gas was
going to run out. And also know from bitter experience relying on imported
energy is likely to result in tears at some point.

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On 02/03/2022 12:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 02/03/2022 11:16, newshound wrote:
>> On 01/03/2022 16:56, Jacob Jones wrote:
>>> On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 01:35:48 +1100, Dave Plowman (News)
>>> <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <svj6lc$39n$4@dont-email.me>,
>>>>    newshound <sradcliffe544@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Our nukes won't be coming back, but amused to see Germany about to
>>>>> do a
>>>>> U turn on nuclear and coal, thanks to Mr Putin.
>>>>
>>>> Can you tell us how we'll get the required amount of electricity in the
>>>> future without nukes?
>>>
>>> There is no without nukes, even you should have noticed a new one is
>>> being built.
>>
>> Snipping is usually a good thing, but I was pointing out that we won't
>> bring back our shut-down nukes, although Germany can defer their
>> planned closures. I don't doubt that China and a few other countries
>> will continue with nuclear. I still think HPC could be our last for
>> some time. I think there is a good chance they have had their day in
>> the West, rather like narrowboats.
>
> Completely wrong. What has had its day is windmills and solar panels.
>
> Or civilisation.
>
> There will be a crash program to build nuclear power within a year all
> across Europe.

I'd really like for you to be proved right.

>
>
>> A combination of safety misinformation and climate paranoia. We'll
>> live with high energy prices and low growth.
>
> Only if we let the politicians impose it.

Remember Jim Hacker: "I am their leader! I must follow them!"

When they imposed price caps on energy "to protect the consumer" look
how well that turned out.

>
> There is no shortage of cheap energy in the world, just the willingness
> to use it.
>
>
Not sure that is true any more. Fracked gas is probably the cheapest at
the moment. How quickly do you think the momentum behind the two
separate movements against a) fracking and b) fossil fuel can be turned
around?

On 02/03/2022 16:52, newshound wrote:
> On 02/03/2022 12:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 02/03/2022 11:16, newshound wrote:
>>> On 01/03/2022 16:56, Jacob Jones wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 01:35:48 +1100, Dave Plowman (News)
>>>> <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <svj6lc$39n$4@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>    newshound <sradcliffe544@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Our nukes won't be coming back, but amused to see Germany about to
>>>>>> do a
>>>>>> U turn on nuclear and coal, thanks to Mr Putin.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you tell us how we'll get the required amount of electricity in
>>>>> the
>>>>> future without nukes?
>>>>
>>>> There is no without nukes, even you should have noticed a new one is
>>>> being built.
>>>
>>> Snipping is usually a good thing, but I was pointing out that we
>>> won't bring back our shut-down nukes, although Germany can defer
>>> their planned closures. I don't doubt that China and a few other
>>> countries will continue with nuclear. I still think HPC could be our
>>> last for some time. I think there is a good chance they have had
>>> their day in the West, rather like narrowboats.
>>
>> Completely wrong. What has had its day is windmills and solar panels.
>>
>> Or civilisation.
>>
>> There will be a crash program to build nuclear power within a year all
>> across Europe.
>
> I'd really like for you to be proved right.
>
>>
>>
>>> A combination of safety misinformation and climate paranoia. We'll
>>> live with high energy prices and low growth.
>>
>> Only if we let the politicians impose it.
>
> Remember Jim Hacker: "I am their leader! I must follow them!"
>
> When they imposed price caps on energy "to protect the consumer" look
> how well that turned out.
>
>
>>
>> There is no shortage of cheap energy in the world, just the
>> willingness to use it.
>>
>>
> Not sure that is true any more. Fracked gas is probably the cheapest at
> the moment. How quickly do you think the momentum behind the two
> separate movements against a) fracking and b) fossil fuel can be turned
> around?
>
Uranium as mined is around .01p per kWh.
Fracked gas would probably cost around 4-5p/kWh,

High energy prices have been deliberately generated to make profit for
windmill operators, Arabs and Russians, and impoverish ordinary people.

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newshound <sradcliffe544@gmail.com> wrote
> Jacob Jones wrote
>> Dave Plowman (News) <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote
>>> newshound <sradcliffe544@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>> Our nukes won't be coming back, but amused to see Germany about to do
>>>> a U turn on nuclear and coal, thanks to Mr Putin.

>>> Can you tell us how we'll get the required amount of electricity in the
>>> future without nukes?

>> There is no without nukes, even you should have noticed a new one is
>> being built.

> Snipping is usually a good thing, but I was pointing out that we won't
> bring back our shut-down nukes,

That comment wasn't yours it was the plowcunt's.

> although Germany can defer their planned closures.

> I don't doubt that China and a few other countries will continue with
> nuclear.

More than just a few others.

> I still think HPC could be our last for some time.

That is all that is needed for some time and others being
considered for shutdown can be shut down later too.

