On 2022-03-06 23:26, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>>> If you've got contacts, calendar entries, etc in both accounts, I
>>> might be a little cautious about what it's going to do ...
>>
>> Ouch. You are right.
>
> There is never a need to upload your contacts to any Internet server
> (IMHO).
> In fact (see below), I believe it's your moral duty to _not_ upload them.
> a. Because they contain private information of _other_ people
> b. And you never received permission to put their information on the net
> c. Which, let's be honest, will be hacked

I know you do.

WE don't. Most people don't. It is a feature we do want.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2022-03-06 22:43, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sun, 06 Mar 2022 10:11:52 -0700, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 6 Mar 2022 17:49:48 +0100, "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 2022-03-06 17:27, Ken Blake wrote:
>>>> On 6 Mar 2022 15:48:39 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> mechanic <mechanic@example.net> wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 05 Mar 2022 20:42:30 -0500, nospam wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <lDVZnXVdBBJiFwOg@a.a>, J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>>> it's not the device or os that limits it, but rather the email client
>>>>>>> and/or email provider, some of which are only imap.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unfortunately some clients are not very good at it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed. For example in Thunderbird you cannot have a 'Global Inbox',
>>>>> i.e. one Inbox for all mail from several IMAP accounts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alas yes.
>>>
>>> You can switch to "Unified" folder view, in which all input folders are
>>> shown grouped and is easier to see which has new email.
>>
>>
>> Thanks. I just did. I'll try it for a while, but I'm not sure it has
>> nay significant advantage for me.
>
>
> It's only been a few hours, but yes I like it and I think I'll stay
> with it. Thanks again.
>

Welcome :-)

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 2022-03-06 22:12, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 06.03.22 um 21:55 schrieb J. P. Gilliver (John):
>> On Sun, 6 Mar 2022 at 09:27:52, Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote
>> (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>> []
>>> I use IMAP because that's what my e-mail provider provides, but as I
>>> just said in another message, to me it has no real advantage over
>>> POP3.
>>>
>> Which provider is it that only provides IMAP?
>
> Very many. It is too expensive to maintain such an outdated
> infrastructure and support the users.
>
> IMAP can do everything POP can and a lot more!

I have a local mail server (dovecot). It includes, out of the box, both
imap and pop3. Disabling/enabling one is just one word in the config
file (yes/no).

In fact, I remember long ago when providers only had pop3. When I
learned about imap3, I tried and found out by accident that imap was
also working on one or two servers, but undocumented. Just the reverse
situation. On some, imap was there but not responsive.

The software, even back then, provided both systems, at no extra cost.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Mon, 7 Mar 2022 12:02:47 -0800, sms wrote:

> “It's best not to argue with people who are determined to lose. Once
> you've told them about a superior alternative, your responsibility is
> fulfilled and you can allow them to lose in peace.” ― Mark Crispin,
> inventor of the iMAP e-mail protocol

Much missed, although a bit prickly to deal with. He died in 2012.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Crispin

On Mon, 7 Mar 2022 22:34:09 +0000, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:

> I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
> emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
> autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
> zero.

Never had a catastrophic failure of your PC? You don't use more than
one device to read/send emails?

Am 08.03.22 um 12:04 schrieb Carlos E.R.:
> On 2022-03-06 23:26, Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>>>> If you've got contacts, calendar entries, etc in both accounts, I
>>>> might be a little cautious about what it's going to do ...
>>>
>>> Ouch. You are right.
>>
>> There is never a need to upload your contacts to any Internet server
>> (IMHO).
>> In fact (see below), I believe it's your moral duty to _not_ upload them.
>> a. Because they contain private information of _other_ people
>> b. And you never received permission to put their information on the net
>> c. Which, let's be honest, will be hacked
>
> I know you do.
>
> WE don't. Most people don't. It is a feature we do want.

Who is we?
Burnelli is totally inconsistent in his behavior: Paranoia and using an
Android? A case for the loony-bin.

