https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358

"Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are also on
deck.

Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.

He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
officers."

Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
subdued it with his shovel first? :)

They also got his name wrong as well as his title.... Jon Olley
is/was Professor of Water Science at Griffith University (Brisbane)!

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On 4/12/2021 8:34 am, John_H wrote:
> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>
> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are also on
> deck.
>
> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>
> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
> officers."
>
> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
> subdued it with his shovel first? :)

Lol :)

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On 4/12/2021 5:34 am, John_H wrote:
> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>
> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are also on
> deck.
>
> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>
> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
> officers."
>
> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
> subdued it with his shovel first? :)
>

So not only do you admit to unlawfully dispatching snakes that pose no
threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy theorist.

Why am I not surprised.

On 4/12/21 5:11 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 4/12/2021 5:34 am, John_H wrote:
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>>
>>
>> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are also on
>> deck.
>>
>> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>>
>> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
>> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
>> officers."
>>
>> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
>> subdued it with his shovel first?  :)
>>
>
> So not only do you admit to  unlawfully dispatching snakes that pose no
> threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy theorist.
>
> Why am I not surprised.
>
My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 4/12/2021 5:11 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 4/12/2021 5:34 am, John_H wrote:
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>>
>>
>> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are also on
>> deck.
>>
>> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>>
>> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
>> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
>> officers."
>>
>> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
>> subdued it with his shovel first?  :)
>>
>
> So not only do you admit to  unlawfully dispatching snakes that pose
> no threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy theorist.
>
> Why am I not surprised.
>

hard to imagine that it would obligingly climb onto a shovel and sit
there peacefully while being transported if it hadn't been belted half
to death!

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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

Clocky wrote:
>On 4/12/2021 5:34 am, John_H wrote:
>
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>>
>> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are also on
>> deck.
>>
>> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>>
>> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
>> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
>> officers."
>>
>> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
>> subdued it with his shovel first? :)
>>
>
>So not only do you admit to unlawfully dispatching snakes that pose no
>threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy theorist.
>
>Why am I not surprised.

ROFL

I'd also assumed that not even you would be so stupid as to believe
that any rational person would attempt to pick up a healthy eastern
brown with a shovel!

Feel free to prove me wrong! :)

--
John H

Xeno wrote:
>
>My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.

I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
law)! :)

--
John H

On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 06:32:59 +1000, John_H wrote:

> Xeno wrote:
>>
>>My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>>the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>>body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>>park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>>get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>>watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>
> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
> law)! :)

Could you point out the text which states, or even implies, that the python
was 'kept'?

alvey

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On 5/12/2021 7:32 am, John_H wrote:
> Clocky wrote:

>> So not only do you admit to unlawfully dispatching snakes that pose no
>> threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy theorist.
>>
>> Why am I not surprised.
>
> ROFL
>
> I'd also assumed that not even you would be so stupid as to believe
> that any rational person would attempt to pick up a healthy eastern
> brown with a shovel!
>
> Feel free to prove me wrong! :)

I really don't know what's wrong with this utter moron. The law has been
laid out for him in plain enough language that even *Felix* understands
it, yet he *still* refuses to accept it and insists that his own
ridiculous belief is the law.

Some people are just completely incapable of getting over themselves....

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Noddy.

On 5/12/2021 7:32 am, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>>
>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>
> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
> law)! :)

No need. His "mate", ;like all his others, only ever exist in his mind
and get dragged out for a bit of conversation relevance. Irrespective of
whatever you happen to be talking about :)

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 5/12/2021 8:26 am, alvey wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 06:32:59 +1000, John_H wrote:
>
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>> law)! :)
> Could you point out the text which states, or even implies, that the python
> was 'kept'?
>
>

Xeno said 'his python' twice

> alvey
>

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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 4/12/21 5:11 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 4/12/2021 5:34 am, John_H wrote:
>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>>>
>>>
>>> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are also on
>>> deck.
>>>
>>> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>>>
>>> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
>>> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
>>> officers."
>>>
>>> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
>>> subdued it with his shovel first?  :)
>>>
>>
>> So not only do you admit to  unlawfully dispatching snakes that pose
>> no threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy theorist.
>>
>> Why am I not surprised.
>>
> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill
> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
> near the deck.
>

i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a deadly
danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

alvey <alvey@is.invalid> wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 06:32:59 +1000, John_H wrote:
>
>> Xeno wrote:
>>>
>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>
>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>> law)! :)
>
> Could you point out the text which states, or even implies, that the python
> was 'kept'?
>
>
>
> alvey
>

Indeed, I do not recall even intimating it was a “pet” python.

