on 4/12/2022, David Brooks supposed :
> On 12/04/2022 11:09, FromTheRafters wrote:
>> David Brooks explained on 4/12/2022 :
>>
>>> EtreCheck was ousted from the Apple App store. It is no longer available
>>> there.
>>
>> You are no longer in military service, does that mean that you were
>> "ousted"?
>
> There are some who have posted on Usenet who think I was.
>
> What do YOU think on that score?

You reap what you sow? You use such language as a cudgel to 'slime'
others, but there is the 'fighting fire with fire' aspect as well which
comes back at you. You make your usenet experience what it is.

On 12/04/2022 14:16, FromTheRafters wrote:
> on 4/12/2022, David Brooks supposed :
>> On 12/04/2022 11:09, FromTheRafters wrote:
>>> David Brooks explained on 4/12/2022 :
>>>
>>>> EtreCheck was ousted from the Apple App store. It is no longer
>>>> available there.
>>>
>>> You are no longer in military service, does that mean that you were
>>> "ousted"?
>>
>> There are some who have posted on Usenet who think I was.
>>
>> What do YOU think on that score?
>
> You reap what you sow?

No, that's not what I meant.

> You use such language as a cudgel to 'slime'
> others, but there is the 'fighting fire with fire' aspect as well which
> comes back at you. You make your usenet experience what it is.

Here's 'etresoft' doing the exact same thing on the ASC!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8js6g7xtcbg3cr1/EtreCheck%20Power%20Users%20-%20will%20YOU%20test%20ple…%20-%20Apple%20Community.pdf?dl=0

On 2022-04-12, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:

(snip)

> Mike Easter claimed that the software was NOT installed per se.
>
>> Not sure what you mean by a "proper" application. As far as installation -- it
>> installs the way many macOS apps do, though drag and drop. Some also get
>> installed from the store or from an installer (though these are fairly rare).
>> Do you mean it is not available in the App store?
>
> What you say is sounding very muddled. :-(

I don't know why he dragged the App store into it but the question is:

Did you install an app if an installer app/script wasn't involved?

If "install" means: 'put it on your computer' the answer is: Yes.

If "install" means: 'put it on your computer via the use of an
"installer" the answer is: No.

Glasser is saying: Yes, you did "install" an app despite not using an
"installer".

Isn't this point moot, given the fact that apps using some tech like
webkit can do what you're complaining about (files strewn around)?

On Apr 12, 2022 at 12:05:01 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<xw95K.392829$Lc1.296469@fx12.ams1>:

> On 12/04/2022 00:29, Snit wrote:
>> On Apr 11, 2022 at 3:07:48 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <UE15K.57939$3b1.40537@fx14.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 11/04/2022 21:58, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/04/2022 20:38, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (snip)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Will you explain WHY you are reluctant to contact the developer about
>>>>>>> this matter? It won't cost anything more than a few minutes of your time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why don't you write it up and if he's OK with the wording, go from
>>>>>> there? You're asking for his time, use less of it and convey the words
>>>>>> *you* want to convey <shrug>.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not a 'techie'. I've already rattled JD's cage sufficiently for him
>>>>> to refund the price I paid for his software. Logic tells me that an
>>>>> honest man would not do that. I suspect that the use of EtreCheck
>>>>> enables JD to manipulate the ASC forum posts.
>>>>
>>>> Sigh... it never ends.
>>>>
>>>> I'm suggesting that YOU compose the email sent to JD, asking the
>>>> questions YOU want answered and Glasser, if he agrees, will send it.
>>>
>>>
>>> I have written directly to JD on many occasions previously.
>>>
>>> Sadly, he fails to respond, even when I write to try to help him, viz:-
>>>
>>> https://ibb.co/mJXpm0c
>>>
>>> HTH
>>
>> If you get no responses on that type of email it sounds like he has poor
>> support.
>
> As far as I'm aware, he's a one-man-band. Do you see him on LinkedIn?

I see only one person tied to EtreSoft there: Tess Pierce. I do not really use
LinkedIn much, though, so maybe there are more I am missing.

>
>> Even if he does not know he should say that... and then he can explain where
>> the app gets the info from.
>
> I'm glad you agree!

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Apr 12, 2022 at 2:59:08 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<M3c5K.65887$f91.55734@fx09.ams1>:

> On 11/04/2022 20:53, Snit wrote:
>> On Apr 11, 2022 at 12:18:38 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <ja%4K.57628$3b1.33516@fx14.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 11/04/2022 19:17, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Apr 11, 2022 at 11:06:25 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <F6_4K.392826$Lc1.290695@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/04/2022 16:51, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2022 at 8:29:53 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <SPX4K.392678$Lc1.310170@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 16:14, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2022 at 2:14:53 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <ikS4K.551384$sb1.275030@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 00:54, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 10, 2022 at 4:07:31 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>> <UqJ4K.551383$sb1.72491@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/04/2022 23:59, David Brooks adjusted his post to read:-
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just run another check using EasyFind and there are STILL items
>>>>>>>>>>>> from Etrecheck left active on my machine.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *I have now deleted them*.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here they are in my Waste Bin! https://ibb.co/7kr7mNK
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Something odd about this!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What apps do not leave such things behind?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By that comment you appear to think that they are legitimate!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They MUST be there for a reason.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WHAT reason?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I gave some: if and when you reinstall an app you might want the same
>>>>>>>> preferences, for example. In other cases it is a file that allows you to keep
>>>>>>>> your license. There are others which are placed in specific folders so the OS
>>>>>>>> knows how to do a specific thing, and those should be removed -- but to leave
>>>>>>>> them does no real harm. They tend to be tiny and harmless. If there are
>>>>>>>> drivers and the like left behind, though, that can be an issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You will no doubt have the same files hidden away on YOUR computer as
>>>>>>> you have also downloaded EtreCheck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What if they actually ARE nefarious?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any app that does not leave such files behind? And are they launched
>>>>>> or used in any way?
>>>>>
>>>>> *NO* application should leave malware hidden on a computer.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed... but we were talking files in general. Are there any apps that do not
>>>> leave any behind? There may be... I have not done any deep checks.
>>>
>>> I don't wish to argue with you. It is EtreCheck I have been discussing.
>>
>> I understand that. But part of the question, if I understand correctly, is if
>> EtreCheck is doing something uncommon (no less untoward). So far I have seen
>> no evidence it is doing either.
>
> EtreCheck was ousted from the Apple App store. It is no longer available
> there.
>
>>>>>>> Do you care enough to contact the developer to ask why they are still on
>>>>>>> your computer?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not without reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> The reason is simply to clarify /why/ such files are left behind after
>>>>> the product has supposedly been removed from a computer.
>>>>
>>>> It is the way macOS works. The standard uninstall method is to just drag the
>>>> file from the Applications folder. Some small files that are saved elsewhere
>>>> are not removed.
>>>
>>> You haven't been paying attention my friend! EtreCheck is not an proper
>>> 'application' and is NOT installed!
>
> Mike Easter claimed that the software was NOT installed per se.

It does not have an installer, but it is still added to the computer and ready
to be used.

>> Not sure what you mean by a "proper" application. As far as installation -- it
>> installs the way many macOS apps do, though drag and drop. Some also get
>> installed from the store or from an installer (though these are fairly rare).
>> Do you mean it is not available in the App store?
>
> What you say is sounding very muddled. :-(

To add most apps to macOS you merely drag and drop them into the Applications
folder (or, really, elsewhere on the hard drive, though the Applications
folder is the recommended place). When you first run the application it does
some things in the background, including putting files elsewhere in the
User/Library folder (and sometimes elsewhere, though to do that it needs to be
given special permissions).

Another common way is to use the Apple store, which does a few other things in
the background. And then there are applications, such as the ones from Adobe,
which walk you though an installer and often have an uninstaller.

