On 6/12/2021 7:57 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 5/12/2021 11:42 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 5/12/2021 7:41 am, Xeno wrote:
>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 4/12/21 5:11 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:34 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are
>>>>>>> also on
>>>>>>> deck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
>>>>>>> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
>>>>>>> officers."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
>>>>>>> subdued it with his shovel first?  :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So not only do you admit to  unlawfully dispatching snakes that pose
>>>>>> no threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy theorist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why am I not surprised.
>>>>>>
>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill
>>>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
>>>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
>>>>> near the deck.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>>>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a deadly
>>>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you
>>> invariably end
>>> up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about
>>> how that
>>> works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.
>>>
>>
>> There is simply no reason to kill snakes period. The risk they pose is
>> insignificant. You're statistically much more likely to get seriously
>> injured by a dog then suffer a fatal snake bite. In fact you are
>> statistically more likely to suffer a bite trying to kill a snake
>> instead of just leaving it alone. Snakes are also important to the
>> ecology.
>>
>> It's simply unreasonable, disproportionate and irrational to fear
>> snakes. It's far more scary to be reminded how fucking stupid and
>> irrational the snake killers in here are - they're as irrational as
>> anti-vaxxers.
>
>
> I don't get your enormous concern for the welfare of snakes over the
> safety of ppl.
>

I don't understand your irrational and unwarranted fear of snakes where
you want to put yourself at *greater* risk by attempting to kill a snake.

If you're concerned about welfare of people you educate yourself and
others on snake behaviour and thereby learn that the safest option is to
leave them well alone.

They're not out to get people and they are hugely beneficial from an
ecological point of view. The only threat is the one the snakes are
under from uneducated, ignorant and stupid people.

On 5/12/2021 2:37 pm, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 5/12/21 7:32 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>
>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>> law)! :)
>>>
>> No need, his python is *free range*, free to come and go as he pleased.
>> Or was, it is now deceased.
>
> OK, so "his python" wasn't his... IOW "a python".
>
> Also curious as to what species (carpet python being the most likely)
> as they're typically all nocturnal?
>
Quite often observed to be diurnal in fact.

On 6/12/2021 4:09 am, alvey wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 16:37:12 +1000, John_H wrote:
>
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 5/12/21 7:32 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his garage
>>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed on its
>>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the national
>>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even if they
>>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I used to
>>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>>
>>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>>> law)! :)
>>>>
>>> No need, his python is *free range*, free to come and go as he pleased.
>>> Or was, it is now deceased.
>>
>> OK, so "his python" wasn't his... IOW "a python".
>
> Observation: People who begin spelling & grammar wars tend to lose them.
>>
>> Also curious as to what species (carpet python being the most likely)
>> as they're typically all nocturnal?
>
> Like this. Are you asking a question here or making a statement?
>
> You're also wrong about "all" pythons being nocturnal. 'Our' Coastal
> Carpets are diurnal. And they love a good bask.
> http://www.snakecatchers.com.au/coastal-carpet-python.php
>
>

Yes indeed they do.

Perhaps if John spent more time observing and learning about snakes
rather than unlawfully killing them he wouldn't be so ignorant of their
behaviour.

On 6/12/2021 3:12 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 6/12/2021 7:57 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 5/12/2021 11:42 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 5/12/2021 7:41 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/12/21 5:11 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:34 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are
>>>>>>>> also on
>>>>>>>> deck.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
>>>>>>>> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
>>>>>>>> officers."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
>>>>>>>> subdued it with his shovel first?  :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So not only do you admit to  unlawfully dispatching snakes that
>>>>>>> pose
>>>>>>> no threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy
>>>>>>> theorist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why am I not surprised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>>>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to
>>>>>> kill
>>>>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>>>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
>>>>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
>>>>>> near the deck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>>>>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a
>>>>> deadly
>>>>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you
>>>> invariably end
>>>> up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about
>>>> how that
>>>> works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is simply no reason to kill snakes period. The risk they pose
>>> is insignificant. You're statistically much more likely to get
>>> seriously injured by a dog then suffer a fatal snake bite. In fact
>>> you are statistically more likely to suffer a bite trying to kill a
>>> snake instead of just leaving it alone. Snakes are also important to
>>> the ecology.
>>>
>>> It's simply unreasonable, disproportionate and irrational to fear
>>> snakes. It's far more scary to be reminded how fucking stupid and
>>> irrational the snake killers in here are - they're as irrational as
>>> anti-vaxxers.
>>
>>
>> I don't get your enormous concern for the welfare of snakes over the
>> safety of ppl.
>>
>
> I don't understand your irrational and unwarranted fear of snakes
> where you want to put yourself at *greater* risk by attempting to kill
> a snake.
>
> If you're concerned about welfare of people you educate yourself and
> others on snake behaviour and thereby learn that the safest option is
> to leave them well alone.
>
> They're not out to get people and they are hugely beneficial from an
> ecological point of view. The only threat is the one the snakes are
> under from uneducated, ignorant and stupid  people.

fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted

--
"his opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust
by the enormous weight of his lies" - Alvey on Derro

On 6/12/2021 3:59 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 6/12/2021 4:09 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 16:37:12 +1000, John_H wrote:
>>
>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/21 7:32 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>>>> garage
>>>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed
>>>>>> on its
>>>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the
>>>>>> national
>>>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even
>>>>>> if they
>>>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I
>>>>>> used to
>>>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>>>> law)!  :)
>>>>>
>>>> No need, his python is *free range*, free to come and go as he
>>>> pleased.
>>>> Or was, it is now deceased.
>>>
>>> OK, so "his python" wasn't his... IOW "a python".
>>
>> Observation: People who begin spelling & grammar wars tend to lose them.
>>>
>>> Also curious as to what species (carpet python being the most likely)
>>> as they're typically all nocturnal?
>>
>> Like this. Are you asking a question here or making a statement?
>>
>> You're also wrong about "all" pythons being nocturnal. 'Our' Coastal
>> Carpets are diurnal. And they love a good bask.
>> http://www.snakecatchers.com.au/coastal-carpet-python.php
>>
>>
>
> Yes indeed they do.
>
> Perhaps if John spent more time observing and learning about snakes
> rather than unlawfully killing them he wouldn't be so ignorant of
> their behaviour.
>

from what I've seen he's posted here he seems quite knowledgeable about
snakes

--
"his opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust
by the enormous weight of his lies" - Alvey on Derro

On 6/12/21 10:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 6/12/2021 3:12 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 6/12/2021 7:57 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 5/12/2021 11:42 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/2021 7:41 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/12/21 5:11 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:34 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are
>>>>>>>>> also on
>>>>>>>>> deck.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
>>>>>>>>> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
>>>>>>>>> officers."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
>>>>>>>>> subdued it with his shovel first?  :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So not only do you admit to  unlawfully dispatching snakes that
>>>>>>>> pose
>>>>>>>> no threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy
>>>>>>>> theorist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why am I not surprised.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>>>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>>>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>>>>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to
>>>>>>> kill
>>>>>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>>>>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
>>>>>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
>>>>>>> near the deck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>>>>>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a
>>>>>> deadly
>>>>>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you
>>>>> invariably end
>>>>> up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about
>>>>> how that
>>>>> works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is simply no reason to kill snakes period. The risk they pose
>>>> is insignificant. You're statistically much more likely to get
>>>> seriously injured by a dog then suffer a fatal snake bite. In fact
>>>> you are statistically more likely to suffer a bite trying to kill a
>>>> snake instead of just leaving it alone. Snakes are also important to
>>>> the ecology.
>>>>
>>>> It's simply unreasonable, disproportionate and irrational to fear
>>>> snakes. It's far more scary to be reminded how fucking stupid and
>>>> irrational the snake killers in here are - they're as irrational as
>>>> anti-vaxxers.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't get your enormous concern for the welfare of snakes over the
>>> safety of ppl.
>>>
>>
>> I don't understand your irrational and unwarranted fear of snakes
>> where you want to put yourself at *greater* risk by attempting to kill
>> a snake.
>>
>> If you're concerned about welfare of people you educate yourself and
>> others on snake behaviour and thereby learn that the safest option is
>> to leave them well alone.
>>
>> They're not out to get people and they are hugely beneficial from an
>> ecological point of view. The only threat is the one the snakes are
>> under from uneducated, ignorant and stupid  people.
>
>
> fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted
>
It is not fear that people should have but healthy *respect* for snakes
aided by an understanding of snake behaviour.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Xeno wrote:
>On 6/12/21 10:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted
>
>It is not fear that people should have but healthy *respect* for snakes
>aided by an understanding of snake behaviour.

I'm no psychologist (and don't even have any friends who are) but
isn't it fear that activates the fight or flight response?

It's a natural response to anything that poses a threat and anyone who
thinks sharing your space with a brown snake constitutes due respect
ought make an ideal candidate for a Darwin Award!

