In article <t3mdr5$8s8$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> The biggest issue Apple ran into with the PowerPC processors was the
> high tdp (thermal design power).

that is flat out false.

powerpc chips had a *lower* tdp than similar intel chips and ran cooler
to where cooling fans weren't even needed in some cases. they also had
lower power consumption, making it better suited for laptops.

> It didn't matter much for desktops but
> it was causing the Macbook to fall too far behind the
> power/performance/battery life of X86 Windows laptops.

also wrong.

first of all, macbooks use intel processors (and now apple silicon arm
processors).

it was powerbooks that used powerpc processors (and a bit of trivia,
that's *not* why it was called powerbook, which predates powerpc).

second, the powerbooks were competitive, if not outperforming similar
spec intel laptops at the time.

> "PowerPC
> processors had the potential to be very fast, but they ran hot and
> required a lot of power, which is bad for laptops,"
> <https://mashable.com/article/intel-macs-at-10>.

also wrong.

not only did the first powerpc powerbooks *not* run hot, but they
didn't even have a cooling fan.

later models (e.g., powerpc g4) did have a fan, which rarely spun up.

only the powerpc g5 ran hot, although there was a low power version
sampling at the time of the intel transition, which was too late to be
used.

> The move to X86, and the ability to dual boot Windows and OS-X, also
> enabled sales of Macs to a much wider user base,

that part is true, although not as big of a deal as it might seem.

> "Even though Apple
> primarily moved from PowerPC to Intel x86 for performance reasons,

not quite.

the reason was that apple's long term goals did not align with
motorola/freescale and ibm as well as they did with intel.

> one
> of the huge advantages of the move was that for the first time, Mac
> users could run Windows natively on Mac hardware,"

that was a minor advantage, and relatively few mac users did so.

amusingly, quite a few windows users bought macbooks *just* to run
windows, erasing mac os entirely.

On 2022-04-19 12:19 a.m., Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:01:04 -0700) it happened Alan
> <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in <t3lj70$f8e$1@dont-email.me>:
>
>> On 2022-04-18 10:56 p.m., Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 16:12:43 -0400) it happened nospam
>>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in <180420221612438873%nospam@nospam.invalid>:
>>>
>>>> In article <t3kclh$18cc$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
>>>> <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The only reason Apple made the "courageous" decision to remove common
>>>>> industry standard hardware functionality that is found on almost all
>>>>> other devices.... is...
>>>>
>>>> ...is because very few people actually used an analog headphone jack to
>>>> justify keeping it in a highly-space constrained device, such as a
>>>> phone, where that space could be better served for features that
>>>> benefit more people. also because it's redundant, because a more
>>>> functional option has existed alongside it.
>>>
>>> As somebody else already pointed out,
>>> the analog jack with cable is required for FM radio reception,
>>> the headphone lead in that case functions as antenna.
>>>
>>
>> Since no iPhone ever had FM radio...
>
> Really?
> How bad, no radio in an emergency 'THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING HIDE UNDER THE TABLE AND LISTEN FOR 100.1MHz' sort of thing :-)
> 'No radio' is an other no-no to ever buy Apple,
> Sometimes there is good music on FM.
> I even have some Chinese old phone that could show analog TV when it was still here.
>
>

Bullshit.

On 19/04/2022 15:42, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-04-19 12:19 a.m., Jan Panteltje wrote:
>> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:01:04 -0700) it happened Alan
>> <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in <t3lj70$f8e$1@dont-email.me>:
>>
>>> On 2022-04-18 10:56 p.m., Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 16:12:43 -0400) it happened nospam
>>>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>> <180420221612438873%nospam@nospam.invalid>:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <t3kclh$18cc$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
>>>>> <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> The only reason Apple made the "courageous" decision to remove common
>>>>>> industry standard hardware functionality that is found on almost all
>>>>>> other devices.... is...
>>>>>
>>>>> ...is because very few people actually used an analog headphone
>>>>> jack to
>>>>> justify keeping it in a highly-space constrained device, such as a
>>>>> phone, where that space could be better served for features that
>>>>> benefit more people. also because it's redundant, because a more
>>>>> functional option has existed alongside it.
>>>>
>>>> As somebody else already pointed out,
>>>> the analog jack with cable is required for FM radio reception,
>>>> the headphone lead in that case functions as antenna.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Since no iPhone ever had FM radio...
>>
>> Really?
>> How bad, no radio in an emergency 'THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING HIDE UNDER
>> THE TABLE AND LISTEN FOR 100.1MHz' sort of thing :-)
>> 'No radio' is an other no-no to ever buy Apple,
>> Sometimes there is good music on FM.
>> I even have some Chinese old phone that could show analog TV when it
>> was still here.
>>
>>
>
> Bullshit.
Inclined to agree. Whilst I-pods may have had VHF radio, no cellphone
IOS or android has VHF hardware built in to best of my knowledge.
I use 'radio over the internet' when out and about with mine

