On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 22:56:49 +1100, Daryl wrote:

> On 27/10/21 9:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 27/10/2021 4:10 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 27/10/2021 11:58 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Best selling cars are in the Corolla/Mazda3/i30 price range and the
>>>>>> Hyundai EV is close to double the average price.
>>>>>
>>>>> **I was discussing Teslas. I know nothing about other EVs.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> yes, and the comparative cost of Teslas and other EV's is relevant
>>>
>>> **Indeed. As is the cost of a Tesla, compared to other high
>>> performance cars. Just as it is stupid to compare a Hyundai i20 to a
>>> BMW M3, it is dumb to compare a Tesla Model 3 to a Hyundai i20. It is,
>>> however, entirely reasonable to compare a Tesla Model 3 to a BMW M3.
>>
>> Really? Has the Tesla got the same stopping and handling ability of the
>> Beemer, or do you just ignorantly conclude that because the Tesla has a
>> respectable 0-100 time it therefore stands to reason that it can match
>> an M3 in every other respect?
>>
>> You *really* need to get out more.....

And you need to be locked up more. If for nothing else than crimes against
logic.

> About the only area they compare in is straight line acceleration which
> is only a small part of a vehicles appeal.

There's this new thing called 'the internet'...
4 seconds this took to find.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSRWKxytW40&t=169s

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On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 00:49:47 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 27/10/2021 11:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 27/10/2021 9:03 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> People drive a Tesla to be seen driving a Tesla, a Hyundai doesn't
>>>> exactly have the same cachet.
>>>
>>> I'd agree that Hyundai is no more "exotic" than a Toyota or any other
>>> basic bread and butter marque in terms of being a "status symbol", but
>>> then I'd also suggest that most people probably wouldn't know what a
>>> Tesla was if they were standing right in front of one.
>>>
>>> They certainly don't have anywhere near the same image as a Benz or a
>>> BMW....
>>
>> That's from the perspective of a middle aged car enthusiast, some-one on
>> the up and up in their twenties probably has a different world view.
>
> Fair point,

Nope.
The Twentysomething probably has the same world view as the middle-aged car
enthusiast, just not the same finances...

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On 28/10/2021 8:10 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 27/10/21 11:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:

>>>
>>> Some for the driving experience, others for brand snobbery and some
>>> who grew up in Europe so they buy brands they know.
>>> If someone just wants to get from a to b a Hyundai would be hard to
>>> beat but they are hardly interesting or exciting.
>>>
>> I still think that the average BMW owner buys one because it's a BMW,
>> just as the average Tesla owner buys one because it's a Tesla.
>
> Agree that that is true for many buyers but certainly not all.

It's funny, but until it was mentioned here I've never so much as
thought of Tesla being perceived as a "look at me" marque. I thought the
attraction to them, which incidentally is quite small if sales figures
are any indicator, was due to them being a novelty vehicle. Not because
of the name....

> Fortunately there are many brands of cars to satisfy the many opinions
> and reasons why people buy whatever they buy.

Indeed.

> Some people even buy Mazda's which I wouldn't have if you gave me one
> for free:-)

Let it go Daz. It was a *long* time ago :)

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On 28/10/2021 8:20 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 27/10/21 10:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:

>> Has anybody here actually examined a Tesla, and have actual experience
>> of their build quality? Just asking.
>
> Not personally but there are enough stories about Tesla's poor quality
> around to at least give the stories some credibility.

Indeed their is, and it's not hard to see why. Even Musk himself has
publicly stated that they have quality problems.

> Also they are a US company and US made cars in general don't enjoy a
> good quality reputation, the Yanks just don't seem to understand the
> concept that quality is important, you only have to look at the quality
> problems locally made cars (by US owned companies) had.

Yep. Commodores and Falcons in the last 20 years of their lives were
poorly built heaps of shit. Prior to that they were just as poorly
built, but they were a whole lot more reliable.