--
John H

Yosemite Sam wrote:
>On 6/12/2021 3:59 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 6/12/2021 4:09 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 16:37:12 +1000, John_H wrote:
>>>
>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 5/12/21 7:32 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>>>>> garage
>>>>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed
>>>>>>> on its
>>>>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the
>>>>>>> national
>>>>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even
>>>>>>> if they
>>>>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I
>>>>>>> used to
>>>>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>>>>> law)!  :)
>>>>>>
>>>>> No need, his python is *free range*, free to come and go as he
>>>>> pleased.
>>>>> Or was, it is now deceased.
>>>>
>>>> OK, so "his python" wasn't his... IOW "a python".
>>>
>>> Observation: People who begin spelling & grammar wars tend to lose them.
>>>>
>>>> Also curious as to what species (carpet python being the most likely)
>>>> as they're typically all nocturnal?
>>>
>>> Like this. Are you asking a question here or making a statement?
>>>
>>> You're also wrong about "all" pythons being nocturnal. 'Our' Coastal
>>> Carpets are diurnal. And they love a good bask.
>>> http://www.snakecatchers.com.au/coastal-carpet-python.php
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Yes indeed they do.
>>
>> Perhaps if John spent more time observing and learning about snakes
>> rather than unlawfully killing them he wouldn't be so ignorant of
>> their behaviour.
>>
>
>from what I've seen he's posted here he seems quite knowledgeable about
>snakes

If the resident snake experts knew but a fraction of what they claimed
they'd also know there are several subspecies of carpet pythons and
those I'm familiar with are _predominately_ nocturnal (the bit about
my seeing them in the daytime has been conveniently snipped). I've no
idea as to even which species Xeno claimed to see (hence the question)
and he doesn't seem to know either.

Calicivirus is what controls rabbits, certainly not pythons.

Mice attract brown snakes, especially around buildings, and don't
significantly affect their numbers in any way. In fact the progeny of
a single pair of breeding mice is sufficient to maintain several brown
snakes. Their prime ecological purpose is as a food source for other
native animals, the pest control bit being but a figment of fertile
imaginations!

--
John H

On 7/12/21 10:23 am, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 6/12/21 10:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted
>>
>> It is not fear that people should have but healthy *respect* for snakes
>> aided by an understanding of snake behaviour.
>
> I'm no psychologist (and don't even have any friends who are) but
> isn't it fear that activates the fight or flight response?

And that is exactly how the snake sees it. The snake would much prefer
the *flight response*.
>
> It's a natural response to anything that poses a threat and anyone who
> thinks sharing your space with a brown snake constitutes due respect
> ought make an ideal candidate for a Darwin Award!
>
My mate at Moonee Beach moves any brown snakes *away* from his home. He
picks them up, bags them, and moves them up into the national park at
the back of his block. Works for him.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 7/12/21 10:24 am, John_H wrote:
> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 6/12/2021 3:59 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 6/12/2021 4:09 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 05 Dec 2021 16:37:12 +1000, John_H wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/12/21 7:32 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>>>>>> garage
>>>>>>>> the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head placed
>>>>>>>> on its
>>>>>>>> body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up into the
>>>>>>>> national
>>>>>>>> park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to kill snakes even
>>>>>>>> if they
>>>>>>>> get into his garage. His python, now sadly deceased, used to just
>>>>>>>> slither by him when he was seated on his deck sipping coffee. I
>>>>>>>> used to
>>>>>>>> watch his python sun itself on bushes just near the deck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope your mate had a licence to keep his python (as required by
>>>>>>> law)!  :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> No need, his python is *free range*, free to come and go as he
>>>>>> pleased.
>>>>>> Or was, it is now deceased.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, so "his python" wasn't his... IOW "a python".
>>>>
>>>> Observation: People who begin spelling & grammar wars tend to lose them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also curious as to what species (carpet python being the most likely)
>>>>> as they're typically all nocturnal?
>>>>
>>>> Like this. Are you asking a question here or making a statement?
>>>>
>>>> You're also wrong about "all" pythons being nocturnal. 'Our' Coastal
>>>> Carpets are diurnal. And they love a good bask.
>>>> http://www.snakecatchers.com.au/coastal-carpet-python.php
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yes indeed they do.
>>>
>>> Perhaps if John spent more time observing and learning about snakes
>>> rather than unlawfully killing them he wouldn't be so ignorant of
>>> their behaviour.
>>>
>>
>>from what I've seen he's posted here he seems quite knowledgeable about
>> snakes
>
> If the resident snake experts knew but a fraction of what they claimed
> they'd also know there are several subspecies of carpet pythons and
> those I'm familiar with are _predominately_ nocturnal (the bit about
> my seeing them in the daytime has been conveniently snipped). I've no
> idea as to even which species Xeno claimed to see (hence the question)
> and he doesn't seem to know either.

Nope, just that I have only ever seen it in the daytime.
>
> Calicivirus is what controls rabbits, certainly not pythons.

Well, I can only go by what I was told, no snake now but rabbits are
breeding. He told me the snake would snaffle the kits before they could
grow.
>
> Mice attract brown snakes, especially around buildings, and don't
> significantly affect their numbers in any way. In fact the progeny of
> a single pair of breeding mice is sufficient to maintain several brown
> snakes. Their prime ecological purpose is as a food source for other
> native animals, the pest control bit being but a figment of fertile
> imaginations!
>

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 7/12/2021 10:23 am, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 6/12/21 10:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted
>>
>> It is not fear that people should have but healthy *respect* for snakes
>> aided by an understanding of snake behaviour.
>
> I'm no psychologist (and don't even have any friends who are) but
> isn't it fear that activates the fight or flight response?

