On 5/12/21 2:38 pm, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>
>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill
>>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
>>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
>>>> near the deck.
>>>>
>>>
>>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a deadly
>>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>>
>>
>> Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you invariably end
>> up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about how that
>> works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.
>
> That simply isn't true!
> During summer, when they're most active, an adult brown snake only
> eats a rodent every couple of weeks or so. Brown snakes and mice (or
> rats) happily coexist.
> Adult Carpet Pythons will eat rabbits at about the same frequency.
> They also hunt native birds (and chooks) but consume very few of
> either.
>
Well, he will tell you he never had a problem with rabbits before the
python died. He now has heaps of rabbits. He puts it down to the absence
of his single python. I don't live on his block, I can only take his
word for it. Not so difficult to do since his name is not Darren.

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On 5/12/2021 2:12 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 5/12/21 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 5/12/2021 12:03 pm, alvey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 10:32:05 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/12/2021 10:28 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> alvey <alvey@is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 06:32:59 +1000, John_H wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in
>>>>>>>> his garage
>>>>>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>>>>>> placed on its
>>>>>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the
>>>>>>>> national
>>>>>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes
>>>>>>>> even if they
>>>>>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>>>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I
>>>>>>>> used to
>>>>>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>>>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>>>>>> law)!  :)
>>>>>> Could you point out the text which states, or even implies, that
>>>>>> the python
>>>>>> was 'kept'?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> alvey
>>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, I do not recall even intimating it was a “pet” python.
>>>> then why did you say 'his' python?
>>> Because it's easier than saying, 'the python that lives around his
>>> property
>>> but which he has no ownership of or cages in any manner'. It's "his"
>>> in the
>>> same sense that I refer to the pandemonium of wild parrots I feed as
>>> 'mine'.
>>
>>
>> I never refer to the doves I feed as 'mine'.
>>
>> http://austek.info/pics/doves.jpg
>>
> While my blue tongue lizard is in my yard, I consider it mine. Doesn't
> mean I own it.
>
> Consider this, you identify your friends as "my friends" but do you
> "own" them?

good point.

> I think not.

some think they own me  :(

> They are your friends because they come back to you willingly and
> voluntarily.

usually when they need me for something.  :(

> Same as my lizard. It knows it is safe here and that we will not harm it.

so do 'my' pigeons. I'm not saying you're wrong, calling things that
aren't yours, yours. it's just a figure of speech that we choose to use
differently.

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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 5/12/2021 3:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 5/12/21 2:38 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to
>>>>> kill
>>>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
>>>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
>>>>> near the deck.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>>>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a
>>>> deadly
>>>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you
>>> invariably end
>>> up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about
>>> how that
>>> works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.
>>
>> That simply isn't true!
>>   During summer, when they're most active, an adult brown snake only
>> eats a rodent every couple of weeks or so.  Brown snakes and mice (or
>> rats) happily coexist.
>> Adult Carpet Pythons will eat rabbits at about the same frequency.
>> They also hunt native birds (and chooks) but consume very few of
>> either.
>>
> Well, he will tell you he never had a problem with rabbits before the
> python died.

even tho it might not be eating many, it's mere presence was perhaps a
sufficient deterrent

> He now has heaps of rabbits. He puts it down to the absence of his
> single python. I don't live on his block, I can only take his word for
> it. Not so difficult to do since his name is not Darren.
>

hahaha.

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On 5/12/21 3:25 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 5/12/2021 3:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 5/12/21 2:38 pm, John_H wrote:
>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>>>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to
>>>>>> kill
>>>>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>>>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
>>>>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
>>>>>> near the deck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>>>>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a
>>>>> deadly
>>>>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you
>>>> invariably end
>>>> up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about
>>>> how that
>>>> works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.
>>>
>>> That simply isn't true!
>>>   During summer, when they're most active, an adult brown snake only
>>> eats a rodent every couple of weeks or so.  Brown snakes and mice (or
>>> rats) happily coexist.
>>> Adult Carpet Pythons will eat rabbits at about the same frequency.
>>> They also hunt native birds (and chooks) but consume very few of
>>> either.
>>>
>> Well, he will tell you he never had a problem with rabbits before the
>> python died.
>
>
> even tho it might not be eating many, it's mere presence was perhaps a
> sufficient deterrent
>
Yeah, I suspect that the python had a deterrence factor.
>
>> He now has heaps of rabbits. He puts it down to the absence of his
>> single python. I don't live on his block, I can only take his word for
>> it. Not so difficult to do since his name is not Darren.
>>
>
> hahaha.
>
>

