ajh wrote:

> On 04/01/2022 08:38, sweller wrote:
> > Pete Fisher wrote:
> >

>
> I have an exhaust manifold to remove from a 55 year old tractor to
> remove but I'm thinking the studs will break and have to be drilled.

We used RostOff on my FiL's deathtrap of a boat as recommended by the
local marina. Certainly not cheap but successfully penetrated some
serious corrosion where the usual penetrants failed miserably.

It may be worth a try.

--
"There's nothing more dangreous than a resourceful idiot"

On 05/01/2022 14:23, Buzby wrote:
> ajh wrote:
>
>> On 04/01/2022 08:38, sweller wrote:
>>> Pete Fisher wrote:
>>>
>
>>
>> I have an exhaust manifold to remove from a 55 year old tractor to
>> remove but I'm thinking the studs will break and have to be drilled.
>
> We used RostOff on my FiL's deathtrap of a boat as recommended by the
> local marina. Certainly not cheap but successfully penetrated some
> serious corrosion where the usual penetrants failed miserably.
>
> It may be worth a try.
>
>
>

<Googles>

Ah - Würth stuff is often worth it IME.

--
Moto Morini 2C/375, Moto Morini 2C/350
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
1937 Sunbeam Model 14 250 Sports
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 2:59:36 PM UTC, Pete Fisher wrote:
> On 05/01/2022 14:23, Buzby wrote:
> > ajh wrote:
> >
> >> On 04/01/2022 08:38, sweller wrote:
> >>> Pete Fisher wrote:
> >>>
> >
> >>
> >> I have an exhaust manifold to remove from a 55 year old tractor to
> >> remove but I'm thinking the studs will break and have to be drilled.
> >
> > We used RostOff on my FiL's deathtrap of a boat as recommended by the
> > local marina. Certainly not cheap but successfully penetrated some
> > serious corrosion where the usual penetrants failed miserably.
> >
> > It may be worth a try.
> >
> >
> >
> <Googles>
>
> Ah - Würth stuff is often worth it IME.

We have a Wurth rep that keeps on calling and dropping things off for us to try, on the back of us using their passives in new and existing designs.
Nice chap, quality components, nice mouse-mats, excellent tote/shopping bags.
I only have an aged tin of a very good cleaner made by them.
Have a rare old collection under my desk but the most used are https://www.dropbox.com/s/ofwvr6xs3xpq6s7/2022-01-05%2016.14.45.jpg?dl=0 which doesn't include the range of greases we have for everything !

Pete Fisher wrote:
> Ah - Würth stuff is often worth it IME.

"Because you're Würth it."

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 4:29:50 PM UTC, Sqirrel99 wrote:
> Pete Fisher wrote:
> > Ah - Würth stuff is often worth it IME.
> "Because you're Würth it."

<Applause>

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 08:23:23 -0800 (PST), Dave Brown
<browniebrownz@googlemail.com> wrote:

>We have a Wurth rep that keeps on calling and dropping things off for us to try, on the back of us using their passives in new and existing designs.
>Nice chap, quality components, nice mouse-mats, excellent tote/shopping bags.
>I only have an aged tin of a very good cleaner made by them.
>Have a rare old collection under my desk but the most used are https://www.dropbox.com/s/ofwvr6xs3xpq6s7/2022-01-05%2016.14.45.jpg?dl=0 which doesn't include the range of greases we have for everything !

<looks>

I now have solvent envy
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On 04/01/2022 22:33, YTC#1 wrote:
> On 04/01/2022 17:33, Mark Olson wrote:
>> Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 21:57:08 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Things I learned: Allow plenty of time so inevitable problems can be
>>>>> handled by sitting back with a cup of tea and a think instead of
>>>>> ploughing on with angle grinder/ hammer and chisel.
>>>
>>>> This is why I don't do fork seals, I prefer to find "a man who can".
>>>
>>> I'm with you on this.  I've pretty much done every job on a
>>> motorcycle, including multiple various engine rebuilds, but forks -
>>> ugh.  Think I've done it once or twice
>>
>> My problem is finding someone / someplace I can trust not to fuck it
>> up. I haven't had the greatest luck having simple jobs done correctly
>> at dealerships over the years.
>
> Heh, yeah.
> After sourcing some seals for the Funduro in North Chile I spent a
> couple of days hunting out the local mechanic (it was Xmas week), only
> to watch him use a hammer and screwdriver ...........
>
> When the seal went again a couple of days later I let the oil piss out
> and then rode it without.
>
>

What's wrong with using a hammer and a screwdriver?