I'm sure Clasener will give you a detailed run-down on that, as he
claims to have done psychological study in order to be a trade teacher.

:)

> It's a natural response to anything that poses a threat and anyone who
> thinks sharing your space with a brown snake constitutes due respect
> ought make an ideal candidate for a Darwin Award!

Absolutely.

What I find to be astonishingly bizarre in all this ridiculous bullshit
is the utter *nonsense* coming from people who have *clearly* never had
to deal with an Eastern Brown in their lives, for if they did they would
appreciate that they are one of the most aggressive and unpredictable
animals you can ever come across and trying to have an appeasement
policy of "respecting" them and giving the their space is absolutely
ludicrous and just asking to get bitten.

These morons are armchair experts who wouldn't know shit from clay.....

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 7/12/2021 10:24 am, John_H wrote:
> Yosemite Sam wrote:

>>from what I've seen he's posted here he seems quite knowledgeable about
>> snakes
>
> If the resident snake experts knew but a fraction of what they claimed
> they'd also know there are several subspecies of carpet pythons and
> those I'm familiar with are _predominately_ nocturnal (the bit about
> my seeing them in the daytime has been conveniently snipped). I've no
> idea as to even which species Xeno claimed to see (hence the question)
> and he doesn't seem to know either.
>
> Calicivirus is what controls rabbits, certainly not pythons.

Absolutely.

> Mice attract brown snakes, especially around buildings, and don't
> significantly affect their numbers in any way. In fact the progeny of
> a single pair of breeding mice is sufficient to maintain several brown
> snakes.

Yep. A problem we face here every Spring/Summer.

> Their prime ecological purpose is as a food source for other
> native animals, the pest control bit being but a figment of fertile
> imaginations!

Ridiculously so. Claiming that snakes help maintain en ecological
balance by controlling the rodent/rabit population is about as crazy as
claiming that the Germans helped stabilise the world's financial balance
by exterminating all the Jews.

These morons are totally clueless and just make this crap up as they go....

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 6/12/2021 8:33 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 6/12/21 10:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 6/12/2021 3:12 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 6/12/2021 7:57 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/2021 11:42 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 5/12/2021 7:41 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/12/21 5:11 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:34 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are
>>>>>>>>>> also on
>>>>>>>>>> deck.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the
>>>>>>>>>> deadly
>>>>>>>>>> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
>>>>>>>>>> officers."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
>>>>>>>>>> subdued it with his shovel first?  :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So not only do you admit to  unlawfully dispatching snakes that
>>>>>>>>> pose
>>>>>>>>> no threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy
>>>>>>>>> theorist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why am I not surprised.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>>>>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>>>>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>>>>>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need
>>>>>>>> to kill
>>>>>>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>>>>>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his
>>>>>>>> deck
>>>>>>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes
>>>>>>>> just
>>>>>>>> near the deck.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>>>>>>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a
>>>>>>> deadly
>>>>>>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you
>>>>>> invariably end
>>>>>> up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about
>>>>>> how that
>>>>>> works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is simply no reason to kill snakes period. The risk they pose
>>>>> is insignificant. You're statistically much more likely to get
>>>>> seriously injured by a dog then suffer a fatal snake bite. In fact
>>>>> you are statistically more likely to suffer a bite trying to kill a
>>>>> snake instead of just leaving it alone. Snakes are also important
>>>>> to the ecology.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's simply unreasonable, disproportionate and irrational to fear
>>>>> snakes. It's far more scary to be reminded how fucking stupid and
>>>>> irrational the snake killers in here are - they're as irrational as
>>>>> anti-vaxxers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't get your enormous concern for the welfare of snakes over the
>>>> safety of ppl.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't understand your irrational and unwarranted fear of snakes
>>> where you want to put yourself at *greater* risk by attempting to
>>> kill a snake.
>>>
>>> If you're concerned about welfare of people you educate yourself and
>>> others on snake behaviour and thereby learn that the safest option is
>>> to leave them well alone.
>>>
>>> They're not out to get people and they are hugely beneficial from an
>>> ecological point of view. The only threat is the one the snakes are
>>> under from uneducated, ignorant and stupid  people.
>>
>>
>> fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted
>>
> It is not fear that people should have but healthy *respect* for snakes
> aided by an understanding of snake behaviour.
>

Exactly. There is nothing to fear.