Each type of installing, though, leads to files being added to your Library
folder and uninstalling them does not generally remove all files associated
with the application.

>
>>> Will you explain WHY you are reluctant to contact the developer about
>>> this matter? It won't cost anything more than a few minutes of your time.
>>
>> Not sure what I would even be asking. His app has files that get left behind
>> -- as do other apps. Is there a reason to be concerned with this?
>
> If you can find a few minutes spare, please review the post by
> 'etresoft' (JD) here:-
>
> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8488115

The link is dead and it does not seem to be at least an actively used
subdomain. Not sure what you are looking for with that.

>
> I'm wondering WHY my posting persona, HunterBD, was banned from the ASC
> forums. Have you any idea? Could you find out? Is it reversible?

You tend to ask about non-Apple products and then suggest that they are
somehow doing something wrong. In this case you seem focused on the idea that
the common fact that applications leave files is bad, but only for EtreCheck.
I do not see you applying that to other applications.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 10:59:08 +0100, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>I'm wondering WHY my posting persona, HunterBD, was banned from the ASC
>forums.

Same reason you've been banned at so many other forums: repeated
trolling, sliming, and stalking. Even after being warned, you persist.

It's too bad that banning is about the only remedy forum mods are
allowed to use. I'd like to see an option to use something that's more
significant, more permanent, and more expensive to you. You're a very
slow learner, but you might get the point if they were allowed to
remotely disable your computer, permanently, for example.

On 12/04/2022 17:09, Snit wrote:
> On Apr 12, 2022 at 12:05:01 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <xw95K.392829$Lc1.296469@fx12.ams1>:
>
>> On 12/04/2022 00:29, Snit wrote:
>>> On Apr 11, 2022 at 3:07:48 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <UE15K.57939$3b1.40537@fx14.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 11/04/2022 21:58, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 20:38, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (snip)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Will you explain WHY you are reluctant to contact the developer about
>>>>>>>> this matter? It won't cost anything more than a few minutes of your time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why don't you write it up and if he's OK with the wording, go from
>>>>>>> there? You're asking for his time, use less of it and convey the words
>>>>>>> *you* want to convey <shrug>.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not a 'techie'. I've already rattled JD's cage sufficiently for him
>>>>>> to refund the price I paid for his software. Logic tells me that an
>>>>>> honest man would not do that. I suspect that the use of EtreCheck
>>>>>> enables JD to manipulate the ASC forum posts.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sigh... it never ends.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm suggesting that YOU compose the email sent to JD, asking the
>>>>> questions YOU want answered and Glasser, if he agrees, will send it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have written directly to JD on many occasions previously.
>>>>
>>>> Sadly, he fails to respond, even when I write to try to help him, viz:-
>>>>
>>>> https://ibb.co/mJXpm0c
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>
>>> If you get no responses on that type of email it sounds like he has poor
>>> support.
>>
>> As far as I'm aware, he's a one-man-band. Do you see him on LinkedIn?
>
> I see only one person tied to EtreSoft there: Tess Pierce. I do not really use
> LinkedIn much, though, so maybe there are more I am missing.

Thank you so much for looking, Snit! 🙂

This was news there, for me:-

Board Member, Cultural & Creative App Development Board Member, Cultural
& Creative App Development
Etresoft, Inc
2013 - Present · 9 yrs 4 mos

Etresoft, Inc. is software development and consulting corporation that
has been in business, in both the USA and Canada, since 1997. We have
developed and shipped a number of consumer software tools for both
Macintosh and Windows systems. Our products are used by major
corporations, governments, educational institutions, and over half a
million people. Read more about our products here:
https://www.etresoft.com/#products

Etresoft, Inc. personnel have consulted with and worked for major
government agencies, militaries, and educational institutions. Etresoft,
Inc.’s work has evolved from databases, to satellite command and control
systems, to real-time simulators, to information science.

On Apr 12, 2022 at 11:15:40 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<glj5K.29795$ep1.5859@fx03.ams1>:

> On 12/04/2022 17:09, Snit wrote:
>> On Apr 12, 2022 at 12:05:01 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <xw95K.392829$Lc1.296469@fx12.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 12/04/2022 00:29, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Apr 11, 2022 at 3:07:48 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <UE15K.57939$3b1.40537@fx14.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 11/04/2022 21:58, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 20:38, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (snip)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Will you explain WHY you are reluctant to contact the developer about
>>>>>>>>> this matter? It won't cost anything more than a few minutes of your time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why don't you write it up and if he's OK with the wording, go from
>>>>>>>> there? You're asking for his time, use less of it and convey the words
>>>>>>>> *you* want to convey <shrug>.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not a 'techie'. I've already rattled JD's cage sufficiently for him
>>>>>>> to refund the price I paid for his software. Logic tells me that an
>>>>>>> honest man would not do that. I suspect that the use of EtreCheck
>>>>>>> enables JD to manipulate the ASC forum posts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sigh... it never ends.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm suggesting that YOU compose the email sent to JD, asking the
>>>>>> questions YOU want answered and Glasser, if he agrees, will send it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have written directly to JD on many occasions previously.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sadly, he fails to respond, even when I write to try to help him, viz:-
>>>>>
>>>>> https://ibb.co/mJXpm0c
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>> If you get no responses on that type of email it sounds like he has poor
>>>> support.
>>>
>>> As far as I'm aware, he's a one-man-band. Do you see him on LinkedIn?
>>
>> I see only one person tied to EtreSoft there: Tess Pierce. I do not really use
>> LinkedIn much, though, so maybe there are more I am missing.
>
> Thank you so much for looking, Snit! 🙂
>
> This was news there, for me:-
>
> Board Member, Cultural & Creative App Development Board Member, Cultural
> & Creative App Development
> Etresoft, Inc
> 2013 - Present · 9 yrs 4 mos
>
> Etresoft, Inc. is software development and consulting corporation that
> has been in business, in both the USA and Canada, since 1997. We have
> developed and shipped a number of consumer software tools for both
> Macintosh and Windows systems. Our products are used by major
> corporations, governments, educational institutions, and over half a
> million people. Read more about our products here:
> https://www.etresoft.com/#products
>
> Etresoft, Inc. personnel have consulted with and worked for major
> government agencies, militaries, and educational institutions. Etresoft,
> Inc.’s work has evolved from databases, to satellite command and control
> systems, to real-time simulators, to information science.

