On 29/10/21 9:55 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 28/10/2021 9:30 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 28/10/21 9:42 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 10/27/2021 9:55 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 27/10/2021 9:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 27/10/2021 6:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I was talking about SH EV's so the range of new models does come
>>>>>> into it.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think too many people are buying SH EVs at present.
>>>>
>>>> People are going nuts over used cars at the moment, and I don't know
>>>> why EV's would be any different.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>   yeah, even my Jeep is appreciating....$600 to $5,500 (very clean
>>> Limited, with *all* the good bits).. :)))
>>> (
>>
>> Its pretty weird, my 2002 C240 cost me $7000 bit over 4.5 yrs ago and
>> its now worth about the same as I paid for it.
>>
>>
> I paid $7200 for the MX-5 5 years ago, now ones with significantly more
> mileage seem to be going for around $16K

Not surprising, early model MX5's are almost old and rare enough to be
"collectable".

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Daryl

On 10/28/2021 8:20 AM, alvey wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 17:30:59 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>
>> On 27/10/2021 5:39 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:24:15 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>>> I almost got a first row seat in a Tesla crash this morning when one
>>>> came up from behind on the Caloundra Road and changed lanes through the
>>>> narrowing gap between the rear of my car and the front of a truck.
>>> You were being overtaken by a truck?
>>>
>> You obviously have never driven down Caloundra Road approaching the Aura
>> roundabout at 07:45. The queue stretches back about a kilometer. The
>> lane that I was in was doing about 10km/hr, the other lane queue was
>> about 50 metre shorter.
>>
>> Have you never driven in heavy traffic?
> And to think that you once had a shot at me over a minor grammatical!
>
> How does this work keith?
> "The lane that I was in was doing about 10km/hr, the other lane queue was
> about 50 metre shorter".
>
> And if you set the "heavy traffic" bar at "Caloundra Road approaching the
> Aura roudabout" level, (Another Clunker: From which direction is unclear),
> then there'd be no-one in Oz who hasn't driven in "heavy traffic".
>
> Pity the insurance assessor reading your attempt to describe a bingle.
>
> Hey Der Der! Why haven't you jumped on keith for his use of "kilometer"?
> (He's got form for this keith). Don't tell me you still recall how you,
> once again, got your snout rubbed into your own words and have learnt from
> your mistake? That'd be a noteworthy first Fraudster. A 'What were you
> doing when Der Der showed that he'd learnt from a mistake for the first
> time' moment. Party time!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 Burn baby burn!!!!.... HAHAHAHA.

   Give it up avira. <G>

   (Just annuda wasted tag team event... :):):)

>
>
>
> alvey
>
>
>
>

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On 10/28/2021 12:46 PM, Clocky wrote:
> On 28/10/2021 5:51 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 28/10/2021 7:20 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 17:30:59 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/10/2021 5:39 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:24:15 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I almost got a first row seat in a Tesla crash this morning when one
>>>>>> came up from behind on the Caloundra Road and changed lanes
>>>>>> through the
>>>>>> narrowing gap between the rear of my car and the front of a truck.
>>>>>
>>>>> You were being overtaken by a truck?
>>>>>
>>>> You obviously have never driven down Caloundra Road approaching the
>>>> Aura
>>>> roundabout at 07:45. The queue stretches back about a kilometer. The
>>>> lane that I was in was doing about 10km/hr, the other lane queue was
>>>> about 50 metre shorter.
>>>>
>>>> Have you never driven in heavy traffic?
>>>
>>> And to think that you once had a shot at me over a minor grammatical!
>>>
>>> How does this work keith?
>>> "The lane that I was in was doing about 10km/hr, the other lane
>>> queue was
>>>   about 50 metre shorter".
>>>
>>> And if you set the "heavy traffic" bar at "Caloundra Road
>>> approaching the
>>> Aura roudabout" level, (Another Clunker: From which direction is
>>> unclear),
>>> then there'd be no-one in Oz who hasn't driven in "heavy traffic".
>>>
>>> Pity the insurance assessor reading your attempt to describe a bingle.
>>>
>>> Hey Der Der! Why haven't you jumped on keith for his use of
>>> "kilometer"?
>>> (He's got form for this keith). Don't tell me you still recall how you,
>>> once again, got your snout rubbed into your own words and have
>>> learnt from
>>> your mistake? That'd be a noteworthy first Fraudster. A 'What were you
>>> doing when Der Der showed that he'd learnt from a mistake for the first
>>> time' moment. Party time!
>>
>> Did anybody ever tell you that you are a snotty little arsehole? If
>> not, consider it done.
>>
>
> That's fucking rich coming from you, Mr. "I know English isn't your
> first language..." considering your butchering of you *first* language.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

  YOUR.

>
> Have you had yourself checked out yet?

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On 10/28/2021 1:57 PM, keithr0 wrote:
> On 28/10/2021 12:03 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 07:51:21 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>> On 28/10/2021 7:20 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 17:30:59 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/10/2021 5:39 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:24:15 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I almost got a first row seat in a Tesla crash this morning when
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> came up from behind on the Caloundra Road and changed lanes
>>>>>>> through the
>>>>>>> narrowing gap between the rear of my car and the front of a truck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You were being overtaken by a truck?
>>>>>>
>>>>> You obviously have never driven down Caloundra Road approaching
>>>>> the Aura
>>>>> roundabout at 07:45. The queue stretches back about a kilometer. The
>>>>> lane that I was in was doing about 10km/hr, the other lane queue was
>>>>> about 50 metre shorter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you never driven in heavy traffic?
>>>>
>>>> And to think that you once had a shot at me over a minor grammatical!
>>>>
>>>> How does this work keith?
>>>> "The lane that I was in was doing about 10km/hr, the other lane
>>>> queue was
>>>>    about 50 metre shorter".
>>>>
>>>> And if you set the "heavy traffic" bar at "Caloundra Road
>>>> approaching the
>>>> Aura roudabout" level, (Another Clunker: From which direction is
>>>> unclear),
>>>> then there'd be no-one in Oz who hasn't driven in "heavy traffic".
>>>>
>>>> Pity the insurance assessor reading your attempt to describe a bingle.