--
/Simon

On 05/01/2022 18:38, siwilson wrote:
> On 04/01/2022 22:33, YTC#1 wrote:
>> On 04/01/2022 17:33, Mark Olson wrote:
>>> Champ <neal@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 3 Jan 2022 21:57:08 +0000, YTC#1 <bdp@ytc1-spambin.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Things I learned: Allow plenty of time so inevitable problems can be
>>>>>> handled by sitting back with a cup of tea and a think instead of
>>>>>> ploughing on with angle grinder/ hammer and chisel.
>>>>
>>>>> This is why I don't do fork seals, I prefer to find "a man who can".
>>>>
>>>> I'm with you on this.  I've pretty much done every job on a
>>>> motorcycle, including multiple various engine rebuilds, but forks -
>>>> ugh.  Think I've done it once or twice
>>>
>>> My problem is finding someone / someplace I can trust not to fuck it
>>> up. I haven't had the greatest luck having simple jobs done correctly
>>> at dealerships over the years.
>>
>> Heh, yeah.
>> After sourcing some seals for the Funduro in North Chile I spent a
>> couple of days hunting out the local mechanic (it was Xmas week), only
>> to watch him use a hammer and screwdriver ...........
>>
>> When the seal went again a couple of days later I let the oil piss out
>> and then rode it without.
>>
>>
>
> What's wrong with using a hammer and a screwdriver?
>

Like the old TV repair men used to say about banging on top of your
telly - "I know just where to hit it".

--
Moto Morini 2C/375, Moto Morini 2C/350
Gilera 175 Sport, Husqvarna 401 Svartpilen
1937 Sunbeam Model 14 250 Sports
"Do not adjust your mind, there is a fault in the reality"

On Wednesday, 5 January 2022 at 18:38:11 UTC, siwilson wrote:
> On 04/01/2022 22:33, YTC#1 wrote:

> > When the seal went again a couple of days later I let the oil piss out
> > and then rode it without.
> >
> >
> What's wrong with using a hammer and a screwdriver?

If it's the oil seal I suspect it's likely to damage the 'integrity' of it.

Doesn't everyone have four or five different sized fork seal drivers?

Stephen Packer wrote:

> On Wednesday, 5 January 2022 at 18:38:11 UTC, siwilson wrote:
> > On 04/01/2022 22:33, YTC#1 wrote:
>
> > > When the seal went again a couple of days later I let the oil
> > > piss out and then rode it without.
> > >
> > >
> > What's wrong with using a hammer and a screwdriver?
>
> If it's the oil seal I suspect it's likely to damage the 'integrity'
> of it.
>
> Doesn't everyone have four or five different sized fork seal drivers?

PVC drain pipe(s) :-)

--
Geoff

Stephen Packer <stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, 5 January 2022 at 18:38:11 UTC, siwilson wrote:
>> On 04/01/2022 22:33, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> > When the seal went again a couple of days later I let the oil piss out
>> > and then rode it without.
>> >
>> >
>> What's wrong with using a hammer and a screwdriver?
>
> If it's the oil seal I suspect it's likely to damage the 'integrity' of it.
>
> Doesn't everyone have four or five different sized fork seal drivers?

I've got at least that many.

