JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on
>>>>>>>>>> from the end (T-junction)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to
>>>>>>>>>> avoid a cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and
>>>>>>>>>> broke off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf
>>>>>>>>>> behind it
>>>>>>>>>> pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The
>>>>>>>>>> Golf
>>>>>>>>>> in turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>>>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on
>>>>>>>>>> the other
>>>>>>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to
>>>>>>>>>> driver or passenger in the Merc.
>>>>>>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver
>>>>>>>>>> apparently sober.
>>>>>>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners'
>>>>>>>>> driveways,
>>>>>>>>> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You'd have to re-design this part of London, then. Built before
>>>>>>>> cars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But the road is the bit that belongs to the public at large... yes?
>>>>>> Irrelevant to whether it is possible to have driveways there now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Probably true.
>>>>>
>>>>>> They don't even have front yards, the front door is directly off
>>>>>> the footpath.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am... er... familiar with that housing type.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've seen it a few times before.
>>
>>>> So it was silly to rabbit on about how it wouldn't
>>>> have happened if they had been parked in driveways.
>>
>>> Why?
>> Because there is no way to have a driveway with those
>> Victorian multi story strips of houses with not even a front
>> yard where the front door opens directly onto the footpath.
>>
>>> I have never seen the street in question and had no information on the
>>> housing form.
>>>
>>> In the case of terraced housing and even other forms, such as flats
>>> and even semi-detached, parking on-street is not always allowed (some
>>> such housing has double yellow lines outside).
>>>
>>> There is no prescriptive right to park outside and there is a school
>>> of thought to the effect that all vehicles should be garaged off
>>> street at the home of the owner and/or user, with street parking only
>>> allowed at the far end of any journey.
>> All irrelevant to the fact that with victorian terraces, there is no
>> way to have a driveway,
>
> In that case, no way to keep a motor vehicle, except at the expense of
> others.

There is no viable alternative. Hardly viable to tell
the owners of the houses that they can't have a car.

Even worse in some medieval Sicilian villages, not even
a road, just a lane between the multi story houses with
the front door in the wall of the house. One village is
flogging those for quite literally 1 euro because most
of the locals have moved to the new part of the village.

On 23/04/2022 12:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article <t40enp$kbn$1@dont-email.me>,
> ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from the end
>>> (T-junction)
>>>
>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
>>> cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>
>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke
>>> off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it
>>> pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in
>>> turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>
>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver
>>> or passenger in the Merc.
>>>
>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>> sober.
>>>
>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>
>
>> My SiL wrote her car and a parked car off on the way to a speed
>> awareness course. My brother who is a mechanic said the only thing
>> stopping the parked car's wheel from rolling away was the handbrake
>> cable.
>
>> She says she was only doing 20MPH.
>
> I can imagine hitting one car at 20 mph. This was effectively 4.
>
> The natural reaction when you see an accident about to happen is to stand
> on the brakes. At 20mph, on a decent surface, the car should stop in
> little more than one car's length. Far less when hitting a stationary
> object.
>

20MPH car crash

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Abd76kaHR4&ab_channel=hello835

On 23/04/2022 06:46 pm, ARW wrote:

> On 23/04/2022 12:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>     ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from
>>>> the end (T-junction)
>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
>>>> cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke
>>>> off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it
>>>> pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in
>>>> turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver
>>>> or passenger in the Merc.
>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>>> sober.
>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>
>>> My SiL wrote her car and a parked car off on the way to a speed
>>> awareness course. My brother who is a mechanic said the only thing
>>> stopping the parked car's wheel from rolling away was the handbrake
>>> cable.
>
>>> She says she was only doing 20MPH.
>
>> I can imagine hitting one car at 20 mph. This was effectively 4.
>
>> The natural reaction when you see an accident about to happen is to stand
>> on the brakes. At 20mph, on a decent surface, the car should stop in
>> little more than one car's length. Far less when hitting a stationary
>> object.

> 20MPH car crash
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Abd76kaHR4&ab_channel=hello835

That one is a cracker. Seen it several times.

It's great the way the female driver who failed to give way at the
junction comes round the corner with a phone in her hand and starts
shouting and blaming the victim.

