On 21/04/2022 02:22 pm, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <jcbq6tFedjU4@mid.individual.net>,
> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>> On 20/04/2022 03:56 pm, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from the end
>>> (T-junction)
>>>
>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a cat.
>>> All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>
>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
>>> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
>>> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
>>> and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>
>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
>>> passenger in the Merc.
>>>
>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently sober.
>>>
>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>
>> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners' driveways,
>> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)
>
> You'd have to re-design this part of London, then. Built before cars.

But the road is the bit that belongs to the public at large... yes?

JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote

>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from
>>>> the end
>>>> (T-junction)
>>>>
>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
>>>> cat.
>>>> All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>
>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke
>>>> off
>>>> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing
>>>> the
>>>> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a
>>>> 911
>>>> and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>
>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver
>>>> or
>>>> passenger in the Merc.
>>>>
>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>>> sober.
>>>>
>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>
>>> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners' driveways,
>>> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)
>> You'd have to re-design this part of London, then. Built before cars.
>
> But the road is the bit that belongs to the public at large... yes?

Irrelevant to whether it is possible to have driveways there now.

They don't even have front yards, the front door is directly off the
footpath.

On 21/04/2022 13:58, Andrew wrote:
> On 21/04/2022 10:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 20/04/2022 16:32, R D S wrote:
>>> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>>
>>> My son has written off two cars, he had to crawl out of one while it
>>> was upside down after a brief period of unconsciousness.
>>>
>>> "It's a good job I wasn't speeding", they must think folk are thick.
>>
>> I have altogether written off two cars. In both cases at less than 30mph
>>
>>
>>
>
> If the car is only worth scrap anyway (but road legal and safe) that
> is quite easy to do.
>
> Any impact at more than 5mph with an immovable object will do
> expensive damage. Fixing a scratch these days is about £250

My wife's car was written off a few weeks ago. A builder working across
the road parked too close to it and a truck squeezing by caught the bumper.

The car was valued at £1580 (it's 17 years old) and the only damage was
two (replaceable) plastic clips broken out, foglight bulb-holder lugs
snapped and plastic bumper slightly damaged.

We got the £1580 and they gave us the car back for nothing. It cost me
£150 for a bumper (with foglight) from a scrapyard, some paint and a
pack of clips.

I could have bought it all brand new and painted the right colour for
£300 and it takes about 15 minutes to fit!

On 21/04/2022 08:29 pm, Rod Speed wrote:

> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>
>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from
>>>>> the end (T-junction)
>>>>>
>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid
>>>>> a cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>>
>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke
>>>>> off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it
>>>>> pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf
>>>>> in turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to
>>>>> driver or passenger in the Merc.
>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>>>> sober.
>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>
>>>> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners' driveways,
>>>> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)

>>>  You'd have to re-design this part of London, then. Built before cars.
>
>> But the road is the bit that belongs to the public at large... yes?
>
> Irrelevant to whether it is possible to have driveways there now.

Probably true.

> They don't even have front yards, the front door is directly off the
> footpath.

I am... er... familiar with that housing type.

I've seen it a few times before.

JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>
>>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from
>>>>>> the end (T-junction)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid
>>>>>> a cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke
>>>>>> off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it
>>>>>> pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf
>>>>>> in turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to
>>>>>> driver or passenger in the Merc.
>>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>>>>> sober.
>>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>
>>>>> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners' driveways,
>>>>> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)
>
>>>> You'd have to re-design this part of London, then. Built before cars.
>>
>>> But the road is the bit that belongs to the public at large... yes?
>> Irrelevant to whether it is possible to have driveways there now.
>
> Probably true.
>
>> They don't even have front yards, the front door is directly off the
>> footpath.
>
> I am... er... familiar with that housing type.
>
> I've seen it a few times before.

So it was silly to rabbit on about how it wouldn't
have happened if they had been parked in driveways.

