On 11-Mar-22 20:22, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 19:15:52 +0000
> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> If you don't have an internet connection, what could you be doing which
>> would require a token?
>
> I *could* set up toof actor log in on my BSD boxes if really
> wanted to and then I'd need a token to log in.
>
Milk tokens never needed no internet. Them were the daze.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 11-Mar-22 19:56, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Bernard Peek said:
>> On 2022-03-10, Nick Odell <nick@themusicworkshop.plus.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> But times have changed. I do my banking from a laptop using a fresh
>>>>> Live Linux iteration which I shut down after each session and I think
>>>>> I'm pretty secure. I don't own anything one could meaningfully call a
>>>>> smartphone: am I going to have to buy one and learn how to use it?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Almost certainly.
>>>
>>> Trouble is that, if I buy one and set about learning how to use it, by
>>> the time I've mastered the system it will be out-of-date.
>>
>> You don't have to master the system. It's a tool for use by the man on the
>> Clapham Omnibus. You could try to master the system but then it will
>> certainly be out-of-date before you succeed.
>
> Some days you master the system, other days the system masters you ?
>
>
And now, you need an Oyster to get on that Omnibus.

Which is remarkably shellfish of them.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 11/03/2022 16:47, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 15:45:41 +0000
> Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I do find biometric logins rather handy,
>
> They are, until the day the fingerprint sensor dies in the phobile
> and you suddenly find yourself trying to unforget a whole bunch of
> passworms and pins wot haven't been used in ages and ages - and I *still*
> keep dabbing my finger in the useless hole on the back of the thing.

Wait till you have a fern with the fingerprint sensor in the screen. I
vastly preferred my old Nexus 6 [1] with the reader in the back, it's
more awkward to use the screen one and it misreads far more often than
the one on the back. Sadly, it looks like back-mounted readers are no more.

[1] All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die.

On 11/03/2022 19:11, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 11-Mar-22 17:07, Tim+ wrote:
>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 15:45:41 +0000
>>> Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do find biometric logins rather handy,
>>>
>>>     They are, until the day the fingerprint sensor dies in the phobile
>>> and you suddenly find yourself trying to unforget a whole bunch of
>>> passworms and pins wot haven't been used in ages and ages - and I
>>> *still*
>>> keep dabbing my finger in the useless hole on the back of the thing.
>>>
>>
>> Sometimes it’s my fingerprint that fails after sawing and stacking
>> lots of
>> logs.  Recovers after a few days.
>
> That too, but just washing my hands is enough to ubgger the thing up for
> the next ten minutes.
>

Mother got almost got identified as an alien at Chicago airport, when
fingerprint scanners couldn't find her assured human fingerprints.

The secret fix is to rub your fingers through ya hair, and get them
oiled with natural.

I was standing there like hoping I would not be next identified as as
the son of an alien.

I mean, applying this anti-green pigment paint is a messy job.

(Er, whoops - I said that out loud)

--
Not Mekon

In article <hbSdnbouq4SpILD_nZ2dnUU7-dednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Richard
Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> on Sun, 13 Mar 2022 at 04:45:24 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>Sam Plusnet said:
>> On 11-Mar-22 19:56, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>>
>>> Some days you master the system, other days the system masters you ?
>>>
>> And now, you need an Oyster to get on that Omnibus.
>>
>> Which is remarkably shellfish of them.
>
>One of the arjfcncref today has a piece about a "Mollusc of the year"
>pbzcrgvgvba.
>
>
Is the 1st prize for the winning mollusc to escape. Mind yew if the
winning mollusc is an octopus it has probably already escaped.

I do not know if it is an urban miff, but there is a story of a seaside
aquarium who found that its fish were disappearing overnight. When they
staked the aquarium out, overnight. They discovered their octopus was
squeezing out of its aquarium and returning, having eaten its fill.

Octopuses along with eels and orang-utans are notorious escape artists
when in captivity. Eels can escape through the narrowest opening, as can
octopuses, however octopuses share an intelligence with orangs, that
allows them to escape after opening locked doors.

Orangs have been observed, observing their keepers opening doors, and
then using that observation for themselves to escape.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On 13/03/2022 09:45, Richard Robinson wrote:
> Sam Plusnet said:
>> On 11-Mar-22 19:56, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>>
>>> Some days you master the system, other days the system masters you ?
>>>
>> And now, you need an Oyster to get on that Omnibus.
>>
>> Which is remarkably shellfish of them.
>
> One of the arjfcncref today has a piece about a "Mollusc of the year"
> pbzcrgvgvba.
>
>

I really liked the painted snail. I think I'll go out later and find
some to colourify. Anyone got a spare screwdriver to stir the paint.

