On 2022-03-12, Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
>> On 12 Mar 2022 14:27:03 GMT
>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>
>>> In Ireland, there is a city up north called Derry by one side and
>>> Londonderry by the other. I wait until I hear what the person I am
>>> speaking to says the name,
>>
>> Then decide whether to order whisky or whiskey ?
>
> Let's call the whole thing off ?
>
>

My policy, when I was in business was to ignore all that, as long as the
currency was valid.

--
greymausg@mail.com
That's not a mousehole!

maus said:
> On 2022-03-12, Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
>>> On 12 Mar 2022 14:27:03 GMT
>>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In Ireland, there is a city up north called Derry by one side and
>>>> Londonderry by the other. I wait until I hear what the person I am
>>>> speaking to says the name,
>>>
>>> Then decide whether to order whisky or whiskey ?
>>
>> Let's call the whole thing off ?
>>
>>
>
> My policy, when I was in business was to ignore all that, as long as the
> currency was valid.

Whisk[e]y is probably best left till ohfvarff is finished, right enough.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 16:52:17 -0600, Richard Robinson
<richardR@privacy.net> wrote:

>Sam Plusnet said:
>> On 11-Mar-22 19:58, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>> Sam Plusnet said:
>>>>
>>>> We 'ad one of those rules, but I think someone used it to stir paint.
>>>
>>> So now it's a little bit longer. But is it a nicer colour ?
>>
>> Actually, we have a length of cane which has been used for the stirring
>> of paint for a couple of decades now.
>> Each end has a build up of paint which make them at least double the
>> thickness of the middle section (it's beginning to look like a Q-tip).
>>
>> It is currently white, but a cross section would probably look like one
>> of them bullseye gobstoppers we had as nippers.
>>
>> Dendrochronology techniques applied to home decorating.
>
>My Dad had a bent screwdriver like that, traces of layers of many
>colours.
>

I closed my eyes
Drew back the curtain
To see for certain
What I thought I knew

What was that? Oh, silly me. SCREWDRIVER of many colours.

I'll get my er.. um... coat?

Nick

In article <j94tuvFdtmcU1@mid.individual.net>, Mike Fleming
<mike@tauzero.co.uk> on Sun, 13 Mar 2022 at 00:59:10 awoke Nicholas
from his slumbers and wrote
>On 12/03/2022 14:34, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 07:56:27 -0600
>> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> /Alphabet/ - the words written in it could be in other languages.
>>> "Kyiv", frinstance, is a transliteration of the ukrainian
>>> spelling/pronunciation.
>>
>> Yep just as Bombay didn't really change name to become Mumbai we
>> just switched to using a (presumably) better transliteration.
>
>As the two words are pronounced differently, is it simply that we've
>gone from calling it what the colonial English called it to calling it
>what the Indians call it, and changed the transliteration
>correspondingly? Rather like if the French started calling London
>"London", or the English started calling Germany "Deutschland"?
>
>The same goes for Beijing, which doesn't sound much like Peking unless
>the "j" is pronounced the same as the "j" in Rioja.
>

Even in Spain the pronunciation of the "j" in Rioja varies, as to be
unrecognisably the same letter.

I see no great effort to get the French to pronounce Londres as
"London". Most of the time they are talking to another French person and
want to be understood by that French person.

Or the Americans to pronounce Cholmondeley as Cholmondeley <grin>.

Most English people have trouble pronouncing Fowey, Mousehole etc.

In France no one ever calls me by my masculine name (Nicholas). It was
always what would be in the UK a girls name. I understood and got over
it, PDQ.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

In article <hbSdnbQuq4TKI7D_nZ2dnUU7-dednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Richard
Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> on Sun, 13 Mar 2022 at 04:50:15 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>maus said:
>> On 2022-03-12, Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
>>>> On 12 Mar 2022 14:27:03 GMT
>>>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In Ireland, there is a city up north called Derry by one side and
>>>>> Londonderry by the other. I wait until I hear what the person I am
>>>>> speaking to says the name,
>>>>
>>>> Then decide whether to order whisky or whiskey ?
>>>
>>> Let's call the whole thing off ?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> My policy, when I was in business was to ignore all that, as long as the
>> currency was valid.
>
>Whisk[e]y is probably best left till ohfvarff is finished, right enough.
>
Unless the business is whisk(e)y tasting.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 10:48:33 +0000, Nick Odell
<nick@themusicworkshop.plus.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 16:52:17 -0600, Richard Robinson
> <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>Sam Plusnet said:
>>> On 11-Mar-22 19:58, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>> Sam Plusnet said:
>>>>>
>>>>> We 'ad one of those rules, but I think someone used it to stir
>>>>> paint.
>>>>
>>>> So now it's a little bit longer. But is it a nicer colour ?
>>>
>>> Actually, we have a length of cane which has been used for the
>>> stirring of paint for a couple of decades now.
>>> Each end has a build up of paint which make them at least double the
>>> thickness of the middle section (it's beginning to look like a Q-tip).
>>>
>>> It is currently white, but a cross section would probably look like
>>> one of them bullseye gobstoppers we had as nippers.
>>>
>>> Dendrochronology techniques applied to home decorating.
>>
>>My Dad had a bent screwdriver like that, traces of layers of many
>>colours.
>>
>>
> I closed my eyes Drew back the curtain To see for certain What I thought
> I knew
>
>
> What was that? Oh, silly me. SCREWDRIVER of many colours.
>
> I'll get my er.. um... coat?
>
> Nick