On 23/04/2022 06:13 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>>>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on
>>>>>>>>>>> from the end (T-junction)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to
>>>>>>>>>>> avoid a cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and
>>>>>>>>>>> broke off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf
>>>>>>>>>>> behind it
>>>>>>>>>>> pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The
>>>>>>>>>>> Golf
>>>>>>>>>>> in turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>>>>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on
>>>>>>>>>>> the other
>>>>>>>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to
>>>>>>>>>>> driver or passenger in the Merc.
>>>>>>>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver
>>>>>>>>>>> apparently sober.
>>>>>>>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners'
>>>>>>>>>> driveways,
>>>>>>>>>> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  You'd have to re-design this part of London, then. Built
>>>>>>>>> before cars.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But the road is the bit that belongs to the public at large... yes?
>>>>>>>  Irrelevant to whether it is possible to have driveways there now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Probably true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They don't even have front yards, the front door is directly off
>>>>>>> the footpath.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am... er... familiar with that housing type.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've seen it a few times before.
>>>
>>>>>  So it was silly to rabbit on about how it wouldn't
>>>>> have happened if they had been parked in driveways.
>>>
>>>> Why?
>>>  Because there is no way to have a driveway with those
>>> Victorian multi story strips of houses with not even a front
>>> yard where the front door opens directly onto the footpath.
>>>
>>>> I have never seen the street in question and had no information on
>>>> the housing form.
>>>>
>>>> In the case of terraced housing and even other forms, such as flats
>>>> and even semi-detached, parking on-street is not always allowed
>>>> (some such housing has double yellow lines outside).
>>>>
>>>> There is no prescriptive right to park outside and there is a school
>>>> of thought to the effect that all vehicles should be garaged off
>>>> street at the home of the owner and/or user, with street parking
>>>> only allowed at the far end of any journey.
>>>  All irrelevant to the fact that with victorian terraces, there is no
>>> way to have a driveway,
>>
>> In that case, no way to keep a motor vehicle, except at the expense of
>> others.
>
> There is no viable alternative. Hardly viable to tell
> the owners of the houses that they can't have a car.

But they can if they can find some off-street parking for it.

That already applies for many people who live in city-centre flats and
other accommodation.

> Even worse in some medieval Sicilian villages, not even
> a road, just a lane between the multi story houses with
> the front door in the wall of the house. One village is
> flogging those for quite literally 1 euro because most
> of the locals have moved to the new part of the village.

Yes - seen similar in various parts of Italy, especially in the villages
and towns around the Amalfi / Sorrento coast.

On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 05:31:50 +1000, JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm>
wrote:

> On 23/04/2022 06:46 pm, ARW wrote:
>
>> On 23/04/2022 12:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from
>>>>> the end (T-junction)
>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
>>>>> cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke
>>>>> off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it
>>>>> pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in
>>>>> turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the
>>>>> other
>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver
>>>>> or passenger in the Merc.
>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>>>> sober.
>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>
>>>> My SiL wrote her car and a parked car off on the way to a speed
>>>> awareness course. My brother who is a mechanic said the only thing
>>>> stopping the parked car's wheel from rolling away was the handbrake
>>>> cable.
>>
>>>> She says she was only doing 20MPH.
>>
>>> I can imagine hitting one car at 20 mph. This was effectively 4.
>>
>>> The natural reaction when you see an accident about to happen is to
>>> stand
>>> on the brakes. At 20mph, on a decent surface, the car should stop in
>>> little more than one car's length. Far less when hitting a stationary
>>> object.
>
>> 20MPH car crash
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Abd76kaHR4&ab_channel=hello835
>
> That one is a cracker. Seen it several times.
>
> It's great the way the female driver who failed to give way at the
> junction comes round the corner with a phone in her hand and starts
> shouting and blaming the victim.

And not surprising that the stupid cow demanded that that video be taken
down.

JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>>>>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on
>>>>>>>>>>>> from the end (T-junction)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to
>>>>>>>>>>>> avoid a cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and
>>>>>>>>>>>> broke off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf
>>>>>>>>>>>> behind it
>>>>>>>>>>>> pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> Golf
>>>>>>>>>>>> in turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>>>>>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on
>>>>>>>>>>>> the other
>>>>>>>>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to
>>>>>>>>>>>> driver or passenger in the Merc.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver
>>>>>>>>>>>> apparently sober.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners'
>>>>>>>>>>> driveways,
>>>>>>>>>>> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You'd have to re-design this part of London, then. Built
>>>>>>>>>> before cars.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But the road is the bit that belongs to the public at large...
>>>>>>>>> yes?
>>>>>>>> Irrelevant to whether it is possible to have driveways there now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Probably true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They don't even have front yards, the front door is directly off
>>>>>>>> the footpath.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am... er... familiar with that housing type.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've seen it a few times before.
>>>>
>>>>>> So it was silly to rabbit on about how it wouldn't
>>>>>> have happened if they had been parked in driveways.
>>>>
>>>>> Why?
>>>> Because there is no way to have a driveway with those
>>>> Victorian multi story strips of houses with not even a front
>>>> yard where the front door opens directly onto the footpath.
>>>>
>>>>> I have never seen the street in question and had no information on
>>>>> the housing form.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the case of terraced housing and even other forms, such as flats
>>>>> and even semi-detached, parking on-street is not always allowed
>>>>> (some such housing has double yellow lines outside).
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no prescriptive right to park outside and there is a school
>>>>> of thought to the effect that all vehicles should be garaged off
>>>>> street at the home of the owner and/or user, with street parking
>>>>> only allowed at the far end of any journey.
>>>> All irrelevant to the fact that with victorian terraces, there is no
>>>> way to have a driveway,
>>>
>>> In that case, no way to keep a motor vehicle, except at the expense of
>>> others.
>> There is no viable alternative. Hardly viable to tell
>> the owners of the houses that they can't have a car.