On 22/04/2022 12:25 am, Rod Speed wrote:
> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>
>>>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on
>>>>>>> from the end (T-junction)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to
>>>>>>> avoid a cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and
>>>>>>> broke off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf
>>>>>>> behind it
>>>>>>> pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf
>>>>>>> in turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to
>>>>>>> driver or passenger in the Merc.
>>>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver
>>>>>>> apparently sober.
>>>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>
>>>>>> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners' driveways,
>>>>>> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)
>>
>>>>>  You'd have to re-design this part of London, then. Built before cars.
>>>
>>>> But the road is the bit that belongs to the public at large... yes?
>>>  Irrelevant to whether it is possible to have driveways there now.
>>
>> Probably true.
>>
>>> They don't even have front yards, the front door is directly off the
>>> footpath.
>>
>> I am... er... familiar with that housing type.
>>
>> I've seen it a few times before.
>
> So it was silly to rabbit on about how it wouldn't
> have happened if they had been parked in driveways.

Why?

I have never seen the street in question and had no information on the
housing form.

In the case of terraced housing and even other forms, such as flats and
even semi-detached, parking on-street is not always allowed (some such
housing has double yellow lines outside).

There is no prescriptive right to park outside and there is a school of
thought to the effect that all vehicles should be garaged off street at
the home of the owner and/or user, with street parking only allowed at
the far end of any journey.

In message <op.1kzprxdgbyq249@pvr2>, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
writes
>JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>
>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from
>>>>>the end
>>>>> (T-junction)
>>>>>
>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid
>>>>>a cat.
>>>>> All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>>
>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and
>>>>>broke off
>>>>> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it
>>>>>pushing the
>>>>> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit
>>>>>a 911
>>>>> and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>>
>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to
>>>>>driver or
>>>>> passenger in the Merc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>>>>sober.
>>>>>
>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>
>>>> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners' driveways,
>>>> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)
>>> You'd have to re-design this part of London, then. Built before cars.
>>
>> But the road is the bit that belongs to the public at large... yes?
>
>Irrelevant to whether it is possible to have driveways there now.
>
>They don't even have front yards, the front door is directly off the
>footpath.

On Youtube there are videos of vehicles overturning virtually at walking
pace, when they've (for example) simply mounted the kerb at an
unfortunate angle.
--
Ian

In article <jcdnfqFbr47U3@mid.individual.net>,
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> > You'd have to re-design this part of London, then. Built before cars.

> But the road is the bit that belongs to the public at large... yes?

Didn't realise you were one of the anti-car lobby. A Green, eh?

But the road belonging to the public at large explains a good deal too. So
I'd guess you are a cyclist or have one of those electric scooters? Or
anything else that uses it without paying?

BTW, every single parked car which was hit had paid for resident parking.
Perhaps you'd tell our council that the roads belong to all, and can be
used freely?

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In article <jce6a5Fehu0U2@mid.individual.net>,
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> > Irrelevant to whether it is possible to have driveways there now.

> Probably true.

> > They don't even have front yards, the front door is directly off the
> > footpath.

Best not to believe Wodney. No properties where the house is built on the
edge of the pavement round here. He probably gets his views of England
from Coronation Street.

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In article <jcfketFmr6uU2@mid.individual.net>,
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> There is no prescriptive right to park outside and there is a school of
> thought to the effect that all vehicles should be garaged off street at
> the home of the owner and/or user, with street parking only allowed at
> the far end of any journey.

That is your school of thought, then? But being you, you'd qualify it so
as not to be inconvenienced by it (allowed at the far end of a journey)
Are you actually Rees-Mogg in drag?

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On 22/04/2022 14:39, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <jce6a5Fehu0U2@mid.individual.net>,
> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>> Irrelevant to whether it is possible to have driveways there now.
>
>> Probably true.
>
>>> They don't even have front yards, the front door is directly off the
>>> footpath.
>
> Best not to believe Wodney. No properties where the house is built on the
> edge of the pavement round here. He probably gets his views of England
> from Coronation Street.

UK d-i-y not England d-i-y

Just because he generalises does NOT mean nowhere has what he invisages.

There's bound to be a word that means not everything in your experience
is how it is everywhere
>

On 22/04/2022 14:36, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> BTW, every single parked car which was hit had paid for resident parking.

And how would that be ?
Remember no taxes/excise duties are hypothecated in the UK
>

"soup" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
news:t3uh5e$cie$2@dont-email.me...
> On 22/04/2022 14:36, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
>> BTW, every single parked car which was hit had paid for resident parking.
>
>
> And how would that be ?
> Remember no taxes/excise duties are hypothecated in the UK

There are streets where parking is time-limited for the general public and
unlimited (eg overnight) for residents - who have to pay for a resident's
pass to park overnight. Could that be the situation for this thread?