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 5/12/2021 3:33 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 5/12/21 3:25 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 5/12/2021 3:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 5/12/21 2:38 pm, John_H wrote:
>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>>>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>>>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>>>>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need
>>>>>>> to kill
>>>>>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>>>>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his
>>>>>>> deck
>>>>>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes
>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> near the deck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>>>>>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a
>>>>>> deadly
>>>>>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you
>>>>> invariably end
>>>>> up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about
>>>>> how that
>>>>> works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.
>>>>
>>>> That simply isn't true!
>>>>   During summer, when they're most active, an adult brown snake only
>>>> eats a rodent every couple of weeks or so.  Brown snakes and mice (or
>>>> rats) happily coexist.
>>>> Adult Carpet Pythons will eat rabbits at about the same frequency.
>>>> They also hunt native birds (and chooks) but consume very few of
>>>> either.
>>>>
>>> Well, he will tell you he never had a problem with rabbits before
>>> the python died.
>>
>>
>> even tho it might not be eating many, it's mere presence was perhaps
>> a sufficient deterrent
>>
> Yeah, I suspect that the python had a deterrence factor.

rabbits probably know if there's a snake around and stay clear

>>
>>> He now has heaps of rabbits. He puts it down to the absence of his
>>> single python. I don't live on his block, I can only take his word
>>> for it. Not so difficult to do since his name is not Darren.
>>>
>>
>> hahaha.
>>
>>
>
>

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Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
> On 5/12/2021 10:28 am, Xeno wrote:
>> alvey <alvey@is.invalid> wrote:
>>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 06:32:59 +1000, John_H wrote:
>>>
>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>>> law)! :)
>>> Could you point out the text which states, or even implies, that the python
>>> was 'kept'?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> alvey
>>>
>> Indeed, I do not recall even intimating it was a “pet” python.
>
>
> then why did you say 'his' python?
>
Just echoing his sentiments towards the python. It’s on his block. It works
for him by cleaning up the vermin. It is not caged nor does he interact
with it as if it were a pet python. They have a symbiotic relationship, he
leaves it alone to go about the business of vermin reduction, a mutual
benefit arrangement. He was very sad when it passed away.

———
Xeno

On 5/12/2021 2:38 pm, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>
>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill
>>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
>>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
>>>> near the deck.
>>>>
>>>
>>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a deadly
>>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>>
>>
>> Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you invariably end
>> up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about how that
>> works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.
>
> That simply isn't true!

Worse than that. It's complete and utter invented bullshit :)

> During summer, when they're most active, an adult brown snake only
> eats a rodent every couple of weeks or so. Brown snakes and mice (or
> rats) happily coexist.

Yep. I have no doubt farmers who suffer from mice plagues in areas where
snakes are common will no doubt confirm this.

> Adult Carpet Pythons will eat rabbits at about the same frequency.
> They also hunt native birds (and chooks) but consume very few of
> either.

The idea that the current "catch and release" snake policy exists as a
form of "vermin control" is utterly nonsensical, and is yet *another*
perfect example of the levels of *bullshit* this moron will resort to in
order to have something to say.

This bloke is not playing with a full deck.

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Regards,
Noddy.