>>>>
>>>> Hey Der Der! Why haven't you jumped on keith for his use of
>>>> "kilometer"?
>>>> (He's got form for this keith). Don't tell me you still recall how
>>>> you,
>>>> once again, got your snout rubbed into your own words and have
>>>> learnt from
>>>> your mistake? That'd be a noteworthy first Fraudster. A 'What were you
>>>> doing when Der Der showed that he'd learnt from a mistake for the
>>>> first
>>>> time' moment. Party time!
>>>
>>> Did anybody ever tell you that you are a snotty little arsehole? If
>>> not,
>>> consider it done.
>>
>> So that's your version of shooting someone down in flames then. Scary.
>
> Nope just an honest and considered character assessment.

~~~~~~~~~

   +1

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On 10/28/2021 8:10 AM, Daryl wrote:
> On 27/10/21 11:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 27/10/2021 9:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 27/10/21 8:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 27/10/2021 6:06 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 27/10/21 6:32 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 8:24 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 10:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so they
>>>>>>>>> are doing well but it will be interesting to see how they go
>>>>>>>>> when the competition ramps up.
>>>>>>>>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike many
>>>>>>>>> other EV's the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good, not sure if
>>>>>>>>> I like the instrument panel but the rest looks good.
>>>>>>>>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car buyers
>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are more in
>>>>>>>> the BMW market than the Hyundai one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not entirely
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/356066/new-hyundai-ioniq-6-targeting-tesla-model-3-311-mile-range
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People drive a Tesla to be seen driving a Tesla, a Hyundai
>>>>>> doesn't exactly have the same cachet.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's possible but people like that really don't have a clue if
>>>>> they think that a Tesla is better than a Hyundai.
>>>>>
>>>> Is a BMW really better than a Hyundai?
>>>
>>> If my limited experience with both brands is of any use I'd say that
>>> the BMW would be much nicer to drive, better handling, better brakes
>>> and just a more solid feel but the Hyundai would be cheaper to own
>>> and maintain.
>>>
>>>   It's all perception, the Hyundai
>>>> will do just about anything that the BMW can legally do on the road
>>>> so why do people pay the extra money for one?
>>>
>>> Some for the driving experience, others for brand snobbery and some
>>> who grew up in Europe so they buy brands they know.
>>> If someone just wants to get from a to b a Hyundai would be hard to
>>> beat but they are hardly interesting or exciting.
>>>
>> I still think that the average BMW owner buys one because it's a BMW,
>> just as the average Tesla owner buys one because it's a Tesla.
>
> Agree that that is true for many buyers but certainly not all.
> Fortunately there are many brands of cars to satisfy the many opinions
> and reasons why people buy whatever they buy.
> Some people even buy Mazda's which I wouldn't have if you gave me one
> for free:-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 Hmmm, we had for quite a few years a Mazda RX4 13B.....Apart from fuel
usage, and frequent ign. timing adjustment it was a reliable rocket.
Loved it. :)

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On 10/27/2021 11:03 PM, keithr0 wrote:
> On 27/10/2021 9:03 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 27/10/2021 6:32 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 27/10/2021 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>>> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are more in the
>>>>> BMW market than the Hyundai one.
>>>>
>>>> Not entirely
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/356066/new-hyundai-ioniq-6-targeting-tesla-model-3-311-mile-range
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> People drive a Tesla to be seen driving a Tesla, a Hyundai doesn't
>>> exactly have the same cachet.
>>
>> I'd agree that Hyundai is no more "exotic" than a Toyota or any other
>> basic bread and butter marque in terms of being a "status symbol",
>> but then I'd also suggest that most people probably wouldn't know
>> what a Tesla was if they were standing right in front of one.
>>
>> They certainly don't have anywhere near the same image as a Benz or a
>> BMW....
>
> That's from the perspective of a middle aged car enthusiast, some-one
> on the up and up in their twenties probably has a different world view.

~~~~~~~

 BMW = Bavarian money waster....

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On 10/27/2021 11:03 PM, keithr0 wrote:
> On 27/10/2021 9:03 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 27/10/2021 6:32 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 27/10/2021 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>>> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are more in the
>>>>> BMW market than the Hyundai one.
>>>>
>>>> Not entirely
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/356066/new-hyundai-ioniq-6-targeting-tesla-model-3-311-mile-range
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> People drive a Tesla to be seen driving a Tesla, a Hyundai doesn't
>>> exactly have the same cachet.
>>
>> I'd agree that Hyundai is no more "exotic" than a Toyota or any other
>> basic bread and butter marque in terms of being a "status symbol",
>> but then I'd also suggest that most people probably wouldn't know
>> what a Tesla was if they were standing right in front of one.
>>
>> They certainly don't have anywhere near the same image as a Benz or a
>> BMW....
>
> That's from the perspective of a middle aged car enthusiast, some-one
> on the up and up in their twenties probably has a different world view.

~~~~~~~

 BMW = Bavarian money waster....

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On 29/10/21 2:42 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 10/28/2021 8:10 AM, Daryl wrote:
>> On 27/10/21 11:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 27/10/2021 9:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 27/10/21 8:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 27/10/2021 6:06 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/10/21 6:32 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 8:24 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 10:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so they
>>>>>>>>>> are doing well but it will be interesting to see how they go
>>>>>>>>>> when the competition ramps up.
>>>>>>>>>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike many
>>>>>>>>>> other EV's the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good, not sure if
>>>>>>>>>> I like the instrument panel but the rest looks good.
>>>>>>>>>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car buyers
>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are more in
>>>>>>>>> the BMW market than the Hyundai one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not entirely
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/356066/new-hyundai-ioniq-6-targeting-tesla-model-3-311-mile-range
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People drive a Tesla to be seen driving a Tesla, a Hyundai
>>>>>>> doesn't exactly have the same cachet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's possible but people like that really don't have a clue if
>>>>>> they think that a Tesla is better than a Hyundai.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Is a BMW really better than a Hyundai?
>>>>
>>>> If my limited experience with both brands is of any use I'd say that
>>>> the BMW would be much nicer to drive, better handling, better brakes
>>>> and just a more solid feel but the Hyundai would be cheaper to own
>>>> and maintain.