A case in point. I recently had one of my kid's schoolteachers bring his
VE R8 Clubby to me for a power steering pump repair. Unfortunately on
the late model Commy V8's they use a cheap arsed and incredibly
unreliable power steering pump which spits seals out and floods the
engine bay with transmission fluid, and because the Alternator lives
directly underneath the power steering pump that's usually the first
thing that gets completely saturated.

The end result is a vehicle that needs a new power steering pump and a
new Alternator all for the sake of a 4 buck oil seal....

> I recently watched a YouTube video from the US where a well known
> mechanic described the GM 3.6lt V6 (same engine as in the Commodore) as
> the second most worse engine ever made, the worst was the Ford 5.4lt "3
> valve" V8.

They're both pretty average engines, but being the "worst" is debatable.

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On 28/10/2021 8:27 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 27/10/2021 10:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:

>> Has anybody here actually examined a Tesla, and have actual experience
>> of their build quality? Just asking.
>>
>
> **I have a client who owned the original Model 3. He sold it and bought
> a new Model 3 (made in China). I can't comment on reliability, though he
> reckons the early Model 3 was perfectly reliable. I had a really good
> look at the fit and finish of his late Model 3 and would judge is as:
>
> * Not as good as a Lexus.
> * The equal of Subaru, Mercedes, Mazda, Hyundai, et al.

ROTFL :)

His must have been a "special order", as that description goes against
the grain of just about every comment on the things. I've seen two up
close. Passenger in one, and looked at another that was parked next to
me in a carpark once. I had no idea where they were made and didn't
really care, but *both* of them looked like they had the fit & finish
detail of a 20 year old Falcadore.

> Seats were comfortable and, although the interior was rather spartan,
> compared to most other cars, everything was there. It was just hidden
> from view.

The interior is probably the worst aspect of them in my opinion. The
seats were okay, but the rest of it looked like a kit car. It gave off a
very distinct impression of being "unfinished", and that fucking great
info screen in the middle of the dash looks like it was stuck on as an
after thought.

The fake woodgrain across the dash looks like they bought it from K-Mart :)

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On 27/10/2021 9:43 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 27/10/2021 10:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 27/10/2021 9:50 pm, Daryl wrote:
>
>>> Trevor seems to be confused between reliability and build quality, a
>>> car with poor build quality can still be reasonably reliable.
>>> Generally build quality refers to fit and finish and the quality of
>>> materials such as interior plastics etc.
>>> Poor build quality also doesn't mean that a car will be crap to drive
>>> or will break down often, poor panel gaps and bits of trim not
>>> straight or falling off don't affect reliability but they will affect
>>> how owners feel about their car.
>>
>> Has anybody here actually examined a Tesla, and have actual experience
>> of their build quality? Just asking.
>
> Yeah, I have. As I said in another post I've been a front seat passenger
> in one, and the build quality was on a par with a 20 year old Falcon.
>

IOW you made it up.

If you weren't a congenital liar people might actually listen to you.

<snip worthless lies>

On 28/10/2021 8:30 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 28/10/2021 12:36 am, Noddy wrote:

>> As I said in another post I've not driven a Tesla (nor do I have any
>> overwhelming desire to) but I've driven *plenty* of Ferraris and I'll
>> happily bet my left ball and both of yours that there isn't a Tesla on
>> the planet that drives anything *like* one.
>
> **Last time I looked, the Nurburgring wasn't a straight line course. I
> posted references to the Nurburgring times. As I understand it, the
> ability of a car to deal with corners is part of what allows it to
> demonstrate good lap times.

Indeed it is, but just to put some perspective back into the argument,
that time of 7:35 was for *one* "hot lap" at the hands of a professional
race car driver.

Impressive, sure. But just to throw in even *more* perspective, that lap
time puts it behind a 2011 Nissan GT-R, a 2015 Alfa Giulia Automatic, a
2017 Chevy Camaro, a Dodge Viper, a Jaguar XE and a shit-tonne of
Chevy Corvettes. Just for shits and giggles factor, it was just 8
seconds quicker than a Honda Civic Type R :)

Impressive for an electric car, but hardly setting the performance
vehicle world on fire.....