On 22/04/2022 16:25, NY wrote:
> "soup" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:t3uh5e$cie$2@dont-email.me...
>> On 22/04/2022 14:36, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>
>>> BTW, every single parked car which was hit had paid for resident
>>> parking.
>>
>>
>> And how would that be ?
>> Remember no taxes/excise duties are hypothecated in the UK
>
> There are streets where parking is time-limited for the general public
> and unlimited (eg overnight) for residents - who have to pay for a
> resident's pass to park overnight. Could that be the situation for this
> thread?

Right. Hadn't even thought of that.
That's what I get for reading without understanding

I dislike situations where the bay is marked 'permit holders only' where
the paint has worn so much that you don't know the bay is 'permit
holders only' until you pull into it, then you notice and have to go
elsewhere

In article <t3uhdr$fsl$1@dont-email.me>,
NY <me@privacy.invalid> wrote:
> "soup" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote in message
> news:t3uh5e$cie$2@dont-email.me...
> > On 22/04/2022 14:36, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> >
> >> BTW, every single parked car which was hit had paid for resident parking.
> >
> >
> > And how would that be ?
> > Remember no taxes/excise duties are hypothecated in the UK

> There are streets where parking is time-limited for the general public and
> unlimited (eg overnight) for residents - who have to pay for a resident's
> pass to park overnight. Could that be the situation for this thread?

In much of London, the other way round. A resident parking permit allows
you to park during the day. Free for all evenings and weekends. But does
vary place to place.

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JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on
>>>>>>>> from the end (T-junction)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to
>>>>>>>> avoid a cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and
>>>>>>>> broke off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf
>>>>>>>> behind it
>>>>>>>> pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf
>>>>>>>> in turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to
>>>>>>>> driver or passenger in the Merc.
>>>>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver
>>>>>>>> apparently sober.
>>>>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>>
>>>>>>> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners'
>>>>>>> driveways,
>>>>>>> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)
>>>
>>>>>> You'd have to re-design this part of London, then. Built before
>>>>>> cars.
>>>>
>>>>> But the road is the bit that belongs to the public at large... yes?
>>>> Irrelevant to whether it is possible to have driveways there now.
>>>
>>> Probably true.
>>>
>>>> They don't even have front yards, the front door is directly off the
>>>> footpath.
>>>
>>> I am... er... familiar with that housing type.
>>>
>>> I've seen it a few times before.

>> So it was silly to rabbit on about how it wouldn't
>> have happened if they had been parked in driveways.

> Why?

Because there is no way to have a driveway with those
Victorian multi story strips of houses with not even a front
yard where the front door opens directly onto the footpath.

> I have never seen the street in question and had no information on the
> housing form.
>
> In the case of terraced housing and even other forms, such as flats and
> even semi-detached, parking on-street is not always allowed (some such
> housing has double yellow lines outside).
>
> There is no prescriptive right to park outside and there is a school of
> thought to the effect that all vehicles should be garaged off street at
> the home of the owner and/or user, with street parking only allowed at
> the far end of any journey.

All irrelevant to the fact that with victorian terraces, there is no way
to have a driveway,

Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote

>>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from
>>>>>> the end
>>>>>> (T-junction)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid
>>>>>> a cat.
>>>>>> All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and
>>>>>> broke off
>>>>>> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it
>>>>>> pushing the
>>>>>> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit
>>>>>> a 911
>>>>>> and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to
>>>>>> driver or
>>>>>> passenger in the Merc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>>>>> sober.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>>
>>>>> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners' driveways,
>>>>> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)
>>>> You'd have to re-design this part of London, then. Built before cars.
>>>
>>> But the road is the bit that belongs to the public at large... yes?
>>
>> Irrelevant to whether it is possible to have driveways there now.
>>
>> They don't even have front yards, the front door is directly off the
>> footpath.
>
> On Youtube there are videos of vehicles overturning virtually at walking
> pace, when they've (for example) simply mounted the kerb at an
> unfortunate angle.