>>>>
>>>>   It's all perception, the Hyundai
>>>>> will do just about anything that the BMW can legally do on the road
>>>>> so why do people pay the extra money for one?
>>>>
>>>> Some for the driving experience, others for brand snobbery and some
>>>> who grew up in Europe so they buy brands they know.
>>>> If someone just wants to get from a to b a Hyundai would be hard to
>>>> beat but they are hardly interesting or exciting.
>>>>
>>> I still think that the average BMW owner buys one because it's a BMW,
>>> just as the average Tesla owner buys one because it's a Tesla.
>>
>> Agree that that is true for many buyers but certainly not all.
>> Fortunately there are many brands of cars to satisfy the many opinions
>> and reasons why people buy whatever they buy.
>> Some people even buy Mazda's which I wouldn't have if you gave me one
>> for free:-)
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>  Hmmm, we had for quite a few years a Mazda RX4 13B.....Apart from fuel
> usage, and frequent ign. timing adjustment it was a reliable rocket.
> Loved it. :)
>
>
Worth a pretty penny now, I bet you wished that you still had it:-)

--
Daryl

On 29/10/21 2:47 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 10/27/2021 11:03 PM, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 27/10/2021 9:03 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 27/10/2021 6:32 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 27/10/2021 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are more in the
>>>>>> BMW market than the Hyundai one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not entirely
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/356066/new-hyundai-ioniq-6-targeting-tesla-model-3-311-mile-range
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> People drive a Tesla to be seen driving a Tesla, a Hyundai doesn't
>>>> exactly have the same cachet.
>>>
>>> I'd agree that Hyundai is no more "exotic" than a Toyota or any other
>>> basic bread and butter marque in terms of being a "status symbol",
>>> but then I'd also suggest that most people probably wouldn't know
>>> what a Tesla was if they were standing right in front of one.
>>>
>>> They certainly don't have anywhere near the same image as a Benz or a
>>> BMW....
>>
>> That's from the perspective of a middle aged car enthusiast, some-one
>> on the up and up in their twenties probably has a different world view.
>
> ~~~~~~~
>
>  BMW = Bavarian money waster....
>
>
They can be that but I suspect that many BMW owners are well aware of
the pitfalls but still buy them because they are such a great car to drive.
Son's 2008 M3 was expensive to buy and costs a mint to maintain but its
a brilliant thing to drive, the 4.0lt NA V8 makes amazing power and the
sound of it at full noise is something to behold.

--
Daryl

On 10/29/2021 3:03 PM, Daryl wrote:
> On 29/10/21 2:42 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/28/2021 8:10 AM, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 27/10/21 11:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 27/10/2021 9:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 27/10/21 8:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 6:06 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 6:32 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 8:24 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 10:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so they
>>>>>>>>>>> are doing well but it will be interesting to see how they go
>>>>>>>>>>> when the competition ramps up.
>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike
>>>>>>>>>>> many other EV's the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good, not
>>>>>>>>>>> sure if I like the instrument panel but the rest looks good.
>>>>>>>>>>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car buyers
>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are more in
>>>>>>>>>> the BMW market than the Hyundai one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not entirely
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/356066/new-hyundai-ioniq-6-targeting-tesla-model-3-311-mile-range
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> People drive a Tesla to be seen driving a Tesla, a Hyundai
>>>>>>>> doesn't exactly have the same cachet.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's possible but people like that really don't have a clue if
>>>>>>> they think that a Tesla is better than a Hyundai.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is a BMW really better than a Hyundai?
>>>>>
>>>>> If my limited experience with both brands is of any use I'd say
>>>>> that the BMW would be much nicer to drive, better handling, better
>>>>> brakes and just a more solid feel but the Hyundai would be cheaper
>>>>> to own and maintain.
>>>>>
>>>>>   It's all perception, the Hyundai
>>>>>> will do just about anything that the BMW can legally do on the
>>>>>> road so why do people pay the extra money for one?
>>>>>
>>>>> Some for the driving experience, others for brand snobbery and
>>>>> some who grew up in Europe so they buy brands they know.
>>>>> If someone just wants to get from a to b a Hyundai would be hard
>>>>> to beat but they are hardly interesting or exciting.
>>>>>
>>>> I still think that the average BMW owner buys one because it's a
>>>> BMW, just as the average Tesla owner buys one because it's a Tesla.
>>>
>>> Agree that that is true for many buyers but certainly not all.
>>> Fortunately there are many brands of cars to satisfy the many
>>> opinions and reasons why people buy whatever they buy.
>>> Some people even buy Mazda's which I wouldn't have if you gave me
>>> one for free:-)
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   Hmmm, we had for quite a few years a Mazda RX4 13B.....Apart from
>> fuel usage, and frequent ign. timing adjustment it was a reliable
>> rocket. Loved it. :)
>>
>>
> Worth a pretty penny now, I bet you wished that you still had it:-)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 The thing was it sat in the local car yard for months early '80's. (
Its a rotary, fuck that!, said the local er, experts) It had been
converted to 5 speed manual, Fastidiously maintained and locally owned
since new. (Narooma)

   We got it for $3,400 and enjoyed every minute of ownership. As you
say, selling was a big blue!. Oh well.

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Spafford, 1992

On 10/29/2021 3:14 PM, Daryl wrote:
> On 29/10/21 2:47 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/27/2021 11:03 PM, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 27/10/2021 9:03 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 27/10/2021 6:32 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 27/10/2021 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are more in
>>>>>>> the BMW market than the Hyundai one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not entirely
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/356066/new-hyundai-ioniq-6-targeting-tesla-model-3-311-mile-range
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> People drive a Tesla to be seen driving a Tesla, a Hyundai doesn't
>>>>> exactly have the same cachet.
>>>>
>>>> I'd agree that Hyundai is no more "exotic" than a Toyota or any
>>>> other basic bread and butter marque in terms of being a "status
>>>> symbol", but then I'd also suggest that most people probably
>>>> wouldn't know what a Tesla was if they were standing right in front
>>>> of one.
>>>>
>>>> They certainly don't have anywhere near the same image as a Benz or
>>>> a BMW....