On 6/12/2021 7:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 6/12/2021 3:12 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 6/12/2021 7:57 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 5/12/2021 11:42 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 5/12/2021 7:41 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:41 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/12/21 5:11 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2021 5:34 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-11-28/inside-the-renewed-search-for-william-tyrrell-in-kendall/100653358
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Grave archaeologist Tony Lowe and hydrologist John Olley are
>>>>>>>>> also on
>>>>>>>>> deck.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mr Olley was confronted by a brown snake last week.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> He picked it up with a shovel, before carefully placing the deadly
>>>>>>>>> creature in another area of the bush, much to the shock of other
>>>>>>>>> officers."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Who else suspects the ABC deliberately left out the bit where he
>>>>>>>>> subdued it with his shovel first?  :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So not only do you admit to  unlawfully dispatching snakes that
>>>>>>>> pose
>>>>>>>> no threat to you (in your own words) you're also conspiracy
>>>>>>>> theorist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why am I not surprised.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My mate out at Moonee Beach had a decent sized brown snake in his
>>>>>>> garage the other week. He prevented it striking with a broom head
>>>>>>> placed on its body, then grabbed it behind the head and took it up
>>>>>>> into the national park behind his house. He doesn't see a need to
>>>>>>> kill
>>>>>>> snakes even if they get into his garage. His python, now sadly
>>>>>>> deceased, used to just slither by him when he was seated on his deck
>>>>>>> sipping coffee. I used to watch his python sun itself on bushes just
>>>>>>> near the deck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i really don't get the wisdom of the 'catch and release' policy for
>>>>>> deadly snakes- remove it from one place where it's potentially a
>>>>>> deadly
>>>>>> danger and put it someplace else where it remains so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Put simply, vermin control. Take out all the snakes and you
>>>>> invariably end
>>>>> up with a rodent or rabbit plague. My mate will tell you all about
>>>>> how that
>>>>> works, one single python kept the rabbits at bay on his block.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is simply no reason to kill snakes period. The risk they pose
>>>> is insignificant. You're statistically much more likely to get
>>>> seriously injured by a dog then suffer a fatal snake bite. In fact
>>>> you are statistically more likely to suffer a bite trying to kill a
>>>> snake instead of just leaving it alone. Snakes are also important to
>>>> the ecology.
>>>>
>>>> It's simply unreasonable, disproportionate and irrational to fear
>>>> snakes. It's far more scary to be reminded how fucking stupid and
>>>> irrational the snake killers in here are - they're as irrational as
>>>> anti-vaxxers.
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't get your enormous concern for the welfare of snakes over the
>>> safety of ppl.
>>>
>>
>> I don't understand your irrational and unwarranted fear of snakes
>> where you want to put yourself at *greater* risk by attempting to kill
>> a snake.
>>
>> If you're concerned about welfare of people you educate yourself and
>> others on snake behaviour and thereby learn that the safest option is
>> to leave them well alone.
>>
>> They're not out to get people and they are hugely beneficial from an
>> ecological point of view. The only threat is the one the snakes are
>> under from uneducated, ignorant and stupid  people.
>
>
> fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted
>

It is if you consider that you have about double the chance of winning
Saturday Lotto Jackpot then you have of dying from a deadly snake bite.

It's not only irrational and unwarranted, it's stupid as well.

On 7/12/21 12:10 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 7/12/2021 10:23 am, John_H wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 6/12/21 10:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted
>>>
>>> It is not fear that people should have but healthy *respect* for snakes
>>> aided by an understanding of snake behaviour.
>>
>> I'm no psychologist (and don't even have any friends who are) but
>> isn't it fear that activates the fight or flight response?
>
> I'm sure Clasener will give you a detailed run-down on that, as he
> claims to have done psychological study in order to be a trade teacher.
>
> :)

Yep, for sure, Ed Psych. Part of teacher training as well as a component
in curriculum design.
>
>> It's a natural response to anything that poses a threat and anyone who
>> thinks sharing your space with a brown snake constitutes due respect
>> ought make an ideal candidate for a Darwin Award!
>
> Absolutely.
>
> What I find to be astonishingly bizarre in all this ridiculous bullshit
> is the utter *nonsense* coming from people who have *clearly* never had
> to deal with an Eastern Brown in their lives, for if they did they would
> appreciate that they are one of the most aggressive and unpredictable
> animals you can ever come across and trying to have an appeasement
> policy of "respecting" them and giving the their space is absolutely
> ludicrous and just asking to get bitten.

Tell that to my friend in Moonee Beach. He has no issues with them and
never kills them.
>
> These morons are armchair experts who wouldn't know shit from clay.....

Armchair expert? That would be you with your *fake claims* of trade
qualifications and business ownership.

