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* How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022Andy Burnelli
+* Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30thAndy Burns
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|`* Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022VanguardLH
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| `- Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30thCarlos E.R.
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|| | `* Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30thThe Real Bev
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||  |   `* Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30thCarlos E.R.
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||  |    |`- Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022Andy Burnelli
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||  |     `* Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30thCarlos E.R.
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|+* Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30thBig Al
||`* Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022J. P. Gilliver (John)
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|| ||`* Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022mechanic
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|| ||    |`- Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30thCarlos E.R.
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|| || `* Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on MayRob
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|| ||   `- Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022J. P. Gilliver (John)
|| |`- Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30thCarlos E.R.
|| +- Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022mechanic
|| `* Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022Mayayana
|`- Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30thCarlos E.R.
+* Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30thJoerg Lorenz
`- Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022Andy Burnelli

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Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022

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From: spa...@nospam.com (Andy Burnelli)
Newsgroups: comp.mobile.android,misc.phone.mobile.iphone,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Subject: Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022
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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 10 Mar 2022 20:32 UTC

mechanic wrote:

>> That Google did this is an example of sophomoric coding, which some could
>> call it unprofessional because it casts too wide of a net unnecessarily so.
>
> Not sure you can apply that property to 'coding' rather than to
> behaviour. The result may have properties or features that you don't
> like but they are probably not there just to annoy you, or rather
> they are there as a result of poor development/release processes, or
> are there because markets want them.

Well, I don't disagree as I have plenty of friends who work for Google.
They're SMART people.
Super smart people.

Yet, their algorithms, in my humble opinion, are sophomoric.
However, I have a Yahoo email address, which is filled with spam.

In essence the difference is that google is draconian in filtering.
a. Google hates VPN
b. Google hates changing the IP address even when NOT on VPN
c. Google hates local email mailing lists
etc.

One thing Google hates that is apropos is logging in from an application
such as K-9 Mail, where I suspect their rationale is they feel I should be
using GMail, which I would, if it didn't do _two_ things I don't want.
1. GMail will instantly _create_ an account on your Android phone, and,
2. GMail will _always_ upload your contacts the first time you use it!
Last I checked, admittedly a while ago, at least it did that.
I dropped GMail for K-9 Mail when I found this out.

Now I have to drop K-9 Mail, but I have other options.
I just haven't explored them yet (and I'm hoping others may suggest them).

Basically on Windows, TB works fine as Claws did before that.
On Android, I'll find a free ad free respectable MUA that uses OAuth2.
On iOS, well, Apple locked up on and won't let me use FaceTime/Messages on
the others, so it's always iOS that is more restrictive than all the rest.

I assume that if I had wanted to use the iPads as more than just toys, I'd
also have to find a MUA that doesn't do the two things the GMail app does on
Android.

Actually, come to think of it... maybe... just maybe...
a. Maybe the GMail app on iOS does _not_ create an account on the device?
(probably it doesn't as you already are forced to have an iCloud account)
b. Maybe the GMail app on iOS does _not_ upload contacts the first time?
(dunno. I don't know how iOS _stores_ your contacts!)

On Android, the contacts are stored in a known location in an sqlite format.
I don't know HOW they're stored on iOS.

I could ask but they are such little children on the iOS newsgroups that
they probably wouldn't know as it's not something Apple has fed them yet.

The only thing the folks know on the Apple newsgroup are product
announcements and advertising slogans (like "Apple inside" bullshit).

None of them knows much about how iOS actually works (they don't even
realize how it's updated differently from all other operating systems).

Back to Google, I agree with you that it's just that they're draconian in
denying every possible avenue for others to misuse their system, which
ensnares me even as I am just a regular longtime user.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 10 Mar 2022 20:40 UTC

mechanic wrote:

> Much missed, although a bit prickly to deal with. He died in 2012.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Crispin

I was in high tech for decades in the Silicon Valley.
All the best people are "a bit prickly" in my estimation.
They don't suffer fools at all.

I used to have to convince them to do stuff for me like add a feature.
They would all argue about what they cared about (sometimes rightly).