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On 28/10/2021 8:51 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 28/10/2021 7:20 am, alvey wrote:

>> Hey Der Der! Why haven't you jumped on keith for his use of "kilometer"?
>> (He's got form for this keith). Don't tell me you still recall how you,
>> once again, got your snout rubbed into your own words and have learnt
>> from
>> your mistake? That'd be a noteworthy first Fraudster. A 'What were you
>> doing when Der Der showed that he'd learnt from a mistake for the first
>> time' moment. Party time!
>
> Did anybody ever tell you that you are a snotty little arsehole? If not,
> consider it done.

He's a fucking zero substance dickhead. I'll bet he just *loves*
screaming at talkback radio :)

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On 28/10/2021 5:28 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 27/10/21 11:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 27/10/2021 9:03 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 27/10/2021 6:32 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 27/10/2021 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are more in the
>>>>>> BMW market than the Hyundai one.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not entirely
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/356066/new-hyundai-ioniq-6-targeting-tesla-model-3-311-mile-range
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> People drive a Tesla to be seen driving a Tesla, a Hyundai doesn't
>>>> exactly have the same cachet.
>>>
>>> I'd agree that Hyundai is no more "exotic" than a Toyota or any other
>>> basic bread and butter marque in terms of being a "status symbol",
>>> but then I'd also suggest that most people probably wouldn't know
>>> what a Tesla was if they were standing right in front of one.
>>>
>>> They certainly don't have anywhere near the same image as a Benz or a
>>> BMW....
>>
>> That's from the perspective of a middle aged car enthusiast, some-one
>> on the up and up in their twenties probably has a different world view.
>
>
> Possibly, if the young person was interested in tech they would very
> likely be interested in a Tesla.
> Also depends a lot where they live, when my son lived in London and
> worked in IT many of his younger colleagues had no interest in cars at
> all and many didn't even have a drivers license.
> Different in Australia but I know plenty of younger people here who
> think of cars as an appliance and don't give a car any more thought than
> their frig.
>

You must only know the dullest people ever.

On 27/10/2021 6:39 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 27/10/2021 6:30 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 27/10/2021 5:39 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:24:15 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>>> I almost got a first row seat in a Tesla crash this morning when one
>>>> came up from behind on the Caloundra Road and changed lanes through the
>>>> narrowing gap between the rear of my car and the front of a truck.
>>>
>>> You were being overtaken by a truck?
>>>
>> You obviously have never driven down Caloundra Road approaching the
>> Aura roundabout at 07:45. The queue stretches back about a kilometer.
>> The lane that I was in was doing about 10km/hr, the other lane queue
>> was about 50 metre shorter.
>>
>> Have you never driven in heavy traffic?
>
> You're talking to Alvey. This is a moron who by his own account drives
> like a fucking idiot. He'd be exactly the kind of twat who zaps up the
> emergency lane and then cuts in at the last minute, pissing off everyone
> behind him.
>
> Of course if he is, then we can only hope that he does it to the wrong
> guy one day and gets beaten to death :)
>

"We" can only see one psychopath here wishing people dead...

Hell, you are so disturbed you won't even put your own kid in a provided
potentially life saving seat belt!