--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 7/12/21 12:16 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 7/12/2021 10:24 am, John_H wrote:
>> Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> from what I've seen he's posted here he seems quite knowledgeable
>>> about snakes
>>
>> If the resident snake experts knew but a fraction of what they claimed
>> they'd also know there are several subspecies of carpet pythons and
>> those I'm familiar with are _predominately_ nocturnal (the bit about
>> my seeing them in the daytime has been conveniently snipped).  I've no
>> idea as to even which species Xeno claimed to see (hence the question)
>> and he doesn't seem to know either.
>>
>> Calicivirus is what controls rabbits, certainly not pythons.
>
> Absolutely.
>
>> Mice attract brown snakes, especially around buildings, and don't
>> significantly affect their numbers in any way.  In fact the progeny of
>> a single pair of breeding mice is sufficient to maintain several brown
>> snakes.
>
> Yep. A problem we face here every Spring/Summer.

Breeding mice in the fields, lying rats living in the houses, Merrimu
sure is a *quality* place to live.
>
>> Their prime ecological purpose is as a food source for other
>> native animals, the pest control bit being but a figment of fertile
>> imaginations!
>
> Ridiculously so. Claiming that snakes help maintain en ecological
> balance by controlling the rodent/rabit population is about as crazy as
> claiming that the Germans helped stabilise the world's financial balance
> by exterminating all the Jews.
>
> These morons are totally clueless and just make this crap up as they go....

Nah, Darren, you have the monopoly on making up crap as you go. Been
doing it for 20+ years here in aus.cars.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 09:31:10 +0800, Clocky wrote:

More on snakeys...

From a piece of a 9news on snakes in the mouse plague.

"Symptoms from a venomous bite can include nausea, vomiting and a
headache...". Geez, that sounds exactly like a lot of my Decembers past.
And all this time I thought it was the demon drink...

alvey

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On 7/12/2021 10:30 am, alvey wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Dec 2021 09:31:10 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>
> More on snakeys...
>
> From a piece of a 9news on snakes in the mouse plague.
>
> "Symptoms from a venomous bite can include nausea, vomiting and a
> headache...". Geez, that sounds exactly like a lot of my Decembers past.
> And all this time I thought it was the demon drink...
>
>

lol

Xeno wrote:
>On 7/12/21 10:23 am, John_H wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 6/12/21 10:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted
>>>
>>> It is not fear that people should have but healthy *respect* for snakes
>>> aided by an understanding of snake behaviour.
>>
>> I'm no psychologist (and don't even have any friends who are) but
>> isn't it fear that activates the fight or flight response?
>
>And that is exactly how the snake sees it. The snake would much prefer
>the *flight response*.

Are you even remotely familiar with the eastern brown (which will
certainly choose fight over flight whenever it suits)?
Their strike time is measured in milliseconds and they don't often
provide a warning. Those I know who've been bitten, and I know
several, never saw it coming (last time I asked, our local hospital
said they'd treated three victims in that particular season). For
those who survive (which is most) the long term after effects can also
be horrendous.
>
>> It's a natural response to anything that poses a threat and anyone who
>> thinks sharing your space with a brown snake constitutes due respect
>> ought make an ideal candidate for a Darwin Award!
>>
>My mate at Moonee Beach moves any brown snakes *away* from his home. He
>picks them up, bags them, and moves them up into the national park at
>the back of his block. Works for him.

Do you really mean to say he doesn't pick them up with a shovel to
relocate them? :))
He'd probably be dead if he did but he's still living dangerously. I
don't know of any professional snake handler who hasn't been bitten in
spite of being fully competent at what they do... suggesting that they
didn't see it coming either!

--
John H

On 7/12/21 4:16 pm, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 7/12/21 10:23 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 6/12/21 10:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted
>>>>
>>>> It is not fear that people should have but healthy *respect* for snakes
>>>> aided by an understanding of snake behaviour.
>>>
>>> I'm no psychologist (and don't even have any friends who are) but
>>> isn't it fear that activates the fight or flight response?
>>
>> And that is exactly how the snake sees it. The snake would much prefer
>> the *flight response*.
>
> Are you even remotely familiar with the eastern brown (which will
> certainly choose fight over flight whenever it suits)?
> Their strike time is measured in milliseconds and they don't often
> provide a warning. Those I know who've been bitten, and I know
> several, never saw it coming (last time I asked, our local hospital
> said they'd treated three victims in that particular season). For
> those who survive (which is most) the long term after effects can also
> be horrendous.
>>
>>> It's a natural response to anything that poses a threat and anyone who
>>> thinks sharing your space with a brown snake constitutes due respect
>>> ought make an ideal candidate for a Darwin Award!
>>>
>> My mate at Moonee Beach moves any brown snakes *away* from his home. He
>> picks them up, bags them, and moves them up into the national park at
>> the back of his block. Works for him.
>
> Do you really mean to say he doesn't pick them up with a shovel to
> relocate them? :))

The one the other day didn't involve a shovel. He did use something to
prevent it striking, a broom head? He then grabbed it behind the head. I
am just recalling what he told me about that episode, I did not witness
it. I ask him for more detail when next we meet. I have seen him pick up
snakes before but not a decent sized brown. FWIW, I stay well clear of them.

