......Then again, maybe not:

https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 09:50:19 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote:

> .....Then again, maybe not:
>
> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html

Some people saw this coming.
And some *just* missed.

"The tip is Tesla will file for bankruptcy protection before the end of the
year". Fraudster 15Apr19

“No, it's not, and at this rate I'll be surprised if they [Tesla] survive
to the middle of the year”. Fraudster, 25Apr19

Of course these hilariously wrong predictions were wrong because...
chorus: "It's what he wanted to believe".

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On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> .....Then again, maybe not:
>
> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>
>
For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so they are doing
well but it will be interesting to see how they go when the competition
ramps up.
IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike many other EV's
the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good, not sure if I like the
instrument panel but the rest looks good.
At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car buyers though.

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On 26/10/2021 10:35 am, alvey wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 09:50:19 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>
>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
> Some people saw this coming.
> And some *just* missed.
>
> "The tip is Tesla will file for bankruptcy protection before the end of the
> year". Fraudster 15Apr19
>
> “No, it's not, and at this rate I'll be surprised if they [Tesla] survive
> to the middle of the year”. Fraudster, 25Apr19
>
> Of course these hilariously wrong predictions were wrong because...
> chorus: "It's what he wanted to believe".
>

just another of many things he got wrong

> alvey
>
>
>
>
>

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On 26/10/2021 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> .....Then again, maybe not:
>
> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>
>

he made $48 billion in a day. or $5.48 million an hour; over $91,000 a
second. I won't bother mentioning how much I make a day, but it's not
quite that much...

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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 26/10/2021 11:58 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 26/10/2021 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>
>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>
>>
>
> he made $48 billion in a day. or $5.48 million an hour; over $91,000 a
> second. I won't bother mentioning how much I make a day, but it's not
> quite that much...
>

He's doing alright for a bloke who was going bankrupt last year
according to our resident financial advisor.

On 26/10/2021 8:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> .....Then again, maybe not:
>
> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>
>
As you say maybe not

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/10/hertz-to-purchase-100000-tesla-model-3s-for-its-rental-fleet/

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 15:46:04 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

> On 26/10/2021 8:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>
>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>
> As you say maybe not
>
> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/10/hertz-to-purchase-100000-tesla-model-3s-for-its-rental-fleet/

Eh?
Does anyone have a theory as to why keith posted this piece?

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On 26/10/2021 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> .....Then again, maybe not:
>
> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html

You have to question media reporting. A couple of years ago the media
were screaming about the problems the company faced and how they were
filing for bankruptcy protection, and yet here they are going from
strength to strength.

Either they've achieved the world's most spectacular financial turn
around, which I doubt, or the media just makes this shit up to suit
themselves, which I don't :)

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On 26/10/2021 11:56 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>
>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>
>>
> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so they are doing
> well but it will be interesting to see how they go when the competition
> ramps up.

Probably not all that well given that they make a pretty crap quality
car that is massively over-priced in this country.

> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike many other EV's
> the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good, not sure if I like the
> instrument panel but the rest looks good.

It's okay. Just another characterless car to me.

> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car buyers though.

They're stupid money. Anyone who buys an electric car now is off their
rocker, as manufacturers have only scratched the surface as to what you
get for your money.

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On 26/10/2021 4:46 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 26/10/2021 8:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>
>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>
>>
> As you say maybe not
>
> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/10/hertz-to-purchase-100000-tesla-model-3s-for-its-rental-fleet/

Did you think Trevor's link didn't work or something Keith? :)

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On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 18:08:45 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 26/10/2021 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>
>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>
> You have to question media reporting. A couple of years ago the media
> were screaming about the problems the company faced and how they were
> filing for bankruptcy protection, and yet here they are going from
> strength to strength.
>
> Either they've achieved the world's most spectacular financial turn
> around, which I doubt, or the media just makes this shit up to suit
> themselves, which I don't :)

Double lol!

1. Sociopathy In Action: "It was somwun else wot got it rong! Not me!"
2. Still ignoring my posts in your traditional manner I see Fraudster...

Thanks for the laughs!

You're a loser Der Der. Always have been, always will be.

alvey
Fraudster to jonz:
“Have another shot of Insulin you fat, confused fuck”.

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On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 18:11:42 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 26/10/2021 11:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>
>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>
>>>
>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so they are doing
>> well but it will be interesting to see how they go when the competition
>> ramps up.
>
> Probably not all that well given that they make a pretty crap quality
> car that is massively over-priced in this country.
>
>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike many other EV's
>> the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good, not sure if I like the
>> instrument panel but the rest looks good.
>
> It's okay. Just another characterless car to me.