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On 2022-04-18 1:49 p.m., nospam wrote:
> In article <t3khdv$19r9$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
> <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>>> Apple will permanently _disable_ your iPhone if you refuse to log into
>>>> their iCloud periodically
>>>
>>> that is categorically false, nor is that even possible.
>>
>> Then you know nothing about iOS because I tested it and you haven't.
>
> dude, i've been writing ios apps for nearly 15 years and have tested
> far more stuff than you can imagine even existing.
>
> the fact is that apple does *not* (nor can they) disable a device for
> any reason, certainly not refusing to log in to icloud.
>
> a few years ago, i powered on my original iphone, after having sat
> *unused* for something like 10 years (not sure exactly how long) and it
> worked surprisingly well, considering how old it is.
>
> the only issue was that some apps did little more than launch because
> the needed servers no longer existed, nor did the developers of the
> apps.

Can confirm.

I was over on Vancouver Island visiting my brother and his wife for
Easter and we were cleaning up some old technology...

....including an iPhone 4/4s that hadn't been powered on in at least 5 years.

It just started.

On 2022-04-19 7:58 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/04/2022 15:42, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-04-19 12:19 a.m., Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:01:04 -0700) it happened Alan
>>> <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in <t3lj70$f8e$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-04-18 10:56 p.m., Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 16:12:43 -0400) it happened nospam
>>>>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>> <180420221612438873%nospam@nospam.invalid>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <t3kclh$18cc$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
>>>>>> <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only reason Apple made the "courageous" decision to remove
>>>>>>> common
>>>>>>> industry standard hardware functionality that is found on almost all
>>>>>>> other devices.... is...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...is because very few people actually used an analog headphone
>>>>>> jack to
>>>>>> justify keeping it in a highly-space constrained device, such as a
>>>>>> phone, where that space could be better served for features that
>>>>>> benefit more people. also because it's redundant, because a more
>>>>>> functional option has existed alongside it.
>>>>>
>>>>> As somebody else already pointed out,
>>>>> the analog jack with cable is required for FM radio reception,
>>>>> the headphone lead in that case functions as antenna.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since no iPhone ever had FM radio...
>>>
>>> Really?
>>> How bad, no radio in an emergency 'THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING HIDE UNDER
>>> THE TABLE AND LISTEN FOR 100.1MHz' sort of thing :-)
>>> 'No radio' is an other no-no to ever buy Apple,
>>> Sometimes there is good music on FM.
>>> I even have some Chinese old phone that could show analog TV when it
>>> was still here.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Bullshit.
> Inclined to agree. Whilst I-pods may have had VHF radio, no cellphone
> IOS or android has VHF hardware built in to best of my knowledge.
> I use 'radio over the internet' when out and about with mine
>
>
>

And while a good many phones do have FM as a feature, I would be a lot
of money that most people never use it or are even aware of it.

On 4/19/2022 5:59 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

> I get 5 or six FM stations here, just plugged my big Sennheiser headphones into my Xiaomi smartphone.

In my area I get way more than that (28). The sound quality is not as
good as I get with my Sony HD Tuner, but it's convenient to have this
capability. Alas with the loss of the headphone jack it will not be
available on new phone.

