Nicholas D. Richards said:
>>
> George the mechanical drawing teacher

Eeh, you 'ad *robots* ?

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Mike Fleming said:
> On 06/03/2022 11:58, Tone wrote:
>> On 05/03/2022 01:09, Sn!pe wrote:
>>> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> Suspicious. Is this Boris's latest "don't you dare throw me out" move,
>>>> we might get a _pbzcrgrag_ ba*d, and then where would we be ?
>>>
>>> Without wishing to be offensive:  this is an example of why
>>> I'm no longer an active participant in my beloved Shed, my
>>> spiritual home froup for ~20 years.
>>>
>>> We now return you to your regular programming.
>>
>> Woz there ever an active unwritten rule that polly ticks should be
>> locked out of ye shedd?
>>
>> (Asking for a friend.)
>
> Just Sn!pe's rule. And I don't think that discussing the competence of a
> politician is in itself politics anyway.

In retrospect, it wasn't very funny, was it ? Never mind.

I'm glad I seem to have missed the excitement.

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In article <CYKdnUhy3oylN7b_nZ2dnUU7-NmdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Richard
Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> on Fri, 11 Mar 2022 at 13:59:52 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>Nicholas D. Richards said:
>>>
>> George the mechanical drawing teacher
>
>Eeh, you 'ad *robots* ?
>
Yup training for CAD but with pencil, pen, draughting board, etc,
without which you cannot design and build an Apollo space ship, St Pauls
Cathedral, or a humble left handed widget.
--
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"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 13:59:52 -0600
Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:

> Nicholas D. Richards said:
> >>
> > George the mechanical drawing teacher
>
> Eeh, you 'ad *robots* ?

Hmm, was he a retired autopilot ?

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Peter said:
> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote in news:1pobkcc.xbj1vz1m17qudN%snipeco.2
> @gmail.com:
>
>> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> Suspicious. Is this Boris's latest "don't you dare throw me out" move,
>>> we might get a _pbzcrgrag_ ba*d, and then where would we be ?
>>>
>>
>> Without wishing to be offensive: this is an example of why
>> I'm no longer an active participant in my beloved Shed, my
>> spiritual home froup for ~20 years.
>
> I can't help worrying about who would take over from Boris if they did
> evict him. The truss? Patel? Phrases involving words such as "frying pan"
> and "fire" come to mind.

Did you catch that Truss/Lavrov discussion of a few weeks ago ?

A couple of months back, I had a book out of the local library; an
English woman with a Russian mother, studying Russian at Uni, writing
about spending a year as a foreign student in a town in southwest
Russia. Place called Воронеж (Voronezh) ... wot the UK Minister for
Foreign officially informed the Russian minister that the UK will never
accept Russian occupation of. Fell for a trick question. Granted, it was
only by coincidence that I knew the answer our foreign misinster didn't,
but I still find it very disturbing that she's so dangerously
overconfident.

But, stay ! The plot thickens. WikiP tells us that it shouldn't be
confused with Voronizh-with-an-i, and goes on to mention a village
called Voronezh-with-an-e in ukraine; which, when I look for it on
googlemaps, is spelled Voronizh-with-an-i. Confusing, or what ? And it
only took 5 minutes to get confused. (I learnt the russian alphabet in
skool. It's not often useful. The relevant letters are the same in both
scripts, what fun !)

Bored, moi ?

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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

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On 12/03/2022 12:10, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Peter said:
>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote in news:1pobkcc.xbj1vz1m17qudN%snipeco.2
>> @gmail.com:
>>
>>> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> Suspicious. Is this Boris's latest "don't you dare throw me out" move,
>>>> we might get a _pbzcrgrag_ ba*d, and then where would we be ?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Without wishing to be offensive: this is an example of why
>>> I'm no longer an active participant in my beloved Shed, my
>>> spiritual home froup for ~20 years.
>>
>> I can't help worrying about who would take over from Boris if they did
>> evict him. The truss? Patel? Phrases involving words such as "frying pan"
>> and "fire" come to mind.
>
> Did you catch that Truss/Lavrov discussion of a few weeks ago ?
>
> A couple of months back, I had a book out of the local library; an
> English woman with a Russian mother, studying Russian at Uni, writing
> about spending a year as a foreign student in a town in southwest
> Russia. Place called Воронеж (Voronezh) ... wot the UK Minister for
> Foreign officially informed the Russian minister that the UK will never
> accept Russian occupation of. Fell for a trick question. Granted, it was
> only by coincidence that I knew the answer our foreign misinster didn't,
> but I still find it very disturbing that she's so dangerously
> overconfident.
>
> But, stay ! The plot thickens. WikiP tells us that it shouldn't be
> confused with Voronizh-with-an-i, and goes on to mention a village
> called Voronezh-with-an-e in ukraine; which, when I look for it on
> googlemaps, is spelled Voronizh-with-an-i. Confusing, or what ? And it
> only took 5 minutes to get confused. (I learnt the russian alphabet in
> skool. It's not often useful. The relevant letters are the same in both
> scripts, what fun !)
>
> Bored, moi ?
>

Kiev vs. Kyiv : afair first is Russian spelling and therefore most
common in wordwide usage, second is Ukranian spelling and thus less
common worldwide.
Above: seems Googlemaps uses Russian spelling.

