On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 12:36:41 -0800, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>> "fewer".

>>>>> I approve this message.

>>>> "approve of"
>>> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=i%20approve%20this%20message
>> Yes, yes, I'm aware of the derivation.

>It's not the OED, but Cambridge is close enough:
>https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/approve
>
>IMHO, either is appropriate. As an organization with rather unique
>posting standards, anyone might assert authority. Or just state an opinion.
>Personally, I find the extraneous preposition superfluous. But that's
>just me.

Mebbe. For me, there is a nuance of difference between "approve" and
"approve of". "Approve", alone, implies (to me) some degree of
official sanction - if I approved something at work, it might mean I
had authorised it, signed it off, etc. To "approve of" something
just means that you informally agree with it. But YMMV
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 09:14:04 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
<stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, 10 December 2021 at 16:31:43 UTC, Champ wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 12:56:55 +0100, Ace <A...@ch.com> wrote:
>
>> >Some of them are no more or less evident now than they were forty or
>> >more years ago, like Middle East (or Africa, Asia) wars and refugee
>> >problems. I'm sure you remember the Biafra and Bangladesh wars, Idi
>> >Amin, Vietnam (remember the "boat People"), etc. etc.
>> Billy Joel even wrote a song about it
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g

>So did Patrik Fitzgerald: 'Irrelevant Battles'.
>
>Not sure I agree with it as much as I did in 1979 but it was certainly
>prescient.

I was not previously aware of Mr Fitzgerald or his work.

But, having just read the lyrics, ISTM that he is making an entirely
different point, which might be summarised as "charity begins at
home". Which is absolutely not what the Billy Joel song is about
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neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 12/11/2021 3:04 AM, Ace wrote:
> On 11 Dec 2021 10:24:06 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> El Sat, 11 Dec 2021 10:23:55 +0100, Ace escribió:
>>
>>> On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 12:36:41 -0800, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> IMHO, either is appropriate. As an organization with rather unique
>>> ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
>>>> posting standards,
>>>
>>> I'm afraid that disqualifies you from any further input to questions of
>>> language usage.

On UKRM? Ya gotta be kidding.

>>
>> Is that for quantifying uniqueness
>
> For qualifying it, you mean.
>
>> or for the american spelling?
>
> Apparently there's nothing wrong or specifically American about the
> "ize" ending; the preferred spelling according to the OED.
>
> Personally I use "ise" out of preference. Always used to have to add
> words so spelled to US American spellcheckers - using a UK dictionary
> in a work environment when dealing predominantly with USians was too
> much like hard work.
>
American spelling of what? What word in my post ended in either "ise" or
"ize?"

--
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FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 11/12/2021 12:44, Champ wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 12:36:41 -0800, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> "fewer".
>
>>>>>> I approve this message.
>
>>>>> "approve of"
>
>>>> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=i%20approve%20this%20message
>
>>> Yes, yes, I'm aware of the derivation.
>
>> It's not the OED, but Cambridge is close enough:
>> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/approve
>>
>> IMHO, either is appropriate. As an organization with rather unique
>> posting standards, anyone might assert authority. Or just state an opinion.
>> Personally, I find the extraneous preposition superfluous. But that's
>> just me.
>
> Mebbe. For me, there is a nuance of difference between "approve" and
> "approve of". "Approve", alone, implies (to me) some degree of
> official sanction - if I approved something at work, it might mean I
> had authorised it, signed it off, etc. To "approve of" something
> just means that you informally agree with it. But YMMV

Quite. Not to mention those schools of yesteryear.

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On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 08:41:54 -0800 (PST), Hog <york996@gmail.com>
wrote:

>One hesitates to be the VOR

The day you're the VOR is the day Reason goes on a drinking spree

>but human overpopulation is a disaster, destroying the environment in multiple parts of the world, responsible for widespead species extinction, contributing to a changing of the global climate. This is new and unique and people, particulary those under 25, have due cause to be alarmed.
>
>China, India, Philippines, Indonesia, parts of South America and East Asia are already significantly ruined and Africa is sinking fast.
>
>Has this passed you by?