OK, so they do a lot more than make than one piece of software.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 12/04/2022 17:18, Snit wrote:
> On Apr 12, 2022 at 2:59:08 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <M3c5K.65887$f91.55734@fx09.ams1>:
>
>> On 11/04/2022 20:53, Snit wrote:
>>> On Apr 11, 2022 at 12:18:38 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <ja%4K.57628$3b1.33516@fx14.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 11/04/2022 19:17, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 11, 2022 at 11:06:25 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <F6_4K.392826$Lc1.290695@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 16:51, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2022 at 8:29:53 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <SPX4K.392678$Lc1.310170@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 16:14, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2022 at 2:14:53 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>> <ikS4K.551384$sb1.275030@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 00:54, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 10, 2022 at 4:07:31 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> <UqJ4K.551383$sb1.72491@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 10/04/2022 23:59, David Brooks adjusted his post to read:-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just run another check using EasyFind and there are STILL items
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Etrecheck left active on my machine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *I have now deleted them*.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here they are in my Waste Bin! https://ibb.co/7kr7mNK
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Something odd about this!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> What apps do not leave such things behind?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> By that comment you appear to think that they are legitimate!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> They MUST be there for a reason.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> WHAT reason?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I gave some: if and when you reinstall an app you might want the same
>>>>>>>>> preferences, for example. In other cases it is a file that allows you to keep
>>>>>>>>> your license. There are others which are placed in specific folders so the OS
>>>>>>>>> knows how to do a specific thing, and those should be removed -- but to leave
>>>>>>>>> them does no real harm. They tend to be tiny and harmless. If there are
>>>>>>>>> drivers and the like left behind, though, that can be an issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You will no doubt have the same files hidden away on YOUR computer as
>>>>>>>> you have also downloaded EtreCheck.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What if they actually ARE nefarious?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is there any app that does not leave such files behind? And are they launched
>>>>>>> or used in any way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *NO* application should leave malware hidden on a computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> Agreed... but we were talking files in general. Are there any apps that do not
>>>>> leave any behind? There may be... I have not done any deep checks.
>>>>
>>>> I don't wish to argue with you. It is EtreCheck I have been discussing.
>>>
>>> I understand that. But part of the question, if I understand correctly, is if
>>> EtreCheck is doing something uncommon (no less untoward). So far I have seen
>>> no evidence it is doing either.
>>
>> EtreCheck was ousted from the Apple App store. It is no longer available
>> there.
>>
>>>>>>>> Do you care enough to contact the developer to ask why they are still on
>>>>>>>> your computer?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not without reason.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The reason is simply to clarify /why/ such files are left behind after
>>>>>> the product has supposedly been removed from a computer.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is the way macOS works. The standard uninstall method is to just drag the
>>>>> file from the Applications folder. Some small files that are saved elsewhere
>>>>> are not removed.
>>>>
>>>> You haven't been paying attention my friend! EtreCheck is not an proper
>>>> 'application' and is NOT installed!
>>
>> Mike Easter claimed that the software was NOT installed per se.
>
> It does not have an installer, but it is still added to the computer and ready
> to be used.

That's what I understood. I wonder why Mike thinks otherwise.

>>> Not sure what you mean by a "proper" application. As far as installation -- it
>>> installs the way many macOS apps do, though drag and drop. Some also get
>>> installed from the store or from an installer (though these are fairly rare).
>>> Do you mean it is not available in the App store?
>>
>> What you say is sounding very muddled. :-(
>
> To add most apps to macOS you merely drag and drop them into the Applications
> folder (or, really, elsewhere on the hard drive, though the Applications
> folder is the recommended place). When you first run the application it does
> some things in the background, including putting files elsewhere in the
> User/Library folder (and sometimes elsewhere, though to do that it needs to be
> given special permissions).

Did YOU drag EtreCheck into Applications before you ran it?

Did YOU grant it Full Drive Access?

> Another common way is to use the Apple store, which does a few other things in
> the background. And then there are applications, such as the ones from Adobe,
> which walk you though an installer and often have an uninstaller.

Yes. I am familiar with those.

> Each type of installing, though, leads to files being added to your Library
> folder and uninstalling them does not generally remove all files associated
> with the application.

So far, with the AppCleaner facility which you introduced me to, I
appear to have been quite successful! Thanks once again for that! :-D

>>>> Will you explain WHY you are reluctant to contact the developer about
>>>> this matter? It won't cost anything more than a few minutes of your time.
>>>
>>> Not sure what I would even be asking. His app has files that get left behind
>>> -- as do other apps. Is there a reason to be concerned with this?
>>
>> If you can find a few minutes spare, please review the post by
>> 'etresoft' (JD) here:-
>>
>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8488115
>
> The link is dead and it does not seem to be at least an actively used
> subdomain. Not sure what you are looking for with that.

*WHAT*? It's certainly active for me - it opens up the thread!

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/url/4f48b72f67b8b92714d303273ea2edfdbb8f16236ca6111b15ab216064e4baea/details

Status 422 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Status/422

Ah! BUT ...... https://ibb.co/WW91HcH

SOMETHING is amiss!

>> I'm wondering WHY my posting persona, HunterBD, was banned from the ASC
>> forums. Have you any idea? Could you find out? Is it reversible?
>
> You tend to ask about non-Apple products and then suggest that they are
> somehow doing something wrong. In this case you seem focused on the idea that
> the common fact that applications leave files is bad, but only for EtreCheck.
> I do not see you applying that to other applications.

It's good to have you give me your opinion, Snit! :-D THANK YOU! :-)

On 12/04/2022 19:29, Snit wrote:
> On Apr 12, 2022 at 11:15:40 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <glj5K.29795$ep1.5859@fx03.ams1>:
>
>> On 12/04/2022 17:09, Snit wrote:
>>> On Apr 12, 2022 at 12:05:01 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <xw95K.392829$Lc1.296469@fx12.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 12/04/2022 00:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 11, 2022 at 3:07:48 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <UE15K.57939$3b1.40537@fx14.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 21:58, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 20:38, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (snip)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Will you explain WHY you are reluctant to contact the developer about
>>>>>>>>>> this matter? It won't cost anything more than a few minutes of your time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why don't you write it up and if he's OK with the wording, go from
>>>>>>>>> there? You're asking for his time, use less of it and convey the words
>>>>>>>>> *you* want to convey <shrug>.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not a 'techie'. I've already rattled JD's cage sufficiently for him
>>>>>>>> to refund the price I paid for his software. Logic tells me that an
>>>>>>>> honest man would not do that. I suspect that the use of EtreCheck
>>>>>>>> enables JD to manipulate the ASC forum posts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sigh... it never ends.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm suggesting that YOU compose the email sent to JD, asking the
>>>>>>> questions YOU want answered and Glasser, if he agrees, will send it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have written directly to JD on many occasions previously.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sadly, he fails to respond, even when I write to try to help him, viz:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://ibb.co/mJXpm0c
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>
>>>>> If you get no responses on that type of email it sounds like he has poor
>>>>> support.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I'm aware, he's a one-man-band. Do you see him on LinkedIn?
>>>
>>> I see only one person tied to EtreSoft there: Tess Pierce. I do not really use
>>> LinkedIn much, though, so maybe there are more I am missing.
>>
>> Thank you so much for looking, Snit! 🙂
>>
>> This was news there, for me:-
>>
>> Board Member, Cultural & Creative App Development Board Member, Cultural
>> & Creative App Development
>> Etresoft, Inc
>> 2013 - Present · 9 yrs 4 mos
>>
>> Etresoft, Inc. is software development and consulting corporation that
>> has been in business, in both the USA and Canada, since 1997. We have
>> developed and shipped a number of consumer software tools for both
>> Macintosh and Windows systems. Our products are used by major
>> corporations, governments, educational institutions, and over half a
>> million people. Read more about our products here:
>> https://www.etresoft.com/#products
>>
>> Etresoft, Inc. personnel have consulted with and worked for major
>> government agencies, militaries, and educational institutions. Etresoft,
>> Inc.’s work has evolved from databases, to satellite command and control
>> systems, to real-time simulators, to information science.
>
> OK, so they do a lot more than make than one piece of software.

That's what it looks like.

Can YOU find any other information about this "corporation"?
It's news to me!

On Apr 12, 2022 at 11:53:57 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<aVj5K.133967$Mih.102057@fx05.ams1>:

>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not without reason.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The reason is simply to clarify /why/ such files are left behind after
>>>>>>> the product has supposedly been removed from a computer.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is the way macOS works. The standard uninstall method is to just drag the
>>>>>> file from the Applications folder. Some small files that are saved elsewhere
>>>>>> are not removed.
>>>>>
>>>>> You haven't been paying attention my friend! EtreCheck is not an proper
>>>>> 'application' and is NOT installed!
>>>
>>> Mike Easter claimed that the software was NOT installed per se.
>>
>> It does not have an installer, but it is still added to the computer and ready
>> to be used.
>
> That's what I understood. I wonder why Mike thinks otherwise.

It might be one of those things like when people speak of Macs and PCs, but in
other context Macs *are* PCs, just different than Windows PCs.