But I would argue on behalf of the customer.
Sometimes I'd have to go above them to get them to do it.

But I almost always got them to do it.
They respected me since I was never wrong on my facts.

They don't respect bullshitters.
Which is why I know the iKooks couldn't last a day at a startup out here.

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 by: nospam - Thu, 10 Mar 2022 20:42 UTC

In article <t0dn9m$62n$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

> a. Google hates VPN

so much so, that they offer their own vpn.

Re: How to recover from Google dropping password support on May 30th 2022

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Thu, 10 Mar 2022 21:25 UTC

On 2022-03-10 13:25, Rob wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> Gmail deletes what they consider duplicate email, without asking. For
>> example, assume you are subscribed to a mail list. You send an email to
>> said list. Said list sends that email to everybody in the list,
>> including you. But gmail automatically deletes that email to you,
>> because it has the same message-id as the one in the sent folder, but
>> has slightly different content, and thus users get no confirmation that
>> their email was posted and may repost again.
>
> I consider mailing lists that send a copy of a forwarded message to
> the original submitter extremely broken, especially when they do so
> with the sender address as a From address.
>
> Who would, in their right mind, accept an incoming message from an
> outside source claiming to be sent by someone on the inside?
> That is opening your system up to all kinds of fraud!
>
> And who would want mail claiming to be from their address to be forwarded
> by some random system? That breaks any trust in the authenticity of mail.
>
> These mailing lists should really be repaired.

They are doing the correct thing.

And anyway, this is configurable.

Fraud? Not at all.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Lewis - Thu, 10 Mar 2022 21:59 UTC

In message <QPFUkj3QZVKiFwQ4@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 at 17:11:38, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me>
> wrote (my responses usually FOLLOW):
> []
>>POP3 is designed for reading mail on a single device. It was suitable for
>>a system where you logged in to a specific computer and read mil there.

> I don't read email on the remote computer; I download it and read it
> locally.

So what? That has nothing to do with what I said.

> I know at least one person who uses POP on multiple devices.

And that is a supremely shitty experience with many limitations and no
syncing of state. Messages you read are not marked as read on other
devices. Replies only exist on the machine the reply was composed on, so
if you want to find an email you sent to Bob, you have to check the sent
mail on every device you may have used.

>>
>>IMAP is designed for reading email on multiple devices and being able to
>>keep that email in sync. It has many advantages of POP3 and POP3 has NO
>>advatanges over IMAP because IMAP can be used in a way that replicates
>>POP exactly, while the same cannot be said of POP3.
>>
> POP has the "advantage" that it will run on clients that don't support
> IMAP.

It's not the 90s.

>>> Each defaults to being what makes most sense for those uses.
>>
>>Ther is absolutely no reason for anyone to be using POP3. It offers zero
>>advantages over IMAP and zero features over IMAP.

> I once read that people who have tattoos have no problem with people who
> don't have tattoos. (I don't have any tattoos, but I've always thought
> it a thoughtful observation [because a lot of people who _don't_ have
> tattoos seem to have a problem with those who do].) Whatever the pros
> and cons of the two systems, I _have_ noticed that IMAP enthusiasts seem
> _offended_ by people who use POP, whereas POP enthusiasts couldn't care
> (except where IMAP ones get evangelical).

POP "enthusiasts" simply do not understand the differences between POP
and IMAP and claim that POP is 'simpler' or 'safer' and neither of those
things is true.

>>> Originally all email was downloaded to a client and then deleted from
>>> the server. People were not allowed to have much space on the server.

> The limited server space certainly _was_ the case (though now server
> space is sufficient that people rarely hit any limit - though it does
> happen).

It happens with people who never delete their spam, or who have shitty
hosts with very low limits.

> Deleting from the server on download is still AFAIK the default setting
> in most POP-capable email clients, but can be turned off on most of
> them.

And? You can do the same with IMAP.

>> I routinely read my mail on 4 different computers: a desktop,
>>a laptop, a tablet, and a phone. Managing that with POP is so close to
>>impossible as makes no difference.