I find that hard to believe, got some links ?

On Fri, 22 Apr 2022 23:39:22 +1000, Dave Plowman (News)
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <jce6a5Fehu0U2@mid.individual.net>,
> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>> > Irrelevant to whether it is possible to have driveways there now.
>
>> Probably true.
>
>> > They don't even have front yards, the front door is directly off the
>> > footpath.
>
> Best not to believe Wodney. No properties where the house is built on the
> edge of the pavement round here. He probably gets his views of England
> from Coronation Street.

Nope, never watched it. I get the detail from google street view and
various docos.

On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from the end
> (T-junction)
>
> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a cat.
> All other vehicles involved parked.
>
> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
> and pushed that into the car behind.
>
> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
> passenger in the Merc.
>
> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently sober.
>
> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>

My SiL wrote her car and a parked car off on the way to a speed
awareness course. My brother who is a mechanic said the only thing
stopping the parked car's wheel from rolling away was the handbrake cable.

She says she was only doing 20MPH.

On 22/04/2022 00:05, Steve Walker wrote:
> On 21/04/2022 13:58, Andrew wrote:
>> On 21/04/2022 10:03, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 20/04/2022 16:32, R D S wrote:
>>>> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>>>
>>>> My son has written off two cars, he had to crawl out of one while it
>>>> was upside down after a brief period of unconsciousness.
>>>>
>>>> "It's a good job I wasn't speeding", they must think folk are thick.
>>>
>>> I have altogether written off two cars. In both cases at less than 30mph
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If the car is only worth scrap anyway (but road legal and safe) that
>> is quite easy to do.
>>
>> Any impact at more than 5mph with an immovable object will do
>> expensive damage. Fixing a scratch these days is about £250
>
> My wife's car was written off a few weeks ago. A builder working across
> the road parked too close to it and a truck squeezing by caught the bumper.
>
> The car was valued at £1580 (it's 17 years old) and the only damage was
> two (replaceable) plastic clips broken out, foglight bulb-holder lugs
> snapped and plastic bumper slightly damaged.
>
> We got the £1580 and they gave us the car back for nothing. It cost me
> £150 for a bumper (with foglight) from a scrapyard, some paint and a
> pack of clips.
>
> I could have bought it all brand new and painted the right colour for
> £300 and it takes about 15 minutes to fit!

A neighbours old parked up Vetra was hit by a bus a few years ago.

All it needed was a new front passenger door. The car was written off
and the bus company said "Your car is drivable and safe, it's worth
£1200 and we will give you £1200 and let you keep your car"

New door in matching colours from the scrap yard £70. Took a couple of
hours to swap as the new door did not include trim or glass.

A week later the same bus driver hit the Vetra again and wrote it off
for a second time.

In article <t40enp$kbn$1@dont-email.me>,
ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from the end
> > (T-junction)
> >
> > A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
> > cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
> >
> > It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke
> > off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it
> > pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in
> > turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
> >
> > At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
> > side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver
> > or passenger in the Merc.
> >
> > Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
> > sober.
> >
> > Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
> >

> My SiL wrote her car and a parked car off on the way to a speed
> awareness course. My brother who is a mechanic said the only thing
> stopping the parked car's wheel from rolling away was the handbrake
> cable.

> She says she was only doing 20MPH.

I can imagine hitting one car at 20 mph. This was effectively 4.

The natural reaction when you see an accident about to happen is to stand
on the brakes. At 20mph, on a decent surface, the car should stop in
little more than one car's length. Far less when hitting a stationary
object.

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On 22/04/2022 04:25 pm, NY wrote:

> "soup" <invalid@invalid.com> wrote:
>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
>>> BTW, every single parked car which was hit had paid for resident
>>> parking.
>
>> And how would that be ?
>> Remember no taxes/excise duties are hypothecated in the UK
>
> There are streets where parking is time-limited for the general public
> and unlimited (eg overnight) for residents - who have to pay for a
> resident's pass to park overnight. Could that be the situation for this
> thread?

I'm inclined to agree with Mr Plowman to the extent that "I have paid
for resident parking" is how many people would put having paid money for
a resident's parking permit". It might have been slightly better to
point out that it was the owners or keepers who had done the paying, but
that's a small point.