> But they can if they can find some off-street parking for it.

Just not feasible when the streets close to their house are all like that.

> That already applies for many people who live in city-centre flats and
> other accommodation.

Only when the authoritys are actually stupid enough to
approve blocks for flats with no parking in the building
or outside the building. Ours aren't that stupid anymore.

>> Even worse in some medieval Sicilian villages, not even
>> a road, just a lane between the multi story houses with
>> the front door in the wall of the house. One village is
>> flogging those for quite literally 1 euro because most
>> of the locals have moved to the new part of the village.

> Yes - seen similar in various parts of Italy, especially inthe villages
> and towns around the Amalfi / Sorrento coast.

Not sure what they did when the ancients can't even walk
to the tiny shop at the end of the lane, presumably get
someone else to do the shopping for them in the pre
delivery days. Or maybe they always had delivery available.

Just reading the memoirs of a yank born just after the war
in Philadelphia in a small town of less than a thousand
people. Apparantly they had delivery of the groceries
with almost all of what they bought. No one ever locked
their house even when away for a week or two and the
grocerys were delivered to the kitchen without even
knocking on the door with the delivery person shouting
Delivery when they dropped the stuff off. Weirdly a town
that size had two doctors, two dentists, two law firms etc.

The main employer was an oil refinery,

On 23/04/2022 20:31, JNugent wrote:
> On 23/04/2022 06:46 pm, ARW wrote:
>
>> On 23/04/2022 12:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>>     ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>
>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from
>>>>> the end (T-junction)
>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
>>>>> cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke
>>>>> off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it
>>>>> pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in
>>>>> turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver
>>>>> or passenger in the Merc.
>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>>>> sober.
>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>
>>>> My SiL wrote her car and a parked car off on the way to a speed
>>>> awareness course. My brother who is a mechanic said the only thing
>>>> stopping the parked car's wheel from rolling away was the handbrake
>>>> cable.
>>
>>>> She says she was only doing 20MPH.
>>
>>> I can imagine hitting one car at 20 mph. This was effectively 4.
>>
>>> The natural reaction when you see an accident about to happen is to
>>> stand
>>> on the brakes. At 20mph, on a decent surface, the car should stop in
>>> little more than one car's length. Far less when hitting a stationary
>>> object.
>
>> 20MPH car crash
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Abd76kaHR4&ab_channel=hello835
>
> That one is a cracker. Seen it several times.
>
> It's great the way the female driver who failed to give way at the
> junction comes round the corner with a phone in her hand and starts
> shouting and blaming the victim.

I guess you already watch this channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZF0UYl9UB8&t=164s&ab_channel=UKDashCameras

On 24/04/2022 06:19, ARW wrote:
> On 23/04/2022 20:31, JNugent wrote:
>> On 23/04/2022 06:46 pm, ARW wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/04/2022 12:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>>>     ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>
>>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from
>>>>>> the end (T-junction)
>>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
>>>>>> cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke
>>>>>> off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it
>>>>>> pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in
>>>>>> turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver
>>>>>> or passenger in the Merc.
>>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>>>>> sober.
>>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>
>>>>> My SiL wrote her car and a parked car off on the way to a speed
>>>>> awareness course. My brother who is a mechanic said the only thing
>>>>> stopping the parked car's wheel from rolling away was the handbrake
>>>>> cable.
>>>
>>>>> She says she was only doing 20MPH.
>>>
>>>> I can imagine hitting one car at 20 mph. This was effectively 4.
>>>
>>>> The natural reaction when you see an accident about to happen is to
>>>> stand
>>>> on the brakes. At 20mph, on a decent surface, the car should stop in
>>>> little more than one car's length. Far less when hitting a stationary
>>>> object.
>>
>>> 20MPH car crash
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Abd76kaHR4&ab_channel=hello835
>>
>> That one is a cracker. Seen it several times.
>>
>> It's great the way the female driver who failed to give way at the
>> junction comes round the corner with a phone in her hand and starts
>> shouting and blaming the victim.
>
> I guess you already watch this channel
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZF0UYl9UB8&t=164s&ab_channel=UKDashCameras
or this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnUPlAS2wtw&ab_channel=OzzyManReviews