<applause>

:-)

Avpx

--
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who has a cool and exciting middle name".
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On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 10:50:59 +0000
"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

> Or the Americans to pronounce Cholmondeley as Cholmondeley <grin>.

It's bad enough hearing Americans pronounce van Gogh.

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

In article <isir2hlfcfidb2gbrdn0j06ivkaenr9bli@4ax.com>, Nick Odell
<nick@themusicworkshop.plus.com> on Sun, 13 Mar 2022 at 10:48:33 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 16:52:17 -0600, Richard Robinson
><richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>>Sam Plusnet said:
>>> On 11-Mar-22 19:58, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>> Sam Plusnet said:
>>>>>
>>>>> We 'ad one of those rules, but I think someone used it to stir paint.
>>>>
>>>> So now it's a little bit longer. But is it a nicer colour ?
>>>
>>> Actually, we have a length of cane which has been used for the stirring
>>> of paint for a couple of decades now.
>>> Each end has a build up of paint which make them at least double the
>>> thickness of the middle section (it's beginning to look like a Q-tip).
>>>
>>> It is currently white, but a cross section would probably look like one
>>> of them bullseye gobstoppers we had as nippers.
>>>
>>> Dendrochronology techniques applied to home decorating.
>>
>>My Dad had a bent screwdriver like that, traces of layers of many
>>colours.
>>
>
>I closed my eyes
>Drew back the curtain
>To see for certain
>What I thought I knew
>
>
>What was that? Oh, silly me. SCREWDRIVER of many colours.
>
>I'll get my er.. um... coat?
>
Is that your Côte d'amour?
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On 13/03/2022 09:26, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On 13 Mar 2022 08:54:22 GMT
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
>> On 2022-03-12, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On 12 Mar 2022 14:27:03 GMT
>>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> In Ireland, there is a city up north called Derry by one side and
>>>> Londonderry by the other. I wait until I hear what the person I am
>>>> speaking to says the name,
>>>
>>> Then decide whether to order whisky or whiskey ?
>>
>> Yup. Jameson vs Bushmills is another good one.
>
> Here in North Kerry that's an easy one, elsewhere not so much. You
> could always ask for something like The Tyrconnell and leave before anyone
> decides they know about it.
>

I've always liked Tullamore Dew.

--
Chris Elvidge
England

On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 11:20:04 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
<steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 10:50:59 +0000
>"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>
>> Or the Americans to pronounce Cholmondeley as Cholmondeley <grin>.
>
> It's bad enough hearing Americans pronounce van Gogh.

The Dutch seem to pronounce it as if they were clearing their throat
of something unpleasant - but what would they know?

Nick

On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 11:58:59 +0000, Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net>
wrote:

>On 13/03/2022 09:26, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On 13 Mar 2022 08:54:22 GMT
>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-12, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>> On 12 Mar 2022 14:27:03 GMT
>>>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In Ireland, there is a city up north called Derry by one side and
>>>>> Londonderry by the other. I wait until I hear what the person I am
>>>>> speaking to says the name,
>>>>
>>>> Then decide whether to order whisky or whiskey ?
>>>
>>> Yup. Jameson vs Bushmills is another good one.
>>
>> Here in North Kerry that's an easy one, elsewhere not so much. You
>> could always ask for something like The Tyrconnell and leave before anyone
>> decides they know about it.
>>
>
>I've always liked Tullamore Dew.

Their second album wasn't that bad

Nick

"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote in
news:ykWDhVATycLiFAei@salmiron.com:

>
> Even in Spain the pronunciation of the "j" in Rioja varies, as to be
> unrecognisably the same letter.

Similarly, double-l and v. The Spanish for key is pronounced "lyabvay" in
castilian. Some decades ago I asked for my hotel key in Uruguay and got a
puzzled look until I made key-turning gestures and was told that it was a
"shavay". Later, in Mexico, I was told it was a "zavay". All spelled the
same way - llave.