On 28/10/2021 5:51 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 28/10/2021 7:20 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 17:30:59 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/10/2021 5:39 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:24:15 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I almost got a first row seat in a Tesla crash this morning when one
>>>>> came up from behind on the Caloundra Road and changed lanes through
>>>>> the
>>>>> narrowing gap between the rear of my car and the front of a truck.
>>>>
>>>> You were being overtaken by a truck?
>>>>
>>> You obviously have never driven down Caloundra Road approaching the Aura
>>> roundabout at 07:45. The queue stretches back about a kilometer. The
>>> lane that I was in was doing about 10km/hr, the other lane queue was
>>> about 50 metre shorter.
>>>
>>> Have you never driven in heavy traffic?
>>
>> And to think that you once had a shot at me over a minor grammatical!
>>
>> How does this work keith?
>> "The lane that I was in was doing about 10km/hr, the other lane queue was
>>   about 50 metre shorter".
>>
>> And if you set the "heavy traffic" bar at "Caloundra Road approaching the
>> Aura roudabout" level, (Another Clunker: From which direction is
>> unclear),
>> then there'd be no-one in Oz who hasn't driven in "heavy traffic".
>>
>> Pity the insurance assessor reading your attempt to describe a bingle.
>>
>> Hey Der Der! Why haven't you jumped on keith for his use of "kilometer"?
>> (He's got form for this keith). Don't tell me you still recall how you,
>> once again, got your snout rubbed into your own words and have learnt
>> from
>> your mistake? That'd be a noteworthy first Fraudster. A 'What were you
>> doing when Der Der showed that he'd learnt from a mistake for the first
>> time' moment. Party time!
>
> Did anybody ever tell you that you are a snotty little arsehole? If not,
> consider it done.
>

That's fucking rich coming from you, Mr. "I know English isn't your
first language..." considering your butchering of you *first* language.

Have you had yourself checked out yet?

On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 07:51:21 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

> On 28/10/2021 7:20 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 17:30:59 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/10/2021 5:39 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:24:15 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I almost got a first row seat in a Tesla crash this morning when one
>>>>> came up from behind on the Caloundra Road and changed lanes through the
>>>>> narrowing gap between the rear of my car and the front of a truck.
>>>>
>>>> You were being overtaken by a truck?
>>>>
>>> You obviously have never driven down Caloundra Road approaching the Aura
>>> roundabout at 07:45. The queue stretches back about a kilometer. The
>>> lane that I was in was doing about 10km/hr, the other lane queue was
>>> about 50 metre shorter.
>>>
>>> Have you never driven in heavy traffic?
>>
>> And to think that you once had a shot at me over a minor grammatical!
>>
>> How does this work keith?
>> "The lane that I was in was doing about 10km/hr, the other lane queue was
>> about 50 metre shorter".
>>
>> And if you set the "heavy traffic" bar at "Caloundra Road approaching the
>> Aura roudabout" level, (Another Clunker: From which direction is unclear),
>> then there'd be no-one in Oz who hasn't driven in "heavy traffic".
>>
>> Pity the insurance assessor reading your attempt to describe a bingle.
>>
>> Hey Der Der! Why haven't you jumped on keith for his use of "kilometer"?
>> (He's got form for this keith). Don't tell me you still recall how you,
>> once again, got your snout rubbed into your own words and have learnt from
>> your mistake? That'd be a noteworthy first Fraudster. A 'What were you
>> doing when Der Der showed that he'd learnt from a mistake for the first
>> time' moment. Party time!
>
> Did anybody ever tell you that you are a snotty little arsehole? If not,
> consider it done.

So that's your version of shooting someone down in flames then. Scary.

alvey
"A handsome man called zero,
Generally considered a hero,
He fixes old planes,
Shoots alvey down in flames,
And still has time for a beer-oh".

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On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 09:50:19 +1100, Trevor Wilson wrote:

> .....Then again, maybe not:
>
> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html

Never mind Tweedledum and Tweedledumer Trev. Have a proper laugh at
something by professional comedians in The Betoota Advocate.