> My friend doesn't find any problem.

Bullshit. If he reads his mail on device one, and then goes to device
two, all the mail he already read on device one is still marked as
unread on device two. That's just a fact.

>>I often start a reply to an email on my phone, realize I have more to
>>type than I thought, and finish the mail on my laptop or desktop. This is
>>impossible with POP.

> A valid point.
>>
>>Again, there is *nothing* that POP3 ofers that cannot be done with IMAP
>>and there are many things that can be done in IMAP that cannot be
>>replicated in POP3. Ergo, no reason to ever use POP3.
>>
> Other than (at least) the bother of changing, if none of the IMAP
> "advantages" are anything you want. There may be other reasons I don't
> know of.

The advantages to IMAP are absolutely things that people want, and that
anyone who has used IMAP expects, unless they have a single device for
email and never use any other device. This does not describe most
people, and probably no people under 80.

> I repeat my earlier observation: it seems to really bug IMAP supporters
> that people use POP, but not vice versa.

POP users are constantly going on about how it's "more secure" or
"safer". Conspiracy nutters, flat earthers, and other jackasses love POP.

--
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting
it in a fruit salad.

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 by: Lewis - Thu, 10 Mar 2022 22:04 UTC

In message <t0anl1$f3b$1@dont-email.me> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> But he is right. Zero privacy and I reject all mails from Gmail-senders

Ahahahahah. Yeah, sure you do. 1.5 billion people, at least, use gmail.
If you reject gmail users you are cutting off a significant percentage
of the wordl.

But maybe if you have no friends this is fine.

> on my regular mail-accounts. I do not want Google to collect information
> about me indirectly.

Then you best disconnect for the Internet. You know Google is archiving
your posts here, right?

> I use my Google-account only to get all the stupid technical mails who
> logged into my Google-account and whether it was me and which device
> from where. Utter busllshit and only useable for mentally handicapped
> people. Google has no access to anything else.

Hilarious. You block gmail and use gmail. Did you take stupid pills as a
child?

--
>> a Freudian slip is when you say one thing but you're really
>> thinking about a mother.
> no, a Freudian slip is sexy underwear your mother wears

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 by: J. P. Gilliver (John - Thu, 10 Mar 2022 22:08 UTC

On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 at 07:49:49, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote
(my responses usually FOLLOW):
>On 3/9/2022 5:37 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> I repeat my earlier observation: it seems to really bug IMAP
>>supporters that people use POP, but not vice versa.
>
>It does. People that use POP3 are standing in the way of human progress.

How do they stand in the way of _you_ making progress? (If they choose
to, as you see it, impede their _own_ progress, how does it impede
_yours_?)
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

once described by Eccentrica Golumbits as the best bang since the big one ...
(first series, fit the second)

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 by: The Real Bev - Thu, 10 Mar 2022 22:41 UTC

On 03/10/2022 01:59 PM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <QPFUkj3QZVKiFwQ4@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>> I repeat my earlier observation: it seems to really bug IMAP supporters
>> that people use POP, but not vice versa.
>
> POP users are constantly going on about how it's "more secure" or
> "safer". Conspiracy nutters, flat earthers, and other jackasses love POP.

Or people who used POP since 1995 (long before cellphones were common)
and have developed a complex filtering structure. The idea of having to
do this all over again is genuinely unpleasant, especially since it
offers ME no benefit over POP. YMMV, of course; not everyone uses the
internet in the same way.

I use each device in a different way and do NOT want to have all email
accessible on all devices. If I eventually have to do this it will be a
monumental nuisance and annoyance.

Some people are incapable of complex configuration; I can understand
why they would prefer a system that offers simplicity.

--
Cheers, Bev
" While in high school, we were encouraged to keep a daily journal.
I never liked it, especially when early on I realized that anybody
could find it and read it. Fortunately, the jury never saw it."
-- Anonymous, for obvious reasons

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 10 Mar 2022 23:27 UTC

nospam wrote:

>> a. Google hates VPN
>
> so much so, that they offer their own vpn.