>>>
>>> That's from the perspective of a middle aged car enthusiast,
>>> some-one on the up and up in their twenties probably has a different
>>> world view.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~
>>
>>   BMW = Bavarian money waster....
>>
>>
> They can be that but I suspect that many BMW owners are well aware of
> the pitfalls but still buy them because they are such a great car to
> drive.
> Son's 2008 M3 was expensive to buy and costs a mint to maintain but
> its a brilliant thing to drive, the 4.0lt NA V8 makes amazing power
> and the sound of it at full noise is something to behold.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 Agreed, that line is just a throwaway cheap shot. :)))

--
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difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." — Gene
Spafford, 1992

On 29/10/21 6:55 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 10/29/2021 3:03 PM, Daryl wrote:
>> On 29/10/21 2:42 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 10/28/2021 8:10 AM, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 27/10/21 11:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 27/10/2021 9:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/10/21 8:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 6:06 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 6:32 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 8:24 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 10:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so they
>>>>>>>>>>>> are doing well but it will be interesting to see how they go
>>>>>>>>>>>> when the competition ramps up.
>>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike
>>>>>>>>>>>> many other EV's the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good, not
>>>>>>>>>>>> sure if I like the instrument panel but the rest looks good.
>>>>>>>>>>>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car buyers
>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are more in
>>>>>>>>>>> the BMW market than the Hyundai one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not entirely
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/356066/new-hyundai-ioniq-6-targeting-tesla-model-3-311-mile-range
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> People drive a Tesla to be seen driving a Tesla, a Hyundai
>>>>>>>>> doesn't exactly have the same cachet.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's possible but people like that really don't have a clue if
>>>>>>>> they think that a Tesla is better than a Hyundai.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is a BMW really better than a Hyundai?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If my limited experience with both brands is of any use I'd say
>>>>>> that the BMW would be much nicer to drive, better handling, better
>>>>>> brakes and just a more solid feel but the Hyundai would be cheaper
>>>>>> to own and maintain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   It's all perception, the Hyundai
>>>>>>> will do just about anything that the BMW can legally do on the
>>>>>>> road so why do people pay the extra money for one?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some for the driving experience, others for brand snobbery and
>>>>>> some who grew up in Europe so they buy brands they know.
>>>>>> If someone just wants to get from a to b a Hyundai would be hard
>>>>>> to beat but they are hardly interesting or exciting.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I still think that the average BMW owner buys one because it's a
>>>>> BMW, just as the average Tesla owner buys one because it's a Tesla.
>>>>
>>>> Agree that that is true for many buyers but certainly not all.
>>>> Fortunately there are many brands of cars to satisfy the many
>>>> opinions and reasons why people buy whatever they buy.
>>>> Some people even buy Mazda's which I wouldn't have if you gave me
>>>> one for free:-)
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>   Hmmm, we had for quite a few years a Mazda RX4 13B.....Apart from
>>> fuel usage, and frequent ign. timing adjustment it was a reliable
>>> rocket. Loved it. :)
>>>
>>>
>> Worth a pretty penny now, I bet you wished that you still had it:-)
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>  The thing was it sat in the local car yard for months early '80's. (
> Its a rotary, fuck that!, said the local er, experts) It had been
> converted to 5 speed manual, Fastidiously maintained and locally owned
> since new. (Narooma)
>
>    We got it for $3,400 and enjoyed every minute of ownership. As you
> say, selling was a big blue!. Oh well.
>
>
>
Hindsight is a wonderful thing, wish I'd kept my Mk1 GT Cortina:-)

--
Daryl

On 29/10/2021 11:07 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 29/10/21 6:55 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/29/2021 3:03 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 29/10/21 2:42 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>> On 10/28/2021 8:10 AM, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 27/10/21 11:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 9:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 8:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 6:06 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 6:32 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 8:24 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 10:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are doing well but it will be interesting to see how
>>>>>>>>>>>>> they go when the competition ramps up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike
>>>>>>>>>>>>> many other EV's the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure if I like the instrument panel but the rest looks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car buyers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are more
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the BMW market than the Hyundai one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/356066/new-hyundai-ioniq-6-targeting-tesla-model-3-311-mile-range
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> People drive a Tesla to be seen driving a Tesla, a Hyundai
>>>>>>>>>> doesn't exactly have the same cachet.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's possible but people like that really don't have a clue
>>>>>>>>> if they think that a Tesla is better than a Hyundai.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Is a BMW really better than a Hyundai?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If my limited experience with both brands is of any use I'd say
>>>>>>> that the BMW would be much nicer to drive, better handling,
>>>>>>> better brakes and just a more solid feel but the Hyundai would
>>>>>>> be cheaper to own and maintain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   It's all perception, the Hyundai
>>>>>>>> will do just about anything that the BMW can legally do on the
>>>>>>>> road so why do people pay the extra money for one?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some for the driving experience, others for brand snobbery and
>>>>>>> some who grew up in Europe so they buy brands they know.
>>>>>>> If someone just wants to get from a to b a Hyundai would be hard
>>>>>>> to beat but they are hardly interesting or exciting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I still think that the average BMW owner buys one because it's a
>>>>>> BMW, just as the average Tesla owner buys one because it's a Tesla.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agree that that is true for many buyers but certainly not all.
>>>>> Fortunately there are many brands of cars to satisfy the many
>>>>> opinions and reasons why people buy whatever they buy.
>>>>> Some people even buy Mazda's which I wouldn't have if you gave me
>>>>> one for free:-)
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>   Hmmm, we had for quite a few years a Mazda RX4 13B.....Apart from
>>>> fuel usage, and frequent ign. timing adjustment it was a reliable
>>>> rocket. Loved it. :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Worth a pretty penny now, I bet you wished that you still had it:-)
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   The thing was it sat in the local car yard for months early '80's.
>> ( Its a rotary, fuck that!, said the local er, experts) It had been
>> converted to 5 speed manual, Fastidiously maintained and locally
>> owned since new. (Narooma)
>>
>>     We got it for $3,400 and enjoyed every minute of ownership. As
>> you say, selling was a big blue!. Oh well.