Of course I'll be lucky if I ever get to reuse one. But I've learned
the hard way that bodging these (lacking a working lathe) is false
economy.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 20:38:34 -0000 (UTC), "geoffC" <me@home.nl> wrote:

>Stephen Packer wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, 5 January 2022 at 18:38:11 UTC, siwilson wrote:
>> > On 04/01/2022 22:33, YTC#1 wrote:
>>
>> > > When the seal went again a couple of days later I let the oil
>> > > piss out and then rode it without.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > What's wrong with using a hammer and a screwdriver?
>>
>> If it's the oil seal I suspect it's likely to damage the 'integrity'
>> of it.
>>
>> Doesn't everyone have four or five different sized fork seal drivers?
>
>PVC drain pipe(s) :-)

Heh. My fork special tools include bits of plastic pipe and a broom
handle :)
--
Mark Roberts

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 03:55:06 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
<stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, 4 January 2022 at 22:26:58 UTC, Pipl wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 17:24:20 +0000, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> >I'm with you on this. I've pretty much done every job on a
>> >motorcycle, including multiple various engine rebuilds, but forks -
>> >ugh. Think I've done it once or twice
>> Me too. It's a mucky, horrible job.
>
>I quite like it. Once the filthy old oil is drained then it's not a bad job.
>
>I suspect I've rebuilt half a dozen or so sets of forks, mostly
>dirt bikes but also some BMWs. Having the right tools certainly helps.

Hmm, maybe five-ish sets. DT, FZR, KTM, 10R, at least one YZ, plus oil
changes that didn't require full disassembly.

I have two, no, three, no four (but one's a duplicate) special tools,
all homemade. The biggest sports the world's worst welding and barely
fits. But it works. Just.

>It's carburettors I don't like messing with.

Not really thought them to be a problem for basic jet replacement, on
singles & twins, anyway. It's quite satisfying when the bike starts
idling again, or that odd hesitation disappears. Frustrating when
spending a lot on jets has no effect though.

Cracking the screws the first time can be a nervous challenge for me.

>Oh, and fasteners on 1970s bikes.

Amen to that. Funnily enough, I barely use my impact screwdriver these
days.

--

-Pip

On Wed, 05 Jan 2022 16:29:46 +0000, Sqirrel99
<secret.sqirrel99@gmail.com> wrote:

>Pete Fisher wrote:
>> Ah - Würth stuff is often worth it IME.
>
>"Because you're Würth it."

Heh.

--

-Pip

Pipl <pluscher@live.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 03:55:06 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
> <stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:

>>It's carburettors I don't like messing with.
>
> Not really thought them to be a problem for basic jet replacement, on
> singles & twins, anyway. It's quite satisfying when the bike starts
> idling again, or that odd hesitation disappears. Frustrating when
> spending a lot on jets has no effect though.
>
> Cracking the screws the first time can be a nervous challenge for me.

I've bought a Vessel Impacta JIS #2 just for this that has yet to be
used in anger. It's the cousin to the 3-piece Megadora Vessel JIS set
that gets broken out mostly for non-bike uses. Oddly enough the #2
JIS seems to mate very well with Phillips head screws, better than
a genuine Phillips.

>>Oh, and fasteners on 1970s bikes.
>
> Amen to that. Funnily enough, I barely use my impact screwdriver these
> days.

See above.

--
FJR1300A, GL1000, KLR650A6F, EX250J9A, DR200SE, Vespa Ciao

On 05/01/2022 22:09 Ace penned these words:

> I was pleasantly surprised when I first moved over the channel at the
> range of proper chemicals available in most French supermarkets,
> including acetone, hydrochloric acid, proper turps, white spirit and
> all sorts of other stuff.
>
> No carbon tetrachloride, though, which I recall had many cleaning
> applications back in the day, including cleaning the computer tape
> machines when I worked in operations at RR. Happy days, that stuff
> only needed a whif to get the head reeling.
>
>
When I started my apprenticeship back in the factory hot trike tanks were common
for degreasing. There were tales elsewhere of it killing people who been
suspended over the tanks and over come by the vapour. I swiped 1/2 a gallon or
so for use as a degreaser at home. Once sent to catalogue an abandoned shop and
there were split sacks of cyanide with piles of white powder next to them.