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:14:35, Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote (my
> responses usually FOLLOW):
>>J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>> I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
>>> emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
>>> autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
>>> zero.
>>
>>It means that when you are away, you are not able to access your mail.
>>Of course when you never leave the home for e.g. a holiday, that does
>>not matter. But lots of people do.
>
> I take this computer with me, and continue to collect by POP when away;
> I don't notice any difference (to email; news varies slightly).

You go on holiday taking your entire archive of previously sent and
received messages with you???
Don't forget to pack your backup drive as well!

Am 07.03.22 um 23:34 schrieb J. P. Gilliver (John):
> On Mon, 7 Mar 2022 at 12:02:47, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
> (my responses usually FOLLOW):
>> On 3/6/2022 8:20 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>>> Regardless of whether you use IMAP or POP3, if you do regular backups,
>>> it is ALSO on the backup media. If you don't do regular backups to
>>> eternal media, you're playing with fire, and not just for that reason.
>>> So as far as I'm concerned, that's not a big advantage of IMAP.
>>> I use IMAP, but to me there's no real advantage to using it.
>>
>> OMG, I don't think anyone still uses POP3. The advantages of IMAP are
>> enormous.
>
> I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
> emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
> autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
> zero.

You do not understand the concept of IMAP and obviously the value of
your time and the security of your mails has a value of zero for you.

Poor John!

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

Carlos E.R. wrote:

> WE don't. Most people don't. It is a feature we do want.

I'm well aware of what Carlos claims is true, and I do believe him.
a. Most people are incredibly lazy, as is Carlos by his own admission
b. *That's why MARKETING can lead them by the nose, as a sheep to slaughter*
c. Most people hand _your_ kids's contacts & yours to those MARKETING groups

And yet, not doing so only takes intelligence.
Nothing more.

*I can't think of a _single_ app which needs to upload contacts to the net.*

But people like Carlos don't have the intelligence.
They're stupid, rude, and uncaringly ignorant.

They don't even care they upload yours & your kids' contacts to the world.
A. They're lazy,
B. Ignorant, and,
C. Rude.
--
Privacy takes intelligence.

On 3/8/2022 8:49 AM, Rob wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:14:35, Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote (my
>> responses usually FOLLOW):
>>> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>> I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
>>>> emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
>>>> autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
>>>> zero.
>>>
>>> It means that when you are away, you are not able to access your mail.
>>> Of course when you never leave the home for e.g. a holiday, that does
>>> not matter. But lots of people do.
>>
>> I take this computer with me, and continue to collect by POP when away;
>> I don't notice any difference (to email; news varies slightly).
>
> You go on holiday taking your entire archive of previously sent and
> received messages with you???
> Don't forget to pack your backup drive as well!

The individuals in question, use USB sticks for portable
backup. Until they get to their home base and do something else.

Some appear to use SD or microSD or the like.

These are not my idea of what good backup devices
would be, but, it's certainly a solution.

*******

The smaller ones, like this example, are not normally
fast enough to be used as backup devices. There was one
nano that said "300MB/sec!!!", but it was only 25MB/sec on
writes and a shit show.

https://www.amazon.ca/Verbatim-Store-Flash-Drive-98711/dp/B00RORBNR6

You need the longer form factor ones, to get the write rate desired.
Sandisk Extreme or Sandisk Extreme Pro, usually manage at least
100MB/sec on write and maybe more if you're lucky.

You are more likely to do a backup, if the time taken is not
excessive.

Paul

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On 3/8/2022 8:49 AM, Rob wrote:
>> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:14:35, Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote (my
>>> responses usually FOLLOW):
>>>> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>> I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
>>>>> emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
>>>>> autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
>>>>> zero.
>>>>
>>>> It means that when you are away, you are not able to access your mail.
>>>> Of course when you never leave the home for e.g. a holiday, that does
>>>> not matter. But lots of people do.
>>>
>>> I take this computer with me, and continue to collect by POP when away;
>>> I don't notice any difference (to email; news varies slightly).
>>
>> You go on holiday taking your entire archive of previously sent and
>> received messages with you???
>> Don't forget to pack your backup drive as well!
>
> The individuals in question, use USB sticks for portable
> backup. Until they get to their home base and do something else.