>>
>>
>>
> Hindsight is a wonderful thing, wish I'd kept my Mk1 GT Cortina:-)
>

what would my 1948 Vauxhall Wyvern be worth now I wonder if it was still
in the same condition as when I owned it.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 30/10/2021 9:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 29/10/2021 11:07 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 29/10/21 6:55 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2021 3:03 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 29/10/21 2:42 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>> On 10/28/2021 8:10 AM, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/10/21 11:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 9:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 8:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 6:06 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 6:32 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 8:24 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 10:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are doing well but it will be interesting to see how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they go when the competition ramps up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many other EV's the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure if I like the instrument panel but the rest looks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car buyers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the BMW market than the Hyundai one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/356066/new-hyundai-ioniq-6-targeting-tesla-model-3-311-mile-range
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> People drive a Tesla to be seen driving a Tesla, a Hyundai
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't exactly have the same cachet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's possible but people like that really don't have a clue
>>>>>>>>>> if they think that a Tesla is better than a Hyundai.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is a BMW really better than a Hyundai?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If my limited experience with both brands is of any use I'd say
>>>>>>>> that the BMW would be much nicer to drive, better handling,
>>>>>>>> better brakes and just a more solid feel but the Hyundai would
>>>>>>>> be cheaper to own and maintain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   It's all perception, the Hyundai
>>>>>>>>> will do just about anything that the BMW can legally do on the
>>>>>>>>> road so why do people pay the extra money for one?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some for the driving experience, others for brand snobbery and
>>>>>>>> some who grew up in Europe so they buy brands they know.
>>>>>>>> If someone just wants to get from a to b a Hyundai would be hard
>>>>>>>> to beat but they are hardly interesting or exciting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still think that the average BMW owner buys one because it's a
>>>>>>> BMW, just as the average Tesla owner buys one because it's a Tesla.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agree that that is true for many buyers but certainly not all.
>>>>>> Fortunately there are many brands of cars to satisfy the many
>>>>>> opinions and reasons why people buy whatever they buy.
>>>>>> Some people even buy Mazda's which I wouldn't have if you gave me
>>>>>> one for free:-)
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>
>>>>>   Hmmm, we had for quite a few years a Mazda RX4 13B.....Apart from
>>>>> fuel usage, and frequent ign. timing adjustment it was a reliable
>>>>> rocket. Loved it. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Worth a pretty penny now, I bet you wished that you still had it:-)
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>   The thing was it sat in the local car yard for months early '80's.
>>> ( Its a rotary, fuck that!, said the local er, experts) It had been
>>> converted to 5 speed manual, Fastidiously maintained and locally
>>> owned since new. (Narooma)
>>>
>>>     We got it for $3,400 and enjoyed every minute of ownership. As
>>> you say, selling was a big blue!. Oh well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing, wish I'd kept my Mk1 GT Cortina:-)
>>
>
> what would my 1948 Vauxhall Wyvern be worth now I wonder if it was still
> in the same condition as when I owned it.
>
Since it was an eminently forgettable car - not much

On 30/10/2021 8:43 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 30/10/2021 9:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 29/10/2021 11:07 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 29/10/21 6:55 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>> On 10/29/2021 3:03 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 29/10/21 2:42 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/28/2021 8:10 AM, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 11:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 9:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 8:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 6:06 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 6:32 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 8:24 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 10:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are doing well but it will be interesting to see how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they go when the competition ramps up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many other EV's the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure if I like the instrument panel but the rest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buyers though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the BMW market than the Hyundai one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/356066/new-hyundai-ioniq-6-targeting-tesla-model-3-311-mile-range
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> People drive a Tesla to be seen driving a Tesla, a Hyundai
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't exactly have the same cachet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's possible but people like that really don't have a clue
>>>>>>>>>>> if they think that a Tesla is better than a Hyundai.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is a BMW really better than a Hyundai?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If my limited experience with both brands is of any use I'd say
>>>>>>>>> that the BMW would be much nicer to drive, better handling,
>>>>>>>>> better brakes and just a more solid feel but the Hyundai would
>>>>>>>>> be cheaper to own and maintain.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   It's all perception, the Hyundai
>>>>>>>>>> will do just about anything that the BMW can legally do on the
>>>>>>>>>> road so why do people pay the extra money for one?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some for the driving experience, others for brand snobbery and
>>>>>>>>> some who grew up in Europe so they buy brands they know.
>>>>>>>>> If someone just wants to get from a to b a Hyundai would be
>>>>>>>>> hard to beat but they are hardly interesting or exciting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I still think that the average BMW owner buys one because it's a
>>>>>>>> BMW, just as the average Tesla owner buys one because it's a Tesla.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agree that that is true for many buyers but certainly not all.
>>>>>>> Fortunately there are many brands of cars to satisfy the many
>>>>>>> opinions and reasons why people buy whatever they buy.
>>>>>>> Some people even buy Mazda's which I wouldn't have if you gave me
>>>>>>> one for free:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Hmmm, we had for quite a few years a Mazda RX4 13B.....Apart
>>>>>> from fuel usage, and frequent ign. timing adjustment it was a
>>>>>> reliable rocket. Loved it. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Worth a pretty penny now, I bet you wished that you still had it:-)
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>   The thing was it sat in the local car yard for months early '80's.
>>>> ( Its a rotary, fuck that!, said the local er, experts) It had been
>>>> converted to 5 speed manual, Fastidiously maintained and locally
>>>> owned since new. (Narooma)
>>>>
>>>>     We got it for $3,400 and enjoyed every minute of ownership. As
>>>> you say, selling was a big blue!. Oh well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing, wish I'd kept my Mk1 GT Cortina:-)
>>>
>>
>> what would my 1948 Vauxhall Wyvern be worth now I wonder if it was
>> still in the same condition as when I owned it.
>>
> Since it was an eminently forgettable car - not much

Some would say that about 50's trucks but even for those there is a
sucker ready and waiting to pay an enormous load covid tax for one.