On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 14:01:11 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 5/12/2021 12:03 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 10:32:05 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/12/2021 10:28 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> alvey <alvey@is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 06:32:59 +1000, John_H wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>>>>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>>>>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>>>>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>>>>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>>>>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>>>>> law)! :)
>>>>> Could you point out the text which states, or even implies, that the python
>>>>> was 'kept'?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> alvey
>>>>>
>>>> Indeed, I do not recall even intimating it was a “pet” python.
>>> then why did you say 'his' python?
>> Because it's easier than saying, 'the python that lives around his property
>> but which he has no ownership of or cages in any manner'. It's "his" in the
>> same sense that I refer to the pandemonium of wild parrots I feed as
>> 'mine'.
>
> I never refer to the doves I feed as 'mine'.

Good for you. However a lot of people would.
>
> http://austek.info/pics/doves.jpg

Boring birds.
I get anywhere between 20 - 100 of the colourful, but seriously noisy
Rainbow Lorikeets every morning. I believe that they're not allowed in
Dictoria because they're too colourful.

https://tinyurl.com/mvnzckkj

alvey

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Xeno wrote:
>On 5/12/21 7:32 am, John_H wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>>
>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>
>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>> law)! :)
>>
>No need, his python is *free range*, free to come and go as he pleased.
>Or was, it is now deceased.

OK, so "his python" wasn't his... IOW "a python".

Also curious as to what species (carpet python being the most likely)
as they're typically all nocturnal?

I occasionally see a carpet python in the daytime, usually after
summer rain, but it's unusuall to see one basking in the sun,
especially during warmer weather.

They're very long lived so maybe it was senile! :)

--
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On 4/12/2021 2:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 4/12/21 5:11 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 4/12/2021 5:34 am, John_H wrote:
>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>>>
>>>
>>> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are also on
>>> deck.
>>>
>>> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>>>
>>> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
>>> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
>>> officers."
>>>
>>> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
>>> subdued it with his shovel first?  :)
>>>
>>
>> So not only do you admit to  unlawfully dispatching snakes that pose
>> no threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy theorist.
>>
>> Why am I not surprised.
>>
> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
> get into his garage.

There isn't a need to kill snakes. Only numbskulls stuck in the dark
ages kill snakes and, in situations they have described themselves in
here with clear photographic evidence, no reason at all and thus illegally.

His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>

Great to have around.

On 5/12/21 5:37 pm, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 5/12/21 7:32 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>
>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>> law)! :)
>>>
>> No need, his python is *free range*, free to come and go as he pleased.
>> Or was, it is now deceased.
>
> OK, so "his python" wasn't his... IOW "a python".

He considered the python to be his. He used the term, "my python" when
talking about it.
>
> Also curious as to what species (carpet python being the most likely)
> as they're typically all nocturnal?

This one would come out during the day. As for species, I wouldn't know,
they are all snakes to me. As I said, I used to see it sunning itself on
top of the bushes just over from his deck.
>
> I occasionally see a carpet python in the daytime, usually after
> summer rain, but it's unusuall to see one basking in the sun,
> especially during warmer weather.

It would alternate between sunning *on top* of the bush and going down
in amongst the leaves in the shade.
>
> They're very long lived so maybe it was senile! :)
>
My mate watch this one grow up from a wee tyke so not that old. Less
than 10 years I would think. I'll ask next time I visit.

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 5/12/21 5:51 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 4/12/2021 2:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 4/12/21 5:11 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 4/12/2021 5:34 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are also on
>>>> deck.
>>>>
>>>> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>>>>
>>>> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
>>>> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
>>>> officers."
>>>>
>>>> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
>>>> subdued it with his shovel first?  :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> So not only do you admit to  unlawfully dispatching snakes that pose
>>> no threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy theorist.
>>>
>>> Why am I not surprised.
>>>
>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill
>> snakes even if they get into his garage.
>
> There isn't a need to kill snakes. Only numbskulls stuck in the dark

Yep but calling them numbskulls is letting them off lightly.

> ages kill snakes and, in situations they have described themselves in
> here with clear photographic evidence, no reason at all and thus illegally.
>
My mate won't kill snakes, he relocates them. Did I mention he was a bit
of a greenie?
>
>  His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used
>> to watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>
>
> Great to have around.

I wouldn't mind having one around. My wife, maybe not.