'Government That Spent 9 Years Gutting CSIRO Now Relying On
Yet-To-Be-Invented Technology To Deliver Net Zero'

https://tinyurl.com/2vtthbme

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On 28/10/2021 12:03 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 07:51:21 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>
>> On 28/10/2021 7:20 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 17:30:59 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/10/2021 5:39 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:24:15 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I almost got a first row seat in a Tesla crash this morning when one
>>>>>> came up from behind on the Caloundra Road and changed lanes through the
>>>>>> narrowing gap between the rear of my car and the front of a truck.
>>>>>
>>>>> You were being overtaken by a truck?
>>>>>
>>>> You obviously have never driven down Caloundra Road approaching the Aura
>>>> roundabout at 07:45. The queue stretches back about a kilometer. The
>>>> lane that I was in was doing about 10km/hr, the other lane queue was
>>>> about 50 metre shorter.
>>>>
>>>> Have you never driven in heavy traffic?
>>>
>>> And to think that you once had a shot at me over a minor grammatical!
>>>
>>> How does this work keith?
>>> "The lane that I was in was doing about 10km/hr, the other lane queue was
>>> about 50 metre shorter".
>>>
>>> And if you set the "heavy traffic" bar at "Caloundra Road approaching the
>>> Aura roudabout" level, (Another Clunker: From which direction is unclear),
>>> then there'd be no-one in Oz who hasn't driven in "heavy traffic".
>>>
>>> Pity the insurance assessor reading your attempt to describe a bingle.
>>>
>>> Hey Der Der! Why haven't you jumped on keith for his use of "kilometer"?
>>> (He's got form for this keith). Don't tell me you still recall how you,
>>> once again, got your snout rubbed into your own words and have learnt from
>>> your mistake? That'd be a noteworthy first Fraudster. A 'What were you
>>> doing when Der Der showed that he'd learnt from a mistake for the first
>>> time' moment. Party time!
>>
>> Did anybody ever tell you that you are a snotty little arsehole? If not,
>> consider it done.
>
> So that's your version of shooting someone down in flames then. Scary.

Nope just an honest and considered character assessment.

On 28/10/21 11:51 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 28/10/2021 8:20 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 27/10/21 10:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>
>>> Has anybody here actually examined a Tesla, and have actual
>>> experience of their build quality? Just asking.
>>
>> Not personally but there are enough stories about Tesla's poor quality
>> around to at least give the stories some credibility.
>
> Indeed their is, and it's not hard to see why. Even Musk himself has
> publicly stated that they have quality problems.
>
>> Also they are a US company and US made cars in general don't enjoy a
>> good quality reputation, the Yanks just don't seem to understand the
>> concept that quality is important, you only have to look at the
>> quality problems locally made cars (by US owned companies) had.
>
> Yep. Commodores and Falcons in the last 20 years of their lives were
> poorly built heaps of shit. Prior to that they were just as poorly
> built, but they were a whole lot more reliable.
>
> A case in point. I recently had one of my kid's schoolteachers bring his
> VE R8 Clubby to me for a power steering pump repair. Unfortunately on
> the late model Commy V8's they use a cheap arsed and incredibly
> unreliable power steering pump which spits seals out and floods the
> engine bay with transmission fluid, and because the Alternator lives
> directly underneath the power steering pump that's usually the first
> thing that gets completely saturated.
>
> The end result is a vehicle that needs a new power steering pump and a
> new Alternator all for the sake of a 4 buck oil seal....
>
>> I recently watched a YouTube video from the US where a well known
>> mechanic described the GM 3.6lt V6 (same engine as in the Commodore)
>> as the second most worse engine ever made, the worst was the Ford
>> 5.4lt "3 valve" V8.
>
> They're both pretty average engines, but being the "worst" is debatable.
>
>
>
I can think of a few worse but they are up there.