On 30/10/2021 7:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 29/10/2021 11:07 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 29/10/21 6:55 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 10/29/2021 3:03 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 29/10/21 2:42 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>> On 10/28/2021 8:10 AM, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/10/21 11:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 9:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 8:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 6:06 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 6:32 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 8:24 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 10:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are doing well but it will be interesting to see how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they go when the competition ramps up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many other EV's the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure if I like the instrument panel but the rest looks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car buyers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the BMW market than the Hyundai one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/356066/new-hyundai-ioniq-6-targeting-tesla-model-3-311-mile-range
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> People drive a Tesla to be seen driving a Tesla, a Hyundai
>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't exactly have the same cachet.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's possible but people like that really don't have a clue
>>>>>>>>>> if they think that a Tesla is better than a Hyundai.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is a BMW really better than a Hyundai?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If my limited experience with both brands is of any use I'd say
>>>>>>>> that the BMW would be much nicer to drive, better handling,
>>>>>>>> better brakes and just a more solid feel but the Hyundai would
>>>>>>>> be cheaper to own and maintain.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>   It's all perception, the Hyundai
>>>>>>>>> will do just about anything that the BMW can legally do on the
>>>>>>>>> road so why do people pay the extra money for one?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some for the driving experience, others for brand snobbery and
>>>>>>>> some who grew up in Europe so they buy brands they know.
>>>>>>>> If someone just wants to get from a to b a Hyundai would be hard
>>>>>>>> to beat but they are hardly interesting or exciting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still think that the average BMW owner buys one because it's a
>>>>>>> BMW, just as the average Tesla owner buys one because it's a Tesla.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agree that that is true for many buyers but certainly not all.
>>>>>> Fortunately there are many brands of cars to satisfy the many
>>>>>> opinions and reasons why people buy whatever they buy.
>>>>>> Some people even buy Mazda's which I wouldn't have if you gave me
>>>>>> one for free:-)
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>
>>>>>   Hmmm, we had for quite a few years a Mazda RX4 13B.....Apart from
>>>>> fuel usage, and frequent ign. timing adjustment it was a reliable
>>>>> rocket. Loved it. :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Worth a pretty penny now, I bet you wished that you still had it:-)
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>   The thing was it sat in the local car yard for months early '80's.
>>> ( Its a rotary, fuck that!, said the local er, experts) It had been
>>> converted to 5 speed manual, Fastidiously maintained and locally
>>> owned since new. (Narooma)
>>>
>>>     We got it for $3,400 and enjoyed every minute of ownership. As
>>> you say, selling was a big blue!. Oh well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing, wish I'd kept my Mk1 GT Cortina:-)
>>
>
> what would my 1948 Vauxhall Wyvern be worth now I wonder if it was still
> in the same condition as when I owned it.
>

There is a 1950 Wyvern on justcars for $11,500.
Scroll down:

https://www.justcars.com.au/cars/for-sale/vauxhall

On 30/10/21 11:43 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 30/10/2021 9:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 29/10/2021 11:07 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 29/10/21 6:55 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>> On 10/29/2021 3:03 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 29/10/21 2:42 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/28/2021 8:10 AM, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 11:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 9:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 8:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 6:06 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 6:32 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 8:24 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 10:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are doing well but it will be interesting to see how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they go when the competition ramps up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many other EV's the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure if I like the instrument panel but the rest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buyers though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the BMW market than the Hyundai one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/356066/new-hyundai-ioniq-6-targeting-tesla-model-3-311-mile-range
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> People drive a Tesla to be seen driving a Tesla, a Hyundai
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't exactly have the same cachet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's possible but people like that really don't have a clue
>>>>>>>>>>> if they think that a Tesla is better than a Hyundai.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is a BMW really better than a Hyundai?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If my limited experience with both brands is of any use I'd say
>>>>>>>>> that the BMW would be much nicer to drive, better handling,
>>>>>>>>> better brakes and just a more solid feel but the Hyundai would
>>>>>>>>> be cheaper to own and maintain.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   It's all perception, the Hyundai
>>>>>>>>>> will do just about anything that the BMW can legally do on the
>>>>>>>>>> road so why do people pay the extra money for one?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some for the driving experience, others for brand snobbery and
>>>>>>>>> some who grew up in Europe so they buy brands they know.
>>>>>>>>> If someone just wants to get from a to b a Hyundai would be
>>>>>>>>> hard to beat but they are hardly interesting or exciting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I still think that the average BMW owner buys one because it's a
>>>>>>>> BMW, just as the average Tesla owner buys one because it's a Tesla.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agree that that is true for many buyers but certainly not all.
>>>>>>> Fortunately there are many brands of cars to satisfy the many
>>>>>>> opinions and reasons why people buy whatever they buy.
>>>>>>> Some people even buy Mazda's which I wouldn't have if you gave me
>>>>>>> one for free:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Hmmm, we had for quite a few years a Mazda RX4 13B.....Apart
>>>>>> from fuel usage, and frequent ign. timing adjustment it was a
>>>>>> reliable rocket. Loved it. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Worth a pretty penny now, I bet you wished that you still had it:-)
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>   The thing was it sat in the local car yard for months early '80's.
>>>> ( Its a rotary, fuck that!, said the local er, experts) It had been
>>>> converted to 5 speed manual, Fastidiously maintained and locally
>>>> owned since new. (Narooma)
>>>>
>>>>     We got it for $3,400 and enjoyed every minute of ownership. As
>>>> you say, selling was a big blue!. Oh well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing, wish I'd kept my Mk1 GT Cortina:-)
>>>
>>
>> what would my 1948 Vauxhall Wyvern be worth now I wonder if it was
>> still in the same condition as when I owned it.
>>
> Since it was an eminently forgettable car - not much

Not a car that too many people would think of as a "classic" or
collectable so as you say not worth much.
There was one for sale in Vic about 6yrs ago and the price was about $6k.