On 22/04/2022 19:57, Rod Speed wrote:
> Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>  wrote
>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>
>>>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on
>>>>>>> from the end
>>>>>>> (T-junction)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to
>>>>>>> avoid a   cat.
>>>>>>> All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and
>>>>>>> broke   off
>>>>>>> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it
>>>>>>> pushing   the
>>>>>>> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn
>>>>>>> hit a   911
>>>>>>> and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to
>>>>>>> driver   or
>>>>>>> passenger in the Merc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver
>>>>>>> apparently sober.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>>>
>>>>>> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners' driveways,
>>>>>> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)
>>>>>  You'd have to re-design this part of London, then. Built before cars.
>>>>
>>>> But the road is the bit that belongs to the public at large... yes?
>>>
>>> Irrelevant to whether it is possible to have driveways there now.
>>>
>>> They don't even have front yards, the front door is directly off the
>>> footpath.
>>
>> On Youtube there are videos of vehicles overturning virtually at
>> walking pace, when they've (for example) simply mounted the kerb at an
>> unfortunate angle.
>
> I find that hard to believe, got some links ?

Use a decent search engine and search terms you lazy git.

On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 16:52:05 +1000, Richard
<smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:

> On 22/04/2022 19:57, Rod Speed wrote:
>> Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>
>>>>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on
>>>>>>>> from the end
>>>>>>>> (T-junction)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to
>>>>>>>> avoid a cat.
>>>>>>>> All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and
>>>>>>>> broke off
>>>>>>>> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it
>>>>>>>> pushing the
>>>>>>>> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn
>>>>>>>> hit a 911
>>>>>>>> and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to
>>>>>>>> driver or
>>>>>>>> passenger in the Merc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver
>>>>>>>> apparently sober.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners'
>>>>>>> driveways,
>>>>>>> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)
>>>>>> You'd have to re-design this part of London, then. Built before
>>>>>> cars.
>>>>>
>>>>> But the road is the bit that belongs to the public at large... yes?
>>>>
>>>> Irrelevant to whether it is possible to have driveways there now.
>>>>
>>>> They don't even have front yards, the front door is directly off the
>>>> footpath.
>>>
>>> On Youtube there are videos of vehicles overturning virtually at
>>> walking pace, when they've (for example) simply mounted the kerb at an
>>> unfortunate angle.
>> I find that hard to believe, got some links ?
>
> Use a decent search engine and search terms you lazy git.

Not even possible in that case you stupid dick.

On 24/04/2022 08:12, Rod Speed wrote:
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2022 16:52:05 +1000, Richard
> <smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 22/04/2022 19:57, Rod Speed wrote:
>>> Ian Jackson <ianREMOVETHISjackson@g3ohx.co.uk> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>  wrote
>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>
>>>>>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on
>>>>>>>>> from the end
>>>>>>>>> (T-junction)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to
>>>>>>>>> avoid a   cat.
>>>>>>>>> All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and
>>>>>>>>> broke   off
>>>>>>>>> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it
>>>>>>>>> pushing   the
>>>>>>>>> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn
>>>>>>>>> hit a   911
>>>>>>>>> and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on
>>>>>>>>> the other
>>>>>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to
>>>>>>>>> driver   or
>>>>>>>>> passenger in the Merc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver
>>>>>>>>> apparently sober.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners'
>>>>>>>> driveways,
>>>>>>>> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)
>>>>>>>  You'd have to re-design this part of London, then. Built before
>>>>>>> cars.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the road is the bit that belongs to the public at large... yes?
>>>>>
>>>>> Irrelevant to whether it is possible to have driveways there now.
>>>>>
>>>>> They don't even have front yards, the front door is directly off
>>>>> the footpath.
>>>>
>>>> On Youtube there are videos of vehicles overturning virtually at
>>>> walking pace, when they've (for example) simply mounted the kerb at
>>>> an unfortunate angle.
>>>  I find that hard to believe, got some links ?
>>
>> Use a decent search engine and search terms you lazy git.
>
> Not even possible in that case you stupid dick.

This should get you started:
https://www.mentalhealthnavigators.org/mental-health-search-engine

On 23/04/2022 09:52, ARW wrote:
> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from the
>> end
>> (T-junction)
>>
>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a cat.
>> All other vehicles involved parked.
>>
>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
>> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
>> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
>> and pushed that into the car behind.
>>
>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
>> passenger in the Merc.
>>
>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently sober.
>>
>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>
>
> My SiL wrote her car and a parked car off on the way to a speed
> awareness course. My brother who is a mechanic said the only thing
> stopping the parked car's wheel from rolling away was the handbrake cable.
>
> She says she was only doing 20MPH.

... above the limit.