On a sunny day (Tue, 19 Apr 2022 15:58:57 +0100) it happened The Natural
Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote in <t3minh$f9p$1@dont-email.me>:

>On 19/04/2022 15:42, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-04-19 12:19 a.m., Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:01:04 -0700) it happened Alan
>>> <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in <t3lj70$f8e$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 2022-04-18 10:56 p.m., Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 16:12:43 -0400) it happened nospam
>>>>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>> <180420221612438873%nospam@nospam.invalid>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <t3kclh$18cc$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
>>>>>> <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only reason Apple made the "courageous" decision to remove common
>>>>>>> industry standard hardware functionality that is found on almost all
>>>>>>> other devices.... is...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...is because very few people actually used an analog headphone
>>>>>> jack to
>>>>>> justify keeping it in a highly-space constrained device, such as a
>>>>>> phone, where that space could be better served for features that
>>>>>> benefit more people. also because it's redundant, because a more
>>>>>> functional option has existed alongside it.
>>>>>
>>>>> As somebody else already pointed out,
>>>>> the analog jack with cable is required for FM radio reception,
>>>>> the headphone lead in that case functions as antenna.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Since no iPhone ever had FM radio...
>>>
>>> Really?
>>> How bad, no radio in an emergency 'THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING HIDE UNDER
>>> THE TABLE AND LISTEN FOR 100.1MHz' sort of thing :-)
>>> 'No radio' is an other no-no to ever buy Apple,
>>> Sometimes there is good music on FM.
>>> I even have some Chinese old phone that could show analog TV when it
>>> was still here.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Bullshit.
>Inclined to agree. Whilst I-pods may have had VHF radio, no cellphone
>IOS or android has VHF hardware built in to best of my knowledge.
>I use 'radio over the internet' when out and about with mine

PXphone
http://www.cronotebook.com/SKU267104328.htm
mine is an older model.
Never use it, as analog TV is no longer transmitted here and I have 3 other more modern phones (no apples).

On 2022-04-19, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 4/18/2022 6:08 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-04-18 11:59 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>> It's a red herring to discuss the pros and cons since the reason
>>> Apple removed the industry standard 3.5 mm jack was to make you buy
>>> it back.
>>
>> Incorrect.
>
> Yes, he is incorrect. the primary reason was to encourage the purchase
> of AirPods.

Just because you say so? Nah. No sale, sorry.

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On 2022-04-19, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <t3l443$vv$1@dont-email.me>, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> >> It's a red herring to discuss the pros and cons since the reason
>> >> Apple removed the industry standard 3.5 mm jack was to make you
>> >> buy it back.
>> >
>> > Incorrect.
>>
>> Yes, he is incorrect.
>
> as are you.
>
>> the primary reason was to encourage the purchase of AirPods.
>
> that is absolutely false.

Especially considering Apple included a set of Lightning headphones in
the box at the time. : )

> in fact, airpods weren't even available when the iphone 7 was
> released.

Yup.

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In article <t3ml0s$2dt$1@dont-email.me>, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:

> >>> I even have some Chinese old phone that could show analog TV when it
> >>> was still here.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Bullshit.
> >Inclined to agree. Whilst I-pods may have had VHF radio, no cellphone
> >IOS or android has VHF hardware built in to best of my knowledge.
> >I use 'radio over the internet' when out and about with mine
>
>
> PXphone
> http://www.cronotebook.com/SKU267104328.htm
> mine is an older model.
> Never use it, as analog TV is no longer transmitted here and I have 3 other more modern phones (no apples).

the specs say 640x480 resolution, which is incredibly shitty.

this video confirms just how shitty it is:
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azQ1A99wfqw>

In article <jc83vcF8ilsU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> >
> >> the primary reason was to encourage the purchase of AirPods.
> >
> > that is absolutely false.
>
> Especially considering Apple included a set of Lightning headphones in
> the box at the time. : )

*and* they included a lightning adapter.

it's hard to encourage buying something new when *two* solutions are
provided in the box.