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 5/12/2021 11:12 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 5/12/2021 12:56 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 5/12/21 12:03 pm, alvey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 10:32:05 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/12/2021 10:28 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> alvey <alvey@is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 06:32:59 +1000, John_H wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in
>>>>>>>> his garage
>>>>>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>>>>>> placed on its
>>>>>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the
>>>>>>>> national
>>>>>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even
>>>>>>>> if they
>>>>>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>>>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I
>>>>>>>> used to
>>>>>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>>>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>>>>>> law)!  :)
>>>>>> Could you point out the text which states, or even implies, that
>>>>>> the python
>>>>>> was 'kept'?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> alvey
>>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed, I do not recall even intimating it was a “pet” python.
>>>>
>>>> then why did you say 'his' python?
>>>
>>> Because it's easier than saying, 'the python that lives around his
>>> property
>>> but which he has no ownership of or cages in any manner'. It's "his"
>>> in the
>>> same sense that I refer to the pandemonium of wild parrots I feed as
>>> 'mine'.
>>>
>>>
>>> alvey
>>>
>> Yep, same as I regard the blue tongue lizard here as *mine*. I can
>> walk up near the lizard and he doesn't feel threatened by me. Keeps
>> the snails down in the garden too - mutual benefit arrangement.
>>
>
> if I have a pet I refer to it as mine, but not other animals or creatures
>

We have a frog that lives in the outside toy box near the heat pump. We
refer to it as 'our' frog. It's not a pet but because it has made it's
home at our house but we refer to it as 'ours'.

Same with 'our' bobtail that lives out the front of our house that takes
care of the snails in the garden.

Many people do this, it's not ownership but acknowledging that it is
living with us in a symbiotic manner.

On 5/12/2021 5:51 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 4/12/2021 2:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 4/12/21 5:11 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 4/12/2021 5:34 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are also on
>>>> deck.
>>>>
>>>> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>>>>
>>>> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
>>>> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
>>>> officers."
>>>>
>>>> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
>>>> subdued it with his shovel first?  :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> So not only do you admit to  unlawfully dispatching snakes that pose
>>> no threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy theorist.
>>>
>>> Why am I not surprised.
>>>
>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to
>> kill snakes even if they get into his garage.
>
> There isn't a need to kill snakes. Only numbskulls stuck in the dark
> ages kill snakes and, in situations they have described themselves in
> here with clear photographic evidence, no reason at all and thus
> illegally.

what photographic evidence? where?

>
>
>  His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used
>> to watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>
>
> Great to have around.

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On 5/12/2021 4:32 am, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>>
>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>
> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
> law)! :)
>

Nobody stated it was kept.

Pretty rich and desperate comment coming from someone who kills snakes
illegally.

On 5/12/21 6:09 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 5/12/2021 11:12 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 5/12/2021 12:56 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 5/12/21 12:03 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 5 Dec 2021 10:32:05 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/12/2021 10:28 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> alvey <alvey@is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 06:32:59 +1000, John_H wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in
>>>>>>>>> his garage
>>>>>>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>>>>>>> placed on its
>>>>>>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the
>>>>>>>>> national
>>>>>>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes
>>>>>>>>> even if they
>>>>>>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>>>>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I
>>>>>>>>> used to
>>>>>>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>>>>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>>>>>>> law)!  :)
>>>>>>> Could you point out the text which states, or even implies, that
>>>>>>> the python
>>>>>>> was 'kept'?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> alvey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Indeed, I do not recall even intimating it was a “pet” python.
>>>>>
>>>>> then why did you say 'his' python?
>>>>
>>>> Because it's easier than saying, 'the python that lives around his
>>>> property
>>>> but which he has no ownership of or cages in any manner'. It's "his"
>>>> in the
>>>> same sense that I refer to the pandemonium of wild parrots I feed as
>>>> 'mine'.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> alvey
>>>>
>>> Yep, same as I regard the blue tongue lizard here as *mine*. I can
>>> walk up near the lizard and he doesn't feel threatened by me. Keeps
>>> the snails down in the garden too - mutual benefit arrangement.
>>>
>>
>> if I have a pet I refer to it as mine, but not other animals or creatures
>>
>
> We have a frog that lives in the outside toy box near the heat pump. We
> refer to it as 'our' frog. It's not a pet but because it has made it's
> home at our house but we refer to it as 'ours'.
>
> Same with 'our' bobtail that lives out the front of our house that takes
> care of the snails in the garden.
>
> Many people do this, it's not ownership but acknowledging that it is
> living with us in a symbiotic manner.