--
Ian

"Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of
the last priest"

On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 13:17:23 +0800, Boots
<news@millhouse-communications.co.uk> wrote:

>On 05/01/2022 22:09 Ace penned these words:
>
>> I was pleasantly surprised when I first moved over the channel at the
>> range of proper chemicals available in most French supermarkets,
>> including acetone, hydrochloric acid, proper turps, white spirit and
>> all sorts of other stuff.
>>
>> No carbon tetrachloride, though, which I recall had many cleaning
>> applications back in the day, including cleaning the computer tape
>> machines when I worked in operations at RR. Happy days, that stuff
>> only needed a whif to get the head reeling.
>>
>>
>When I started my apprenticeship back in the factory hot trike tanks were common
>for degreasing. There were tales elsewhere of it killing people who been
>suspended over the tanks and over come by the vapour. I swiped 1/2 a gallon or
>so for use as a degreaser at home. Once sent to catalogue an abandoned shop and
>there were split sacks of cyanide with piles of white powder next to them.

One ship I served on had a bowl of light (diesel) fuel oil at the door
from the engine room to the control room, to degrease your hands in
before entering.

--
Ace
http://www.chaletbeauroc.com/

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 12:29:43 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
<stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:

>Doesn't everyone have four or five different sized fork seal drivers?

No

See earlier comment about needing special tools
--
Champ
neal at champ dot org dot uk

I don't know, but I been told
You never slow down, you never grow old

On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 9:20:02 PM UTC, Pipl wrote:

> all homemade. The biggest sports the world's worst welding

<Thud>

Oh look! A gauntlet.... I challenge you to a "pigeon-shit off" sirrah!

--
WUN

On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 5:26:58 PM UTC-5, Pipl wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 17:24:20 +0000, Champ <ne...@champ.org.uk> wrote:

> >I'm with you on this. I've pretty much done every job on a
> >motorcycle, including multiple various engine rebuilds, but forks -
> >ugh. Think I've done it once or twice
> Me too. It's a mucky, horrible job.

Aren't they all?

Champ wrote:

> > Doesn't everyone have four or five different sized fork seal
> > drivers?
>
> No
>
> See earlier comment about needing special tools

I got mine originally for doing MZ engines, the bearings and the seals.

They're very useful and they were also cheap:

e.g.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/123752646047

--
Simon

Pipl wrote:

> > Oh, and fasteners on 1970s bikes.
>
> Amen to that. Funnily enough, I barely use my impact screwdriver these
> days.

I stopped using my impact driver when I stopped having 1970s Japanese
bikes.

The European stuff I have had and still have from the 70s never filled
me with the same levels of fastener trepidation as my Suzukis, Yamahas
and, especially, Hondas (CB250N and CB750 sohc - fucking things).

--
Simon

WUN wrote:

> > all homemade. The biggest sports the world's worst welding
>
> <Thud>
>
> Oh look! A gauntlet.... I challenge you to a "pigeon-shit off" sirrah!

I think that gauntlet went home with Steve Packer's original outfit.

--
Simon

On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 08:33:46 -0800 (PST), WUN <nigel.eaton@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wednesday, January 5, 2022 at 9:20:02 PM UTC, Pipl wrote:
>
>> all homemade. The biggest sports the world's worst welding
>
><Thud>
>
>Oh look! A gauntlet.... I challenge you to a "pigeon-shit off" sirrah!

<smug> Hold my beer.

--

-Pip

On Wed, 5 Jan 2022 12:29:43 -0800 (PST), Stephen Packer
<stephen.packer@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, 5 January 2022 at 18:38:11 UTC, siwilson wrote:
>> On 04/01/2022 22:33, YTC#1 wrote:
>
>> > When the seal went again a couple of days later I let the oil piss out
>> > and then rode it without.
>> >
>> >
>> What's wrong with using a hammer and a screwdriver?
>
>If it's the oil seal I suspect it's likely to damage the 'integrity' of it.
>
>Doesn't everyone have four or five different sized fork seal drivers?

In my garage, they're the previous fork seal, a blind punch and a
hammer. Never had a damaged seal. I do worry about slipping and
scoring the chrome though.

--

-Pip