>>>> Not sure what you mean by a "proper" application. As far as installation -- it
>>>> installs the way many macOS apps do, though drag and drop. Some also get
>>>> installed from the store or from an installer (though these are fairly rare).
>>>> Do you mean it is not available in the App store?
>>>
>>> What you say is sounding very muddled. :-(
>>
>> To add most apps to macOS you merely drag and drop them into the Applications
>> folder (or, really, elsewhere on the hard drive, though the Applications
>> folder is the recommended place). When you first run the application it does
>> some things in the background, including putting files elsewhere in the
>> User/Library folder (and sometimes elsewhere, though to do that it needs to be
>> given special permissions).
>
> Did YOU drag EtreCheck into Applications before you ran it?
>
> Did YOU grant it Full Drive Access?

Yes.

>> Another common way is to use the Apple store, which does a few other things in
>> the background. And then there are applications, such as the ones from Adobe,
>> which walk you though an installer and often have an uninstaller.
>
> Yes. I am familiar with those.
>
>> Each type of installing, though, leads to files being added to your Library
>> folder and uninstalling them does not generally remove all files associated
>> with the application.
>
> So far, with the AppCleaner facility which you introduced me to, I
> appear to have been quite successful! Thanks once again for that! :-D

My pleasure.

>
>>>>> Will you explain WHY you are reluctant to contact the developer about
>>>>> this matter? It won't cost anything more than a few minutes of your time.
>>>>
>>>> Not sure what I would even be asking. His app has files that get left behind
>>>> -- as do other apps. Is there a reason to be concerned with this?
>>>
>>> If you can find a few minutes spare, please review the post by
>>> 'etresoft' (JD) here:-
>>>
>>> https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8488115
>>
>> The link is dead and it does not seem to be at least an actively used
>> subdomain. Not sure what you are looking for with that.
>
> *WHAT*? It's certainly active for me - it opens up the thread!

Sorry, I meant the link discussed there: https://idmsa.apple.com/

Should have been more clear.
>
> https://www.virustotal.com/gui/url/4f48b72f67b8b92714d303273ea2edfdbb8f16236ca6111b15ab216064e4baea/details
>
> Status 422 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Status/422
>
> Ah! BUT ...... https://ibb.co/WW91HcH
>
> SOMETHING is amiss!
>
>>> I'm wondering WHY my posting persona, HunterBD, was banned from the ASC
>>> forums. Have you any idea? Could you find out? Is it reversible?
>>
>> You tend to ask about non-Apple products and then suggest that they are
>> somehow doing something wrong. In this case you seem focused on the idea that
>> the common fact that applications leave files is bad, but only for EtreCheck.
>> I do not see you applying that to other applications.
>
> It's good to have you give me your opinion, Snit! :-D THANK YOU! :-)

Here is another way to look at it. Re-install EtreCheck, put in the
Applications folder, and launch it. You can then quit it and drag it to
AppCleaner. Do not delete it... at least yet.

Look at each of the files it finds. Notice on the far right there is a
magnifying (find) icon. Click it for each file. Notice how many other
applications are saving data in the same folders.

For example, with the Caches folder, I have over 100 items in that folder,
each tied to a different application. This is true of every one of the files
it shows (that info is saved for many apps).

These files are generally tied to how macOS works.

I do not have any concern with EtreCheck having files in those common areas.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Apr 12, 2022 at 12:13:28 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<sbk5K.26828$sMg.25487@fx06.ams1>:

> On 12/04/2022 19:29, Snit wrote:
>> On Apr 12, 2022 at 11:15:40 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <glj5K.29795$ep1.5859@fx03.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 12/04/2022 17:09, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Apr 12, 2022 at 12:05:01 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <xw95K.392829$Lc1.296469@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/04/2022 00:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2022 at 3:07:48 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <UE15K.57939$3b1.40537@fx14.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 21:58, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 20:38, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (snip)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Will you explain WHY you are reluctant to contact the developer about
>>>>>>>>>>> this matter? It won't cost anything more than a few minutes of your time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you write it up and if he's OK with the wording, go from
>>>>>>>>>> there? You're asking for his time, use less of it and convey the words
>>>>>>>>>> *you* want to convey <shrug>.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not a 'techie'. I've already rattled JD's cage sufficiently for him
>>>>>>>>> to refund the price I paid for his software. Logic tells me that an
>>>>>>>>> honest man would not do that. I suspect that the use of EtreCheck
>>>>>>>>> enables JD to manipulate the ASC forum posts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sigh... it never ends.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm suggesting that YOU compose the email sent to JD, asking the
>>>>>>>> questions YOU want answered and Glasser, if he agrees, will send it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have written directly to JD on many occasions previously.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sadly, he fails to respond, even when I write to try to help him, viz:-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/mJXpm0c
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you get no responses on that type of email it sounds like he has poor
>>>>>> support.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I'm aware, he's a one-man-band. Do you see him on LinkedIn?
>>>>
>>>> I see only one person tied to EtreSoft there: Tess Pierce. I do not really use
>>>> LinkedIn much, though, so maybe there are more I am missing.
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for looking, Snit! 🙂
>>>
>>> This was news there, for me:-
>>>
>>> Board Member, Cultural & Creative App Development Board Member, Cultural
>>> & Creative App Development
>>> Etresoft, Inc
>>> 2013 - Present · 9 yrs 4 mos
>>>
>>> Etresoft, Inc. is software development and consulting corporation that
>>> has been in business, in both the USA and Canada, since 1997. We have
>>> developed and shipped a number of consumer software tools for both
>>> Macintosh and Windows systems. Our products are used by major
>>> corporations, governments, educational institutions, and over half a
>>> million people. Read more about our products here:
>>> https://www.etresoft.com/#products
>>>
>>> Etresoft, Inc. personnel have consulted with and worked for major
>>> government agencies, militaries, and educational institutions. Etresoft,
>>> Inc.’s work has evolved from databases, to satellite command and control
>>> systems, to real-time simulators, to information science.
>>
>> OK, so they do a lot more than make than one piece of software.
>
> That's what it looks like.
>
> Can YOU find any other information about this "corporation"?
> It's news to me!

Here is some info:

https://www.zoominfo.com/c/etresoft-inc/13370202

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On 12/04/2022 20:38, Snit wrote:
> On Apr 12, 2022 at 12:13:28 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <sbk5K.26828$sMg.25487@fx06.ams1>:
>
>> On 12/04/2022 19:29, Snit wrote:
>>> On Apr 12, 2022 at 11:15:40 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <glj5K.29795$ep1.5859@fx03.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 12/04/2022 17:09, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 12, 2022 at 12:05:01 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <xw95K.392829$Lc1.296469@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/04/2022 00:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2022 at 3:07:48 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <UE15K.57939$3b1.40537@fx14.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 21:58, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 20:38, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (snip)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Will you explain WHY you are reluctant to contact the developer about
>>>>>>>>>>>> this matter? It won't cost anything more than a few minutes of your time.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you write it up and if he's OK with the wording, go from
>>>>>>>>>>> there? You're asking for his time, use less of it and convey the words
>>>>>>>>>>> *you* want to convey <shrug>.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a 'techie'. I've already rattled JD's cage sufficiently for him
>>>>>>>>>> to refund the price I paid for his software. Logic tells me that an
>>>>>>>>>> honest man would not do that. I suspect that the use of EtreCheck
>>>>>>>>>> enables JD to manipulate the ASC forum posts.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sigh... it never ends.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm suggesting that YOU compose the email sent to JD, asking the
>>>>>>>>> questions YOU want answered and Glasser, if he agrees, will send it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have written directly to JD on many occasions previously.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sadly, he fails to respond, even when I write to try to help him, viz:-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/mJXpm0c
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you get no responses on that type of email it sounds like he has poor
>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As far as I'm aware, he's a one-man-band. Do you see him on LinkedIn?
>>>>>
>>>>> I see only one person tied to EtreSoft there: Tess Pierce. I do not really use
>>>>> LinkedIn much, though, so maybe there are more I am missing.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so much for looking, Snit! 🙂
>>>>
>>>> This was news there, for me:-
>>>>
>>>> Board Member, Cultural & Creative App Development Board Member, Cultural
>>>> & Creative App Development
>>>> Etresoft, Inc
>>>> 2013 - Present · 9 yrs 4 mos
>>>>
>>>> Etresoft, Inc. is software development and consulting corporation that
>>>> has been in business, in both the USA and Canada, since 1997. We have
>>>> developed and shipped a number of consumer software tools for both
>>>> Macintosh and Windows systems. Our products are used by major
>>>> corporations, governments, educational institutions, and over half a
>>>> million people. Read more about our products here:
>>>> https://www.etresoft.com/#products
>>>>
>>>> Etresoft, Inc. personnel have consulted with and worked for major
>>>> government agencies, militaries, and educational institutions. Etresoft,
>>>> Inc.’s work has evolved from databases, to satellite command and control
>>>> systems, to real-time simulators, to information science.
>>>
>>> OK, so they do a lot more than make than one piece of software.
>>
>> That's what it looks like.
>>
>> Can YOU find any other information about this "corporation"?
>> It's news to me!
>
> Here is some info:
>
> https://www.zoominfo.com/c/etresoft-inc/13370202