Some gutless dick desperately cowering behind`
Richard <smithski@btinternet.com.invalid> spewed the
more of the shit that always spews from the back of it.

On 23/04/2022 10:21 pm, Rod Speed wrote:
> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on from the end (T-junction)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to avoid a cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and broke off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Golf behind it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Golf
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the other
>>>>>>>>>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to driver or passenger in the Merc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver
>>>>>>>>>>>>> apparently sober.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners'
>>>>>>>>>>>> driveways,
>>>>>>>>>>>> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  You'd have to re-design this part of London, then. Built
>>>>>>>>>>> before cars.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But the road is the bit that belongs to the public at large...
>>>>>>>>>> yes?
>>>>>>>>>  Irrelevant to whether it is possible to have driveways there now.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Probably true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They don't even have front yards, the front door is directly
>>>>>>>>> off the footpath.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am... er... familiar with that housing type.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've seen it a few times before.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  So it was silly to rabbit on about how it wouldn't
>>>>>>> have happened if they had been parked in driveways.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>  Because there is no way to have a driveway with those
>>>>> Victorian multi story strips of houses with not even a front
>>>>> yard where the front door opens directly onto the footpath.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have never seen the street in question and had no information on
>>>>>> the housing form.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the case of terraced housing and even other forms, such as
>>>>>> flats and even semi-detached, parking on-street is not always
>>>>>> allowed (some such housing has double yellow lines outside).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no prescriptive right to park outside and there is a
>>>>>> school of thought to the effect that all vehicles should be
>>>>>> garaged off street at the home of the owner and/or user, with
>>>>>> street parking only allowed at the far end of any journey.
>>>>>  All irrelevant to the fact that with victorian terraces, there is
>>>>> no way to have a driveway,
>>>>
>>>> In that case, no way to keep a motor vehicle, except at the expense
>>>> of others.
>>>  There is no viable alternative. Hardly viable to tell
>>> the owners of the houses that they can't have a car.
>
>> But they can if they can find some off-street parking for it.
>
> Just not feasible when the streets close to their house are all like that.

It depends. There *is* a private sector for renting out garages. The
principle exists but obviously provision is not evenly spread. If I
needed to (I don't), I could easily rent a garage in this village.

This one sounds a little startling, but in certain urban areas, there
was, some years ago, during the reign of terror of John Prescott at
Transport, a government scheme called "Pathfinders", wherein some
streets of low-value terraced housing were to be CPd and demolished, in
order to provide batches of off-street parking for the houses which had
not been demolished. Sort of thinning out the herd to provide space.

I'm talking about unimproved houses worth probably about £12,000 -
£15,000 at the time. I know because a relative owned one of them. He
wasn't bothered about it and was even looking forward to the move, but
many others were opposed and the government eventually dropped the
scheme (after blighting the areas concerned for some years).

>> That already applies for many people who live in city-centre flats and
>> other accommodation.

> Only when the authoritys are actually stupid enough to
> approve blocks for flats with no parking in the building
> or outside the building. Ours aren't that stupid anymore.

No, not recently-built accommodation (though there must be some of
that). There are plenty of flats (of various kinds) in London W1 and
WC1, for instance, right in the heart of the West End, with no
possibility of off-street parking. They don't get resident's parking
permits for Shaftesbury Avenue, Oxford Street, Regent Street or Charing
Cross Road.
>
>>> Even worse in some medieval Sicilian villages, not even
>>> a road, just a lane between the multi story houses with
>>> the front door in the wall of the house. One village is
>>> flogging those for quite literally 1 euro because most
>>> of the locals have moved to the new part of the village.
>
>> Yes - seen similar in various parts of Italy, especially in the
>> villages  and towns around the Amalfi / Sorrento coast.
>
> Not sure what they did when the ancients can't even walk
> to the tiny shop at the end of the lane, presumably get
> someone else to do the shopping for them in the pre
> delivery days. Or maybe they always had delivery available.'
I've stayed in such a place, where the nearest parking space is well
over half a mile away and up and down a hundred feet of steps. There are
fairly well-developed shopping delivery services, contactable by phone
or internet. There are even couriers who will carry luggage from car to
accommodation for seven or eight Euros per person.
>
> Just reading the memoirs of a yank born just after the war
> in Philadelphia in a small town of less than a thousand
> people. Apparantly they had delivery of the groceries
> with almost all of what they bought. No one ever locked
> their house even when away for a week or two and the
> grocerys were delivered to the kitchen without even
> knocking on the door with the delivery person shouting
> Delivery when they dropped the stuff off. Weirdly a town
> that size had two doctors, two dentists, two law firms etc.

> The main employer was an oil refinery,

The Golden Days, eh?