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On 28/10/21 8:39 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 28/10/2021 7:10 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 27/10/21 11:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 27/10/2021 9:36 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 27/10/21 8:58 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 27/10/2021 6:06 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/10/21 6:32 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/10/2021 12:11 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 8:24 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/2021 10:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 26/10/21 9:50 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> .....Then again, maybe not:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/tesla-joins-the-us1-trillion-club-on-landmark-hertz-deal-20211026-p5932l.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For the moment they don't have a lot of competition so they
>>>>>>>>>> are doing well but it will be interesting to see how they go
>>>>>>>>>> when the competition ramps up.
>>>>>>>>>> IMHO the most promising EV's are made by Hyundai, unlike many
>>>>>>>>>> other EV's the IONIQ 5 actually looks pretty good, not sure if
>>>>>>>>>> I like the instrument panel but the rest looks good.
>>>>>>>>>> At $75K they are still out of the reach of many car buyers
>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't think that is going to affect Tesla, they are more in
>>>>>>>>> the BMW market than the Hyundai one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not entirely
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/hyundai/356066/new-hyundai-ioniq-6-targeting-tesla-model-3-311-mile-range
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> People drive a Tesla to be seen driving a Tesla, a Hyundai
>>>>>>> doesn't exactly have the same cachet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's possible but people like that really don't have a clue if
>>>>>> they think that a Tesla is better than a Hyundai.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Is a BMW really better than a Hyundai?
>>>>
>>>> If my limited experience with both brands is of any use I'd say that
>>>> the BMW would be much nicer to drive, better handling, better brakes
>>>> and just a more solid feel but the Hyundai would be cheaper to own
>>>> and maintain.
>>>>
>>>>   It's all perception, the Hyundai
>>>>> will do just about anything that the BMW can legally do on the road
>>>>> so why do people pay the extra money for one?
>>>>
>>>> Some for the driving experience, others for brand snobbery and some
>>>> who grew up in Europe so they buy brands they know.
>>>> If someone just wants to get from a to b a Hyundai would be hard to
>>>> beat but they are hardly interesting or exciting.
>>>>
>>> I still think that the average BMW owner buys one because it's a BMW,
>>> just as the average Tesla owner buys one because it's a Tesla.
>>
>> Agree that that is true for many buyers but certainly not all.
>> Fortunately there are many brands of cars to satisfy the many opinions
>> and reasons why people buy whatever they buy.
>> Some people even buy Mazda's which I wouldn't have if you gave me one
>> for free:-)
>>
> I have 2 Mazdas, one is fun, the other an appliance that does everything
> that is required of it I.E. moving the wife and myself from place to
> place comfortably quickly and economically.
>
> What is your objection to the make?

The comment was actually a bit of a joke based on a very bad experience
with a new Mazda E2200 van I bought new in 1984.
Appalling customer service, lack of warranty support and their refusal
to acknowledge that the problem (cylinder head cracked 4 times) was a
serious issue affecting almost every van with the same engine, should
have been recalled and the engines replaced but they just fobbed
everyone off and treated owners like vermin so I hate Mazda with a passion.

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On 28/10/21 11:38 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 28/10/2021 8:10 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 27/10/21 11:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>> Some for the driving experience, others for brand snobbery and some
>>>> who grew up in Europe so they buy brands they know.
>>>> If someone just wants to get from a to b a Hyundai would be hard to
>>>> beat but they are hardly interesting or exciting.
>>>>
>>> I still think that the average BMW owner buys one because it's a BMW,
>>> just as the average Tesla owner buys one because it's a Tesla.
>>
>> Agree that that is true for many buyers but certainly not all.
>
> It's funny, but until it was mentioned here I've never so much as
> thought of Tesla being perceived as a "look at me" marque. I thought the
> attraction to them, which incidentally is quite small if sales figures
> are any indicator, was due to them being a novelty vehicle. Not because
> of the name....
>
>> Fortunately there are many brands of cars to satisfy the many opinions
>> and reasons why people buy whatever they buy.
>
> Indeed.
>
>> Some people even buy Mazda's which I wouldn't have if you gave me one
>> for free:-)
>
> Let it go Daz. It was a *long* time ago :)
>
>
LOL, it was only 37yrs ago and I have a very long memory:-)

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On 28/10/2021 4:53 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 28/10/21 11:51 am, Noddy wrote:

>>> I recently watched a YouTube video from the US where a well known
>>> mechanic described the GM 3.6lt V6 (same engine as in the Commodore)
>>> as the second most worse engine ever made, the worst was the Ford
>>> 5.4lt "3 valve" V8.
>>
>> They're both pretty average engines, but being the "worst" is debatable.
>>
>>
>>
> I can think of a few worse but they are up there.