The bigger point is that the road is not privately owned by the
residents and it has functions other than merely to provide for their
garaging needs.

On 22/04/2022 07:47 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on
>>>>>>>>> from the end (T-junction)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to
>>>>>>>>> avoid a cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and
>>>>>>>>> broke off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf
>>>>>>>>> behind it
>>>>>>>>> pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf
>>>>>>>>> in turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on
>>>>>>>>> the other
>>>>>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to
>>>>>>>>> driver or passenger in the Merc.
>>>>>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver
>>>>>>>>> apparently sober.
>>>>>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners'
>>>>>>>> driveways,
>>>>>>>> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>>>>  You'd have to re-design this part of London, then. Built before
>>>>>>> cars.
>>>>>
>>>>>> But the road is the bit that belongs to the public at large... yes?
>>>>>  Irrelevant to whether it is possible to have driveways there now.
>>>>
>>>> Probably true.
>>>>
>>>>> They don't even have front yards, the front door is directly off
>>>>> the footpath.
>>>>
>>>> I am... er... familiar with that housing type.
>>>>
>>>> I've seen it a few times before.
>
>>>  So it was silly to rabbit on about how it wouldn't
>>> have happened if they had been parked in driveways.
>
>> Why?
>
> Because there is no way to have a driveway with those
> Victorian multi story strips of houses with not even a front
> yard where the front door opens directly onto the footpath.
>
>> I have never seen the street in question and had no information on the
>> housing form.
>>
>> In the case of terraced housing and even other forms, such as flats
>> and even semi-detached, parking on-street is not always allowed (some
>> such housing has double yellow lines outside).
>>
>> There is no prescriptive right to park outside and there is a school
>> of thought to the effect that all vehicles should be garaged off
>> street at the home of the owner and/or user, with street parking only
>> allowed at the far end of any journey.
>
> All irrelevant to the fact that with victorian terraces, there is no way
> to have a driveway,

In that case, no way to keep a motor vehicle, except at the expense of
others.

On 23/04/2022 12:43 pm, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <t40enp$kbn$1@dont-email.me>,
> ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from the end
>>> (T-junction)
>>>
>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
>>> cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>
>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke
>>> off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it
>>> pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in
>>> turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>
>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver
>>> or passenger in the Merc.
>>>
>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>> sober.
>>>
>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>
>
>> My SiL wrote her car and a parked car off on the way to a speed
>> awareness course. My brother who is a mechanic said the only thing
>> stopping the parked car's wheel from rolling away was the handbrake
>> cable.
>
>> She says she was only doing 20MPH.
>
> I can imagine hitting one car at 20 mph. This was effectively 4.
>
> The natural reaction when you see an accident about to happen is to stand
> on the brakes. At 20mph, on a decent surface, the car should stop in
> little more than one car's length. Far less when hitting a stationary
> object.

There have been reported cases of drivers hitting the accelerator pedal
rather than the brake in the panic of such incidents. It might be easier
to do in an automatic than a manual.

On Sat, 23 Apr 2022 21:43:13 +1000, Dave Plowman (News)
<dave@davenoise.co.uk> wrote:

> In article <t40enp$kbn$1@dont-email.me>,
> ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> > There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from
>> the end
>> > (T-junction)
>> >
>> > A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
>> > cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
>> >
>> > It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke
>> > off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it
>> > pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in
>> > turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
>> >
>> > At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>> > side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver
>> > or passenger in the Merc.
>> >
>> > Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>> > sober.
>> >
>> > Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>> >
>
>> My SiL wrote her car and a parked car off on the way to a speed
>> awareness course. My brother who is a mechanic said the only thing
>> stopping the parked car's wheel from rolling away was the handbrake
>> cable.
>
>> She says she was only doing 20MPH.
>
> I can imagine hitting one car at 20 mph. This was effectively 4.
>
> The natural reaction when you see an accident about to happen is to stand
> on the brakes. At 20mph, on a decent surface, the car should stop in
> little more than one car's length. Far less when hitting a stationary
> object.
>

But things can go pear shaped if its a powerful car and you hit the
accelerator
instead of the brake when you panic. We have had little kids killed that
way when
the car goes right thru a building plate glass window etc.