Thank you. :-)

I did once capture this on LinkedIn:-
https://www.dropbox.com/s/g0aqm6dhg4fh2e6/John%20Daniel-%20LinkedIn.jpeg?dl=0

On 11/04/2022 17:14, Wolffan wrote:
> On 11 Apr 2022, David Brooks wrote
> (in article <m7Y4K.57395$3b1.24213@fx14.ams1>):
>
>> On 11/04/2022 13:53, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks<BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 11/04/2022 00:54, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 10, 2022 at 4:07:31 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <UqJ4K.551383$sb1.72491@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/04/2022 23:59, David Brooks adjusted his post to read:-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've just run another check using EasyFind and there are STILL items
>>>>>>> from Etrecheck left active on my machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I have now deleted them*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here they are in my Waste Bin! https://ibb.co/7kr7mNK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Something odd about this!
>>>>>
>>>>> What apps do not leave such things behind?
>>>>
>>>> By that comment you appear to think that they are legitimate!
>>>>
>>>> They MUST be there for a reason.
>>>>
>>>> WHAT reason?
>>>
>>> Your usual stance is that they are illegitimate. This has happened
>>> throughout a large chunk of your computing life, how many times has it
>>> *actually* been a problem?
>>
>> I do not KNOW why they are still on my computer, nor do I know whether
>> or not they are nefarious.
>>
>> I would never have known they were present unless I'd gone looking for them.
>>
>> Successful malware can remain hidden for years.
>>
>> How would you feel about contacting JD and discussing this whole
>> scenario with him?
>
> Ah. They’re EtreCheck files, not ClamX files. Hmm... I have an EtreCheck
> folder in ~/Library/Application Support. 1.8 MB. Contains reports. And
> there’s com.etresoft.EtreCheck4, inside Users/[username]/Webkit. 79 bytes.
> Site info. And com.etresoft.EtreCheckMAS, In Containers. 66kB. Plists. And
> EtreCheckPro, in Application Support. 16 kB. Packages.
>
> Again, they’re support files, so that if I uninstalled I’d still have my
> settings if I later on reinstalled. Those who know what they’re doing can
> look inside plists and packages and see what’s what. And the reports can be
> read by any text editor or word processor, they’re bloody _RTFs_.
>
> Anyone who wants to see what those files are, and is even half-way competent
> (so... not you, vile one) can bloody well look themselves. And if they want,
> can simply delete the entire folders, All of them.

Here's a reminder of the files which I found:- https://ibb.co/PNCSRgH

So, What DID you find when you looked inside those files?

I thought it best to delete them from /my/ machine.

You may download the facility, free, here:-
https://freemacsoft.net/appcleaner/

On 11/04/2022 17:59, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 11/04/2022 13:53, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 11/04/2022 00:54, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 10, 2022 at 4:07:31 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <UqJ4K.551383$sb1.72491@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 10/04/2022 23:59, David Brooks adjusted his post to read:-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've just run another check using EasyFind and there are STILL items
>>>>>>> from Etrecheck left active on my machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *I have now deleted them*.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here they are in my Waste Bin! https://ibb.co/7kr7mNK
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Something odd about this!
>>>>>
>>>>> What apps do not leave such things behind?
>>>>
>>>> By that comment you appear to think that they are legitimate!
>>>>
>>>> They MUST be there for a reason.
>>>>
>>>> WHAT reason?
>>>
>>> Your usual stance is that they are illegitimate. This has happened
>>> throughout a large chunk of your computing life, how many times has it
>>> *actually* been a problem?
>>
>> I do not KNOW why they are still on my computer, nor do I know whether
>> or not they are nefarious.
>
> Yet, that hasn't stopped you from trying to slime people, to the point
> where you get banned/shunned.

I'm not 'sliming' anyone. I'm trying to establish the facts - the truth!

>> How would you feel about contacting JD and discussing this whole
>> scenario with him?
>
> I've no need, I know how the files get there and what they generally do.
> I've stayed out of it because you ignored me the last time I tried to
> help you. There's no upside for me as you don't listen anyway: that, and
> I get your 'friend', Glasser, crawling all over the conversation with
> his childish bullsh*t. I'm still waiting for the hypocrite to help you
> with what you asked for in the last thread he turned into a pile of
> sh*t. I will only ever help you when I feel like it and I'll do so in
> the manner I believe you deserve (designed to make YOU do some of the
> work). I'll say it AGAIN: IMO, you and your 'friend' are lucky anyone
> ever responds to you on any topic.

I can understand your point of view and fully appreciate your modus
operandi. However, I acknowledge that I do not have, nor ever will have,
the technical skills required to dig deep enough to suss out anything
untoward. I cannot make you do anything at all, but I /would/ appreciate
your help.

On 12/04/2022 21:06, David Brooks wrote:
> On 12/04/2022 20:38, Snit wrote:
>> On Apr 12, 2022 at 12:13:28 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <sbk5K.26828$sMg.25487@fx06.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 12/04/2022 19:29, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Apr 12, 2022 at 11:15:40 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <glj5K.29795$ep1.5859@fx03.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/04/2022 17:09, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Apr 12, 2022 at 12:05:01 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <xw95K.392829$Lc1.296469@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/04/2022 00:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2022 at 3:07:48 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <UE15K.57939$3b1.40537@fx14.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 21:58, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 20:38, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> (snip)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Will you explain WHY you are reluctant to contact the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> developer about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this matter? It won't cost anything more than a few minutes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of your time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you write it up and if he's OK with the wording,
>>>>>>>>>>>> go from
>>>>>>>>>>>> there? You're asking for his time, use less of it and convey
>>>>>>>>>>>> the words
>>>>>>>>>>>> *you* want to convey <shrug>.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not a 'techie'. I've already rattled JD's cage
>>>>>>>>>>> sufficiently for him
>>>>>>>>>>> to refund the price I paid for his software. Logic tells me
>>>>>>>>>>> that an
>>>>>>>>>>> honest man would not do that. I suspect that the use of
>>>>>>>>>>> EtreCheck
>>>>>>>>>>> enables JD to manipulate the ASC forum posts.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sigh... it never ends.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm suggesting that YOU compose the email sent to JD, asking the
>>>>>>>>>> questions YOU want answered and Glasser, if he agrees, will
>>>>>>>>>> send it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I have written directly to JD on many occasions previously.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sadly, he fails to respond, even when I write to try to help
>>>>>>>>> him, viz:-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/mJXpm0c
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you get no responses on that type of email it sounds like he
>>>>>>>> has poor
>>>>>>>> support.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As far as I'm aware, he's a one-man-band. Do you see him on
>>>>>>> LinkedIn?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I see only one person tied to EtreSoft there: Tess Pierce. I do
>>>>>> not really use
>>>>>> LinkedIn much, though, so maybe there are more I am missing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you so much for looking, Snit! 🙂
>>>>>
>>>>> This was news there, for me:-
>>>>>
>>>>> Board Member, Cultural & Creative App Development Board Member,
>>>>> Cultural
>>>>> & Creative App Development
>>>>> Etresoft, Inc
>>>>> 2013 - Present · 9 yrs 4 mos
>>>>>
>>>>> Etresoft, Inc. is software development and consulting corporation that
>>>>> has been in business, in both the USA and Canada, since 1997. We have
>>>>> developed and shipped a number of consumer software tools for both
>>>>> Macintosh and Windows systems. Our products are used by major
>>>>> corporations, governments, educational institutions, and over half a
>>>>> million people. Read more about our products here:
>>>>> https://www.etresoft.com/#products
>>>>>
>>>>> Etresoft, Inc. personnel have consulted with and worked for major
>>>>> government agencies, militaries, and educational institutions.
>>>>> Etresoft,
>>>>> Inc.’s work has evolved from databases, to satellite command and
>>>>> control
>>>>> systems, to real-time simulators, to information science.
>>>>
>>>> OK, so they do a lot more than make than one piece of software.
>>>
>>> That's what it looks like.
>>>
>>> Can YOU find any other information about this "corporation"?
>>> It's news to me!
>>
>> Here is some info:
>>
>> https://www.zoominfo.com/c/etresoft-inc/13370202
>
> Thank you. :-)
>
> I did once capture this on LinkedIn:-
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/g0aqm6dhg4fh2e6/John%20Daniel-%20LinkedIn.jpeg?dl=0