Are you intimating that Google won't make your life miserable if you log
into your Google account to access your mail while you're using any of six
thousand rotating random VPN server IP addresses as I do?

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Thu, 10 Mar 2022 23:32 UTC

Carlos E.R. wrote:

> I refuse to do that.

Ask any of the _adults_ here how I treat them, Carlos.

I'll even treat you as an adult when you act like an adult.

But it's up to you whether or not you want to act like an adult.

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 by: nospam - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 00:13 UTC

In article <t0e1hj$7ns$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

>
> >> a. Google hates VPN
> >
> > so much so, that they offer their own vpn.
>
> Are you intimating that Google won't make your life miserable if you log
> into your Google account to access your mail while you're using any of six
> thousand rotating random VPN server IP addresses as I do?

whoosh

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 by: Roger Blake - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 00:39 UTC

On 2022-03-10, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:
> In message <QPFUkj3QZVKiFwQ4@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> It's not the 90s.

No, it's not - I still read email the same way I did in the 1980s, using
a text-based program run in a Unix shell. I don't use POP or IMAP, my
email is delivered via procmail into mbox format "folders".

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 by: Carlos E.R. - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 11:01 UTC

On 2022-03-10 23:41, The Real Bev wrote:
> On 03/10/2022 01:59 PM, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <QPFUkj3QZVKiFwQ4@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John)
>> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>> I repeat my earlier observation: it seems to really bug IMAP supporters
>>> that people use POP, but not vice versa.
>>
>> POP users are constantly going on about how it's "more secure" or
>> "safer". Conspiracy nutters, flat earthers, and other jackasses love POP.
>
> Or people who used POP since 1995 (long before cellphones were common)
> and have developed a complex filtering structure.  The idea of having to
> do this all over again is genuinely unpleasant, especially since it
> offers ME no benefit over POP.  YMMV, of course;   not everyone uses the
> internet in the same way.

I have accounts that started maybe on 1995, pop3 only, with a filtering
structure that became complex over the years; when I migrated to imap I
did not have to do anything to my filtering.

> I use each device in a different way and do NOT want to have all email
> accessible on all devices.  If I eventually have to do this it will be a
> monumental nuisance and annoyance.

It is with pop3, yes.

>
> Some people are incapable of complex configuration;  I can understand
> why they would prefer a system that offers simplicity.
>

--
Cheers, Carlos.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 14:11 UTC

nospam wrote:

>>>> a. Google hates VPN
>>>
>>> so much so, that they offer their own vpn.
>>
>> Are you intimating that Google won't make your life miserable if you log
>> into your Google account to access your mail while you're using any of six
>> thousand rotating random VPN server IP addresses as I do?
>
> whoosh

You're the one who whooshed when I said Google doesn't like when we log in
using a different IP address with each log in to our Google accounts.

If you don't even know that, which I would think _everyone_ should know
already, then it just means you're unfathomably ignorant nospam.

It doesn't matter what services Google offers (hell, they off a cloud
service too, and an advertising service, and a map service, etc.).

You are completely ignorant of what Google does when you log in using VPN.

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 by: Frank Slootweg - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 16:18 UTC

J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
[...]

> I repeat my earlier observation: it seems to really bug IMAP supporters
> that people use POP, but not vice versa.

Odd one out: It really bugs me [1] that I use IMAP! :-)

But other than that:

+<very_large_number>

[1] FTR, I'm not a POP 'supporter', I'm a POP user.

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 by: Ken Blake - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 16:40 UTC

On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 22:04:30 -0000 (UTC), Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>In message <t0anl1$f3b$1@dont-email.me> Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
>> But he is right. Zero privacy and I reject all mails from Gmail-senders
>
>Ahahahahah. Yeah, sure you do. 1.5 billion people, at least, use gmail.

Including several of my relatives and my closest friend. As much as I
would like to block all Gmail users, I don't.

>If you reject gmail users you are cutting off a significant percentage
>of the wordl.

Yes.