> I think there is a good chance they have had their day in the West,

I don't. In spades with France, various other western european
countrys. Japan, China and India won't be giving up on them either.

> rather like narrowboats.

Nothing like narrowboats in fact.

> A combination of safety misinformation and climate paranoia.

If the climate paranoia continues, that favors nukes over gas fired power
generation.

> We'll live with high energy prices and low growth.

I doubt it.

> There might be a chance for SMR globally but so far it is virtually all
> talk, and no construction. In the long term, who knows? There might be a
> fusion breakthrough. Towards the end of the century, China might be 70%
> nuclear like France is now. By then, other countries might realise that
> China can build them quickly, cheaply, and safely.

Specially if HPC works out well, tho it is hardly cheap.

On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 14:30:20 +0000, Mike <> wrote:

>Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>
>Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
>Standing Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
>Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
>Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
>

Just got mine through (Eon-Next), no contract, manual meter

Electricity

Standing charge (per day) 28.327 50.534 +78%
Unit rate - Day (per kWh) 21.400 29.100 +36%
Unit rate - Night (per kWh) 21.400 29.100 +36%

Gas

Standing charge (per day) 30.783 32.031 +4%
Unit rate (per kWh) 4.200 7.670 +83%

A couple of notes:

1) I pay by credit card on receipt of bill
2) I have chosen to have the same night rate as day rate

Looks as if I need to do a bit of shopping around and maybe adjust my
payment methods. I am resisting smart meters.

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On 02/03/2022 12:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 02/03/2022 11:16, newshound wrote:
>> On 01/03/2022 16:56, Jacob Jones wrote:
>>> On Wed, 02 Mar 2022 01:35:48 +1100, Dave Plowman (News)
>>> <dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <svj6lc$39n$4@dont-email.me>,
>>>>    newshound <sradcliffe544@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Our nukes won't be coming back, but amused to see Germany about to
>>>>> do a
>>>>> U turn on nuclear and coal, thanks to Mr Putin.
>>>>
>>>> Can you tell us how we'll get the required amount of electricity in the
>>>> future without nukes?
>>>
>>> There is no without nukes, even you should have noticed a new one is
>>> being built.
>>
>> Snipping is usually a good thing, but I was pointing out that we won't
>> bring back our shut-down nukes, although Germany can defer their
>> planned closures. I don't doubt that China and a few other countries
>> will continue with nuclear. I still think HPC could be our last for
>> some time. I think there is a good chance they have had their day in
>> the West, rather like narrowboats.
>
> Completely wrong. What has had its day is windmills and solar panels.
>
> Or civilisation.
>
> There will be a crash program to build nuclear power within a year all
> across Europe.

Assuming Putin has not caused a number of Chernobyl style "accidents"
before then...

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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Fracking it instead would put it in UK pockets.

Well, a small fraction of all UK pockets. And perhaps not
of those struggling to pay their energy bills.

#Paul

On 04/03/2022 12:47, AnthonyL wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 14:30:20 +0000, Mike <> wrote:
>
>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>
>> Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
>> Standing Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
>> Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
>>
>
> Just got mine through (Eon-Next), no contract, manual meter
>
> Electricity
>
> Standing charge (per day) 28.327 50.534 +78%
> Unit rate - Day (per kWh) 21.400 29.100 +36%
> Unit rate - Night (per kWh) 21.400 29.100 +36%
>
> Gas
>
> Standing charge (per day) 30.783 32.031 +4%
> Unit rate (per kWh) 4.200 7.670 +83%
>
> A couple of notes:
>
> 1) I pay by credit card on receipt of bill
> 2) I have chosen to have the same night rate as day rate
>
> Looks as if I need to do a bit of shopping around and maybe adjust my
> payment methods. I am resisting smart meters.
>
>

Similar to my account with EDF,

Current prices New prices from 1 April 2022

Standing charge
(pence per day) 28.61p 47.29p

Unit rate (pence per kWh)
22.71p 31.05p

Lower daily charge but higher unit rate.

I pay online quarterly. No smart meter no contract.

Why are electricity users being clobbered again with
wholly unjustified standing charge increases ?. The fixed
infrastructure is all paid for, surely ?.

On 07/03/2022 19:52, Andrew wrote:
> On 04/03/2022 12:47, AnthonyL wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 14:30:20 +0000, Mike <> wrote:
>>
>>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>>
>>> Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
>>> Standing Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
>>> Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
>>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
>>>
>>
>> Just got mine through (Eon-Next), no contract, manual meter
>>
>> Electricity
>>
>> Standing charge (per day) 28.327 50.534 +78%
>> Unit rate - Day (per kWh) 21.400 29.100 +36%
>> Unit rate - Night (per kWh) 21.400 29.100 +36%
>>
>> Gas
>>
>> Standing charge (per day) 30.783 32.031 +4%
>> Unit rate (per kWh) 4.200 7.670 +83%
>>
>> A couple of notes:
>>
>> 1) I pay by credit card on receipt of bill
>> 2) I have chosen to have the same night rate as day rate
>>
>> Looks as if I need to do a bit of shopping around and maybe adjust my
>> payment methods. I am resisting smart meters.
>>
>>
>
> Similar to my account with EDF,
>
> Current prices New prices from 1 April 2022
>
> Standing charge
> (pence per day) 28.61p 47.29p
>
> Unit rate (pence per kWh)
> 22.71p 31.05p
>
> Lower daily charge but higher unit rate.
>
> I pay online quarterly. No smart meter no contract.
>
> Why are electricity users being clobbered again with
> wholly unjustified standing charge increases ?. The fixed
> infrastructure is all paid for, surely ?.