It's very very old news. World population growth (growth, not
population itself) has been slowing for decades, and there's very
little that can be done now to slow it further. The peak (of 10~11
billion) is pretty well predicted and set.

If it's a subject of interest for you, then you really should be aware
of Hans Rosling's presentations on the matter. Here's one of many:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LyzBoHo5EI

There's plenty more, if you fancy educating yourself
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 11/12/2021 11:15, Mike Fleming wrote:
> Well,
> it's called "number plates" by me because I know how to spell, and
> "license plates" by almost everyone else
>
<nods>

--
/Simon

On Saturday, 11 December 2021 at 12:48:33 UTC, Champ wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 09:14:04 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
> <stephen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, 10 December 2021 at 16:31:43 UTC, Champ wrote:
> >> On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 12:56:55 +0100, Ace <A...@ch.com> wrote:
> >
> >> >Some of them are no more or less evident now than they were forty or
> >> >more years ago, like Middle East (or Africa, Asia) wars and refugee
> >> >problems. I'm sure you remember the Biafra and Bangladesh wars, Idi
> >> >Amin, Vietnam (remember the "boat People"), etc. etc.
> >> Billy Joel even wrote a song about it
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFTLKWw542g
>
> >So did Patrik Fitzgerald: 'Irrelevant Battles'.
> >
> >Not sure I agree with it as much as I did in 1979 but it was certainly
> >prescient.
>
> I was not previously aware of Mr Fitzgerald or his work.
>
> But, having just read the lyrics, ISTM that he is making an entirely
> different point, which might be summarised as "charity begins at
> home". Which is absolutely not what the Billy Joel song is about

I think it was a bit more than that, that there was a hopeless 'underclass'
in the UK. We saw that grow and ended up with the political situation
we're now in (or at least I am).

But the 'charity begins at home' part is certainly why I feel a little less
easy with it than I did in the late 70s... Although I can almost say without
a shadow of doubt that the vast majority of SteveH's^w^W who would use
'charity begins at home' as a reason for arguing against foreign aid and
refugees would also push back on state benefits...

El Thu, 09 Dec 2021 16:52:43 +0000, Paul Carmichael escribió:

> El Thu, 09 Dec 2021 08:55:01 +0000, Eddie escribió:
>
>> On 08/12/2021 20:12, WUN wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, December 8, 2021 at 5:52:55 PM UTC, Paul Carmichael
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ... just towns with less than 5000 inhabitants.
>>>
>>> "fewer".
>>
>> I approve this message.
>
> For general release?
>
> If I was you I wouldn't.

I can't believe that nobody picked up on the dodgy indicative.

Wear did all the pedants go?

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

On 11/12/2021 12:41, Champ wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 11:15:08 +0000, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> And at
>> my previous employer, I worked alongside a colleague who invariably used
>> the wrong spelling of "stationery", and who pluralised "quarry" as
>> "quarry's" (but it was me who got made redundant, not him).
>
> You worked at a greengrocers?

Greengrocers don't tend to get their stock from quarry's.

On 11/12/2021 14:11, siwilson wrote:
> On 11/12/2021 11:15, Mike Fleming wrote:
>> Well, it's called "number plates" by me because I know how to spell,
>> and "license plates" by almost everyone else
>>
> <nods>

Um, it's got absolutely nothing to do with number plates. In our
terminology (which, admittedly, doesn't make much sense), a licence
plate is a trolley or similar being used to move goods round a
warehouse. So much for being a smartarse, eh?

On 11/12/2021 12:53, Turby wrote:
> On 12/11/2021 3:04 AM, Ace wrote:
>> On 11 Dec 2021 10:24:06 GMT, Paul Carmichael <wibbleypants@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> El Sat, 11 Dec 2021 10:23:55 +0100, Ace escribió:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 12:36:41 -0800, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> IMHO, either is appropriate. As an organization with rather unique
>>>>                                                        ^^^^^^ ^^^^^^
>>>>> posting standards,
>>>>
>>>> I'm afraid that disqualifies you from any further input to questions of
>>>> language usage.
>
> On UKRM? Ya gotta be kidding.
>
>>>
>>> Is that for quantifying uniqueness
>>
>> For qualifying it, you mean.
>>
>>> or for the american spelling?
>>
>> Apparently there's nothing wrong or specifically American about the
>> "ize" ending; the preferred spelling according to the OED.
>>
>> Personally I use "ise" out of preference. Always used to have to add
>> words so spelled to US American spellcheckers - using a UK dictionary
>> in a work environment when dealing predominantly with USians was too
>> much like hard work.
>>
> American spelling of what? What word in my post ended in either "ise" or
> "ize?"