At least, that's what I understood. I can't spell in either Russian or
Ukranian.

--
Chris Elvidge
England

Chris Elvidge said:
>>
>
> Kiev vs. Kyiv : afair first is Russian spelling and therefore most
> common in wordwide usage, second is Ukranian spelling and thus less
> common worldwide.
> Above: seems Googlemaps uses Russian spelling.

/Alphabet/ - the words written in it could be in other languages.
"Kyiv", frinstance, is a transliteration of the ukrainian
spelling/pronunciation. Umm ... I'm assuming Ukraine uses cyrillic,
mainly based on the way that gurglemops gives both, I don't actually
know, and am proud of my ability to be wrong.

Mooglegaps gives Cyrillic & Latin versions for some countries, only
Latin for others, I haven't spotted anywhere where it doesn't give a
latin version (#include political conclusions to taste). And further
east, Chinese + Latin. Here, that is, maybe it behaves differenly for
browsers elsewhere, ICBA to go globetrotting just to find out.

--
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On 2022-03-12, Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
> Peter said:
>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote in news:1pobkcc.xbj1vz1m17qudN%snipeco.2
>> @gmail.com:
>>
>>> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>

Looking at a program on tv a few years ago about russian agriculture
recovering after Gorbachov's blunders, the program was about a former
kolkoz (sp?) near a town called kalach, where a decisive battle was
fought during WWII. The place is now run by a German manager.

One of the problems that the US has with Russia is the Russian's won't
sell their land too foreigners, just lease it.

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On 2022-03-12, Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net> wrote:
> On 12/03/2022 12:10, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> Peter said:
>>> snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote in news:1pobkcc.xbj1vz1m17qudN%snipeco.2
>>> @gmail.com:
>>>
>>>> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>> Suspicious. Is this Boris's latest "don't you dare throw me out" move,
>>>>> we might get a _pbzcrgrag_ ba*d, and then where would we be ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Without wishing to be offensive: this is an example of why
>>>> I'm no longer an active participant in my beloved Shed, my
>>>> spiritual home froup for ~20 years.
>>>
>>> I can't help worrying about who would take over from Boris if they did
>>> evict him. The truss? Patel? Phrases involving words such as "frying pan"
>>> and "fire" come to mind.
>>
>> Did you catch that Truss/Lavrov discussion of a few weeks ago ?
>>
>>
>
> Kiev vs. Kyiv : afair first is Russian spelling and therefore most
> common in wordwide usage, second is Ukranian spelling and thus less
> common worldwide.
> Above: seems Googlemaps uses Russian spelling.
>
> At least, that's what I understood. I can't spell in either Russian or
> Ukranian.
>
>
>
I think its pronunciation (sp?). There is a city, now in Ukraine, that
in 1914 was part of Austria-Hungry, and called `Lemberg. After 1920, it
was Part of Poland, and called Lvov, and after WWII, is in Ukraine and
called Lviv, Cyrillic letters. During WWII, the City of Kharkov was
debated between Germany and Russia, with different names by each side.

In Ireland, there is a city up north called Derry by one side and
Londonderry by the other. I wait until I hear what the person I am
speaking to says the name, and I follow their usage, Not worth arguing
about.

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On 12 Mar 2022 14:27:03 GMT
maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:

> In Ireland, there is a city up north called Derry by one side and
> Londonderry by the other. I wait until I hear what the person I am
> speaking to says the name,

Then decide whether to order whisky or whiskey ?

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 07:56:27 -0600
Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:

> /Alphabet/ - the words written in it could be in other languages.
> "Kyiv", frinstance, is a transliteration of the ukrainian
> spelling/pronunciation.

Yep just as Bombay didn't really change name to become Mumbai we
just switched to using a (presumably) better transliteration.