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Daryl

On 30/10/2021 12:16 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 30/10/21 11:43 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 30/10/2021 9:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 29/10/2021 11:07 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 29/10/21 6:55 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>> On 10/29/2021 3:03 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 29/10/21 2:42 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>>>> On 10/28/2021 8:10 AM, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 11:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 9:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 8:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 6:06 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 6:32 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 8:24 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 10:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are doing well but it will be interesting to see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how they go when the competition ramps up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many other EV's the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure if I like the instrument panel but the rest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buyers though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more in the BMW market than the Hyundai one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/356066/new-hyundai-ioniq-6-targeting-tesla-model-3-311-mile-range
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> People drive a Tesla to be seen driving a Tesla, a Hyundai
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't exactly have the same cachet.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's possible but people like that really don't have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> clue if they think that a Tesla is better than a Hyundai.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Is a BMW really better than a Hyundai?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If my limited experience with both brands is of any use I'd
>>>>>>>>>> say that the BMW would be much nicer to drive, better
>>>>>>>>>> handling, better brakes and just a more solid feel but the
>>>>>>>>>> Hyundai would be cheaper to own and maintain.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>   It's all perception, the Hyundai
>>>>>>>>>>> will do just about anything that the BMW can legally do on
>>>>>>>>>>> the road so why do people pay the extra money for one?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some for the driving experience, others for brand snobbery and
>>>>>>>>>> some who grew up in Europe so they buy brands they know.
>>>>>>>>>> If someone just wants to get from a to b a Hyundai would be
>>>>>>>>>> hard to beat but they are hardly interesting or exciting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I still think that the average BMW owner buys one because it's
>>>>>>>>> a BMW, just as the average Tesla owner buys one because it's a
>>>>>>>>> Tesla.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Agree that that is true for many buyers but certainly not all.
>>>>>>>> Fortunately there are many brands of cars to satisfy the many
>>>>>>>> opinions and reasons why people buy whatever they buy.
>>>>>>>> Some people even buy Mazda's which I wouldn't have if you gave
>>>>>>>> me one for free:-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Hmmm, we had for quite a few years a Mazda RX4 13B.....Apart
>>>>>>> from fuel usage, and frequent ign. timing adjustment it was a
>>>>>>> reliable rocket. Loved it. :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Worth a pretty penny now, I bet you wished that you still had it:-)
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>
>>>>>   The thing was it sat in the local car yard for months early
>>>>> '80's. ( Its a rotary, fuck that!, said the local er, experts) It
>>>>> had been converted to 5 speed manual, Fastidiously maintained and
>>>>> locally owned since new. (Narooma)
>>>>>
>>>>>     We got it for $3,400 and enjoyed every minute of ownership. As
>>>>> you say, selling was a big blue!. Oh well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing, wish I'd kept my Mk1 GT Cortina:-)
>>>>
>>>
>>> what would my 1948 Vauxhall Wyvern be worth now I wonder if it was
>>> still in the same condition as when I owned it.
>>>
>> Since it was an eminently forgettable car - not much
>
> Not a car that too many people would think of as a "classic" or
> collectable so as you say not worth much.
> There was one for sale in Vic about 6yrs ago and the price was about $6k.
>
That's about $5.9K too much.

On 10/30/2021 12:28 PM, Clocky wrote:
> On 30/10/2021 7:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 29/10/2021 11:07 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 29/10/21 6:55 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>> On 10/29/2021 3:03 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 29/10/21 2:42 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/28/2021 8:10 AM, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 11:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 9:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 8:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 6:06 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 6:32 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 8:24 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 10:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are doing well but it will be interesting to see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how they go when the competition ramps up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many other EV's the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure if I like the instrument panel but the rest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buyers though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more in the BMW market than the Hyundai one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/356066/new-hyundai-ioniq-6-targeting-tesla-model-3-311-mile-range
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> People drive a Tesla to be seen driving a Tesla, a Hyundai
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't exactly have the same cachet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's possible but people like that really don't have a
>>>>>>>>>>> clue if they think that a Tesla is better than a Hyundai.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is a BMW really better than a Hyundai?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If my limited experience with both brands is of any use I'd
>>>>>>>>> say that the BMW would be much nicer to drive, better
>>>>>>>>> handling, better brakes and just a more solid feel but the
>>>>>>>>> Hyundai would be cheaper to own and maintain.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   It's all perception, the Hyundai
>>>>>>>>>> will do just about anything that the BMW can legally do on
>>>>>>>>>> the road so why do people pay the extra money for one?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some for the driving experience, others for brand snobbery and
>>>>>>>>> some who grew up in Europe so they buy brands they know.
>>>>>>>>> If someone just wants to get from a to b a Hyundai would be
>>>>>>>>> hard to beat but they are hardly interesting or exciting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I still think that the average BMW owner buys one because it's
>>>>>>>> a BMW, just as the average Tesla owner buys one because it's a
>>>>>>>> Tesla.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agree that that is true for many buyers but certainly not all.
>>>>>>> Fortunately there are many brands of cars to satisfy the many
>>>>>>> opinions and reasons why people buy whatever they buy.
>>>>>>> Some people even buy Mazda's which I wouldn't have if you gave
>>>>>>> me one for free:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Hmmm, we had for quite a few years a Mazda RX4 13B.....Apart
>>>>>> from fuel usage, and frequent ign. timing adjustment it was a
>>>>>> reliable rocket. Loved it. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Worth a pretty penny now, I bet you wished that you still had it:-)
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>   The thing was it sat in the local car yard for months early
>>>> '80's. ( Its a rotary, fuck that!, said the local er, experts) It
>>>> had been converted to 5 speed manual, Fastidiously maintained and
>>>> locally owned since new. (Narooma)
>>>>
>>>>     We got it for $3,400 and enjoyed every minute of ownership. As
>>>> you say, selling was a big blue!. Oh well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing, wish I'd kept my Mk1 GT Cortina:-)
>>>
>>
>> what would my 1948 Vauxhall Wyvern be worth now I wonder if it was
>> still in the same condition as when I owned it.
>>
>
> There is a 1950 Wyvern on justcars for $11,500.
> Scroll down:
>
> https://www.justcars.com.au/cars/for-sale/vauxhall

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 Owned a few of those 40;'s to 50's Vauxhalls in my teens. But the one
that caught my attention in there was the BX Vauxhall. Owned one for a
while in the sixty`s.. Forgotten all about it till I saw that pic. Can`t
remember what happened to it..