I think that "organization" is being included in "ise" endings. And if
you consider the root of the word being Latin, the Romans didn't have a "z".

On 11/12/2021 12:44, Champ wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 12:36:41 -0800, Turby <xsurf@xmail.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> "fewer".
>
>>>>>> I approve this message.
>
>>>>> "approve of"
>
>>>> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=i%20approve%20this%20message
>
>>> Yes, yes, I'm aware of the derivation.
>
>> It's not the OED, but Cambridge is close enough:
>> https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/approve
>>
>> IMHO, either is appropriate. As an organization with rather unique
>> posting standards, anyone might assert authority. Or just state an opinion.
>> Personally, I find the extraneous preposition superfluous. But that's
>> just me.
>
> Mebbe. For me, there is a nuance of difference between "approve" and
> "approve of". "Approve", alone, implies (to me) some degree of
> official sanction - if I approved something at work, it might mean I
> had authorised it, signed it off, etc. To "approve of" something
> just means that you informally agree with it. But YMMV

I approve of this post.

On Sat, 11 Dec 2021 22:24:30 +0000, Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk>
wrote:

>I think that "organization" is being included in "ise" endings. And if
>you consider the root of the word being Latin, the Romans didn't have a "z".

<nods sagely>

Which explains why there is no zero in Roman numerals - they couldn't
spell it.

--

-Pip

El Sat, 11 Dec 2021 22:24:30 +0000, Mike Fleming escribió:

> I think that "organization" is being included in "ise" endings. And if
> you consider the root of the word being Latin, the Romans didn't have a
> "z".

The Romans didn't have "organise" either. Apparently it's from Medieval
Latin.

The Romans only had the substantive organum. The dative and ablative
plural ended in is, but that's as close as it gets.

--
Paul.

https://paulc.es/elpatio

On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 10:56:13 AM UTC-5, YTC#1 wrote:

<paywall link>
> As a non AP subscriber, I can't comment on the content.

One to bookmark: https://12ft.io

On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 07:26:36 -0800 (PST), Ben Blaney
<benblaney@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, December 6, 2021 at 10:56:13 AM UTC-5, YTC#1 wrote:
>
><paywall link>
>> As a non AP subscriber, I can't comment on the content.

>One to bookmark: https://12ft.io

wow. That is fantastic!
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

Champ wrote:
> Ben Blaney wrote:
> >One to bookmark: https://12ft.io
>
> wow. That is fantastic!

This is quite handy too: https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome/blob/master/README.md

ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com> wrote in
news:74462605-eef0-45cd-9283-cc661d097863n@googlegroups.com:

> Champ wrote:
>> Ben Blaney wrote:
>> >One to bookmark: https://12ft.io
>>
>> wow. That is fantastic!
>

just tried it on The Times and Which? and it was not successful

> This is quite handy too:
> https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome/blob/master/README
> .md
>

this one seems not to work on a number of sites now

On 10/12/2021 23:53, WUN wrote:
> On Friday, December 10, 2021 at 4:29:23 PM UTC, Champ wrote:
>> On Fri, 10 Dec 2021 13:45:59 +0000, Eddie <ed...@deguello.org> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I approve this message.
>>
>>>> "approve of"
>>
>>> https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=i%20approve%20this%20message
>> Yes, yes, I'm aware of the derivation.
>>
>> But does that mean that WUN is financially contributing to your
>> political campaign to <checks notes> become an elected United States
>> official?
>
> I am not. I cannot speak for Eddie.

Well, *somebody* keeps putting money into my bank account.

--
Eddie eddie@deguello.org

On Sunday, December 12, 2021 at 12:37:31 PM UTC-5, Champ wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 07:26:36 -0800 (PST), Ben Blaney
> <benb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >One to bookmark: https://12ft.io
> wow. That is fantastic!