--
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Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 14:10:40 -0600
Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:

> Mike Fleming said:
> > On 06/03/2022 11:58, Tone wrote:
> >> On 05/03/2022 01:09, Sn!pe wrote:
> >>> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> [...]
> >>>
> >>>> Suspicious. Is this Boris's latest "don't you dare throw me out" move,
> >>>> we might get a _pbzcrgrag_ ba*d, and then where would we be ?
> >>>
> >>> Without wishing to be offensive:  this is an example of why
> >>> I'm no longer an active participant in my beloved Shed, my
> >>> spiritual home froup for ~20 years.
> >>>
> >>> We now return you to your regular programming.
> >>
> >> Woz there ever an active unwritten rule that polly ticks should be
> >> locked out of ye shedd?
> >>
> >> (Asking for a friend.)
> >
> > Just Sn!pe's rule. And I don't think that discussing the competence of a
> > politician is in itself politics anyway.
>
> In retrospect, it wasn't very funny, was it ? Never mind.
>
> I'm glad I seem to have missed the excitement.
>

Mr Sn!pe is overly (IMO) sensitive about our Glorious Leader.

Maybe his feathers will unruffle with time, but I goov he's getting grumpier with age (as, I'm sure, am I).
--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
> On 12 Mar 2022 14:27:03 GMT
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> In Ireland, there is a city up north called Derry by one side and
>> Londonderry by the other. I wait until I hear what the person I am
>> speaking to says the name,
>
> Then decide whether to order whisky or whiskey ?

Really ? Gosh, can't life be made complicated.

But not to worry, Being pronounced the same way, the decision would be
made elsewhere.

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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

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Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 07:56:27 -0600
> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> /Alphabet/ - the words written in it could be in other languages.
>> "Kyiv", frinstance, is a transliteration of the ukrainian
>> spelling/pronunciation.

And questions of who came up with the noise to refer to that place to
start with[1]. "So good they named it twice. Differently".

[1] Nobody expects the Vikings !

> Yep just as Bombay didn't really change name to become Mumbai we
> just switched to using a (presumably) better transliteration.

Yes. And as for Chinese ...

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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

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On 12/03/2022 14:39, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On 12 Mar 2022 14:27:03 GMT
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> In Ireland, there is a city up north called Derry by one side and
>> Londonderry by the other. I wait until I hear what the person I am
>> speaking to says the name,
>
> Then decide whether to order whisky or whiskey ?
>
When in the place mentioned, there is only one recommended choice. They
make it not far away. The approved spelling is dictated by that fact.

"Water of life", transliterated into English, IIRC.

--
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John.

"Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in
news:20220312145813.b1cc27bbc15a3934df71551e@127.0.0.1:

> On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 14:10:40 -0600
> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> Mike Fleming said:
>> > On 06/03/2022 11:58, Tone wrote:
>> >> On 05/03/2022 01:09, Sn!pe wrote:
>> >>> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> [...]
>> >>>
>> >>>> Suspicious. Is this Boris's latest "don't you dare throw me out"
>> >>>> mov
> e,
>> >>>> we might get a _pbzcrgrag_ ba*d, and then where would we be ?
>> >>>
>> >>> Without wishing to be offensive:� this is an example of why
>> >>> I'm no longer an active participant in my beloved Shed, my
>> >>> spiritual home froup for ~20 years.
>> >>>
>> >>> We now return you to your regular programming.
>> >>
>> >> Woz there ever an active unwritten rule that polly ticks should be
>> >> locked out of ye shedd?
>> >>
>> >> (Asking for a friend.)
>> >
>> > Just Sn!pe's rule. And I don't think that discussing the competence
>> > of
> a
>> > politician is in itself politics anyway.
>>
>> In retrospect, it wasn't very funny, was it ? Never mind.
>>
>> I'm glad I seem to have missed the excitement.
>>
>
> Mr Sn!pe is overly (IMO) sensitive about our Glorious Leader.

Maybe I'm to blame for the kerfuffle. I cannot resist teasing the wader
about his sensitivity to political discussion in ye shedd. I shall try to
stay quiet should he re-appear (which I'm sure he will).

--
Peter
-----

Peter said:
> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in
>
>> Mr Sn!pe is overly (IMO) sensitive about our Glorious Leader.
>
> Maybe I'm to blame for the kerfuffle. I cannot resist teasing the wader
> about his sensitivity to political discussion in ye shedd. I shall try to
> stay quiet should he re-appear (which I'm sure he will).

ISTR the original suggestion was that the subject should be Forbidden
because people are liable to get wound up about it. It seems that Sn!pe
is more liable to that misfortune than most.

--
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

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Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
> On 12 Mar 2022 14:27:03 GMT
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> In Ireland, there is a city up north called Derry by one side and
>> Londonderry by the other. I wait until I hear what the person I am
>> speaking to says the name,
>
> Then decide whether to order whisky or whiskey ?