>
>

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mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." — Gene
Spafford, 1992

On 30/10/21 2:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:

>>> Since it was an eminently forgettable car - not much
>>
>> Not a car that too many people would think of as a "classic" or
>> collectable so as you say not worth much.
>> There was one for sale in Vic about 6yrs ago and the price was about $6k.
>>
> That's about $5.9K too much.

I take it that you aren't a Vauxhall fan?

--
Daryl

On 30/10/2021 12:28 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 30/10/2021 7:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 29/10/2021 11:07 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 29/10/21 6:55 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>> On 10/29/2021 3:03 PM, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 29/10/21 2:42 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>>> On 10/28/2021 8:10 AM, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 11:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 9:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 8:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 6:06 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/21 6:32 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 8:24 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 10:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they are doing well but it will be interesting to see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how they go when the competition ramps up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many other EV's the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not sure if I like the instrument panel but the rest
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buyers though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more in the BMW market than the Hyundai one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not entirely
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/356066/new-hyundai-ioniq-6-targeting-tesla-model-3-311-mile-range
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> People drive a Tesla to be seen driving a Tesla, a Hyundai
>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't exactly have the same cachet.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's possible but people like that really don't have a
>>>>>>>>>>> clue if they think that a Tesla is better than a Hyundai.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Is a BMW really better than a Hyundai?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If my limited experience with both brands is of any use I'd
>>>>>>>>> say that the BMW would be much nicer to drive, better
>>>>>>>>> handling, better brakes and just a more solid feel but the
>>>>>>>>> Hyundai would be cheaper to own and maintain.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   It's all perception, the Hyundai
>>>>>>>>>> will do just about anything that the BMW can legally do on
>>>>>>>>>> the road so why do people pay the extra money for one?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some for the driving experience, others for brand snobbery and
>>>>>>>>> some who grew up in Europe so they buy brands they know.
>>>>>>>>> If someone just wants to get from a to b a Hyundai would be
>>>>>>>>> hard to beat but they are hardly interesting or exciting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I still think that the average BMW owner buys one because it's
>>>>>>>> a BMW, just as the average Tesla owner buys one because it's a
>>>>>>>> Tesla.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Agree that that is true for many buyers but certainly not all.
>>>>>>> Fortunately there are many brands of cars to satisfy the many
>>>>>>> opinions and reasons why people buy whatever they buy.
>>>>>>> Some people even buy Mazda's which I wouldn't have if you gave
>>>>>>> me one for free:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Hmmm, we had for quite a few years a Mazda RX4 13B.....Apart
>>>>>> from fuel usage, and frequent ign. timing adjustment it was a
>>>>>> reliable rocket. Loved it. :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Worth a pretty penny now, I bet you wished that you still had it:-)
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>   The thing was it sat in the local car yard for months early
>>>> '80's. ( Its a rotary, fuck that!, said the local er, experts) It
>>>> had been converted to 5 speed manual, Fastidiously maintained and
>>>> locally owned since new. (Narooma)
>>>>
>>>>     We got it for $3,400 and enjoyed every minute of ownership. As
>>>> you say, selling was a big blue!. Oh well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hindsight is a wonderful thing, wish I'd kept my Mk1 GT Cortina:-)
>>>
>>
>> what would my 1948 Vauxhall Wyvern be worth now I wonder if it was
>> still in the same condition as when I owned it.
>>
>
> There is a 1950 Wyvern on justcars for $11,500.
> Scroll down:
>
> https://www.justcars.com.au/cars/for-sale/vauxhall
>
>

hmmm. interesting. it has a more modern look to it than the 48 model ..
https://austek.website/pics/vauxhall.jpg

--
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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 30/10/2021 3:37 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 30/10/21 2:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>
>>>> Since it was an eminently forgettable car - not much
>>>
>>> Not a car that too many people would think of as a "classic" or
>>> collectable so as you say not worth much.
>>> There was one for sale in Vic about 6yrs ago and the price was about
>>> $6k.
>>>
>> That's about $5.9K too much.
>
> I take it that you aren't a Vauxhall fan?
>
>

it doesn't have wings..

--
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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 30/10/2021 2:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 30/10/2021 12:16 pm, Daryl wrote:

>>>> what would my 1948 Vauxhall Wyvern be worth now I wonder if it was
>>>> still in the same condition as when I owned it.
>>>>
>>> Since it was an eminently forgettable car - not much
>>
>> Not a car that too many people would think of as a "classic" or
>> collectable so as you say not worth much.
>> There was one for sale in Vic about 6yrs ago and the price was about $6k.
>>
> That's about $5.9K too much.

Agreed.

Unless it's some special "sports" model, English cars aren't very
collectable. Especially old shitheaps like Vauxhalls, Wolesleys or
Vanguards. They were all horrible, ugly underpowered cuts of things with
levels of reliability that made Italian cars look interesting.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 30/10/2021 3:37 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 30/10/21 2:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>
>>>> Since it was an eminently forgettable car - not much
>>>
>>> Not a car that too many people would think of as a "classic" or
>>> collectable so as you say not worth much.
>>> There was one for sale in Vic about 6yrs ago and the price was about
>>> $6k.
>>>
>> That's about $5.9K too much.
>
> I take it that you aren't a Vauxhall fan?

Why would anyone be? :)

I had a '53 Vauxhall ute once and it was a good car, but that's because
it had a 383 Chev, turbo 400 and a 9 inch in it. The starter motor made
more power than the original vaucky engine ;)

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 30/10/21 4:42 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 30/10/2021 3:37 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 30/10/21 2:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>>>> Since it was an eminently forgettable car - not much
>>>>
>>>> Not a car that too many people would think of as a "classic" or
>>>> collectable so as you say not worth much.
>>>> There was one for sale in Vic about 6yrs ago and the price was about
>>>> $6k.
>>>>
>>> That's about $5.9K too much.
>>
>> I take it that you aren't a Vauxhall fan?
>
> Why would anyone be? :)

Good question but the same question could be asked about very many car
brands.

>
> I had a '53 Vauxhall ute once and it was a good car, but that's because
> it had a 383 Chev, turbo 400 and a 9 inch in it. The starter motor made
> more power than the original vaucky engine ;)
>

LOL.

--
Daryl