———
Xeno

On 5/12/2021 10:28 am, Xeno wrote:
> alvey <alvey@is.invalid> wrote:
>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 06:32:59 +1000, John_H wrote:
>>
>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>> law)! :)
>> Could you point out the text which states, or even implies, that the python
>> was 'kept'?
>>
>>
>>
>> alvey
>>
> Indeed, I do not recall even intimating it was a “pet” python.

then why did you say 'his' python?

>
> ———
> Xeno
>
>

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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 5/12/2021 8:26 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 06:32:59 +1000, John_H wrote:
>>
>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>> law)! :)
>> Could you point out the text which states, or even implies, that the python
>> was 'kept'?
>>
>>
>
> Xeno said 'his python' twice
>
>
>> alvey
>>
>

His only in the sense that it lived on his rural block and hung around
keeping the vermin at bay, like the rabbits he’s now overrun with. No
different to the blue tongue lizard I have in my backyard. I consider it to
be mine but I don’t “own” it and it isn’t a pet as such.

He’s been asking his neighbours if they have a spare python that needs to
be “relocated”. His wife was never keen on the python but she preferred
that to the browns that are common in the area.

———
Xeno

Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 4/12/21 5:11 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 4/12/2021 5:34 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are also on
>>>> deck.
>>>>
>>>> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>>>>
>>>> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
>>>> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
>>>> officers."
>>>>
>>>> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
>>>> subdued it with his shovel first?  :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> So not only do you admit to  unlawfully dispatching snakes that pose
>>> no threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy theorist.
>>>
>>> Why am I not surprised.
>>>
>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill
>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
>> near the deck.
>>
>
> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a deadly
> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>

Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you invariably end
up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about how that
works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.

———
Xeno

On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 10:32:05 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 5/12/2021 10:28 am, Xeno wrote:
>> alvey <alvey@is.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 06:32:59 +1000, John_H wrote:
>>>
>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>>> law)! :)
>>> Could you point out the text which states, or even implies, that the python
>>> was 'kept'?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> alvey
>>>
>> Indeed, I do not recall even intimating it was a “pet” python.
>
> then why did you say 'his' python?

Because it's easier than saying, 'the python that lives around his property
but which he has no ownership of or cages in any manner'. It's "his" in the
same sense that I refer to the pandemonium of wild parrots I feed as
'mine'.

alvey

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On 5/12/21 7:32 am, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>>
>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>
> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
> law)! :)
>
No need, his python is *free range*, free to come and go as he pleased.
Or was, it is now deceased.

--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 5/12/21 9:44 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 5/12/2021 7:32 am, John_H wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>>
>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>
>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>> law)!  :)
>
> No need. His "mate", ;like all his others, only ever exist in his mind
> and get dragged out for a bit of conversation relevance. Irrespective of
> whatever you happen to be talking about :)
>
Try not to *project* your experience onto others Darren. My friends
actually exist, unlike your trade qualifications and claimed business
ownership. This particular mate used to own the Benz SUV I have
mentioned previously in this forum. He lives in *Heritage Park*, an
acreage estate in Moonee Beach. His estate makes your Merrimu estate on
that bleak mesa look like a desert in comparison.

--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 5/12/21 12:03 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 10:32:05 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> On 5/12/2021 10:28 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> alvey <alvey@is.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 06:32:59 +1000, John_H wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>>>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>>>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>>>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>>>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>>>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>>>> law)! :)
>>>> Could you point out the text which states, or even implies, that the python
>>>> was 'kept'?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> alvey
>>>>
>>> Indeed, I do not recall even intimating it was a “pet” python.
>>
>> then why did you say 'his' python?
>
> Because it's easier than saying, 'the python that lives around his property
> but which he has no ownership of or cages in any manner'. It's "his" in the
> same sense that I refer to the pandemonium of wild parrots I feed as
> 'mine'.
>
>
> alvey
>
Yep, same as I regard the blue tongue lizard here as *mine*. I can walk
up near the lizard and he doesn't feel threatened by me. Keeps the
snails down in the garden too - mutual benefit arrangement.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 5/12/2021 12:03 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 10:32:05 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> On 5/12/2021 10:28 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> alvey <alvey@is.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 06:32:59 +1000, John_H wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>>>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>>>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>>>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>>>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>>>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>>>> law)! :)
>>>> Could you point out the text which states, or even implies, that the python
>>>> was 'kept'?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> alvey
>>>>
>>> Indeed, I do not recall even intimating it was a “pet” python.
>> then why did you say 'his' python?
> Because it's easier than saying, 'the python that lives around his property
> but which he has no ownership of or cages in any manner'. It's "his" in the
> same sense that I refer to the pandemonium of wild parrots I feed as
> 'mine'.