--
Chris Elvidge
England

"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> writes:

> Is the 1st prize for the winning mollusc to escape. Mind yew if the
> winning mollusc is an octopus it has probably already escaped.
>
> I do not know if it is an urban miff, but there is a story of a seaside
> aquarium who found that its fish were disappearing overnight. When they
> staked the aquarium out, overnight. They discovered their octopus was
> squeezing out of its aquarium and returning, having eaten its fill.

See: Sy Montgomery, The Soul of an Octopus, Atria (Simon & Schuster),
2015.

> Octopuses along with eels and orang-utans are notorious escape artists
> when in captivity. Eels can escape through the narrowest opening, as can
> octopuses, however octopuses share an intelligence with orangs, that
> allows them to escape after opening locked doors.

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <87h781v9ic.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> on Sun, 13 Mar 2022 at 18:16:11 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>
>"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> writes:
>
>> Is the 1st prize for the winning mollusc to escape. Mind yew if the
>> winning mollusc is an octopus it has probably already escaped.
>>
>> I do not know if it is an urban miff, but there is a story of a seaside
>> aquarium who found that its fish were disappearing overnight. When they
>> staked the aquarium out, overnight. They discovered their octopus was
>> squeezing out of its aquarium and returning, having eaten its fill.
>
>See: Sy Montgomery, The Soul of an Octopus, Atria (Simon & Schuster),
>2015.

Without remembering the details, I remember a programme on the idiot's
lantern made by one of Mike's compatriots (?) who lived on the West
Coast of Canada or, maybe, Alaska. He spent a winter with an octopus,
each getting to know each other. It was a delightful programme. The sad
part is that despite their intelligence octopuses have a relatively
short life, living long enough to bread just once.
>
>> Octopuses along with eels and orang-utans are notorious escape artists
>> when in captivity. Eels can escape through the narrowest opening, as can
>> octopuses, however octopuses share an intelligence with orangs, that
>> allows them to escape after opening locked doors.
>

--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On 13-Mar-22 10:54, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
> On 11/03/2022 19:11, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 11-Mar-22 17:07, Tim+ wrote:
>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 15:45:41 +0000
>>>> Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I do find biometric logins rather handy,
>>>>
>>>>     They are, until the day the fingerprint sensor dies in the phobile
>>>> and you suddenly find yourself trying to unforget a whole bunch of
>>>> passworms and pins wot haven't been used in ages and ages - and I
>>>> *still*
>>>> keep dabbing my finger in the useless hole on the back of the thing.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sometimes it’s my fingerprint that fails after sawing and stacking
>>> lots of
>>> logs.  Recovers after a few days.
>>
>> That too, but just washing my hands is enough to ubgger the thing up
>> for the next ten minutes.
>>
>
> Mother got almost got identified as an alien at Chicago airport, when
> fingerprint scanners couldn't find her assured human fingerprints.

The idea of being at Chicago airport is alien to me.

(I was invited to my Brother-in-law's (second) marriage in Chicago, but
declined on cost & covid grounds.)

Sam Plusnet

On 11/03/2022 19:15, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 11-Mar-22 12:15, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
>> On 10/03/2022 19:52, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
>>>> If you ignore those who:
>>>> a) Don't have, or want, a mobile, and/or those who
>>>> b) Cannot get a reliable mobile signal in their home.
>>>
>>>     The app based ones (but not the SMS based ones) use the internet
>>> connection so they'll jbex off the home notwork if needs be, which also
>>> helps with the infrastructure issue.
>>>
>>
>> The internet is only required to install/update the app.
>>
>> When in use for authentication, authenticator app displays time
>> expiring tokens just like the RSA hardware keys. I don't think they
>> require a live internet connection for that.
>>
> If you don't have an internet connection, what could you be doing which
> would require a token?
>

It's now common for office workers to be expected to use their personal
mobile phones (cheek!) to log themselves into the company desktop via 2FA.

I once jbexed in a hotel call centre that had little very mobile signal
for SMS as much of it was in a basement. So the google authenticator app
was the solution to that.

It also was a solution for those that didn't want to give their mobile
phone number to Google.

--
Adrian C

On 13-Mar-22 11:32, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:

> however octopuses share an intelligence with orangs, that
> allows them to escape after opening locked doors.

Which is why we must ensure we never keep octopuses and orang-utans in
the same aquarium.
They will unite and replace us as top species.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 13-Mar-22 12:03, Chris Elvidge wrote:
> On 13/03/2022 09:45, Richard Robinson wrote:
>> Sam Plusnet said:
>>> On 11-Mar-22 19:56, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Some days you master the system, other days the system masters you ?
>>>>
>>> And now, you need an Oyster to get on that Omnibus.
>>>
>>> Which is remarkably shellfish of them.
>>
>> One of the arjfcncref today has a piece about a "Mollusc of the year"
>> pbzcrgvgvba.
>>
>>
>
> I really liked the painted snail. I think I'll go out later and find
> some to colourify. Anyone got a spare screwdriver to stir the paint.