>But maybe if you have no friends this is fine.
>
>> on my regular mail-accounts. I do not want Google to collect information
>> about me indirectly.
>
>Then you best disconnect for the Internet. You know Google is archiving
>your posts here, right?
>
>> I use my Google-account only to get all the stupid technical mails who
>> logged into my Google-account and whether it was me and which device
>> from where. Utter busllshit and only useable for mentally handicapped
>> people. Google has no access to anything else.

--
The real, original Ken Blake, not some other newcomer

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 by: AJL - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 16:51 UTC

On 3/11/2022 9:18 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> J. P. Gilliver (John)" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
> [...]
>
>> I repeat my earlier observation: it seems to really bug IMAP supporters
>> that people use POP, but not vice versa.
>
> Odd one out: It really bugs me [1] that I use IMAP! :-)
>
> But other than that:
>
> +<very_large_number>
>
> [1] FTR, I'm not a POP 'supporter', I'm a POP user.

I've used only a browser for many years and don't look down on anyone... ;)

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 by: nospam - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 16:57 UTC

In article <t0fla9$1sf8$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

>
> >>>> a. Google hates VPN
> >>>
> >>> so much so, that they offer their own vpn.
> >>
> >> Are you intimating that Google won't make your life miserable if you log
> >> into your Google account to access your mail while you're using any of six
> >> thousand rotating random VPN server IP addresses as I do?
> >
> > whoosh
>
> You're the one who whooshed when I said Google doesn't like when we log in
> using a different IP address with each log in to our Google accounts.
>

you said google hates vpn, which is still quoted above.

google offers their own vpn service, thus they cannot hate vpn. in
fact, they quite like it.

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 by: Rob - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 17:00 UTC

nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <t0fla9$1sf8$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
> <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> >>>> a. Google hates VPN
>> >>>
>> >>> so much so, that they offer their own vpn.
>> >>
>> >> Are you intimating that Google won't make your life miserable if you log
>> >> into your Google account to access your mail while you're using any of six
>> >> thousand rotating random VPN server IP addresses as I do?
>> >
>> > whoosh
>>
>> You're the one who whooshed when I said Google doesn't like when we log in
>> using a different IP address with each log in to our Google accounts.
>>
>
> you said google hates vpn, which is still quoted above.
>
> google offers their own vpn service, thus they cannot hate vpn. in
> fact, they quite like it.

The fact they like to provide others the service of a VPN (so they
can look in the traffic to see what they visit) does not mean that
they like their own service users using VPN (and hiding their originating
place and address)!

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 17:38 UTC

nospam wrote:

> you said google hates vpn, which is still quoted above.
>
> google offers their own vpn service, thus they cannot hate vpn. in
> fact, they quite like it.

Whoosh.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 17:40 UTC

Rob wrote:

>> you said google hates vpn, which is still quoted above.
>>
>> google offers their own vpn service, thus they cannot hate vpn. in
>> fact, they quite like it.
>
> The fact they like to provide others the service of a VPN (so they
> can look in the traffic to see what they visit) does not mean that
> they like their own service users using VPN (and hiding their originating
> place and address)!

Thank you for explaining it to the low-IQ ignorant iKook nospam.

Sometimes he says stuff and I have to shake my head in wonderment:
a. Is he really _that_ stupid?
b. Or is he just always pulling out leg with childish denials.

Over time, I've come to realize, the iKooks really _are_ that stupid.
They're no different from the Dunning-Kruger quartile 1 bank robber.
--
I don't care that iKooks are child-like with a low-IQ & no education & low
self esteem; but due to that, they're so confident in being so very wrong.

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 by: Lewis - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 19:29 UTC

In message <t0duqv$hjj$1@dont-email.me> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 03/10/2022 01:59 PM, Lewis wrote:
>> In message <QPFUkj3QZVKiFwQ4@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>> I repeat my earlier observation: it seems to really bug IMAP supporters
>>> that people use POP, but not vice versa.
>>
>> POP users are constantly going on about how it's "more secure" or
>> "safer". Conspiracy nutters, flat earthers, and other jackasses love POP.