AS you now know, that profile has been ..... adjusted!

Why do that if he's genuine?

On 12/04/2022 19:29, Snit wrote:
> On Apr 12, 2022 at 11:15:40 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> <glj5K.29795$ep1.5859@fx03.ams1>:
>
>> On 12/04/2022 17:09, Snit wrote:
>>> On Apr 12, 2022 at 12:05:01 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>> <xw95K.392829$Lc1.296469@fx12.ams1>:
>>>
>>>> On 12/04/2022 00:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 11, 2022 at 3:07:48 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>> <UE15K.57939$3b1.40537@fx14.ams1>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 21:58, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 20:38, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (snip)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Will you explain WHY you are reluctant to contact the developer about
>>>>>>>>>> this matter? It won't cost anything more than a few minutes of your time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why don't you write it up and if he's OK with the wording, go from
>>>>>>>>> there? You're asking for his time, use less of it and convey the words
>>>>>>>>> *you* want to convey <shrug>.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not a 'techie'. I've already rattled JD's cage sufficiently for him
>>>>>>>> to refund the price I paid for his software. Logic tells me that an
>>>>>>>> honest man would not do that. I suspect that the use of EtreCheck
>>>>>>>> enables JD to manipulate the ASC forum posts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sigh... it never ends.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm suggesting that YOU compose the email sent to JD, asking the
>>>>>>> questions YOU want answered and Glasser, if he agrees, will send it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have written directly to JD on many occasions previously.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sadly, he fails to respond, even when I write to try to help him, viz:-
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://ibb.co/mJXpm0c
>>>>>>
>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>
>>>>> If you get no responses on that type of email it sounds like he has poor
>>>>> support.
>>>>
>>>> As far as I'm aware, he's a one-man-band. Do you see him on LinkedIn?
>>>
>>> I see only one person tied to EtreSoft there: Tess Pierce. I do not really use
>>> LinkedIn much, though, so maybe there are more I am missing.
>>
>> Thank you so much for looking, Snit! 🙂
>>
>> This was news there, for me:-
>>
>> Board Member, Cultural & Creative App Development Board Member, Cultural
>> & Creative App Development
>> Etresoft, Inc
>> 2013 - Present · 9 yrs 4 mos
>>
>> Etresoft, Inc. is software development and consulting corporation that
>> has been in business, in both the USA and Canada, since 1997. We have
>> developed and shipped a number of consumer software tools for both
>> Macintosh and Windows systems. Our products are used by major
>> corporations, governments, educational institutions, and over half a
>> million people. Read more about our products here:
>> https://www.etresoft.com/#products
>>
>> Etresoft, Inc. personnel have consulted with and worked for major
>> government agencies, militaries, and educational institutions. Etresoft,
>> Inc.’s work has evolved from databases, to satellite command and control
>> systems, to real-time simulators, to information science.
>
> OK, so they do a lot more than make than one piece of software.

If you look today, you will find that that information has been removed!

Something *IS* wrong with the whole Etresoft set-up. Maybe you can help
me find out what if you can find the time. Perhaps Steve will help too.
All I'm after is the truth and to stop 'bad guys' hurting others.

On 14 Apr 2022, David Brooks wrote
(in article <0BR5K.40795$4c1.20434@fx13.ams1>):

> On 11/04/2022 17:14, Wolffan wrote:
> > On 11 Apr 2022, David Brooks wrote
> > (in article <m7Y4K.57395$3b1.24213@fx14.ams1>):
> >
> > > On 11/04/2022 13:53, Steve Carroll wrote:
> > > > On 2022-04-11, David Brooks<BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > > > > On 11/04/2022 00:54, Snit wrote:
> > > > > > On Apr 10, 2022 at 4:07:31 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
> > > > > > <UqJ4K.551383$sb1.72491@fx11.ams1>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 10/04/2022 23:59, David Brooks adjusted his post to read:-
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I've just run another check using EasyFind and there are STILL items
> > > > > > > > from Etrecheck left active on my machine.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > *I have now deleted them*.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Here they are in my Waste Bin! https://ibb.co/7kr7mNK
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Something odd about this!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What apps do not leave such things behind?
> > > > >
> > > > > By that comment you appear to think that they are legitimate!
> > > > >
> > > > > They MUST be there for a reason.
> > > > >
> > > > > WHAT reason?
> > > >
> > > > Your usual stance is that they are illegitimate. This has happened
> > > > throughout a large chunk of your computing life, how many times has it
> > > > *actually* been a problem?
> > >
> > > I do not KNOW why they are still on my computer, nor do I know whether
> > > or not they are nefarious.
> > >
> > > I would never have known they were present unless I'd gone looking for
> > > them.
> > >
> > > Successful malware can remain hidden for years.
> > >
> > > How would you feel about contacting JD and discussing this whole
> > > scenario with him?
> >
> > Ah. They’re EtreCheck files, not ClamX files. Hmm... I have an EtreCheck
> > folder in ~/Library/Application Support. 1.8 MB. Contains reports. And
> > there’s com.etresoft.EtreCheck4, inside Users/[username]/Webkit. 79 bytes.
> > Site info. And com.etresoft.EtreCheckMAS, In Containers. 66kB. Plists. And
> > EtreCheckPro, in Application Support. 16 kB. Packages.
> >
> > Again, they’re support files, so that if I uninstalled I’d still have my
> > settings if I later on reinstalled. Those who know what they’re doing can
> > look inside plists and packages and see what’s what. And the reports can
> > be
> > read by any text editor or word processor, they’re bloody _RTFs_.
> >
> > Anyone who wants to see what those files are, and is even half-way competent
> > (so... not you, vile one) can bloody well look themselves. And if they want,
> > can simply delete the entire folders, All of them.
>
> Here's a reminder of the files which I found:- https://ibb.co/PNCSRgH

I don’t click on your links, vile one. Bloody well type out the filenames.
and the folder names.
>
>
> So, What DID you find when you looked inside those files?
>
> I thought it best to delete them from /my/ machine.

so you got rid of some support files. should you ever reinstall EtreChech you
should have to reset your settings. Congrats, you just made more work for
yourself. You’re an idiot.
>
>
> You may download the facility, free, here:-
> https://freemacsoft.net/appcleaner/

I don’t use cleaner apps, they tend to delete files I want to keep, As
I’m not a lazy, paranoid, ignoramus (that’s _you_, arsenugget) I have a
look myself and delete (or not) files as I see fit.