Yep. They certainly are, and as much as the Ford 5.4 3 valve is a piece
of crap, the GM "alloytec" is an absolute *cunt* of an engine. It's an
asthmatic oil drinking turd of a thing that I wouldn't own if they were
giving them away for free.

Space left for Holden apologists to whinge like little girls here ↓↓↓↓

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On 28/10/2021 5:05 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 28/10/21 11:38 am, Noddy wrote:

>>> Fortunately there are many brands of cars to satisfy the many
>>> opinions and reasons why people buy whatever they buy.
>>
>> Indeed.
>>
>>> Some people even buy Mazda's which I wouldn't have if you gave me one
>>> for free:-)
>>
>> Let it go Daz. It was a *long* time ago :)
>>
>>
> LOL, it was only 37yrs ago and I have a very long memory:-)

:)

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On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 12:57:04 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

> On 28/10/2021 12:03 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 07:51:21 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>> On 28/10/2021 7:20 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 17:30:59 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/10/2021 5:39 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:24:15 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I almost got a first row seat in a Tesla crash this morning when one
>>>>>>> came up from behind on the Caloundra Road and changed lanes through the
>>>>>>> narrowing gap between the rear of my car and the front of a truck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You were being overtaken by a truck?
>>>>>>
>>>>> You obviously have never driven down Caloundra Road approaching the Aura
>>>>> roundabout at 07:45. The queue stretches back about a kilometer. The
>>>>> lane that I was in was doing about 10km/hr, the other lane queue was
>>>>> about 50 metre shorter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you never driven in heavy traffic?
>>>>
>>>> And to think that you once had a shot at me over a minor grammatical!
>>>>
>>>> How does this work keith?
>>>> "The lane that I was in was doing about 10km/hr, the other lane queue was
>>>> about 50 metre shorter".
>>>>
>>>> And if you set the "heavy traffic" bar at "Caloundra Road approaching the
>>>> Aura roudabout" level, (Another Clunker: From which direction is unclear),
>>>> then there'd be no-one in Oz who hasn't driven in "heavy traffic".
>>>>
>>>> Pity the insurance assessor reading your attempt to describe a bingle.
>>>>
>>>> Hey Der Der! Why haven't you jumped on keith for his use of "kilometer"?
>>>> (He's got form for this keith). Don't tell me you still recall how you,
>>>> once again, got your snout rubbed into your own words and have learnt from
>>>> your mistake? That'd be a noteworthy first Fraudster. A 'What were you
>>>> doing when Der Der showed that he'd learnt from a mistake for the first
>>>> time' moment. Party time!
>>>
>>> Did anybody ever tell you that you are a snotty little arsehole? If not,
>>> consider it done.
>>
>> So that's your version of shooting someone down in flames then. Scary.
>
> Nope just an honest and considered character assessment.

Hmmm.
Well, as that opinion is from a source that describes himmself as a "hero",
doesn't think it's relevant that Der Der is telling whopping great lies,
operates a half-arsed killfail *and* is incapable of admitting his errors,
then I'll not be dropping any tears into my Grigio anytime in the
forseeable.

Give it up keith. You're just not cut out for this.