Precisely! ;-)

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On 5/12/21 5:24 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 5/12/2021 2:38 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill
>>>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
>>>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
>>>>> near the deck.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>>>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a deadly
>>>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you
>>> invariably end
>>> up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about
>>> how that
>>> works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.
>>
>> That simply isn't true!
>
> Worse than that. It's complete and utter invented bullshit :)

What the hell would *you* know Darren. You're the one who *believed* the
weather here was worse than Merrimu. Hint, it isn't, it's way better.
>
>>   During summer, when they're most active, an adult brown snake only
>> eats a rodent every couple of weeks or so.  Brown snakes and mice (or
>> rats) happily coexist.
>
> Yep. I have no doubt farmers who suffer from mice plagues in areas where
> snakes are common will no doubt confirm this.

Mice plagues have a *different cause* Darren. Don't you know *anything*?
>
>> Adult Carpet Pythons will eat rabbits at about the same frequency.
>> They also hunt native birds (and chooks) but consume very few of
>> either.
>
> The idea that the current "catch and release" snake policy exists as a
> form of "vermin control" is utterly nonsensical, and is yet *another*
> perfect example of the levels of *bullshit* this moron will resort to in
> order to have something to say.

Ah, Darren, desperately trying to discredit me in order to boost your
own. Such a pity you have no creditability now, isn't it?

Say, here's an idea, you want to regain credibility, all you need do is
provide proof of your grandiose claims. You know the ones, proof of 3
apprenticeships, 2 trade qualifications and 15 years of business
ownership. While you're at it, proof of 20+ years of membership of the
VACC would be handy since they seem never to have heard of you or any of
your business names. Fronting up with proof like that would *cripple* my
credibility Darren. And you know you want to do just that! Your
continual derogatory comments aimed at my direction just don't cut it,
Darren, you need to provide something of substance - like real and
unequivocal proof of your manifold claims. I provided proof that I am a
qualified tradesman so a good start from your end would be a trade
qualification certificate *in your name* with the *unique* trade
registration number clearly visible. That way the *proof* can be
independently verified and, given your lack of integrity, that's
something that, clearly, would need to be done
>
> This bloke is not playing with a full deck.
>
There's a short deck here Darren but it's not mine. Check your deck out,
all you have are a bunch of jokers.

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 5/12/2021 7:41 am, Xeno wrote:
> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 4/12/21 5:11 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:34 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are also on
>>>>> deck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>>>>>
>>>>> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
>>>>> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
>>>>> officers."
>>>>>
>>>>> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
>>>>> subdued it with his shovel first?  :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So not only do you admit to  unlawfully dispatching snakes that pose
>>>> no threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy theorist.
>>>>
>>>> Why am I not surprised.
>>>>
>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill
>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
>>> near the deck.
>>>
>>
>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a deadly
>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>
>
> Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you invariably end
> up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about how that
> works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.
>

There is simply no reason to kill snakes period. The risk they pose is
insignificant. You're statistically much more likely to get seriously
injured by a dog then suffer a fatal snake bite. In fact you are
statistically more likely to suffer a bite trying to kill a snake
instead of just leaving it alone. Snakes are also important to the ecology.

It's simply unreasonable, disproportionate and irrational to fear
snakes. It's far more scary to be reminded how fucking stupid and
irrational the snake killers in here are - they're as irrational as
anti-vaxxers.

On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 16:37:12 +1000, John_H wrote:

> Xeno wrote:
>>On 5/12/21 7:32 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>
>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>> law)! :)
>>>
>>No need, his python is *free range*, free to come and go as he pleased.
>>Or was, it is now deceased.
>
> OK, so "his python" wasn't his... IOW "a python".