On 2022-04-14, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:

(snip)

>> OK, so they do a lot more than make than one piece of software.
>
> If you look today, you will find that that information has been removed!
>
> Something *IS* wrong with the whole Etresoft set-up. Maybe you can help
> me find out what if you can find the time. Perhaps Steve will help too.
> All I'm after is the truth and to stop 'bad guys' hurting others.

Why would I help you stalk an innocent person? Are you so self focused
and wrapped up in your goofy bullsh*t it makes sense to you that someone
you view as your enemy would help you? If you're trying to convince
people you gave up drinking, this isn't the way.

On 2022-04-14, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 11/04/2022 17:59, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 11/04/2022 13:53, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/04/2022 00:54, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Apr 10, 2022 at 4:07:31 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <UqJ4K.551383$sb1.72491@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/04/2022 23:59, David Brooks adjusted his post to read:-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've just run another check using EasyFind and there are STILL items
>>>>>>>> from Etrecheck left active on my machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *I have now deleted them*.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here they are in my Waste Bin! https://ibb.co/7kr7mNK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Something odd about this!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What apps do not leave such things behind?
>>>>>
>>>>> By that comment you appear to think that they are legitimate!
>>>>>
>>>>> They MUST be there for a reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> WHAT reason?
>>>>
>>>> Your usual stance is that they are illegitimate. This has happened
>>>> throughout a large chunk of your computing life, how many times has it
>>>> *actually* been a problem?
>>>
>>> I do not KNOW why they are still on my computer, nor do I know whether
>>> or not they are nefarious.
>>
>> Yet, that hasn't stopped you from trying to slime people, to the point
>> where you get banned/shunned.
>
> I'm not 'sliming' anyone. I'm trying to establish the facts - the truth!
>
>>> How would you feel about contacting JD and discussing this whole
>>> scenario with him?
>>
>> I've no need, I know how the files get there and what they generally do.
>> I've stayed out of it because you ignored me the last time I tried to
>> help you. There's no upside for me as you don't listen anyway: that, and
>> I get your 'friend', Glasser, crawling all over the conversation with
>> his childish bullsh*t. I'm still waiting for the hypocrite to help you
>> with what you asked for in the last thread he turned into a pile of
>> sh*t. I will only ever help you when I feel like it and I'll do so in
>> the manner I believe you deserve (designed to make YOU do some of the
>> work). I'll say it AGAIN: IMO, you and your 'friend' are lucky anyone
>> ever responds to you on any topic.
>
> I can understand your point of view

You, ignoring my help and the crawler doing his crawling, isn't a "point
of view", it's a fact anyone can verify.

> and fully appreciate your modus
> operandi. However, I acknowledge that I do not have, nor ever will have,
> the technical skills required to dig deep enough to suss out anything
> untoward. I cannot make you do anything at all, but I /would/ appreciate
> your help.

You say that, yet, you ignored my previous attempts to help you, as well
as the attempts of other posters. You're clearly lying here, you only
want the 'help' you believe would aid you in pursuing your stalking
agenda. The idea that you seem to believe you've hidden this fact is
goofy.

On 2022-04-14 8:27 a.m., Steve Carroll wrote:
> On 2022-04-14, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 11/04/2022 17:59, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 11/04/2022 13:53, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 00:54, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>> On Apr 10, 2022 at 4:07:31 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>> <UqJ4K.551383$sb1.72491@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 10/04/2022 23:59, David Brooks adjusted his post to read:-
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've just run another check using EasyFind and there are STILL items
>>>>>>>>> from Etrecheck left active on my machine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *I have now deleted them*.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here they are in my Waste Bin! https://ibb.co/7kr7mNK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Something odd about this!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What apps do not leave such things behind?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By that comment you appear to think that they are legitimate!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They MUST be there for a reason.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> WHAT reason?
>>>>>
>>>>> Your usual stance is that they are illegitimate. This has happened
>>>>> throughout a large chunk of your computing life, how many times has it
>>>>> *actually* been a problem?
>>>>
>>>> I do not KNOW why they are still on my computer, nor do I know whether
>>>> or not they are nefarious.
>>>
>>> Yet, that hasn't stopped you from trying to slime people, to the point
>>> where you get banned/shunned.
>>
>> I'm not 'sliming' anyone. I'm trying to establish the facts - the truth!
>>
>>>> How would you feel about contacting JD and discussing this whole
>>>> scenario with him?
>>>
>>> I've no need, I know how the files get there and what they generally do.
>>> I've stayed out of it because you ignored me the last time I tried to
>>> help you. There's no upside for me as you don't listen anyway: that, and
>>> I get your 'friend', Glasser, crawling all over the conversation with
>>> his childish bullsh*t. I'm still waiting for the hypocrite to help you
>>> with what you asked for in the last thread he turned into a pile of
>>> sh*t. I will only ever help you when I feel like it and I'll do so in
>>> the manner I believe you deserve (designed to make YOU do some of the
>>> work). I'll say it AGAIN: IMO, you and your 'friend' are lucky anyone
>>> ever responds to you on any topic.
>>
>> I can understand your point of view
>
> You, ignoring my help and the crawler doing his crawling, isn't a "point
> of view", it's a fact anyone can verify.
>
>> and fully appreciate your modus
>> operandi. However, I acknowledge that I do not have, nor ever will have,
>> the technical skills required to dig deep enough to suss out anything
>> untoward. I cannot make you do anything at all, but I /would/ appreciate
>> your help.
>
> You say that, yet, you ignored my previous attempts to help you, as well
> as the attempts of other posters. You're clearly lying here, you only
> want the 'help' you believe would aid you in pursuing your stalking
> agenda. The idea that you seem to believe you've hidden this fact is
> goofy.
>
and i trust you to root out the goofies , you are our closest thing to
goofy detection we got

On Apr 14, 2022 at 8:32:59 AM MST, "%" wrote
<beudnTOWPIw2o8X_nZ2dnUU7-LudnZ2d@giganews.com>:

> On 2022-04-14 8:27 a.m., Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On 2022-04-14, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 11/04/2022 17:59, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/04/2022 13:53, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 00:54, Snit wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Apr 10, 2022 at 4:07:31 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>>>> <UqJ4K.551383$sb1.72491@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 10/04/2022 23:59, David Brooks adjusted his post to read:-
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've just run another check using EasyFind and there are STILL items
>>>>>>>>>> from Etrecheck left active on my machine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *I have now deleted them*.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here they are in my Waste Bin! https://ibb.co/7kr7mNK
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Something odd about this!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What apps do not leave such things behind?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By that comment you appear to think that they are legitimate!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They MUST be there for a reason.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> WHAT reason?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your usual stance is that they are illegitimate. This has happened
>>>>>> throughout a large chunk of your computing life, how many times has it
>>>>>> *actually* been a problem?
>>>>>
>>>>> I do not KNOW why they are still on my computer, nor do I know whether
>>>>> or not they are nefarious.
>>>>
>>>> Yet, that hasn't stopped you from trying to slime people, to the point
>>>> where you get banned/shunned.
>>>
>>> I'm not 'sliming' anyone. I'm trying to establish the facts - the truth!
>>>
>>>>> How would you feel about contacting JD and discussing this whole
>>>>> scenario with him?
>>>>
>>>> I've no need, I know how the files get there and what they generally do.
>>>> I've stayed out of it because you ignored me the last time I tried to
>>>> help you. There's no upside for me as you don't listen anyway: that, and
>>>> I get your 'friend', Glasser, crawling all over the conversation with
>>>> his childish bullsh*t. I'm still waiting for the hypocrite to help you
>>>> with what you asked for in the last thread he turned into a pile of
>>>> sh*t. I will only ever help you when I feel like it and I'll do so in
>>>> the manner I believe you deserve (designed to make YOU do some of the
>>>> work). I'll say it AGAIN: IMO, you and your 'friend' are lucky anyone
>>>> ever responds to you on any topic.
>>>
>>> I can understand your point of view
>>
>> You, ignoring my help and the crawler doing his crawling, isn't a "point
>> of view", it's a fact anyone can verify.
>>
>>> and fully appreciate your modus
>>> operandi. However, I acknowledge that I do not have, nor ever will have,
>>> the technical skills required to dig deep enough to suss out anything
>>> untoward. I cannot make you do anything at all, but I /would/ appreciate
>>> your help.
>>
>> You say that, yet, you ignored my previous attempts to help you, as well
>> as the attempts of other posters. You're clearly lying here, you only
>> want the 'help' you believe would aid you in pursuing your stalking
>> agenda. The idea that you seem to believe you've hidden this fact is
>> goofy.
>>
> and i trust you to root out the goofies , you are our closest thing to
> goofy detection we got