On 24/04/2022 06:19 am, ARW wrote:
> On 23/04/2022 20:31, JNugent wrote:
>> On 23/04/2022 06:46 pm, ARW wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/04/2022 12:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>>>     ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>
>>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from
>>>>>> the end (T-junction)
>>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
>>>>>> cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke
>>>>>> off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it
>>>>>> pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in
>>>>>> turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver
>>>>>> or passenger in the Merc.
>>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>>>>> sober.
>>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>
>>>>> My SiL wrote her car and a parked car off on the way to a speed
>>>>> awareness course. My brother who is a mechanic said the only thing
>>>>> stopping the parked car's wheel from rolling away was the handbrake
>>>>> cable.
>>>
>>>>> She says she was only doing 20MPH.
>>>
>>>> I can imagine hitting one car at 20 mph. This was effectively 4.
>>>
>>>> The natural reaction when you see an accident about to happen is to
>>>> stand
>>>> on the brakes. At 20mph, on a decent surface, the car should stop in
>>>> little more than one car's length. Far less when hitting a stationary
>>>> object.
>>
>>> 20MPH car crash
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Abd76kaHR4&ab_channel=hello835
>>
>> That one is a cracker. Seen it several times.
>>
>> It's great the way the female driver who failed to give way at the
>> junction comes round the corner with a phone in her hand and starts
>> shouting and blaming the victim.
>
> I guess you already watch this channel
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZF0UYl9UB8&t=164s&ab_channel=UKDashCameras

Very entertaining for the odd half hour!

On 24/04/2022 06:44 am, ARW wrote:
> On 24/04/2022 06:19, ARW wrote:
>> On 23/04/2022 20:31, JNugent wrote:
>>> On 23/04/2022 06:46 pm, ARW wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 23/04/2022 12:43, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>>>>     ARW <adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on
>>>>>>> from the end (T-junction)
>>>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
>>>>>>> cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke
>>>>>>> off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it
>>>>>>> pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The
>>>>>>> Golf in
>>>>>>> turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver
>>>>>>> or passenger in the Merc.
>>>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>>>>>> sober.
>>>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>>
>>>>>> My SiL wrote her car and a parked car off on the way to a speed
>>>>>> awareness course. My brother who is a mechanic said the only thing
>>>>>> stopping the parked car's wheel from rolling away was the handbrake
>>>>>> cable.
>>>>
>>>>>> She says she was only doing 20MPH.
>>>>
>>>>> I can imagine hitting one car at 20 mph. This was effectively 4.
>>>>
>>>>> The natural reaction when you see an accident about to happen is to
>>>>> stand
>>>>> on the brakes. At 20mph, on a decent surface, the car should stop in
>>>>> little more than one car's length. Far less when hitting a stationary
>>>>> object.
>>>
>>>> 20MPH car crash
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Abd76kaHR4&ab_channel=hello835
>>>
>>> That one is a cracker. Seen it several times.
>>>
>>> It's great the way the female driver who failed to give way at the
>>> junction comes round the corner with a phone in her hand and starts
>>> shouting and blaming the victim.
>>
>> I guess you already watch this channel
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZF0UYl9UB8&t=164s&ab_channel=UKDashCameras
>>
> or this one
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnUPlAS2wtw&ab_channel=OzzyManReviews

Subscribed!

Thanks!

In article <t41e13$7qg$1@dont-email.me>,
adamwadsworth@blueyonder.co.uk says...
>
> 20MPH car crash
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Abd76kaHR4&ab_channel=hello835

That's Southey Road in Wimbledon.
All the nearby junctions provide hours of entertainment.
And it's one of Merton Councils 20mph zones which seem to lead
to complacency.

On 24/04/2022 09:03, Richard wrote:
> On 23/04/2022 09:52, ARW wrote:
>> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from
>>> the end
>>> (T-junction)
>>>
>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
>>> cat.
>>> All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>
>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
>>> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
>>> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a 911
>>> and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>
>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
>>> passenger in the Merc.
>>>
>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>> sober.
>>>
>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>
>>
>> My SiL wrote her car and a parked car off on the way to a speed
>> awareness course. My brother who is a mechanic said the only thing
>> stopping the parked car's wheel from rolling away was the handbrake
>> cable.
>>
>> She says she was only doing 20MPH.
>
> .. above the limit.

Also swears she weighs less than 20 stone. Weighing scales are lying
like the speedometer.

In article <jckpr1Fmkb0U1@mid.individual.net>,
JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> It depends. There *is* a private sector for renting out garages. The
> principle exists but obviously provision is not evenly spread. If I
> needed to (I don't), I could easily rent a garage in this village.

Good to know you live somewhere so cheap. No wonder you talk so much crap.
In many UK inner cities, you'll make more money turning garage space into
residential. Isn't that just what a good Tory wants?