I never refer to the doves I feed as 'mine'.

http://austek.info/pics/doves.jpg

>
>
> alvey
>

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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 5/12/2021 12:56 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 5/12/21 12:03 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 10:32:05 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/12/2021 10:28 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> alvey <alvey@is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 06:32:59 +1000, John_H wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in
>>>>>>> his garage
>>>>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>>>>> placed on its
>>>>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the
>>>>>>> national
>>>>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even
>>>>>>> if they
>>>>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I
>>>>>>> used to
>>>>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>>>>> law)!  :)
>>>>> Could you point out the text which states, or even implies, that
>>>>> the python
>>>>> was 'kept'?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> alvey
>>>>>
>>>> Indeed, I do not recall even intimating it was a “pet” python.
>>>
>>> then why did you say 'his' python?
>>
>> Because it's easier than saying, 'the python that lives around his
>> property
>> but which he has no ownership of or cages in any manner'. It's "his"
>> in the
>> same sense that I refer to the pandemonium of wild parrots I feed as
>> 'mine'.
>>
>>
>> alvey
>>
> Yep, same as I regard the blue tongue lizard here as *mine*. I can
> walk up near the lizard and he doesn't feel threatened by me. Keeps
> the snails down in the garden too - mutual benefit arrangement.
>

if I have a pet I refer to it as mine, but not other animals or creatures

--
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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 5/12/21 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 5/12/2021 12:03 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 10:32:05 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/12/2021 10:28 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> alvey <alvey@is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 06:32:59 +1000, John_H wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>>>>> garage
>>>>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed
>>>>>>> on its
>>>>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the
>>>>>>> national
>>>>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even
>>>>>>> if they
>>>>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I
>>>>>>> used to
>>>>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>>>>> law)!  :)
>>>>> Could you point out the text which states, or even implies, that
>>>>> the python
>>>>> was 'kept'?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> alvey
>>>>>
>>>> Indeed, I do not recall even intimating it was a “pet” python.
>>> then why did you say 'his' python?
>> Because it's easier than saying, 'the python that lives around his
>> property
>> but which he has no ownership of or cages in any manner'. It's "his"
>> in the
>> same sense that I refer to the pandemonium of wild parrots I feed as
>> 'mine'.
>
>
> I never refer to the doves I feed as 'mine'.
>
> http://austek.info/pics/doves.jpg
>
While my blue tongue lizard is in my yard, I consider it mine. Doesn't
mean I own it.

Consider this, you identify your friends as "my friends" but do you
"own" them? I think not. They are your friends because they come back to
you willingly and voluntarily. Same as my lizard. It knows it is safe
here and that we will not harm it.
>
>>
>>
>> alvey
>>
>

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Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 5/12/21 2:12 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 5/12/2021 12:56 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 5/12/21 12:03 pm, alvey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 10:32:05 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/12/2021 10:28 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> alvey <alvey@is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 06:32:59 +1000, John_H wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in
>>>>>>>> his garage
>>>>>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>>>>>> placed on its
>>>>>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the
>>>>>>>> national
>>>>>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even
>>>>>>>> if they
>>>>>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>>>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I
>>>>>>>> used to
>>>>>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>>>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>>>>>> law)!  :)
>>>>>> Could you point out the text which states, or even implies, that
>>>>>> the python
>>>>>> was 'kept'?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> alvey
>>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, I do not recall even intimating it was a “pet” python.
>>>>
>>>> then why did you say 'his' python?
>>>
>>> Because it's easier than saying, 'the python that lives around his
>>> property
>>> but which he has no ownership of or cages in any manner'. It's "his"
>>> in the
>>> same sense that I refer to the pandemonium of wild parrots I feed as
>>> 'mine'.
>>>
>>>
>>> alvey
>>>
>> Yep, same as I regard the blue tongue lizard here as *mine*. I can
>> walk up near the lizard and he doesn't feel threatened by me. Keeps
>> the snails down in the garden too - mutual benefit arrangement.
>>
>
> if I have a pet I refer to it as mine, but not other animals or creatures
>
I am reminded of the adage; If you love something, let it go. If it
comes back to you, its yours forever. If it doesn’t, then it never was.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Xeno wrote:
>Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>
>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill
>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
>>> near the deck.
>>>
>>
>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a deadly
>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>
>
>Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you invariably end
>up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about how that
>works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.

That simply isn't true!
During summer, when they're most active, an adult brown snake only
eats a rodent every couple of weeks or so. Brown snakes and mice (or
rats) happily coexist.
Adult Carpet Pythons will eat rabbits at about the same frequency.
They also hunt native birds (and chooks) but consume very few of
either.

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John H