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Re: OT: Afghanistan

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 by: Clocky - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 09:45 UTC

On 19/08/2021 10:46 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 1:16 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 18/08/2021 8:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>
>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in
>>>> winning ran
>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> alvey
>>>>
>>>
>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>
>>
>> With the Russians accounting for 76% of German military deaths, I
>> suspect they might have something to say about who was most
>> instrumental in defeating the Germans.
>>
>>
>
> Hitler was most instrumental in defeating the Germans  :)
>

Absolutely, a very good point!

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 10:01 UTC

On 19/08/2021 6:46 pm, James Last plays in Miami wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:55:56 +1000, Yosemite Sam posted:-
>
>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
> Always was, always will be.
>

Biden is a fkn idiot! Trump planned to evacuate all US civilian
personnel and Afghanis who assisted, interpreters, etc., ,  before
removing the military equipment and personel. Biden has now created a
massive fkup that makes the Vietnam withdrawal look like a Sunday school
picnic!

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 10:07 UTC

On 19/08/2021 7:42 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 9:49 am, John_H wrote:
>> Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>> On 18/08/2021 8:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>>
>>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in
>>>>> winning ran
>>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> alvey
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>>
>>>
>>> With the Russians accounting for 76% of German military deaths, I
>>> suspect they might have something to say about who was most
>>> instrumental
>>> in defeating the Germans.
>>>
>>
>> The Russians incurred around twice the number of military deaths in
>> that particular conflict as did the Germans.  Hence, by you logic, the
>> Germans won that one!
>>
>
> Except the Germans lost. The Russians were most wasteful and reckless
> as suffered massive losses but the fact that they accounted for 76% of
> German military deaths had a huge impact on the outcome of the war.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Zhukov had little regard for the number of casualties in pursuit of victory

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"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 10:14 UTC

On 19/08/2021 8:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 6:46 pm, James Last plays in Miami wrote:
>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:55:56 +1000, Yosemite Sam posted:-
>>
>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>> Always was, always will be.
>>
>
> Biden is a fkn idiot! Trump planned to evacuate all US civilian
> personnel and Afghanis who assisted, interpreters, etc., ,  before
> removing the military equipment and personel. Biden has now created a
> massive fkup that makes the Vietnam withdrawal look like a Sunday
> school picnic!
>
>

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2021/08/17/the-taliban-has-access-to-us-military-aircraft-now-what-happens/

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

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 by: keithr0 - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 11:59 UTC

On 19/08/2021 6:21 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 13:21:48 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>
>> On 19/08/2021 11:10 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 19/08/2021 6:00 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 19/08/2021 1:16 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 18/08/2021 8:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in
>>>>>>> winning ran
>>>>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> alvey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With the Russians accounting for 76% of German military deaths, I
>>>>> suspect they might have something to say about who was most
>>>>> instrumental in defeating the Germans.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I know that english is your second language, but you do need to learn
>>>> the difference between *A* decisive role as the Americans played in
>>>> the war against Germany, and *THE* decisive role as the Americans
>>>> played in the war against Japan.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't need lessons from someone who misquotes.
>>
>> 100% pure cop out
>>
>>>> Alvey said *A* decisive role, so he is wrong on both counts.
>>>
>>> Comprehension goes beyond just words. I knew what he meant :-)
>>
>> You agreed with him because that's what you do.
>
> Careful there Keith.
> People who live near Glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.

So who do I slavishly agree with? Do tell.

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 by: keithr0 - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 12:01 UTC

On 19/08/2021 2:20 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 1:22 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 12:46 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> Hitler was most instrumental in defeating the Germans  :)
>>>
>> Quite true,
>
> To a degree, but it wasn't just him. The German general staff have to
> wear a lot of the blame.
>
> I mean, have a look at Normandy. The Allies were able to get a decent
> foothold on the beaches because Hitler was asleep, and everyone was too
> scared to wake him up and ask for permission for a counter attack :)
>
>
One good thing about Hitler, he was the man who killed Hitler.