--
*DON'T SWEAT THE PETTY THINGS AND DON'T PET THE SWEATY THINGS.

Dave Plowman dave@davenoise.co.uk London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 24/04/2022 03:24 pm, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>> It depends. There *is* a private sector for renting out garages. The
>> principle exists but obviously provision is not evenly spread. If I
>> needed to (I don't), I could easily rent a garage in this village.

> Good to know you live somewhere so cheap.

Good God, where on earth did that come from?

I live about 30 miles from Central London. It's not Notting Hill or
Hampstead, but certainly not "cheap". I tripled my mortgage when we
moved south, forty years ago.

And what does the availability of rented garages have to do with
"cheapness" anyway?

You are irrational.

> No wonder you talk so much crap.

Yes, irrational.

> In many UK inner cities, you'll make more money turning garage space into
> residential. Isn't that just what a good Tory wants?

You, of course, won't know this (there's no reason why you should or
would), but it is virtually *impossible* to get planning permission to
turn a block of garages into a housing development. And so it *should*
be, since such spots are usually too close to other houses for any such
development to be "neighbourly", which is a major planning consideration.

So in fact, you couldn't be more wrong about the garages near here (and
in other places nearby), but you didn't know it.

But garages exist, they belong to private companies and are advertised
for rent (not for sale) at reasonable rates. They can be useful for
storage, I expect. It's hard to see what other uses there could be for
the land, except maybe to sell it to adjacent residents in order to
extend their gardens, or something.

I suspect that you do not like to see or hear opinion expressed to the
obvious effect that the street outside a terraced house doesn't belong
to the occupant and that other people have rights too.

On 24/04/2022 16:40, JNugent wrote:

>
> I suspect that you do not like to see or hear opinion expressed to the
> obvious effect that the street outside a terraced house doesn't belong
> to the occupant and that other people have rights too.

I predict that tonight it will be a good pagga.

It started last week when my car was blocked from leaving the driveway.

Today I parked my van in front of the house opposite that driveway.

I have already told the owner of that house to sit on it and swivel and

I expect it will kick off when I park my car on the street later tonight.

The adrenaline is already flowing.

On 24/04/2022 17:22, ARW wrote:
> On 24/04/2022 16:40, JNugent wrote:
>
>>
>> I suspect that you do not like to see or hear opinion expressed to the
>> obvious effect that the street outside a terraced house doesn't belong
>> to the occupant and that other people have rights too.
>
> I predict that tonight it will be a good pagga.
>
> It started last week when my car was blocked from leaving the driveway.
>
> Today I parked my van in front of the house opposite that driveway.
>
> I have already told the owner of that house to sit on it and swivel and
>
> I expect it will kick off when I park my car on the street later tonight.
>
> The adrenaline is already flowing.
>

Have you adjusted the cctv angle and could you live-stream so we can watch?

On 24/04/2022 15:22, ARW wrote:
> On 24/04/2022 09:03, Richard wrote:
>> On 23/04/2022 09:52, ARW wrote:
>>> On 20/04/2022 15:56, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards on from
>>>> the end
>>>> (T-junction)
>>>>
>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved to avoid a
>>>> cat.
>>>> All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>
>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it and broke off
>>>> the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the Golf behind it pushing the
>>>> rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb. The Golf in turn hit a
>>>> 911
>>>> and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>
>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked on the other
>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury to driver or
>>>> passenger in the Merc.
>>>>
>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver apparently
>>>> sober.
>>>>
>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>>
>>>
>>> My SiL wrote her car and a parked car off on the way to a speed
>>> awareness course. My brother who is a mechanic said the only thing
>>> stopping the parked car's wheel from rolling away was the handbrake
>>> cable.
>>>
>>> She says she was only doing 20MPH.
>>
>> .. above the limit.
>
> Also swears she weighs less than 20 stone. Weighing scales are lying
> like the speedometer.

So, she can only count up to 20. Is this feat achievable with shoes on,
or does she only manage 10?

JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>> JNugent <jennings&co@fastmail.fm> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dave Plowman (News) wrote
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was an accident in my road on Monday. About 50 yards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on from the end (T-junction)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A Merc SUV driven by a young woman claims to have swerved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to avoid a cat. All other vehicles involved parked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It first hit the rear side of a BMW, scraped all along it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and broke off the front wheel and suspension. Next hit the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Golf behind it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pushing the rear well onto the pavement over a high kerb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Golf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in turn hit a 911 and pushed that into the car behind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At some point the Merc spun sideways and hit a car parked
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on the other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> side. Merc spewed out oil onto the road. No serious injury
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to driver or passenger in the Merc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Police and emergency services soon at the scene. Driver
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apparently sober.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Claimed to be observing the speed limit which is 20 mph.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If all the "victim" cars had been parked on their owners'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> driveways,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they probably wouldn't have been damaged. ;-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You'd have to re-design this part of London, then. Built
>>>>>>>>>>>> before cars.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But the road is the bit that belongs to the public at large....
>>>>>>>>>>> yes?
>>>>>>>>>> Irrelevant to whether it is possible to have driveways there
>>>>>>>>>> now.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Probably true.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They don't even have front yards, the front door is directly
>>>>>>>>>> off the footpath.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am... er... familiar with that housing type.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've seen it a few times before.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So it was silly to rabbit on about how it wouldn't
>>>>>>>> have happened if they had been parked in driveways.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why?
>>>>>> Because there is no way to have a driveway with those
>>>>>> Victorian multi story strips of houses with not even a front
>>>>>> yard where the front door opens directly onto the footpath.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have never seen the street in question and had no information on
>>>>>>> the housing form.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the case of terraced housing and even other forms, such as
>>>>>>> flats and even semi-detached, parking on-street is not always
>>>>>>> allowed (some such housing has double yellow lines outside).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is no prescriptive right to park outside and there is a
>>>>>>> school of thought to the effect that all vehicles should be
>>>>>>> garaged off street at the home of the owner and/or user, with
>>>>>>> street parking only allowed at the far end of any journey.
>>>>>> All irrelevant to the fact that with victorian terraces, there is
>>>>>> no way to have a driveway,
>>>>>
>>>>> In that case, no way to keep a motor vehicle, except at the expense
>>>>> of others.
>>>> There is no viable alternative. Hardly viable to tell
>>>> the owners of the houses that they can't have a car.
>>
>>> But they can if they can find some off-street parking for it.
>> Just not feasible when the streets close to their house are all like
>> that.

> It depends.

Nope.

> There *is* a private sector for renting out garages.

But no way to add enough garages close to those houses for that now.

Clearly not economic to demolish an entire block of
those very expensive houses and replace them with
say a massive great multistory carpark now.

> The principle exists but obviously provision is not evenly spread.

In fact nothing even remotely like enough of them
with those streets where there is no front yard at all.

> If I needed to (I don't), I could easily rent a garage in this village..

But that village doesn't have streets of terrace houses with no
front yards at all.

> This one sounds a little startling, but in certain urban areas, there
> was, some years ago, during the reign of terror of John Prescott at
> Transport, a government scheme called "Pathfinders", wherein some
> streets of low-value terraced housing were to be CPd and demolished, in
> order to provide batches of off-street parking for the houses which had
> not been demolished. Sort of thinning out the herd to provide space.

Yes, but those streets of massive great multistory Victorian very expensive
terrace mansions with no front yards at all are nothing like that.

> I'm talking about unimproved houses worth probably about £12,000 -
> £15,000 at the time. I know because a relative owned one of them. He
> wasn't bothered about it and was even looking forward to the move, but
> many others were opposed and the government eventually dropped the
> scheme (after blighting the areas concerned for some years).

Nothing like what we are discussing.

>>> That already applies for many people who live in city-centre flats and
>>> other accommodation.

>> Only when the authoritys are actually stupid enough to
>> approve blocks for flats with no parking in the building
>> or outside the building. Ours aren't that stupid anymore.

> No, not recently-built accommodation (though there must be some of
> that). There are plenty of flats (of various kinds) in London W1 and
> WC1, for instance, right in the heart of the West End, with no
> possibility of off-street parking. They don't get resident's parking
> permits for Shaftesbury Avenue, Oxford Street, Regent Street or Charing
> Cross Road.

>>>> Even worse in some medieval Sicilian villages, not even
>>>> a road, just a lane between the multi story houses with
>>>> the front door in the wall of the house. One village is
>>>> flogging those for quite literally 1 euro because most
>>>> of the locals have moved to the new part of the village.
>>
>>> Yes - seen similar in various parts of Italy, especially in the
>>> villages and towns around the Amalfi / Sorrento coast.

>> Not sure what they did when the ancients can't even walk
>> to the tiny shop at the end of the lane, presumably get
>> someone else to do the shopping for them in the pre
>> delivery days. Or maybe they always had delivery available.'

On 24/04/2022 05:22 pm, ARW wrote:

> On 24/04/2022 16:40, JNugent wrote:
>
>> I suspect that you do not like to see or hear opinion expressed to the
>> obvious effect that the street outside a terraced house doesn't belong
>> to the occupant and that other people have rights too.
>
> I predict that tonight it will be a good pagga.
> It started last week when my car was blocked from leaving the driveway.
> Today I parked my van in front of the house opposite that driveway.
> I have already told the owner of that house to sit on it and swivel and
> I expect it will kick off when I park my car on the street later tonight.

> The adrenaline is already flowing.

Have you got the cameras set up?