Sez a bogan who gets a hardon for Failaines, Getzs, SUVs and hideous old
trucks. Having you describe the Tesla as "characterless" is a positive
endorsement for them.
>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car buyers though.
>
> They're stupid money. Anyone who buys an electric car now is off their
> rocker,

"...we bought a new car yesterday which is a 2018 Hyundai Santa Fe
Highlander. Fucking awesome bit of kit for 67 grand". Der Der, 21/10/18
(Hint. 75 - 67 = 8)

Have you ever considered being more taciturn Fraudster? As it is you make
it wayyy too easy to show you as the fool you are by simply using your own
words.

> as manufacturers have only scratched the surface as to what you
> get for your money.

*** WARNING - GOAL POST MOVING IN OPERATION ***

Buffoon.

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On 26/10/2021 5:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 26/10/2021 4:46 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 26/10/2021 8:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>
>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>
>>>
>> As you say maybe not
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/10/hertz-to-purchase-100000-tesla-model-3s-for-its-rental-fleet/
>
>
> Did you think Trevor's link didn't work or something Keith? :)
>
>
>
Similar story different link.OK?

On 26/10/2021 8:16 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 26/10/2021 5:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 26/10/2021 4:46 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 26/10/2021 8:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>> As you say maybe not
>>>
>>> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/10/hertz-to-purchase-100000-tesla-model-3s-for-its-rental-fleet/
>>
>>
>>
>> Did you think Trevor's link didn't work or something Keith? :)
>>
>>
>>
> Similar story different link.OK?

Same story, was it not?

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On 26/10/2021 5:08 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 26/10/2021 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>
>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>
>
> You have to question media reporting. A couple of years ago the media
> were screaming about the problems the company faced and how they were
> filing for bankruptcy protection, and yet here they are going from
> strength to strength.
>
> Either they've achieved the world's most spectacular financial turn
> around, which I doubt, or the media just makes this shit up to suit
> themselves, which I don't :)

Not to mention Musks other company SpaceX which has virtually taken the
satellite launch industry over including a major contract with NASA to
provide transport to the international space station.

On 26/10/2021 10:56 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>
>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>
>>
> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so they are doing
> well but it will be interesting to see how they go when the competition
> ramps up.
> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike many other EV's
> the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good, not sure if I like the
> instrument panel but the rest looks good.
> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car buyers though.
>
I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are more in the BMW
market than the Hyundai one.

I almost got a first row seat in a Tesla crash this morning when one
came up from behind on the Caloundra Road and changed lanes through the
narrowing gap between the rear of my car and the front of a truck.He
made it but not by much.

On 26/10/21 8:24 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 26/10/2021 10:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>
>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>
>>>
>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so they are doing
>> well but it will be interesting to see how they go when the
>> competition ramps up.
>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike many other
>> EV's the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good, not sure if I like the
>> instrument panel but the rest looks good.
>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car buyers though.
>>
> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are more in the BMW
> market than the Hyundai one.

I would say that based on price the Model 3 would be a competitor for
the Hyundai, I would also think that the Hyundai would take sales from
the Tesla seeing as how they are similarly specced and cheaper plus the
Hyundai has a decent quality reputation whereas Tesla's are known for
poor quality.
>
> I almost got a first row seat in a Tesla crash this morning when one
> came up from behind on the Caloundra Road and changed lanes through the
> narrowing gap between the rear of my car and the front of a truck.He
> made it but not by much.

That could have been interesting.

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On 26/10/21 6:11 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 26/10/2021 11:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>
>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>
>>>
>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so they are doing
>> well but it will be interesting to see how they go when the
>> competition ramps up.
>
> Probably not all that well given that they make a pretty crap quality
> car that is massively over-priced in this country.

Car buyers in Australia have gotten used to Japanese car quality so I
can't see too many suddenly accepting anything that isn't close to that
standard.
>
>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike many other
>> EV's the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good, not sure if I like the
>> instrument panel but the rest looks good.
>
> It's okay. Just another characterless car to me.

I thought that it looked OK compared to many other EV's whose makers
seem to feel the need to make them look as ugly as possible.
>
>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car buyers though.
>
> They're stupid money. Anyone who buys an electric car now is off their
> rocker, as manufacturers have only scratched the surface as to what you
> get for your money.
>
>

It would need to be at least $35k less to be getting close to its right
price.

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On 26/10/2021 10:23 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 26/10/21 6:11 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 26/10/2021 11:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so they are doing
>>> well but it will be interesting to see how they go when the
>>> competition ramps up.
>>
>> Probably not all that well given that they make a pretty crap quality
>> car that is massively over-priced in this country.
>
> Car buyers in Australia have gotten used to Japanese car quality so I
> can't see too many suddenly accepting anything that isn't close to that
> standard.

Well, Tesla certainly isn't :)

>>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike many other
>>> EV's the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good, not sure if I like the
>>> instrument panel but the rest looks good.
>>
>> It's okay. Just another characterless car to me.
>
> I thought that it looked OK compared to many other EV's whose makers
> seem to feel the need to make them look as ugly as possible.