How does Carroll twist his need for drama as a sign he is seeking to help
others?

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Apr 14, 2022 at 2:23:55 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<LKR5K.219243$Xa1.122950@fx10.ams1>:

> On 11/04/2022 17:59, Steve Carroll wrote:
>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 11/04/2022 13:53, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On 11/04/2022 00:54, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Apr 10, 2022 at 4:07:31 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <UqJ4K.551383$sb1.72491@fx11.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 10/04/2022 23:59, David Brooks adjusted his post to read:-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've just run another check using EasyFind and there are STILL items
>>>>>>>> from Etrecheck left active on my machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *I have now deleted them*.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here they are in my Waste Bin! https://ibb.co/7kr7mNK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Something odd about this!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What apps do not leave such things behind?
>>>>>
>>>>> By that comment you appear to think that they are legitimate!
>>>>>
>>>>> They MUST be there for a reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> WHAT reason?
>>>>
>>>> Your usual stance is that they are illegitimate. This has happened
>>>> throughout a large chunk of your computing life, how many times has it
>>>> *actually* been a problem?
>>>
>>> I do not KNOW why they are still on my computer, nor do I know whether
>>> or not they are nefarious.
>>
>> Yet, that hasn't stopped you from trying to slime people, to the point
>> where you get banned/shunned.
>
> I'm not 'sliming' anyone. I'm trying to establish the facts - the truth!
>
>>> How would you feel about contacting JD and discussing this whole
>>> scenario with him?
>>
>> I've no need, I know how the files get there and what they generally do.
>> I've stayed out of it because you ignored me the last time I tried to
>> help you. There's no upside for me as you don't listen anyway: that, and
>> I get your 'friend', Glasser, crawling all over the conversation with
>> his childish bullsh*t. I'm still waiting for the hypocrite to help you
>> with what you asked for in the last thread he turned into a pile of
>> sh*t. I will only ever help you when I feel like it and I'll do so in
>> the manner I believe you deserve (designed to make YOU do some of the
>> work). I'll say it AGAIN: IMO, you and your 'friend' are lucky anyone
>> ever responds to you on any topic.
>
> I can understand your point of view and fully appreciate your modus
> operandi. However, I acknowledge that I do not have, nor ever will have,
> the technical skills required to dig deep enough to suss out anything
> untoward. I cannot make you do anything at all, but I /would/ appreciate
> your help.

He will play games and push drama instead.

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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Apr 14, 2022 at 2:43:22 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
<_0S5K.20977$F4h.10947@fx07.ams1>:

> On 12/04/2022 19:29, Snit wrote:
>> On Apr 12, 2022 at 11:15:40 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>> <glj5K.29795$ep1.5859@fx03.ams1>:
>>
>>> On 12/04/2022 17:09, Snit wrote:
>>>> On Apr 12, 2022 at 12:05:01 AM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>> <xw95K.392829$Lc1.296469@fx12.ams1>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 12/04/2022 00:29, Snit wrote:
>>>>>> On Apr 11, 2022 at 3:07:48 PM MST, "David Brooks" wrote
>>>>>> <UE15K.57939$3b1.40537@fx14.ams1>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 21:58, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 11/04/2022 20:38, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-04-11, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> (snip)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Will you explain WHY you are reluctant to contact the developer about
>>>>>>>>>>> this matter? It won't cost anything more than a few minutes of your time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why don't you write it up and if he's OK with the wording, go from
>>>>>>>>>> there? You're asking for his time, use less of it and convey the words
>>>>>>>>>> *you* want to convey <shrug>.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not a 'techie'. I've already rattled JD's cage sufficiently for him
>>>>>>>>> to refund the price I paid for his software. Logic tells me that an
>>>>>>>>> honest man would not do that. I suspect that the use of EtreCheck
>>>>>>>>> enables JD to manipulate the ASC forum posts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sigh... it never ends.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm suggesting that YOU compose the email sent to JD, asking the
>>>>>>>> questions YOU want answered and Glasser, if he agrees, will send it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have written directly to JD on many occasions previously.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sadly, he fails to respond, even when I write to try to help him, viz:-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://ibb.co/mJXpm0c
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> HTH
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you get no responses on that type of email it sounds like he has poor
>>>>>> support.
>>>>>
>>>>> As far as I'm aware, he's a one-man-band. Do you see him on LinkedIn?
>>>>
>>>> I see only one person tied to EtreSoft there: Tess Pierce. I do not really use
>>>> LinkedIn much, though, so maybe there are more I am missing.
>>>
>>> Thank you so much for looking, Snit! 🙂
>>>
>>> This was news there, for me:-
>>>
>>> Board Member, Cultural & Creative App Development Board Member, Cultural
>>> & Creative App Development
>>> Etresoft, Inc
>>> 2013 - Present · 9 yrs 4 mos
>>>
>>> Etresoft, Inc. is software development and consulting corporation that
>>> has been in business, in both the USA and Canada, since 1997. We have
>>> developed and shipped a number of consumer software tools for both
>>> Macintosh and Windows systems. Our products are used by major
>>> corporations, governments, educational institutions, and over half a
>>> million people. Read more about our products here:
>>> https://www.etresoft.com/#products
>>>
>>> Etresoft, Inc. personnel have consulted with and worked for major
>>> government agencies, militaries, and educational institutions. Etresoft,
>>> Inc.’s work has evolved from databases, to satellite command and control
>>> systems, to real-time simulators, to information science.
>>
>> OK, so they do a lot more than make than one piece of software.
>
> If you look today, you will find that that information has been removed!

Even in the past seemed the page had missing content:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060318024315/http://www.etresoft.com/products/

Odd.

>
> Something *IS* wrong with the whole Etresoft set-up. Maybe you can help
> me find out what if you can find the time. Perhaps Steve will help too.
> All I'm after is the truth and to stop 'bad guys' hurting others.

Seems they have a lousy website.

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They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Apr 14, 2022 at 8:19:47 AM MST, "Steve Carroll" wrote
<t39e2j$qnk$5@fretwizzer.eternal-september.org>:

> On 2022-04-14, David Brooks <BDB@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> (snip)
>
>>> OK, so they do a lot more than make than one piece of software.
>>
>> If you look today, you will find that that information has been removed!
>>
>> Something *IS* wrong with the whole Etresoft set-up. Maybe you can help
>> me find out what if you can find the time. Perhaps Steve will help too.
>> All I'm after is the truth and to stop 'bad guys' hurting others.
>
> Why would I help you stalk an innocent person?

You have done so since at least 2004.

> Are you so self focused
> and wrapped up in your goofy bullsh*t it makes sense to you that someone
> you view as your enemy would help you? If you're trying to convince
> people you gave up drinking, this isn't the way.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.