> Or people who used POP since 1995 (long before cellphones were common)
> and have developed a complex filtering structure.

I've had an email address since email addresses contained ! (a bang
path, it was called). I remember when '@' was the newfangled thing. That
doesn't make POP better. And it is much simpler and more efficient to
filter mail in IMAP because with a decent host, you have access to sieve
and server-side filtering.

> do this all over again is genuinely unpleasant, especially since it
> offers ME no benefit over POP

If you NEVER need to access your email except from ONE computer, then it
offers fewer advantages, but not none. Howwever, the vast majority of
people do sometimes need to access their email from somewhere else than
their home desktop.

POP stores all the mail in a single text file. This was fine when you
got a few KB of email. It is not great when emails are often in the
15-20MB range. An IMAP account has no issues with large mailboxes, and I
have accounts that have 5GB of mail. I just moved a client to a new
mailhost and her email archive was 3.7GB, but it was in thousands of
files, not one single file.

I stopped supporting POP on my own mailserver when a user had a 1.4GB
mailbox and his checking mail brought the server to it's knees because
every time he checked mail it had to parse that file. This was in 2000
or 2001.

> YMMV, of course; not everyone uses the internet in the same way.

But you can't leave the house without leaving your email behind. You
can't go to work and access your email. Or on vacation. Or anywhere.

> I use each device in a different way and do NOT want to have all email
> accessible on all devices.

Then you have a very limited use of email to start with. No boarding
passes. No login confirmations. And you must never be away from your
'email machine' which certainly would lead one to guess you are quite
elderly to be able to get away with that.

> If I eventually have to do this it will be a monumental nuisance and
> annoyance.

And you say this based on a good foundation on what using IMAP is like
from your many years of never having used it?

> Some people are incapable of complex configuration

There is nothing complex about IMAP. It is MUCH simpler to setup than
POP.

> I can understand why they would prefer a system that offers
> simplicity.

Exactly. That's why IMAP is better in every way.

You're arguing about how bad starter motors are and that you really
think the hand crank is much simpler.

--
Ziggy plays guitar

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 by: The Real Bev - Fri, 11 Mar 2022 23:00 UTC

On 03/11/2022 11:29 AM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <t0duqv$hjj$1@dont-email.me> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 03/10/2022 01:59 PM, Lewis wrote:
>>> In message <QPFUkj3QZVKiFwQ4@a.a> J. P. Gilliver (John) <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>> I repeat my earlier observation: it seems to really bug IMAP supporters
>>>> that people use POP, but not vice versa.
>>>
>>> POP users are constantly going on about how it's "more secure" or
>>> "safer". Conspiracy nutters, flat earthers, and other jackasses love POP.
>
>> Or people who used POP since 1995 (long before cellphones were common)
>> and have developed a complex filtering structure.
>
> I've had an email address since email addresses contained ! (a bang
> path, it was called). I remember when '@' was the newfangled thing. That
> doesn't make POP better. And it is much simpler and more efficient to
> filter mail in IMAP because with a decent host, you have access to sieve
> and server-side filtering.

Imap sets up a new mail hierarchy. Right now, in my TB account, I have
25 years of Bob's email, 15 years of Barbara's... I also have a number
of 'folders' that mail gets sorted into automatically as soon as I get
it. Every once in a while I go through and move mail from my inbox to
Bob, Barbara, etc. Now, with IMAP, I will have an entirely new
hierarchy to deal with. AND I will have TWO files for each of the
'folders' I had before. I don't like this.

>> do this all over again is genuinely unpleasant, especially since it
>> offers ME no benefit over POP
>
> If you NEVER need to access your email except from ONE computer, then it
> offers fewer advantages, but not none. Howwever, the vast majority of
> people do sometimes need to access their email from somewhere else than
> their home desktop.

I do, but rarely and only the stuff that needs attention NOW. My phone
is NOT my primary communication device, just the thing I use when I'm
away from home -- a decreasing number of days per year, unfortunately.