It's okay. It has a certain quirkiness to it, but at the end of the day
it's just another bland plastic car to me.

>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car buyers though.
>>
>> They're stupid money. Anyone who buys an electric car now is off their
>> rocker, as manufacturers have only scratched the surface as to what
>> you get for your money.
>>
>>
>
> It would need to be at least $35k less to be getting close to its right
> price.

Not only that, but I expect the EV landscape will change dramatically
over the next 5 years or so, with fuel cell taking over as the
mainstream flavour.

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On 26/10/2021 8:24 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 26/10/2021 10:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>
>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>
>>>
>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so they are doing
>> well but it will be interesting to see how they go when the
>> competition ramps up.
>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike many other
>> EV's the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good, not sure if I like the
>> instrument panel but the rest looks good.
>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car buyers though.
>>
> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are more in the BMW
> market than the Hyundai one.

Not entirely

> https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/356066/new-hyundai-ioniq-6-targeting-tesla-model-3-311-mile-range

[..]

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On 26/10/2021 10:13 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 26/10/21 8:24 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 26/10/2021 10:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so they are doing
>>> well but it will be interesting to see how they go when the
>>> competition ramps up.
>>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike many other
>>> EV's the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good, not sure if I like the
>>> instrument panel but the rest looks good.
>>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car buyers though.
>>>
>> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are more in the BMW
>> market than the Hyundai one.
>
> I would say that based on price the Model 3 would be a competitor for
> the Hyundai, I would also think that the Hyundai would take sales from
> the Tesla seeing as how they are similarly specced and cheaper plus the
> Hyundai has a decent quality reputation whereas Tesla's are known for
> poor quality.

See my reply to Keith. Hyundai has a model named the Iqoniq 6 due to hit
the market in the next 18 months or so that will compete with the Tesla
head on:

> https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-news/2023-hyundai-ioniq-6-will-be-how-big-korean-brand-hints-at-what-to-expect-84865

If Tesla continues to make over-priced junk then I expect their fortunes
will take a massive turn for the worse once the rest of the car making
world catches up. If I was Musk, and thankfully I'm not :), I'd be
selling my shares while they're still worth something.

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On 26/10/2021 10:23 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 26/10/21 6:11 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 26/10/2021 11:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so they are doing
>>> well but it will be interesting to see how they go when the
>>> competition ramps up.
>>
>> Probably not all that well given that they make a pretty crap quality
>> car that is massively over-priced in this country.
>
> Car buyers in Australia have gotten used to Japanese car quality so I
> can't see too many suddenly accepting anything that isn't close to that
> standard.

**Well, I certainly am. Japanese cars are excellent quality and
reliability. Nonetheless, I see a lot of Rovers and Jeeps around the
place, along with plenty of VWs, Fords, and other horribly unreliable
junkers so clearly many people don't give a shit about reliability.

https://www.whatcar.com/news/2021-what-car-reliability-survey/n23397

Teslas are still WAY ahead of anything from Jeep (and, of course, Ford):

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/tesla-best-car-brands-ranking-consumer-reports-jd-power-2021-2?r=US&IR=T

>>
>>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike many other
>>> EV's the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good, not sure if I like the
>>> instrument panel but the rest looks good.
>>
>> It's okay. Just another characterless car to me.
>
> I thought that it looked OK compared to many other EV's whose makers
> seem to feel the need to make them look as ugly as possible.
>>
>>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car buyers though.
>>
>> They're stupid money. Anyone who buys an electric car now is off their
>> rocker, as manufacturers have only scratched the surface as to what
>> you get for your money.
>>
>>
>
> It would need to be at least $35k less to be getting close to its right
> price.

**OK. Oh, BTW, did you enjoy your drive of a Tesla? Or have you never
driven one?

One of my clients sold his Tesla Model 3 and bought the newer (made in
China) one. He reckons it is a hugely practical and enjoyable drive.
Quick, capable and quiet. One of his other cars is a 4 year old Ferrari
(dunno which model). He tells me that the Ferrari has the edge in
handling, but the Tesla is quicker in a straight line. And MUCH less
expensive to buy and run. Bang for Buck, almost any model Tesla is a
compelling buy, when compared with cars of similar performance. Of
course, if you're only judging a car on it's boot space...

On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:24:15 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

> I almost got a first row seat in a Tesla crash this morning when one
> came up from behind on the Caloundra Road and changed lanes through the
> narrowing gap between the rear of my car and the front of a truck.

You were being overtaken by a truck?

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On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:16:40 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

> On 26/10/2021 5:13 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 26/10/2021 4:46 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 26/10/2021 8:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>> As you say maybe not
>>>
>>> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/10/hertz-to-purchase-100000-tesla-model-3s-for-its-rental-fleet/
>>
>> Did you think Trevor's link didn't work or something Keith? :)
>>
> Similar story different link.OK?

Nope.
Why post a different link to a "similar" story keithy?

alvey

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