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 by: keithr0 - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 12:05 UTC

On 19/08/2021 8:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 8:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 6:46 pm, James Last plays in Miami wrote:
>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:55:56 +1000, Yosemite Sam posted:-
>>>
>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>> Always was, always will be.
>>>
>>
>> Biden is a fkn idiot! Trump planned to evacuate all US civilian
>> personnel and Afghanis who assisted, interpreters, etc., ,  before
>> removing the military equipment and personel. Biden has now created a
>> massive fkup that makes the Vietnam withdrawal look like a Sunday
>> school picnic!
>>
>>
>
> https://www.defensenews.com/air/2021/08/17/the-taliban-has-access-to-us-military-aircraft-now-what-happens/

How many Taliban do you reckon will kill themselves trying to fly them?
Or will they swap them to get the 12 billion odd dollars of Afghan funds
that the US is holding?

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 by: Noddy - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 12:46 UTC

On 19/08/2021 10:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 8:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 8:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 19/08/2021 6:46 pm, James Last plays in Miami wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:55:56 +1000, Yosemite Sam posted:-
>>>>
>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>> Always was, always will be.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Biden is a fkn idiot! Trump planned to evacuate all US civilian
>>> personnel and Afghanis who assisted, interpreters, etc., ,  before
>>> removing the military equipment and personel. Biden has now created a
>>> massive fkup that makes the Vietnam withdrawal look like a Sunday
>>> school picnic!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> https://www.defensenews.com/air/2021/08/17/the-taliban-has-access-to-us-military-aircraft-now-what-happens/
>
>
> How many Taliban do you reckon will kill themselves trying to fly them?

All of them :)

> Or will they swap them to get the 12 billion odd dollars of Afghan funds
> that the US is holding?

I don't think they give a fuck to be honest. They earn plenty of money
in the black market/drug trade.

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 by: Noddy - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 12:48 UTC

On 19/08/2021 10:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 2:20 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 1:22 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 19/08/2021 12:46 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>>> Hitler was most instrumental in defeating the Germans  :)
>>>>
>>> Quite true,
>>
>> To a degree, but it wasn't just him. The German general staff have to
>> wear a lot of the blame.
>>
>> I mean, have a look at Normandy. The Allies were able to get a decent
>> foothold on the beaches because Hitler was asleep, and everyone was
>> too scared to wake him up and ask for permission for a counter attack :)
>>
>>
> One good thing about Hitler, he was the man who killed Hitler.

He certainly was, but not soon enough sadly.

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 by: Clocky - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 13:20 UTC

On 19/08/2021 6:07 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 7:42 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 9:49 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Clocky wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 18/08/2021 8:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in
>>>>>> winning ran
>>>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> alvey
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With the Russians accounting for 76% of German military deaths, I
>>>> suspect they might have something to say about who was most
>>>> instrumental
>>>> in defeating the Germans.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The Russians incurred around twice the number of military deaths in
>>> that particular conflict as did the Germans.  Hence, by you logic, the
>>> Germans won that one!
>>>
>>
>> Except the Germans lost. The Russians were most wasteful and reckless
>> as suffered massive losses but the fact that they accounted for 76% of
>> German military deaths had a huge impact on the outcome of the war.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Zhukov had little regard for the number of casualties in pursuit of victory
>
>

Yep, he didn't give a fuck basically.

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 by: Clocky - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 14:01 UTC

On 19/08/2021 12:20 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 1:22 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 12:46 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> Hitler was most instrumental in defeating the Germans  :)
>>>
>> Quite true,
>
> To a degree, but it wasn't just him. The German general staff have to
> wear a lot of the blame.
>
At the end of the day Hitler was in charge.

> I mean, have a look at Normandy. The Allies were able to get a decent
> foothold on the beaches because Hitler was asleep, and everyone was too
> scared to wake him up and ask for permission for a counter attack :)
>
>

How do you know, were you there?

By accounts when Hitler woke up he wasn't in the least bit phased by the
news, apparently he was quite excited.