Observation: People who begin spelling & grammar wars tend to lose them.
>
> Also curious as to what species (carpet python being the most likely)
> as they're typically all nocturnal?

Like this. Are you asking a question here or making a statement?

You're also wrong about "all" pythons being nocturnal. 'Our' Coastal
Carpets are diurnal. And they love a good bask.
http://www.snakecatchers.com.au/coastal-carpet-python.php

alvey

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On 6/12/2021 7:09 am, alvey wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 16:37:12 +1000, John_H wrote:
>
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 5/12/21 7:32 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>>> law)! :)
>>>>
>>> No need, his python is *free range*, free to come and go as he pleased.
>>> Or was, it is now deceased.
>> OK, so "his python" wasn't his... IOW "a python".
> Observation: People who begin spelling & grammar wars tend to lose them.

bad observation. it wasn't a spelling and grammar issue. you missed the
point.

>> Also curious as to what species (carpet python being the most likely)
>> as they're typically all nocturnal?
> Like this. Are you asking a question here or making a statement?

it's both. another bad observation

>
> You're also wrong about "all" pythons being nocturnal. 'Our' Coastal
> Carpets are diurnal. And they love a good bask.
> http://www.snakecatchers.com.au/coastal-carpet-python.php
>
>
>
> alvey
>

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On 5/12/2021 11:42 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 5/12/2021 7:41 am, Xeno wrote:
>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 4/12/21 5:11 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:34 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are
>>>>>> also on
>>>>>> deck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
>>>>>> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
>>>>>> officers."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
>>>>>> subdued it with his shovel first?  :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So not only do you admit to  unlawfully dispatching snakes that pose
>>>>> no threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy theorist.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why am I not surprised.
>>>>>
>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill
>>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
>>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
>>>> near the deck.
>>>>
>>>
>>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a deadly
>>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>>
>>
>> Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you
>> invariably end
>> up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about
>> how that
>> works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.
>>
>
> There is simply no reason to kill snakes period. The risk they pose is
> insignificant. You're statistically much more likely to get seriously
> injured by a dog then suffer a fatal snake bite. In fact you are
> statistically more likely to suffer a bite trying to kill a snake
> instead of just leaving it alone. Snakes are also important to the
> ecology.
>
> It's simply unreasonable, disproportionate and irrational to fear
> snakes. It's far more scary to be reminded how fucking stupid and
> irrational the snake killers in here are - they're as irrational as
> anti-vaxxers.

I don't get your enormous concern for the welfare of snakes over the
safety of ppl.

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On Mon, 6 Dec 2021 10:57:37 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 5/12/2021 11:42 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 5/12/2021 7:41 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 4/12/21 5:11 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:34 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are
>>>>>>> also on
>>>>>>> deck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
>>>>>>> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
>>>>>>> officers."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
>>>>>>> subdued it with his shovel first?  :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So not only do you admit to  unlawfully dispatching snakes that pose
>>>>>> no threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy theorist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why am I not surprised.
>>>>>>
>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill
>>>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
>>>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
>>>>> near the deck.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>>>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a deadly
>>>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you
>>> invariably end
>>> up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about
>>> how that
>>> works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.
>>>
>>
>> There is simply no reason to kill snakes period. The risk they pose is
>> insignificant. You're statistically much more likely to get seriously
>> injured by a dog then suffer a fatal snake bite. In fact you are
>> statistically more likely to suffer a bite trying to kill a snake
>> instead of just leaving it alone. Snakes are also important to the
>> ecology.
>>
>> It's simply unreasonable, disproportionate and irrational to fear
>> snakes. It's far more scary to be reminded how fucking stupid and
>> irrational the snake killers in here are - they're as irrational as
>> anti-vaxxers.
>
> I don't get your enormous concern for the welfare of snakes over the
> safety of ppl.