Have this one. I don't use it as a rule.

--
Sam Plusnet

On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 23:25:44 +0000, Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

>On 13-Mar-22 10:54, Adrian Caspersz wrote:
>> On 11/03/2022 19:11, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 11-Mar-22 17:07, Tim+ wrote:
>>>> Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 15:45:41 +0000
>>>>> Mike Fleming <mike@tauzero.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I do find biometric logins rather handy,
>>>>>
>>>>>     They are, until the day the fingerprint sensor dies in the phobile
>>>>> and you suddenly find yourself trying to unforget a whole bunch of
>>>>> passworms and pins wot haven't been used in ages and ages - and I
>>>>> *still*
>>>>> keep dabbing my finger in the useless hole on the back of the thing.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes it’s my fingerprint that fails after sawing and stacking
>>>> lots of
>>>> logs.  Recovers after a few days.
>>>
>>> That too, but just washing my hands is enough to ubgger the thing up
>>> for the next ten minutes.
>>>
>>
>> Mother got almost got identified as an alien at Chicago airport, when
>> fingerprint scanners couldn't find her assured human fingerprints.
>
>The idea of being at Chicago airport is alien to me.
>
>(I was invited to my Brother-in-law's (second) marriage in Chicago, but
>declined on cost & covid grounds.)
>
I was in transit through Chicago airport once. I had several hours to
spare so I went out and about through the city taking photographs of
the deserted streets.

Deserted streets in Chicago on a week day? Well, it was February, the
temperature was minus something near where Fahrenheit and Celsius
converge and I was the only one idiot enough to go out in that. Mad
Dogs and Englishmen, eh?

Still, I liked it enough to go back one summer and spend the best part
of a week exploring in the sunshine.

Nick

"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> writes:

> In article <87h781v9ic.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>, Mike Spencer
> <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> on Sun, 13 Mar 2022 at 18:16:11 awoke
>> See: Sy Montgomery, The Soul of an Octopus, Atria (Simon & Schuster),
>> 2015.
>
> Without remembering the details, I remember a programme on the idiot's
> lantern made by one of Mike's compatriots (?) who lived on the West
> Coast of Canada or, maybe, Alaska. He spent a winter with an octopus,
> each getting to know each other. It was a delightful programme. The sad
> part is that despite their intelligence octopuses have a relatively
> short life, living long enough to bread just once.

Perhaps if they would try to biscuit instead, it would be less
debilitating and they would live longer.

--
Mike Spencer Nova Scotia, Canada

In article <874k41uoot.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>, Mike Spencer
<mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> on Mon, 14 Mar 2022 at 01:45:54 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>
>"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> writes:
>
>> In article <87h781v9ic.fsf@bogus.nodomain.nowhere>, Mike Spencer
>> <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> on Sun, 13 Mar 2022 at 18:16:11 awoke
>>> See: Sy Montgomery, The Soul of an Octopus, Atria (Simon & Schuster),
>>> 2015.
>>
>> Without remembering the details, I remember a programme on the idiot's
>> lantern made by one of Mike's compatriots (?) who lived on the West
>> Coast of Canada or, maybe, Alaska. He spent a winter with an octopus,
>> each getting to know each other. It was a delightful programme. The sad
>> part is that despite their intelligence octopuses have a relatively
>> short life, living long enough to bread just once.
>
>Perhaps if they would try to biscuit instead, it would be less
>debilitating and they would live longer.
>
The curse of the spillchucker strikes again. Only the Di£t$es know what
I tipped to for the spillchucker to give us our daily breed.
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 09:19:28 +0000
"Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:

> The curse of the spillchucker strikes again. Only the Di£t$es know what
> I tipped to for the spillchucker to give us our daily breed.

and forgive us our bus passes ?

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

On 14/03/2022 10:19, Ahem A Rivet's Shot wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 09:19:28 +0000
> "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>
>> The curse of the spillchucker strikes again. Only the Di£t$es know what
>> I tipped to for the spillchucker to give us our daily breed.
>
> and forgive us our bus passes ?
>
Our Farnham, who art in Hendon,
Harrow road be Thy name.
Thy Kingston come; thy Wimbledon,
In Erith as it is in Hendon.
Give us this day our daily Brent,
And forgive us all our Westminsters
As we forgive those who Westminster against us.
Lead us not into Temple Station
But deliver us from Esher.
For Thine is the Kingston, the Tower, and the Crawley,[11]
For Iver and Iver.
Crouch End.

--
Tciao for Now!

John.