I am more worried about their device and/or backup media getting stolen
and all their private data ending up in the wrong hands.

Joerg Lorenz wrote:

> Paranoia and using an Android?

ASSESSMENT:
The iKooks only know the propaganda Apple has _fed_ them to believe.
And yet, Apple's R&D is the lowest of all high tech (highest marketing).
As a result, Apple iOS is the most bug ridden common consumer software.

FACT:
Android security holes are far more expensive than iOS because there are so
many iOS zero-day holes, hackers even stopped accepting them for testing!
*Stop sending us Apple bugs, we have enough already*
<https://www.cyberscoop.com/ios-zero-day-zerodium-high-supply/>

Worse, while Android is now updated forever, no matter how old the device,
Apple summarily drops support for their devices after only a few years.
*Most of Android is now updated forever with no EOL in sight*
<https://www.droid-life.com/2022/03/01/google-system-update-march-improvements/>

Worse than that, when iOS needs to update, Apple has to create an entirely
new code stream for all users just to fix even a _single_ line of code!

Earlier this year, researchers were frustrated by Apple not fixing huge bugs
so they published the vulnerabilities and then it _still_ took Apple weeks
to scramble to create an entirely new iOS release which left billions of
users with _known_ (and hence actively exploited!) holes for a long time!
*Why Apple should provide standalone updates for native iOS apps*
<https://9to5mac.com/2022/01/21/heres-why-apple-should-provide-standalone-updates-for-native-ios-apps/>

No other common consumer operating system uses that primitive monolithic
method, and, in fact, it's _why_ Apple iOS code keeps zero-day bugs longer
(*even many months _after_ they've been reported to Apple!*).

That would _never_ happen with Android since Google can update _all_ Android
phones that are connected to the Internet completely independently of the
carrier and the OEM of that phone (they can even update the _firmware_).

Andy Burns and I have been testing this for weeks, by the way:
*Does Google really update Android forever with no EOL in sight?*
<https://groups.google.com/g/comp.mobile.android/c/_ZUiLVtLbsg>

And yet, Apple codes more than a zero-day bug a month on average per year.
In fact, iOS alone often averages two zero-day holes a month.

Which, let's remind people of the facts, Apple _never_ finds in its QA.
In fact, Apple has at even re-released vulnerabilities, in later releases.

That's how atrocious Apple's QA really is.

Even the VP of Software Engineering, Craig Federighi said so.
(His internal email decrying QA was published & we discussed it at length.)

Apple's strategy is basically propaganda.
Claim they have privacy, without ever providing it.

Don't believe me?
Look at what the Tor Project says about privacy with iOS devices.
*Can I run Tor Browser on an iOS device?*
<https://support.torproject.org/tormobile/tormobile-3/>
"Apple requires browsers on iOS to use something called Webkit,
which prevents Onion Browser from having the same privacy
protections as Tor Browser."

In summary, the only people who believe iOS is more private than Android,
are the iKooks (who only know what Apple has fed them to believe).
--
The problem with low IQ people like Joerg isn't that they're incredibly
stupid, but that they believe everything that they are fed by marketing.

Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> Am 07.03.22 um 23:34 schrieb J. P. Gilliver (John):
> > On Mon, 7 Mar 2022 at 12:02:47, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
> > (my responses usually FOLLOW):
> >> On 3/6/2022 8:20 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> >>
> >>> Regardless of whether you use IMAP or POP3, if you do regular backups,
> >>> it is ALSO on the backup media. If you don't do regular backups to
> >>> eternal media, you're playing with fire, and not just for that reason.
> >>> So as far as I'm concerned, that's not a big advantage of IMAP.
> >>> I use IMAP, but to me there's no real advantage to using it.
> >>
> >> OMG, I don't think anyone still uses POP3. The advantages of IMAP are
> >> enormous.
> >
> > I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
> > emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
> > autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
> > zero.
>
> You do not understand the concept of IMAP and obviously the value of
> your time and the security of your mails has a value of zero for you.
>
> Poor John!