> He'd probably be dead if he did but he's still living dangerously. I
> don't know of any professional snake handler who hasn't been bitten in
> spite of being fully competent at what they do... suggesting that they
> didn't see it coming either!
>

--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 7/12/2021 4:16 pm, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:

>>> I'm no psychologist (and don't even have any friends who are) but
>>> isn't it fear that activates the fight or flight response?
>>
>> And that is exactly how the snake sees it. The snake would much prefer
>> the *flight response*.
>
> Are you even remotely familiar with the eastern brown (which will
> certainly choose fight over flight whenever it suits)?

Clearly not.

> Their strike time is measured in milliseconds and they don't often
> provide a warning. Those I know who've been bitten, and I know
> several, never saw it coming (last time I asked, our local hospital
> said they'd treated three victims in that particular season). For
> those who survive (which is most) the long term after effects can also
> be horrendous.

Yep. It's a lot like getting Covid. It might not kill you if you're
lucky, but it might leave you wishing it had.

>>> It's a natural response to anything that poses a threat and anyone who
>>> thinks sharing your space with a brown snake constitutes due respect
>>> ought make an ideal candidate for a Darwin Award!
>>>
>> My mate at Moonee Beach moves any brown snakes *away* from his home. He
>> picks them up, bags them, and moves them up into the national park at
>> the back of his block. Works for him.
>
> Do you really mean to say he doesn't pick them up with a shovel to
> relocate them? :))

The question is academic. Like all his other "mates", he's a figment of
his imagination :)

> He'd probably be dead if he did but he's still living dangerously. I
> don't know of any professional snake handler who hasn't been bitten in
> spite of being fully competent at what they do... suggesting that they
> didn't see it coming either!

Most snake handlers are morons in my opinion. The very worst way to ever
pick up a snake, particularly something like a pissed off Brown, is by
the tail. The quickest move most snakes can make is to turn back on
themselves.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 7/12/21 10:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 7/12/2021 4:16 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>
>>>> I'm no psychologist (and don't even have any friends who are) but
>>>> isn't it fear that activates the fight or flight response?
>>>
>>> And that is exactly how the snake sees it. The snake would much prefer
>>> the *flight response*.
>>
>> Are you even remotely familiar with the eastern brown (which will
>> certainly choose fight over flight whenever it suits)?
>
> Clearly not.
>
>> Their strike time is measured in milliseconds and they don't often
>> provide a warning.  Those I know who've been bitten, and I know
>> several, never saw it coming (last time I asked, our local hospital
>> said they'd treated three victims in that particular season).  For
>> those who survive (which is most) the long term after effects can also
>> be horrendous.
>
> Yep. It's a lot like getting Covid. It might not kill you if you're
> lucky, but it might leave you wishing it had.
>
>>>> It's a natural response to anything that poses a threat and anyone who
>>>> thinks sharing your space with a brown snake constitutes due respect
>>>> ought make an ideal candidate for a Darwin Award!
>>>>
>>> My mate at Moonee Beach moves any brown snakes *away* from his home. He
>>> picks them up, bags them, and moves them up into the national park at
>>> the back of his block. Works for him.
>>
>> Do you really mean to say he doesn't pick them up with a shovel to
>> relocate them?  :))
>
> The question is academic. Like all his other "mates", he's a figment of
> his imagination :)

Your life is a figment of your own imagination Darren.
>
>> He'd probably be dead if he did but he's still living dangerously.  I
>> don't know of any professional snake handler who hasn't been bitten in
>> spite of being fully competent at what they do... suggesting that they
>> didn't see it coming either!
>
> Most snake handlers are morons in my opinion. The very worst way to ever

Your opinion, in all matters serpentes, amount to absolutely nothing.
Your knowledge and experience and opinion in matters automotive is 100%
a figment of your imagination - just like those fictional trade
qualifications you claim to possess but which have *never been sighted*
by anyone, ever!