British Gas can get by with standing charge per day increasing from
30.783p to 32.032p.
No contribution from nuclear reactors for them , perhaps some
agricultural biogas as "green" energy.
Unit rate per KWh 4.391 up to 7.879p from April 01, is that right? seems
very low compared to electricity KWh for KWh

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On 07 Mar 2022 at 19:52:53 GMT, Andrew <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com>
wrote:

> On 04/03/2022 12:47, AnthonyL wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 14:30:20 +0000, Mike <> wrote:
>>
>>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>>
>>> Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
>>> Standing Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
>>> Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
>>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
>>>
>>
>> Just got mine through (Eon-Next), no contract, manual meter
>>
>> Electricity
>>
>> Standing charge (per day) 28.327 50.534 +78%
>> Unit rate - Day (per kWh) 21.400 29.100 +36%
>> Unit rate - Night (per kWh) 21.400 29.100 +36%
>>
>> Gas
>>
>> Standing charge (per day) 30.783 32.031 +4%
>> Unit rate (per kWh) 4.200 7.670 +83%
>>
>> A couple of notes:
>>
>> 1) I pay by credit card on receipt of bill
>> 2) I have chosen to have the same night rate as day rate
>>
>> Looks as if I need to do a bit of shopping around and maybe adjust my
>> payment methods. I am resisting smart meters.
>>
>>
>
> Similar to my account with EDF,
>
> Current prices New prices from 1 April 2022
>
> Standing charge
> (pence per day) 28.61p 47.29p
>
> Unit rate (pence per kWh)
> 22.71p 31.05p
>
> Lower daily charge but higher unit rate.
>
> I pay online quarterly. No smart meter no contract.
>
> Why are electricity users being clobbered again with
> wholly unjustified standing charge increases ?. The fixed
> infrastructure is all paid for, surely ?.

It's God's punishment for not being on a contract.

--
Lady Astor: "If you were my husband I'd give you poison."
Churchill: "If you were my wife, I'd drink it."

In message <t05nql$tid$1@gioia.aioe.org>, at 19:52:53 on Mon, 7 Mar
2022, Andrew <Andrew97d-junk@mybtinternet.com> remarked:
>On 04/03/2022 12:47, AnthonyL wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 14:30:20 +0000, Mike <> wrote:
>>
>>> Just received notification from our supplier (SSE):
>>>
>>> Current Price until 31 March 2022 New Price from 1 April 2022
>>> Standing Charge (per day) 24.11p 43.39p +80%
>>> Standard Energy (per kWh) 20.68p 28.46p +38%
>>> Offpeak Energy (per kWh) 17.58p 24.73p +41%
>>>
>> Just got mine through (Eon-Next), no contract, manual meter
>> Electricity
>> Standing charge (per day) 28.327 50.534 +78%
>> Unit rate - Day (per kWh) 21.400 29.100 +36%
>> Unit rate - Night (per kWh) 21.400 29.100 +36%
>> Gas
>>
>> Standing charge (per day) 30.783 32.031 +4%
>> Unit rate (per kWh) 4.200 7.670 +83%
>> A couple of notes:
>> 1) I pay by credit card on receipt of bill
>> 2) I have chosen to have the same night rate as day rate Looks as
>>if I need to do a bit of shopping around and maybe adjust my payment
>>methods. I am resisting smart meters.
>
>Similar to my account with EDF,
>
> Current prices New prices from 1 April 2022
>
>Standing charge
>(pence per day) 28.61p 47.29p
>
>Unit rate (pence per kWh)
> 22.71p 31.05p
>
>Lower daily charge but higher unit rate.
>
>I pay online quarterly. No smart meter no contract.
>
>Why are electricity users being clobbered again with
>wholly unjustified standing charge increases ?. The fixed
>infrastructure is all paid for, surely ?.

The standing charge isn't hypothecated to paying for the infrastructure
(despite its name) and different energy companies have significantly
different standing charges despite using [locally as well as nationally]
the same infrastructure.

It has become a way to impose a "minimum charge" to all customers, and
as such is one of the criteria when deciding which supplier to switch
to.

The regulator looks at the overall picture when setting caps, resulting
in rises in both the standing charges and the price-per therm.
--
Roland Perry