Isn't it. I don't necessarily love the feel of getting around paying for content (though I have no issue with adblockers, purely for the aesthetic of it), but I'm okay with the philosophy behind this.

I have a subscription to The Economist and to Apple News, which gives me a lot of content, but the main thing I don't get is the Washington Post.

On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 10:08:02 -0800 (PST), ogden <eldaifo@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Champ wrote:
>> Ben Blaney wrote:
>> >One to bookmark: https://12ft.io
>>
>> wow. That is fantastic!
>
>This is quite handy too: https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome/blob/master/README.md

That's the one I've had installed for a while now. And it works on
Firefox too, depite it inly mentioning Edge and Chrome on that link.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On 12/9/2021 4:01 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 08/12/2021 23:17, Boots wrote:
>> On 09/12/2021 05:45 Turby penned these words:
>>> On 12/8/2021 9:35 AM, wessie wrote:
>>>>
>>>> as there is a declining birth rate in many countries, some might
>>>> argue that
>>>> the global population is, to a large extent, in the wrong place, so
>>>> we need
>>>> to encourage more migration.
>>>>
>>> Well under way, but not necessarily in a good way. My home town has
>>> quintupled since I was born. The supply of water hasn't. We get water
>>> from the Colorado river, but so does Los Angeles, Arizona, Utah, Nevada
>>> and Colorado, all of which have increased in population. We also get
>>> water piped from Northern California, but that is threatened by drought,
>>> wildfires, and other challenges. Most reservoirs are at a fraction of
>>> normal volume, and more droughts are coming. The influx of people are
>>> mostly coming from other states, but also Latin America. We have a
>>> serious homeless problem and many think the solution is building more
>>> housing, but they don't include new water sources.
>>
>> And therein is the real issue, resource utilisation. IIRC on average a
>> North
>> American person uses 3x+ the resources of a European and 20x+ that of
>> an Indian.
>>
>>
> An Indian Indian, or a Natvie American?
>

I'm guessing Indian, not NA. One, NAs are often reluctant to join in
governmental assessments.* Two, the variety of tribes in the US is
significant. For example, there are more reservations in San Diego
County than any other county in the US, even though some counties are
nothing but a reservation, and that's because there are so many
different tribes.
* DNA tests usually can't tell if a person has NA blood because

--
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FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)

On 17/12/2021 04:58, Turby wrote:
> On 12/9/2021 4:01 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>> An Indian Indian, or a Natvie American?
>>
>
> I'm guessing Indian, not NA. One, NAs are often reluctant to join in
> governmental assessments.* Two, the variety of tribes in the US is
> significant. For example, there are more reservations in San Diego
> County than any other county in the US, even though some counties are
> nothing but a reservation, and that's because there are so many
> different tribes.
> * DNA tests usually can't tell if a person has NA blood because

....because?

This is both curious and interesting
C

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On 17/12/2021 08:56, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
> On 17/12/2021 04:58, Turby wrote:
>> * DNA tests usually can't tell if a person has NA blood because
>
> ...because?

.... because, because, because
Because of the wonderful things he does!

--
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On 12/17/2021 12:56 AM, ChrisND @UKRM wrote:
> On 17/12/2021 04:58, Turby wrote:
>> On 12/9/2021 4:01 AM, YTC#1 wrote:
>>> An Indian Indian, or a Natvie American?
>>>
>>
>> I'm guessing Indian, not NA. One, NAs are often reluctant to join in
>> governmental assessments.* Two, the variety of tribes in the US is
>> significant. For example, there are more reservations in San Diego
>> County than any other county in the US, even though some counties are
>> nothing but a reservation, and that's because there are so many
>> different tribes.
>> * DNA tests usually can't tell if a person has NA blood because
>
> ...because?
>
> This is both curious and interesting
> C
>
Sorry. That was an accidental "send."

Apparently, and I don't know much about it, but NA tribes don't consider
blood lines as much of an indicator of tribal membership as cultural and
historical membership, so discourage DNA testing among tribal members.
That means lower sample rates.

--
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FJR1300, R1200GS, ST1100 (in memoriam)