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 by: Clocky - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 14:17 UTC

On 19/08/2021 4:21 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 13:21:48 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>
>> On 19/08/2021 11:10 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 19/08/2021 6:00 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 19/08/2021 1:16 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 18/08/2021 8:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in
>>>>>>> winning ran
>>>>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> alvey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With the Russians accounting for 76% of German military deaths, I
>>>>> suspect they might have something to say about who was most
>>>>> instrumental in defeating the Germans.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I know that english is your second language, but you do need to learn
>>>> the difference between *A* decisive role as the Americans played in
>>>> the war against Germany, and *THE* decisive role as the Americans
>>>> played in the war against Japan.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't need lessons from someone who misquotes.
>>
>> 100% pure cop out
>>
>>>> Alvey said *A* decisive role, so he is wrong on both counts.
>>>
>>> Comprehension goes beyond just words. I knew what he meant :-)
>>
>> You agreed with him because that's what you do.
>
> Careful there Keith.
> People who live near Glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.
>
>

Especially when they have glass jaw as well :-)

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 15:18 UTC

On 19/08/2021 11:20 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 6:07 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 7:42 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 19/08/2021 9:49 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> Clocky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 18/08/2021 8:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in
>>>>>>> winning ran
>>>>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> alvey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With the Russians accounting for 76% of German military deaths, I
>>>>> suspect they might have something to say about who was most
>>>>> instrumental
>>>>> in defeating the Germans.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The Russians incurred around twice the number of military deaths in
>>>> that particular conflict as did the Germans.  Hence, by you logic, the
>>>> Germans won that one!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Except the Germans lost. The Russians were most wasteful and
>>> reckless as suffered massive losses but the fact that they accounted
>>> for 76% of German military deaths had a huge impact on the outcome
>>> of the war.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Zhukov had little regard for the number of casualties in pursuit of
>> victory
>>
>>
>
>
> Yep, he didn't give a fuck basically.

that's putting it another way  :)

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 15:18 UTC

On 20/08/2021 12:01 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 12:20 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 1:22 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 19/08/2021 12:46 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>>> Hitler was most instrumental in defeating the Germans  :)
>>>>
>>> Quite true,
>>
>> To a degree, but it wasn't just him. The German general staff have to
>> wear a lot of the blame.
>>
> At the end of the day Hitler was in charge.
>
>> I mean, have a look at Normandy. The Allies were able to get a decent
>> foothold on the beaches because Hitler was asleep, and everyone was
>> too scared to wake him up and ask for permission for a counter attack :)
>>
>>
>
>
> How do you know, were you there?
>
> By accounts when Hitler woke up he wasn't in the least bit phased by
> the news, apparently he was quite excited.
>
>
>

yes,  because he expected victory

--
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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 15:20 UTC

On 19/08/2021 10:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 10:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 2:20 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 19/08/2021 1:22 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 19/08/2021 12:46 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Hitler was most instrumental in defeating the Germans  :)
>>>>>
>>>> Quite true,
>>>
>>> To a degree, but it wasn't just him. The German general staff have
>>> to wear a lot of the blame.
>>>
>>> I mean, have a look at Normandy. The Allies were able to get a
>>> decent foothold on the beaches because Hitler was asleep, and
>>> everyone was too scared to wake him up and ask for permission for a
>>> counter attack :)
>>>
>>>
>> One good thing about Hitler, he was the man who killed Hitler.
>
> He certainly was, but not soon enough sadly.
>

not really, the allies didn't want Hitler killed. he was contributing
too much to the allied war effort.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 15:21 UTC

On 19/08/2021 10:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 8:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 8:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 19/08/2021 6:46 pm, James Last plays in Miami wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:55:56 +1000, Yosemite Sam posted:-
>>>>
>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again. :(
>>>> Always was, always will be.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Biden is a fkn idiot! Trump planned to evacuate all US civilian
>>> personnel and Afghanis who assisted, interpreters, etc., ,  before
>>> removing the military equipment and personel. Biden has now created
>>> a massive fkup that makes the Vietnam withdrawal look like a Sunday
>>> school picnic!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> https://www.defensenews.com/air/2021/08/17/the-taliban-has-access-to-us-military-aircraft-now-what-happens/
>
>
> How many Taliban do you reckon will kill themselves trying to fly
> them? Or will they swap them to get the 12 billion odd dollars of
> Afghan funds that the US is holding?

no idea, but I'm sure Nth Korea, China, and Russia will be taking a good
look at them

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

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 by: Peter Jason - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 21:24 UTC

On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:55:56 +1000, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
wrote:

>
>the shithole is a shithole again.  :(

https://www.google.com/search?as_st=y&tbm=isch&as_q=&as_epq=Xi+Jinping+in+Kabul&as_oq=&as_eq=&imgsz=&imgar=&imgc=&imgcolor=&imgtype=&cr=&as_sitesearch=&safe=images&as_filetype=&tbs=

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 by: alvey - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 22:06 UTC

On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 21:59:43 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

> On 19/08/2021 6:21 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 13:21:48 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/08/2021 11:10 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 19/08/2021 6:00 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 19/08/2021 1:16 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/08/2021 8:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in
>>>>>>>> winning ran
>>>>>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> alvey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With the Russians accounting for 76% of German military deaths, I
>>>>>> suspect they might have something to say about who was most
>>>>>> instrumental in defeating the Germans.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I know that english is your second language, but you do need to learn
>>>>> the difference between *A* decisive role as the Americans played in
>>>>> the war against Germany, and *THE* decisive role as the Americans
>>>>> played in the war against Japan.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't need lessons from someone who misquotes.
>>>
>>> 100% pure cop out
>>>
>>>>> Alvey said *A* decisive role, so he is wrong on both counts.
>>>>
>>>> Comprehension goes beyond just words. I knew what he meant :-)
>>>
>>> You agreed with him because that's what you do.
>>
>> Careful there Keith.
>> People who live near Glasshouses shouldn't throw stones.
>
> So who do I slavishly agree with? Do tell.

Lol!

One of the problems with being a micro pedant keith is that you leave
yourself open to revenge attacks, which then leads to all out war. These
serve no purpose.

See, the original 'quote' by Jesus at the stoning was (paraphrased), "let
he who is without sin cast the first stone". It was *not*, "let he who
hasn't committed adultery cast the first stone".

So you "slavishly agreeing" with anyone was *not* the sin(s) I was
suggesting. You got it wrong.

hth

alvey

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 by: keithr0 - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 22:23 UTC

On 20/08/2021 1:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 19/08/2021 10:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 19/08/2021 8:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 19/08/2021 8:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 19/08/2021 6:46 pm, James Last plays in Miami wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 14:55:56 +1000, Yosemite Sam posted:-
>>>>>
>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again. :(
>>>>> Always was, always will be.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Biden is a fkn idiot! Trump planned to evacuate all US civilian
>>>> personnel and Afghanis who assisted, interpreters, etc., ,  before
>>>> removing the military equipment and personel. Biden has now created
>>>> a massive fkup that makes the Vietnam withdrawal look like a Sunday
>>>> school picnic!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.defensenews.com/air/2021/08/17/the-taliban-has-access-to-us-military-aircraft-now-what-happens/
>>
>>
>>
>> How many Taliban do you reckon will kill themselves trying to fly
>> them? Or will they swap them to get the 12 billion odd dollars of
>> Afghan funds that the US is holding?
>
>
> no idea, but I'm sure Nth Korea, China, and Russia will be taking a good
> look at them
>
If you take the trouble to look what aircraft they are, it's very
doubtful that they would be interested. Clue - they aren't state of the
art jets.

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 by: Noddy - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 23:13 UTC

On 20/08/2021 8:23 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 20/08/2021 1:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>>> How many Taliban do you reckon will kill themselves trying to fly
>>> them? Or will they swap them to get the 12 billion odd dollars of
>>> Afghan funds that the US is holding?
>>
>>
>> no idea, but I'm sure Nth Korea, China, and Russia will be taking a
>> good look at them
>>
> If you take the trouble to look what aircraft they are, it's very
> doubtful that they would be interested. Clue - they aren't state of the
> art jets.

Yep. There is nothing that's been seized by the Taliban that has any
cutting edge technology that will interest foreign governments.

Felix has absolutely no idea what he's talking about, but then that's
nothing new....

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

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 by: Xeno - Thu, 19 Aug 2021 23:49 UTC

On 20/8/21 9:13 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 20/08/2021 8:23 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 20/08/2021 1:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>>> How many Taliban do you reckon will kill themselves trying to fly
>>>> them? Or will they swap them to get the 12 billion odd dollars of
>>>> Afghan funds that the US is holding?
>>>
>>>
>>> no idea, but I'm sure Nth Korea, China, and Russia will be taking a
>>> good look at them
>>>
>> If you take the trouble to look what aircraft they are, it's very
>> doubtful that they would be interested. Clue - they aren't state of
>> the art jets.
>
> Yep. There is nothing that's been seized by the Taliban that has any
> cutting edge technology that will interest foreign governments.