Poor Joerg! Hasn't a clue that e-mail is just information/data. Guess
how all that *other* information/data is kept secure? IMAP is doing
diddly squat for that!

On Mon, 7 Mar 2022 22:34:09 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>On Mon, 7 Mar 2022 at 12:02:47, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
>(my responses usually FOLLOW):
>>On 3/6/2022 8:20 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>>> Regardless of whether you use IMAP or POP3, if you do regular backups,
>>> it is ALSO on the backup media. If you don't do regular backups to
>>> eternal media, you're playing with fire, and not just for that reason.
>>> So as far as I'm concerned, that's not a big advantage of IMAP.
>>> I use IMAP, but to me there's no real advantage to using it.
>>
>>OMG, I don't think anyone still uses POP3. The advantages of IMAP are
>>enormous.
>
>I collect my email on one device (this computer),

Same for me, except when I travel and read it on my phone (I almost
never travel anymore; I think those days are behind me).

>and manually move
>emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
>autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
>zero.

Same for me, although that's what I use.

--
The real, original Ken Blake, not some other newcomer

On Tue, 08 Mar 2022 10:14:35 +0100, Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote:

>J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
>> emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
>> autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
>> zero.
>
>It means that when you are away, you are not able to access your mail.
>Of course when you never leave the home for e.g. a holiday, that does
>not matter.

Why not? When I used to travel (always on a holiday for the last 29
years) I always wanted to and always did read my mail, most recently
on my smart phone.

> But lots of people do.

--
The real, original Ken Blake, not some other newcomer

On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 11:01:33 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
<G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:14:35, Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote (my
>responses usually FOLLOW):
>>J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>> I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
>>> emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
>>> autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
>>> zero.
>>
>>It means that when you are away, you are not able to access your mail.
>>Of course when you never leave the home for e.g. a holiday, that does
>>not matter. But lots of people do.
>
>I take this computer with me,

It must be a laptop. Mine is a giant very heavy full tower. No way
would I want to or could I take it with me on a plane.

> and continue to collect by POP when away;
>I don't notice any difference (to email; news varies slightly).

--
The real, original Ken Blake, not some other newcomer

On Tue, 08 Mar 2022 16:26:14 +0100, Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote:

>Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>> On 3/8/2022 8:49 AM, Rob wrote:
>>> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:14:35, Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote (my
>>>> responses usually FOLLOW):
>>>>> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
>>>>>> emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
>>>>>> autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
>>>>>> zero.
>>>>>
>>>>> It means that when you are away, you are not able to access your mail.
>>>>> Of course when you never leave the home for e.g. a holiday, that does
>>>>> not matter. But lots of people do.
>>>>
>>>> I take this computer with me, and continue to collect by POP when away;
>>>> I don't notice any difference (to email; news varies slightly).
>>>
>>> You go on holiday taking your entire archive of previously sent and
>>> received messages with you???
>>> Don't forget to pack your backup drive as well!
>>
>> The individuals in question, use USB sticks for portable
>> backup. Until they get to their home base and do something else.
>
>I am more worried about their device and/or backup media getting stolen
>and all their private data ending up in the wrong hands.

Yes, I've known more than one person who has had his laptop stolen
when traveling.

--
The real, original Ken Blake, not some other newcomer

Am 08.03.22 um 18:00 schrieb Ken Blake:
> On Tue, 08 Mar 2022 16:26:14 +0100, Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote:
>> I am more worried about their device and/or backup media getting stolen
>> and all their private data ending up in the wrong hands.
>
>
> Yes, I've known more than one person who has had his laptop stolen
> when traveling.