--
Peter
-----

On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 09:26:07 +0000
Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> On 13 Mar 2022 08:54:22 GMT
> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>
> > On 2022-03-12, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> > > On 12 Mar 2022 14:27:03 GMT
> > > maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> In Ireland, there is a city up north called Derry by one side and
> > >> Londonderry by the other. I wait until I hear what the person I am
> > >> speaking to says the name,
> > >

But pshurely the arksunt gaives it awoi?
("Did you ever get to hear Ian Paisley preach?": "Yes, I only lived a county over")

> > > Then decide whether to order whisky or whiskey ?
Have a Guinness, like everyone does.
> >
> > Yup. Jameson vs Bushmills is another good one.
>
> Here in North Kerry that's an easy one, elsewhere not so much. You
> could always ask for something like The Tyrconnell and leave before anyone
> decides they know about it.
>

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On 13/03/2022 15:05, Nick Odell wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 11:20:04 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
> <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 10:50:59 +0000
>> "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Or the Americans to pronounce Cholmondeley as Cholmondeley <grin>.
>>
>> It's bad enough hearing Americans pronounce van Gogh.
>
> The Dutch seem to pronounce it as if they were clearing their throat
> of something unpleasant - but what would they know?
>

A Dutch friend of mine once described their native tongue as "Not so
much a language as a throat affliction"

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

On 2022-03-13, John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> wrote:
> On 13/03/2022 15:05, Nick Odell wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 11:20:04 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
>> <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 10:50:59 +0000
>>> "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Or the Americans to pronounce Cholmondeley as Cholmondeley <grin>.
>>>
>>> It's bad enough hearing Americans pronounce van Gogh.
>>
>> The Dutch seem to pronounce it as if they were clearing their throat
>> of something unpleasant - but what would they know?
>>
>
> A Dutch friend of mine once described their native tongue as "Not so
> much a language as a throat affliction"

I made that joke in ye shedde years ago and was reminded that it originated
as a comment by Viktor Borge about Danish.

--
Bernard Peek
bap@shrdlu.com

"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> writes:

>
> I see no great effort to get the French to pronounce Londres as
> "London". Most of the time they are talking to another French person and
> want to be understood by that French person.

It says something about the Serapu that, even though the name of my
Canadian province ir *Latin*, they insist on applying a Serapuvsvrq
name.

> Or the Americans to pronounce Cholmondeley as Cholmondeley <grin>.

I once knew an American named Cholmondeley who did *not* pronounce it
as Cholmondeley. Last I heard, 1970s, he was working on an oil rig
off Texas. Don't know how the Texan roughnecks pronounced it.

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

John Williamson <johnwilliamson@btinternet.com> writes:

> A Dutch friend of mine once described their native tongue as "Not so
> much a language as a throat affliction"

I once read a Dutch novel (in English translation) in which one of the
characters referred to "the beauty of the Dutch language." There was
footnote, the only footnote in the book.

The footnote read, "The translator begs to differ,"

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <87pmmpva19.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> on Sun, 13 Mar 2022 at 18:04:50 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>
>"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> writes:
>
>>
>> I see no great effort to get the French to pronounce Londres as
>> "London". Most of the time they are talking to another French person and
>> want to be understood by that French person.
>
>It says something about the Serapu that, even though the name of my
>Canadian province ir *Latin*, they insist on applying a Serapuvsvrq
>name.
>
Prey tell do the French and the Quebecois call New Scotland <grin> the
same thing?
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On 13 Mar 2022 18:04:50 -0300, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:

>
>"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> writes:
>
>>
>> I see no great effort to get the French to pronounce Londres as
>> "London". Most of the time they are talking to another French person and
>> want to be understood by that French person.
>
>It says something about the Serapu that, even though the name of my
>Canadian province ir *Latin*, they insist on applying a Serapuvsvrq
>name.
>
>> Or the Americans to pronounce Cholmondeley as Cholmondeley <grin>.
>
>I once knew an American named Cholmondeley who did *not* pronounce it
>as Cholmondeley. Last I heard, 1970s, he was working on an oil rig
>off Texas. Don't know how the Texan roughnecks pronounced it.

How did the Texan roughnecks pronounce it? Any damn way they wanted
to: they're Texan roughnecks.