What would you know, Googlemeister?
>
> Felix has absolutely no idea what he's talking about, but then that's
> nothing new....
>
That would be you when talking about in depth automotive stuff. All you
can do is parrot stuff you get from Google as if it is your own.

--

Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Clocky - Sun, 22 Aug 2021 13:09 UTC

On 19/08/2021 8:29 am, alvey wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Aug 2021 00:19:55 +1000, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 18/08/2021 10:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 18/08/2021 5:57 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 18 Aug 2021 13:13:02 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 18/08/2021 12:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the shithole is a shithole again.  :(
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Another war the Americans have lost...
>>>>
>>>> The last serious war that Americans played a decisive role in winning ran
>>>> from 1861 - 1865.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> alvey
>>>>
>>>
>>> The Germans and the Japanese may argue with that.
>>
>> ROTFL :) I expect they might indeed :)
>
> Hmmmm. Military history from a fool who falsely claimed that his father
> "fought in Korea". Pass.
>>
>> Seriously, Alvey couldn't be any more of an ignorant pissant fuckwit if
>> he wanted to be :)
>
> "Seriously"? Look Darren, it is *fact*, not opinion that you are a
> monstrous liar, hypocrite and offensive little sociopath. That you expect
> anyone even half normal to take *anything* you say "seriously" is just
> another indication of how very distant you are from reality.
>
>
>
> alvey
>

Indeed.

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The RAAF and RNZAF have taken off again, en-route to Kabul. RNZAF C130
Hercules ALBO5 has just landed in Kabul, RAAF C-130 Hercules MAMBO30 is
about 1 hour 30 mins behind. Lots of USAF C-17 Globemasters in the air,
and on the ground. Been the most busy day at Kabul so far. Just heard on
7 news that the US has done some sort of deal to allow more people
access to the airport. God speed to all.

https://imgur.com/a/NBNMECD

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From: kill.fil...@such.as.Ordog.com (James Last plays in Miami)
Newsgroups: aus.cars
Subject: Re: OT: Afghanistan
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2021 09:21:46 -0000
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 by: James Last plays in - Mon, 23 Aug 2021 09:21 UTC

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 18:46:32 +1000, lindsay posted:-

> The RAAF and RNZAF have taken off again, en-route to Kabul. RNZAF
> C130 Hercules ALBO5 has just landed in Kabul, RAAF C-130 Hercules
> MAMBO30 is about 1 hour 30 mins behind. Lots of USAF C-17
> Globemasters in the air, and on the ground. Been the most busy day at
> Kabul so far. Just heard on 7 news that the US has done some sort of
> deal to allow more people access to the airport. God speed to all.
>
> https://imgur.com/a/NBNMECD

Why not also post in aus.aviation? People there probably more
receptive to this sort of news.

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 by: lindsay - Mon, 23 Aug 2021 09:38 UTC

On 23/08/2021 7:21 pm, James Last plays in Miami wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 18:46:32 +1000, lindsay posted:-
>
>> The RAAF and RNZAF have taken off again, en-route to Kabul. RNZAF
>> C130 Hercules ALBO5 has just landed in Kabul, RAAF C-130 Hercules
>> MAMBO30 is about 1 hour 30 mins behind. Lots of USAF C-17
>> Globemasters in the air, and on the ground. Been the most busy day at
>> Kabul so far. Just heard on 7 news that the US has done some sort of
>> deal to allow more people access to the airport. God speed to all.
>>
>> https://imgur.com/a/NBNMECD
>
> Why not also post in aus.aviation? People there probably more
> receptive to this sort of news.

Not a fan of crossposting.... I'm on a new pc, and need to add
aus.avaition, and several other groups, when i get around to it..
Most of the sensible people who read aus.avaition would be looking at
the issue anyway... the wannabe's will make themslves known shortly.

Oh, and RNZAF's "ALBO5" was on the ground at Kabul for maybe 20
minutes... already 1/3 the way home, wherever that is...

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