I wouldn't like to see a Brown bite Fraudster. Who knows what ghastly
toxins he could infect the poor creature with?

alvey

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On 6/12/21 7:09 am, alvey wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 16:37:12 +1000, John_H wrote:
>
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 5/12/21 7:32 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>>
>>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>>> law)! :)
>>>>
>>> No need, his python is *free range*, free to come and go as he pleased.
>>> Or was, it is now deceased.
>>
>> OK, so "his python" wasn't his... IOW "a python".
>
> Observation: People who begin spelling & grammar wars tend to lose them.
>>
>> Also curious as to what species (carpet python being the most likely)
>> as they're typically all nocturnal?
>
> Like this. Are you asking a question here or making a statement?
>
> You're also wrong about "all" pythons being nocturnal. 'Our' Coastal
> Carpets are diurnal. And they love a good bask.
> http://www.snakecatchers.com.au/coastal-carpet-python.php
>
Yeah, looks like one of those. Definitely wasn't purely nocturnal,
always saw it out during the day. I note the article states active day
and night.
>
>
> alvey
>

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 6/12/21 10:57 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 5/12/2021 11:42 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 5/12/2021 7:41 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 4/12/21 5:11 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:34 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are
>>>>>>> also on
>>>>>>> deck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
>>>>>>> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
>>>>>>> officers."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
>>>>>>> subdued it with his shovel first?  :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So not only do you admit to  unlawfully dispatching snakes that pose
>>>>>> no threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy theorist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why am I not surprised.
>>>>>>
>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill
>>>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
>>>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
>>>>> near the deck.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>>>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a deadly
>>>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you
>>> invariably end
>>> up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about
>>> how that
>>> works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.
>>>
>>
>> There is simply no reason to kill snakes period. The risk they pose is
>> insignificant. You're statistically much more likely to get seriously
>> injured by a dog then suffer a fatal snake bite. In fact you are
>> statistically more likely to suffer a bite trying to kill a snake
>> instead of just leaving it alone. Snakes are also important to the
>> ecology.
>>
>> It's simply unreasonable, disproportionate and irrational to fear
>> snakes. It's far more scary to be reminded how fucking stupid and
>> irrational the snake killers in here are - they're as irrational as
>> anti-vaxxers.
>
>
> I don't get your enormous concern for the welfare of snakes over the
> safety of ppl.
>
I lived in an area of Tassie replete with venomous snakes and never
found the need to kill one. We lived on the edge of town and saw plenty
in the bush whenever we went for a walk. They serve a purpose and the
wildlife environment benefits from their presence.

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 6/12/21 12:00 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Dec 2021 10:57:37 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> On 5/12/2021 11:42 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 5/12/2021 7:41 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/12/21 5:11 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:34 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are
>>>>>>>> also on
>>>>>>>> deck.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
>>>>>>>> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
>>>>>>>> officers."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
>>>>>>>> subdued it with his shovel first?  :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So not only do you admit to  unlawfully dispatching snakes that pose
>>>>>>> no threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy theorist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why am I not surprised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>>>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill
>>>>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>>>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
>>>>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
>>>>>> near the deck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>>>>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a deadly
>>>>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you
>>>> invariably end
>>>> up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about
>>>> how that
>>>> works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is simply no reason to kill snakes period. The risk they pose is
>>> insignificant. You're statistically much more likely to get seriously
>>> injured by a dog then suffer a fatal snake bite. In fact you are
>>> statistically more likely to suffer a bite trying to kill a snake
>>> instead of just leaving it alone. Snakes are also important to the
>>> ecology.
>>>
>>> It's simply unreasonable, disproportionate and irrational to fear
>>> snakes. It's far more scary to be reminded how fucking stupid and
>>> irrational the snake killers in here are - they're as irrational as
>>> anti-vaxxers.
>>
>> I don't get your enormous concern for the welfare of snakes over the
>> safety of ppl.
>
> I wouldn't like to see a Brown bite Fraudster. Who knows what ghastly
> toxins he could infect the poor creature with?
>
Yeah, the poor snake could even *die*. How tragic.
>
> alvey
>

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