Tell that our flying Dutchman ...
*ROTFLSTC*

--
De gustibus non est disputandum

On Tue, 08 Mar 2022 10:12:12 +0100, Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote:

>The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I want to control when I delete stuff. The only reason for keeping it
>> hanging around is that I MIGHT need it because... because. At some
>> point I figure I haven't needed any of that stuff so I get rid of it,
>> but I want to make that decision myself perhaps every 3 months or so.
>
>In IMAP you can make folders. You can move stuff into folders to
>keep it, you can automate that, you can even configure where it is
>moved when you click the delete button.
>In my mail, stuff from mailinglist is automatically moved into a folder
>for each list, as are certain other messages.
>(this can be done inside Thunderbird but in my case I do it on the
>IMAP server using a filtering protocol called SIEVE, because then it
>also happens when I don't have Thunderbird open but e.g. access my
>mail via WEBMAIL)
>
>> I guess I'm bitching about the same thing(s) that everyone else is
>> bitching about -- we've got something that works now and we don't want
>> to have to jump through a lot of new hoops just to accomplish the same
>> old thing. ESPECIALLY since it seems to offer no particular advantage
>> over what already exists.
>
>It is the typical behavior of old people.

I'm an old person--84.

>Do not want to learn new
>things, want to keep doing things the old way.

I have no problem learning new things and I work at learning new
things every day. But I don't want to take the time and make the
effort to learn something new unless I'm convinced that it has a real
advantage for me.

>I do have that in some fields, but fortunately I have made the move
>to IMAP very long ago so that is not one of them.

--
The real, original Ken Blake, not some other newcomer

In article <t082kh.16j0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank
Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:

> > > I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
> > > emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
> > > autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
> > > zero.
> >
> > You do not understand the concept of IMAP and obviously the value of
> > your time and the security of your mails has a value of zero for you.
> >
> > Poor John!
>
> Poor Joerg! Hasn't a clue that e-mail is just information/data. Guess
> how all that *other* information/data is kept secure? IMAP is doing
> diddly squat for that!

actually, it is doing quite a bit. imap requires login credentials to
access email, whereas the local hd/ssd does not unless it's encrypted,
which at least for windows, is not that common. backup drives (usb
stick, external hd/ssd) are also generally not encrypted. if the laptop
and/or external media is lost or stolen, everything is exposed.

On 3/6/2022 9:01 AM, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 03/06/2022 08:31 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>> Frank Slootweg wrote:
>>>
>>> > Andy Burns wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Thunderbird certainly supports oAuth
>>> >
>>> > Thunderbird indeed supports OAuth2 for IMAP accounts. But does it as
>>> > well for POP accounts?
>>>
>>> yes it does, I'm using it with TB v91, I have no idea how old a
>>> version you have to go back to where POP doesn't support oAuth
>>
>>    Thanks for the confirmation. (Not that I need or want OAuth2.)
>>
>>> > That was not the case on older versions (and my
>>> > version is old (60.9.0), because I don't want to update).
>>>
>>> Those who don't update are just storing-up future pain :-P
>>
>>    Sofar, not updating caused me *less* pain. *If* I need new
>> *functionality*, I'll have another look. But I can well do without TB's
>> slew of gratuitous UI changes and other (non-)'improvements'. YMMV/YMWV.
>
> I did regular updates until I got tired of losing extensions and
> capabilities that were valuable to me.  Like decluttering, you cry at
> first and then forget -- the only one that I really remember and which
> really hurt was losing the ability to show a .jpg as the background of
> the message pane (I had a texture rather than an actual photo), which
> made the text stand out more clearly than a plain solid background.
>

The one that annoys me is that the "allow HTML temp" add-on for
thunderbird has not worked right for the last several thunderbird updates.

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <t082kh.16j0.1@ID-201911.user.individual.net>, Frank
> Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
> > > > emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
> > > > autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
> > > > zero.
> > >
> > > You do not understand the concept of IMAP and obviously the value of
> > > your time and the security of your mails has a value of zero for you.
> > >
> > > Poor John!
> >
> > Poor Joerg! Hasn't a clue that e-mail is just information/data. Guess
> > how all that *other* information/data is kept secure? IMAP is doing
> > diddly squat for that!
>
> actually, it is doing quite a bit. imap requires login credentials to
> access email, whereas the local hd/ssd does not unless it's encrypted,
> which at least for windows, is not that common. backup drives (usb
> stick, external hd/ssd) are also generally not encrypted. if the laptop
> and/or external media is lost or stolen, everything is exposed.