Nick

On 13-Mar-22 9:47, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Mike Fleming said:
>> On 12/03/2022 14:34, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 07:56:27 -0600
>>> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> /Alphabet/ - the words written in it could be in other languages.
>>>> "Kyiv", frinstance, is a transliteration of the ukrainian
>>>> spelling/pronunciation.
>>>
>>> Yep just as Bombay didn't really change name to become Mumbai we
>>> just switched to using a (presumably) better transliteration.
>>
>> As the two words are pronounced differently, is it simply that we've
>> gone from calling it what the colonial English called it to calling it
>> what the Indians call it, and changed the transliteration
>> correspondingly? Rather like if the French started calling London
>> "London", or the English started calling Germany "Deutschland"?
>>
>> The same goes for Beijing, which doesn't sound much like Peking unless
>> the "j" is pronounced the same as the "j" in Rioja.
>
> See also "Købnhavn"

Wonderful Wonderful.

(You don't get many salty old queens of the sea nowadays.)

--
Sam Plusnet

On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 11:58:59 +0000, Chris Elvidge <chris@mshome.net>
wrote:

>On 13/03/2022 09:26, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>> On 13 Mar 2022 08:54:22 GMT
>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2022-03-12, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>> On 12 Mar 2022 14:27:03 GMT
>>>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In Ireland, there is a city up north called Derry by one side and
>>>>> Londonderry by the other. I wait until I hear what the person I am
>>>>> speaking to says the name,
>>>>
>>>> Then decide whether to order whisky or whiskey ?
>>>
>>> Yup. Jameson vs Bushmills is another good one.
>>
>> Here in North Kerry that's an easy one, elsewhere not so much. You
>> could always ask for something like The Tyrconnell and leave before anyone
>> decides they know about it.
>>
>
>I've always liked Tullamore Dew.
Over here in the USA, I once attended a conference in Los Angeles.
After a meeting, several of us went to a large, formal bar with
skylights and shrubbery abounding.
The waiter, a tall, formal chap in a spotless red coat asked what
we'd like.
I said, "I don't suppose you have Irish.." hoping for Tullamore Dew.
He replied quietly, in a veddy formal British accent, "Not really...
we have Bushmills."
I ordered a brandy.

"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> writes:

> Prey tell do the French and the Quebecois call New Scotland <grin> the
> same thing?

To be perfectly fair, I have never spoken to or corresponded with
either a French person or a Quebecois on the subject so while "Nouvelle
Ecosse" shows up in many bilingual Canadian places, I can't be
entirely certain that it isn't the result of overzealus anglophones
trying to be politically correct.

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

Nicholas D. Richards said:
> In article <j94tuvFdtmcU1@mid.individual.net>, Mike Fleming
><mike@tauzero.co.uk> on Sun, 13 Mar 2022 at 00:59:10 awoke Nicholas
> from his slumbers and wrote
>>On 12/03/2022 14:34, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 07:56:27 -0600
>>> Richard Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> /Alphabet/ - the words written in it could be in other languages.
>>>> "Kyiv", frinstance, is a transliteration of the ukrainian
>>>> spelling/pronunciation.
>>>
>>> Yep just as Bombay didn't really change name to become Mumbai we
>>> just switched to using a (presumably) better transliteration.
>>
>>As the two words are pronounced differently, is it simply that we've
>>gone from calling it what the colonial English called it to calling it
>>what the Indians call it, and changed the transliteration
>>correspondingly? Rather like if the French started calling London
>>"London", or the English started calling Germany "Deutschland"?
>>
>>The same goes for Beijing, which doesn't sound much like Peking unless
>>the "j" is pronounced the same as the "j" in Rioja.
>>
>
> Even in Spain the pronunciation of the "j" in Rioja varies, as to be
> unrecognisably the same letter.
>
> I see no great effort to get the French to pronounce Londres as
> "London". Most of the time they are talking to another French person and
> want to be understood by that French person.
>
> Or the Americans to pronounce Cholmondeley as Cholmondeley <grin>.
>
> Most English people have trouble pronouncing Fowey, Mousehole etc.
>
> In France no one ever calls me by my masculine name (Nicholas). It was
> always what would be in the UK a girls name. I understood and got over
> it, PDQ.

I have very occasionally been Rashid.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Kerr-Mudd, John said:
> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>> > On 2022-03-12, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> > > maus <maus@dmaus.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> In Ireland, there is a city up north called Derry by one side and
>> > >> Londonderry by the other. I wait until I hear what the person I am
>> > >> speaking to says the name,
>> > >
>
> But pshurely the arksunt gaives it awoi?
> ("Did you ever get to hear Ian Paisley preach?": "Yes, I only lived a county over")

ISIHAC, One Song to The Accent Of Another - 'Not Fade Away" à la Paisley.
"I'm gonna /tell/ ya how it's gonna be" ... terrifying.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On 13/03/2022 17:32, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>
>>>> Then decide whether to order whisky or whiskey ?
>
> Have a Guinness, like everyone does.

Unless they have a Murphy's. Dublin v. Cork.