> pick up a snake, particularly something like a pissed off Brown, is by
> the tail. The quickest move most snakes can make is to turn back on
> themselves.
>
>
>

--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Xeno wrote:
>On 7/12/21 4:16 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 7/12/21 10:23 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 6/12/21 10:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted
>>>>>
>>>>> It is not fear that people should have but healthy *respect* for snakes
>>>>> aided by an understanding of snake behaviour.
>>>>
>>>> I'm no psychologist (and don't even have any friends who are) but
>>>> isn't it fear that activates the fight or flight response?
>>>
>>> And that is exactly how the snake sees it. The snake would much prefer
>>> the *flight response*.
>>
>> Are you even remotely familiar with the eastern brown (which will
>> certainly choose fight over flight whenever it suits)?
>> Their strike time is measured in milliseconds and they don't often
>> provide a warning. Those I know who've been bitten, and I know
>> several, never saw it coming (last time I asked, our local hospital
>> said they'd treated three victims in that particular season). For
>> those who survive (which is most) the long term after effects can also
>> be horrendous.
>>>
>>>> It's a natural response to anything that poses a threat and anyone who
>>>> thinks sharing your space with a brown snake constitutes due respect
>>>> ought make an ideal candidate for a Darwin Award!
>>>>
>>> My mate at Moonee Beach moves any brown snakes *away* from his home. He
>>> picks them up, bags them, and moves them up into the national park at
>>> the back of his block. Works for him.
>>
>> Do you really mean to say he doesn't pick them up with a shovel to
>> relocate them? :))
>
>The one the other day didn't involve a shovel. He did use something to
>prevent it striking, a broom head? He then grabbed it behind the head. I
>am just recalling what he told me about that episode, I did not witness
>it. I ask him for more detail when next we meet. I have seen him pick up
>snakes before but not a decent sized brown. FWIW, I stay well clear of them.

While you're at it you might also ask the obvious question.... If
it's safe, or even beneficial, to have brown snakes around his home
(as is being argued here) why does he feel the need to relocate them?

--
John H

On 8/12/21 8:26 am, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 7/12/21 4:16 pm, John_H wrote:
>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 7/12/21 10:23 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/12/21 10:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> fear of deadly snakes is neither irrational or unwarranted
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is not fear that people should have but healthy *respect* for snakes
>>>>>> aided by an understanding of snake behaviour.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm no psychologist (and don't even have any friends who are) but
>>>>> isn't it fear that activates the fight or flight response?
>>>>
>>>> And that is exactly how the snake sees it. The snake would much prefer
>>>> the *flight response*.
>>>
>>> Are you even remotely familiar with the eastern brown (which will
>>> certainly choose fight over flight whenever it suits)?
>>> Their strike time is measured in milliseconds and they don't often
>>> provide a warning. Those I know who've been bitten, and I know
>>> several, never saw it coming (last time I asked, our local hospital
>>> said they'd treated three victims in that particular season). For
>>> those who survive (which is most) the long term after effects can also
>>> be horrendous.
>>>>
>>>>> It's a natural response to anything that poses a threat and anyone who
>>>>> thinks sharing your space with a brown snake constitutes due respect
>>>>> ought make an ideal candidate for a Darwin Award!
>>>>>
>>>> My mate at Moonee Beach moves any brown snakes *away* from his home. He
>>>> picks them up, bags them, and moves them up into the national park at
>>>> the back of his block. Works for him.
>>>
>>> Do you really mean to say he doesn't pick them up with a shovel to
>>> relocate them? :))
>>
>> The one the other day didn't involve a shovel. He did use something to
>> prevent it striking, a broom head? He then grabbed it behind the head. I
>> am just recalling what he told me about that episode, I did not witness
>> it. I ask him for more detail when next we meet. I have seen him pick up
>> snakes before but not a decent sized brown. FWIW, I stay well clear of them.
>
> While you're at it you might also ask the obvious question.... If
> it's safe, or even beneficial, to have brown snakes around his home
> (as is being argued here) why does he feel the need to relocate them?
>
LOL, very good question.
I understand why people would not want to kill them but there are
exceptions when the creature in question is just plain nasty and
wouldn't hesitate to bite someone.
Lots of people are afraid of spiders but my daughter in law is an
entomologist so she can identify them and isn't afraid, if she see's a
spider inside and she knows its safe she just picks it up and puts it
outside, its a case of knowing what she is doing.

--
Daryl

Noddy wrote:
>
>Most snake handlers are morons in my opinion. The very worst way to ever
>pick up a snake, particularly something like a pissed off Brown, is by
>the tail. The quickest move most snakes can make is to turn back on
>themselves.

It comes across as some form of a weird obsession among those I've
encountered and most get bitten at some point in their careers.

Snake handling exhibitions are a regular, and popular, feature at
country agricultural shows (paid for by the local show societies) and
every handler I've ever asked has been bitten.

Probably the most famous of the snake showmen was Ram Chandra with
whom I had a conversation only a few weeks before he died. Told me
he'd been bitten a number of times. He looked 20 years older than he
was and a cripple to boot (as he'd been for many years). At that
stage he had an assistant to set up his display as well as to get him
in and out of his car.

I also once worked with a bloke who kept snakes as a hobby and who'd
been bitten on several occasions. He was still in his early thirties
and already suffered from severe arthritis (which is apparently a long
term side effect of snakebite).

--
John H