> POP stores all the mail in a single text file.

I realize that. The headers take up more space than the message itself,
especially when the messages are in html, most of which don't need to
be. Thunderbird manages to deal with this problem nicely.

> This was fine when you
> got a few KB of email. It is not great when emails are often in the
> 15-20MB range. An IMAP account has no issues with large mailboxes, and I
> have accounts that have 5GB of mail. I just moved a client to a new
> mailhost and her email archive was 3.7GB, but it was in thousands of
> files, not one single file.

Size is immaterial. HD space is dirt cheap and I've got scads of it to
spare. I don't store much at all on my phone, and certainly not email.

> I stopped supporting POP on my own mailserver when a user had a 1.4GB
> mailbox and his checking mail brought the server to it's knees because
> every time he checked mail it had to parse that file. This was in 2000
> or 2001.

Why should I be inconvenienced because YOU had a lazy user?

>> YMMV, of course; not everyone uses the internet in the same way.
>
> But you can't leave the house without leaving your email behind. You
> can't go to work and access your email. Or on vacation. Or anywhere.

Happy to do that. One of the good things about being in the car used to
be that nobody could get at you then. Cellphones wiped that out, of course.

>> I use each device in a different way and do NOT want to have all email
>> accessible on all devices.
>
> Then you have a very limited use of email to start with. No boarding
> passes.

I last flew in 2008. All my friends/relatives are in driving distance
and I like to drive. There's just nowhere I want to fly to any more.

> No login confirmations.

I assume you mean the requirement to respond to an email before an
account is established. I approve of those. More entities should use
them. I'm really fed up with subscriptions to stuff that idiots used MY
email address for. I'm unlikely to want to subscribe to something when
I only have my phone, and if I did I would receive the email on my phone
just like I would on my computer.

> And you must never be away from your
> 'email machine' which certainly would lead one to guess you are quite
> elderly to be able to get away with that.

Shit on elderly, I'm old. I run linux, ski, play tennis and leg-pressed
480 pounds (the machine's max) a dozen times at the gym before The
Plague shut it down. I'll never get that again, but you're making a
mistake if you assume I'm bordering on senility.

>> If I eventually have to do this it will be a monumental nuisance and
>> annoyance.
>
> And you say this based on a good foundation on what using IMAP is like
> from your many years of never having used it?

I changed two accounts to IMAP a few years ago. I don't like the
structure that resulted and I don't like having to go to the gmail
website in order to deal with certain aspects.

>> Some people are incapable of complex configuration
>
> There is nothing complex about IMAP. It is MUCH simpler to setup than
> POP.

That was my point :-)

>> I can understand why they would prefer a system that offers
>> simplicity.
>
> Exactly. That's why IMAP is better in every way.

Whoosh.

> You're arguing about how bad starter motors are and that you really
> think the hand crank is much simpler.

Not relevant. Being able to push a button is a lot easier than
hand-cranking, although I've never done that. I'm also a dirt-rider,
though, and the push-button starter on my roadbike is a lot easier than
the crank on my dirtbike. BUT I had to replace the return spring on the
push-button with a pencil eraser (McGyver lives!); the foot-crank on
the KDX has always worked flawlessly.

--
Cheers, Bev
A spokesperson for 60s band 'the animals' has today made a
public apology saying they were mistaken and there isn't a
house in New Orleans after all.

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In comp.mobile.android Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote:
....
> [1] FTR, I'm not a POP 'supporter', I'm a POP user.

Ditto. I prefer to keep my e-mails on a single PC. I do use IMAP if I
need to keep e-mails on servers when I am not at home to use my home PC.
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 by: nospam - Sat, 12 Mar 2022 02:33 UTC

In article <ecmdnQ04SadNbLb_nZ2dnUU7-a-dnZ2d@earthlink.com>, Ant
<ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:

>
> I prefer to keep my e-mails on a single PC.

imap can do that.

> I do use IMAP if I
> need to keep e-mails on servers when I am not at home to use my home PC.

then might as well use imap everywhere. save the email on the one pc.

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