John Williamson wrote:

> Our Farnham, who art in Hendon,
> Harrow road be Thy name.
> Thy Kingston come; thy Wimbledon,
> In Erith as it is in Hendon.
> Give us this day our daily Brent,
> And forgive us all our Westminsters
> As we forgive those who Westminster against us.
> Lead us not into Temple Station
> But deliver us from Esher.
> For Thine is the Kingston, the Tower, and the Crawley,[11]
> For Iver and Iver.
> Crouch End.

I preferred Reasons to be Cheerful Pt3

Nicholas D. Richards said:
> In article <hbSdnbouq4SpILD_nZ2dnUU7-dednZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Richard
> Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> on Sun, 13 Mar 2022 at 04:45:24 awoke
> Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>>Sam Plusnet said:
>>> On 11-Mar-22 19:56, Richard Robinson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> Some days you master the system, other days the system masters you ?
>>>>
>>> And now, you need an Oyster to get on that Omnibus.
>>>
>>> Which is remarkably shellfish of them.
>>
>>One of the arjfcncref today has a piece about a "Mollusc of the year"
>>pbzcrgvgvba.
>>
>>
> Is the 1st prize for the winning mollusc to escape. Mind yew if the
> winning mollusc is an octopus it has probably already escaped.
>
> I do not know if it is an urban miff, but there is a story of a seaside
> aquarium who found that its fish were disappearing overnight. When they
> staked the aquarium out, overnight. They discovered their octopus was
> squeezing out of its aquarium and returning, having eaten its fill.

There was a novelty news story a handful of years ago about a lab
octopus in Germany that kept escaping. One of the lab people described
it as "a surprise octopus".

I kept hoping for a followup in which it had jumped out of a cupboard
shouting 'Boo !'.

> Octopuses along with eels and orang-utans are notorious escape artists
> when in captivity. Eels can escape through the narrowest opening, as can
> octopuses, however octopuses share an intelligence with orangs, that
> allows them to escape after opening locked doors.
>
> Orangs have been observed, observing their keepers opening doors, and
> then using that observation for themselves to escape.

Jolly good show ! Carry on those humanoids ...

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Nicholas D. Richards said:
>
> living long enough to bread just once.

Loaf-tins are longer than they used to be, mind.

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Ahem A Rivet's Shot said:
> On Mon, 14 Mar 2022 09:19:28 +0000
> "Nicholas D. Richards" <nicholas@salmiron.com> wrote:
>
>> The curse of the spillchucker strikes again. Only the Di£t$es know what
>> I tipped to for the spillchucker to give us our daily breed.
>
> and forgive us our bus passes ?

forge us ... ?

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

Sam Plusnet said:
> On 13-Mar-22 11:32, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>
>> however octopuses share an intelligence with orangs, that
>> allows them to escape after opening locked doors.
>
> Which is why we must ensure we never keep octopuses and orang-utans in
> the same aquarium.
> They will unite and replace us as top species.

Heck, yes. Swinging gaily from the light-fittings on all eight big hairy
arms ...

--
Richard Robinson
"The whole plan hinged upon the natural curiosity of potatoes" - S. Lem

My email address is at http://qualmograph.org.uk/contact.html

On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 23:30:31 +0000
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> Which is why we must ensure we never keep octopuses and orang-utans in
> the same aquarium.
> They will unite and replace us as top species.

Jet propelled orang-utans - Eeek!

--
Steve O'Hara-Smith
Odds and Ends at http://www.sohara.org/

In article <49udnVPmzv__sLL_nZ2dnUU7-V-dnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>, Richard
Robinson <richardR@privacy.net> on Mon, 14 Mar 2022 at 06:56:18 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>Sam Plusnet said:
>> On 13-Mar-22 11:32, Nicholas D. Richards wrote:
>>
>>> however octopuses share an intelligence with orangs, that
>>> allows them to escape after opening locked doors.
>>
>> Which is why we must ensure we never keep octopuses and orang-utans in
>> the same aquarium.
>> They will unite and replace us as top species.
>
>Heck, yes. Swinging gaily from the light-fittings on all eight big hairy
>arms ...
>
>
Swinging into a potential mate would bring new meaning to "she was drop
dead gorgeous".

(Elsewhere in this thread, meet mate, die)
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"

In article <20220314122723.bde0b03c66d5e65608603a86@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> on Mon, 14 Mar 2022 at 12:27:23 awoke
Nicholas from his slumbers and wrote
>On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 23:30:31 +0000
>Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> Which is why we must ensure we never keep octopuses and orang-utans in
>> the same aquarium.
>> They will unite and replace us as top species.
>
> Jet propelled orang-utans - Eeek!
>
Would they be octo-utans or orang-pussies?
--
0sterc@tcher -

"Où sont les neiges d'antan?"