Let's call the whole thing off ?

--
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On 11-Mar-22 19:58, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Sam Plusnet said:
>>
>> We 'ad one of those rules, but I think someone used it to stir paint.
>
> So now it's a little bit longer. But is it a nicer colour ?

Actually, we have a length of cane which has been used for the stirring
of paint for a couple of decades now.
Each end has a build up of paint which make them at least double the
thickness of the middle section (it's beginning to look like a Q-tip).

It is currently white, but a cross section would probably look like one
of them bullseye gobstoppers we had as nippers.

Dendrochronology techniques applied to home decorating.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 12-Mar-22 19:53, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Peter said:
>> "Kerr-Mudd, John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote in
>>
>>> Mr Sn!pe is overly (IMO) sensitive about our Glorious Leader.
>>
>> Maybe I'm to blame for the kerfuffle. I cannot resist teasing the wader
>> about his sensitivity to political discussion in ye shedd. I shall try to
>> stay quiet should he re-appear (which I'm sure he will).
>
> ISTR the original suggestion was that the subject should be Forbidden
> because people are liable to get wound up about it. It seems that Sn!pe
> is more liable to that misfortune than most.

"Water off a wader's back." came to mind, for no good raisin.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 07/03/2022 19:58, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 06-Mar-22 23:55, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>
>> George the mechanical drawing teacher had a yardstick. You never argued
>> with it (or him).
>>
>> No idea why we called him that, his real name was Graham.
>
> Just another form of rebellion.
>
> I assume he didn't have a surname that lent itself to parody?
>

We had (not biblically) an inglish teacher called Juicy Bateman for two
reasons. He would spit as her talked. No-one sat in the front row.

Secondly he had a habit of saying, "Do you see, Boy?"

Tone

Sam Plusnet said:
> On 11-Mar-22 19:58, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> Sam Plusnet said:
>>>
>>> We 'ad one of those rules, but I think someone used it to stir paint.
>>
>> So now it's a little bit longer. But is it a nicer colour ?
>
> Actually, we have a length of cane which has been used for the stirring
> of paint for a couple of decades now.
> Each end has a build up of paint which make them at least double the
> thickness of the middle section (it's beginning to look like a Q-tip).
>
> It is currently white, but a cross section would probably look like one
> of them bullseye gobstoppers we had as nippers.
>
> Dendrochronology techniques applied to home decorating.

My Dad had a bent screwdriver like that, traces of layers of many
colours.

No, /not/ hens.

--
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"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On 12/03/2022 13:56, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Chris Elvidge said:
>>>
>>
>> Kiev vs. Kyiv : afair first is Russian spelling and therefore most
>> common in wordwide usage, second is Ukranian spelling and thus less
>> common worldwide.
>> Above: seems Googlemaps uses Russian spelling.
>
> /Alphabet/ - the words written in it could be in other languages.
> "Kyiv", frinstance, is a transliteration of the ukrainian
> spelling/pronunciation. Umm ... I'm assuming Ukraine uses cyrillic,
> mainly based on the way that gurglemops gives both, I don't actually
> know, and am proud of my ability to be wrong.
>
> Mooglegaps gives Cyrillic & Latin versions for some countries, only
> Latin for others, I haven't spotted anywhere where it doesn't give a
> latin version (#include political conclusions to taste). And further
> east, Chinese + Latin. Here, that is, maybe it behaves differenly for
> browsers elsewhere, ICBA to go globetrotting just to find out.

Good explanation here:

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/kyiv-or-kiev-ukraine-capital-name-changed-russia-war-how-pronouce-explained-1482981

On 12/03/2022 14:34, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 07:56:27 -0600
> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> /Alphabet/ - the words written in it could be in other languages.
>> "Kyiv", frinstance, is a transliteration of the ukrainian
>> spelling/pronunciation.
>
> Yep just as Bombay didn't really change name to become Mumbai we
> just switched to using a (presumably) better transliteration.

As the two words are pronounced differently, is it simply that we've
gone from calling it what the colonial English called it to calling it
what the Indians call it, and changed the transliteration
correspondingly? Rather like if the French started calling London
"London", or the English started calling Germany "Deutschland"?

The same goes for Beijing, which doesn't sound much like Peking unless
the "j" is pronounced the same as the "j" in Rioja.

On 2022-03-12, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On 12 Mar 2022 14:27:03 GMT
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> In Ireland, there is a city up north called Derry by one side and
>> Londonderry by the other. I wait until I hear what the person I am
>> speaking to says the name,
>
> Then decide whether to order whisky or whiskey ?

Yup. Jameson vs Bushmills is another good one.

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