<whoosh!>

Clue-by-four: "*other*" ... "that".

Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 11:01:33 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:14:35, Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote (my
> >responses usually FOLLOW):
> >>J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> >>> I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
> >>> emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
> >>> autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
> >>> zero.
> >>
> >>It means that when you are away, you are not able to access your mail.
> >>Of course when you never leave the home for e.g. a holiday, that does
> >>not matter. But lots of people do.
> >
> >I take this computer with me,
>
>
> It must be a laptop. Mine is a giant very heavy full tower. No way
> would I want to or could I take it with me on a plane.

Actually, an acquaintance *did* take his tower PC on a plane (from NL
to AU). No, it wasn't his carry-on luggage! :-) Granted it was a long
time ago - 2004 IIRC - and for a very long stay, but it was still quite
special and funny, especially because I was already using laptops since
the late(r) 90's. Can't remember if he took the keyboard. He didn't take
the monitor.

But of course he used IMAP on it, not that inferior, outdated,
obsolete, crappy, malfunctioning, insecure POS called 'POP3'!

> > and continue to collect by POP when away;
> >I don't notice any difference (to email; news varies slightly).

Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Mar 2022 16:26:14 +0100, Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote:
>
>>Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 3/8/2022 8:49 AM, Rob wrote:
>>>> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 at 10:14:35, Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote (my
>>>>> responses usually FOLLOW):
>>>>>> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> I collect my email on one device (this computer), and manually move
>>>>>>> emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
>>>>>>> autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
>>>>>>> zero.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It means that when you are away, you are not able to access your mail.
>>>>>> Of course when you never leave the home for e.g. a holiday, that does
>>>>>> not matter. But lots of people do.
>>>>>
>>>>> I take this computer with me, and continue to collect by POP when away;
>>>>> I don't notice any difference (to email; news varies slightly).
>>>>
>>>> You go on holiday taking your entire archive of previously sent and
>>>> received messages with you???
>>>> Don't forget to pack your backup drive as well!
>>>
>>> The individuals in question, use USB sticks for portable
>>> backup. Until they get to their home base and do something else.
>>
>>I am more worried about their device and/or backup media getting stolen
>>and all their private data ending up in the wrong hands.
>
>
> Yes, I've known more than one person who has had his laptop stolen
> when traveling.

In that case you would be happy when the computer did not contain
a copy of all e-mail, but this resides safely on the IMAP server,
protected by a password.

In alt.comp.os.windows-10 Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 7 Mar 2022 22:34:09 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver (John)"
> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

> >On Mon, 7 Mar 2022 at 12:02:47, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
> >(my responses usually FOLLOW):
> >>On 3/6/2022 8:20 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> >>
> >>> Regardless of whether you use IMAP or POP3, if you do regular backups,
> >>> it is ALSO on the backup media. If you don't do regular backups to
> >>> eternal media, you're playing with fire, and not just for that reason.
> >>> So as far as I'm concerned, that's not a big advantage of IMAP.
> >>> I use IMAP, but to me there's no real advantage to using it.
> >>
> >>OMG, I don't think anyone still uses POP3. The advantages of IMAP are
> >>enormous.
> >
> >I collect my email on one device (this computer),

> Same for me, except when I travel and read it on my phone (I almost
> never travel anymore; I think those days are behind me).

Same here. I keep my e-mails locally. I do use IMAP when I go out so I
can download my e-mails later at home.

> >and manually move
> >emails into folders occasionally. (Actually, I do have some
> >autorouteing.) I do backups. For me, the touted advantages of IMAP are
> >zero.

> Same for me, although that's what I use.

Yep!
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