alvey

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On 10/27/2021 10:50 PM, Daryl wrote:
> On 27/10/21 9:49 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 27/10/2021 3:30 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 27/10/2021 11:20 am, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>>>> Until Dazza actually drives a Tesla, he can be safely ignored.
>>>>> Like I said: I've spoken to a few Tesla owners. They love them.
>>>>
>>>> Please explain what any of that has to do with price and build
>>>> quality?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> **Ummm. Everything.
>>
>> ROTFL :) How the fuck do you figure that? :)
>>
>>
>>> A Ferrari is just about the least reliable car on the road.
>>
>> Uh, no. That title belongs to anything with an "Alfa" badge on it.
>> Their cars make anything Ferrari makes look positively German :)
>>
>>> They're very expensive to keep on the road, yet they are among the
>>> most expensive cars on the planet.
>>
>> So what? None of that bullshit has anything whatsoever to do with
>> Tesla build quality being absolute crap.
>>
>>> BY comparison, even the most expensive Tesla is vastly less
>>> expensive and vastly more reliable.
>>
>> Again, as far as Tesla build quality is concerned this is completely
>> irrelevant.
>
> Trevor seems to be confused between reliability and build quality, a
> car with poor build quality can still be reasonably reliable.
> Generally build quality refers to fit and finish and the quality of
> materials such as interior plastics etc.
> Poor build quality also doesn't mean that a car will be crap to drive
> or will break down often, poor panel gaps and bits of trim not
> straight or falling off don't affect reliability but they will affect
> how owners feel about their car.
> Also for some reason an EV's amazing straight line acceleration seems
> to be a big selling point that Trev is obsessed with yet in reality
> its just a party trick that doesn't matter and is of little use in
> normal driving.

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On 10/28/2021 12:26 PM, Clocky wrote:
> On 27/10/2021 9:43 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 27/10/2021 10:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 27/10/2021 9:50 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>>> Trevor seems to be confused between reliability and build quality,
>>>> a car with poor build quality can still be reasonably reliable.
>>>> Generally build quality refers to fit and finish and the quality of
>>>> materials such as interior plastics etc.
>>>> Poor build quality also doesn't mean that a car will be crap to
>>>> drive or will break down often, poor panel gaps and bits of trim
>>>> not straight or falling off don't affect reliability but they will
>>>> affect how owners feel about their car.
>>>
>>> Has anybody here actually examined a Tesla, and have actual
>>> experience of their build quality? Just asking.
>>
>> Yeah, I have. As I said in another post I've been a front seat
>> passenger in one, and the build quality was on a par with a 20 year
>> old Falcon.
>>
>
> IOW you made it up.
>
> If you weren't a congenital liar people might actually listen to you.

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 commented on, however i`ll leave the snipping to you and yer ilk....

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On 10/27/2021 9:55 PM, Noddy wrote:
> On 27/10/2021 9:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 27/10/2021 6:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
>
>>>
>>> I was talking about SH EV's so the range of new models does come
>>> into it.
>>>
>> I don't think too many people are buying SH EVs at present.
>
> People are going nuts over used cars at the moment, and I don't know
> why EV's would be any different.

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 yeah, even my Jeep is appreciating....$600 to $5,500 (very clean
Limited, with *all* the good bits).. :)))
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On 28/10/21 9:42 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 10/27/2021 9:55 PM, Noddy wrote:
>> On 27/10/2021 9:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 27/10/2021 6:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> I was talking about SH EV's so the range of new models does come
>>>> into it.
>>>>
>>> I don't think too many people are buying SH EVs at present.
>>
>> People are going nuts over used cars at the moment, and I don't know
>> why EV's would be any different.
>
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>  yeah, even my Jeep is appreciating....$600 to $5,500 (very clean
> Limited, with *all* the good bits).. :)))
> (

Its pretty weird, my 2002 C240 cost me $7000 bit over 4.5 yrs ago and
its now worth about the same as I paid for it.

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On 28/10/2021 9:30 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 28/10/21 9:42 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/27/2021 9:55 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 27/10/2021 9:02 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 27/10/2021 6:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was talking about SH EV's so the range of new models does come
>>>>> into it.
>>>>>
>>>> I don't think too many people are buying SH EVs at present.
>>>
>>> People are going nuts over used cars at the moment, and I don't know
>>> why EV's would be any different.
>>
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>>
>>   yeah, even my Jeep is appreciating....$600 to $5,500 (very clean
>> Limited, with *all* the good bits).. :)))
>> (
>
> Its pretty weird, my 2002 C240 cost me $7000 bit over 4.5 yrs ago and
> its now worth about the same as I paid for it.
>
>
I paid $7200 for the MX-5 5 years ago, now ones with significantly more
mileage seem to be going for around $16K