On 19/04/2022 16:14, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-04-19 7:58 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 19/04/2022 15:42, Alan wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-19 12:19 a.m., Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:01:04 -0700) it happened Alan
>>>> <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in <t3lj70$f8e$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2022-04-18 10:56 p.m., Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 16:12:43 -0400) it happened nospam
>>>>>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>> <180420221612438873%nospam@nospam.invalid>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <t3kclh$18cc$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
>>>>>>> <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only reason Apple made the "courageous" decision to remove
>>>>>>>> common
>>>>>>>> industry standard hardware functionality that is found on almost
>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>> other devices.... is...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ...is because very few people actually used an analog headphone
>>>>>>> jack to
>>>>>>> justify keeping it in a highly-space constrained device, such as a
>>>>>>> phone, where that space could be better served for features that
>>>>>>> benefit more people. also because it's redundant, because a more
>>>>>>> functional option has existed alongside it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As somebody else already pointed out,
>>>>>> the analog jack with cable is required for FM radio reception,
>>>>>> the headphone lead in that case functions as antenna.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Since no iPhone ever had FM radio...
>>>>
>>>> Really?
>>>> How bad, no radio in an emergency 'THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING HIDE
>>>> UNDER THE TABLE AND LISTEN FOR 100.1MHz' sort of thing :-)
>>>> 'No radio' is an other no-no to ever buy Apple,
>>>> Sometimes there is good music on FM.
>>>> I even have some Chinese old phone that could show analog TV when it
>>>> was still here.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Bullshit.
>> Inclined to agree. Whilst I-pods may have had VHF radio, no cellphone
>> IOS or android has VHF hardware built in to best of my knowledge.
>> I use 'radio over the internet' when out and about with mine
>>
>>
>>
>
> And while a good many phones do have FM as a feature, I would be a lot
> of money that most people never use it or are even aware of it.

Do they? I couldn't find a single example

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On 4/19/2022 8:35 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:

<snip>

> PXphone
> http://www.cronotebook.com/SKU267104328.htm
> mine is an older model.
> Never use it, as analog TV is no longer transmitted here and I have 3 other more modern phones (no apples).

There's an Android OTG USB-C adapter for receiving ATSC digital TV
broadcasts on Android phones and tablets. See
<https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GPB6VFX>. It comes with two antennas.

This is detailed in the document
<<https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features> as 158a on page 66.

I used to use Locast to watch TV on my laptop, and it was also available
on Android and iOS, but Locast got shut down
<https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/09/locasts-free-tv-service-ordered-to-shut-down-permanently-after-copyright-loss/>.

In article <t3mpp5$9e5$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> There's an Android OTG USB-C adapter for receiving ATSC digital TV
> broadcasts on Android phones and tablets.

there are tv receivers for ios too.

here's one:
<https://www.geniatech.eu/product/eyetv-mobile/>

there are others.

> This is detailed in the document

what about detailing the options for ios?

or doesn't that fit your narrative?

On 4/19/2022 9:38 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

<snip>

> Do they? I couldn't find a single example

All of my Android phones have an FM radio tuner, including two current
model 5G phones I acquired this year. However new flagship Android
phones, without a headphone jack (needed for the antenna), don't support
an FM radio.

I've used the FM radio occasionally, but rarely.

On Android devices without an FM radio you can use an RTL-SDR receiver
in the USB OTG port, see <https://us.amazon.com/dp/B07XPZMDZV>

Because of the better antenna these work better than an FM radio that
uses the headphone cable as an antenna. This is detailed in the document
<<https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features> as 159a on page 67.

On a sunny day (Tue, 19 Apr 2022 09:59:16 -0700) it happened sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in <t3mpp5$9e5$1@dont-email.me>:

>On 4/19/2022 8:35 AM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> PXphone
>> http://www.cronotebook.com/SKU267104328.htm
>> mine is an older model.
>> Never use it, as analog TV is no longer transmitted here and I have 3 other more modern phones (no apples).
>
>There's an Android OTG USB-C adapter for receiving ATSC digital TV
>broadcasts on Android phones and tablets. See
><https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GPB6VFX>. It comes with two antennas.
>
>This is detailed in the document
><<https://tinyurl.com/iOS-Android-Features> as 158a on page 66.
>
>I used to use Locast to watch TV on my laptop, and it was also available
>on Android and iOS, but Locast got shut down
><https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2021/09/locasts-free-tv-service-ordered-to-shut-down-permanently-after-copyright-loss/>.

I am in the Netherlands (Europe) and bought a Chinese DVB-T2 box last year
5 free digital local channels .
It feeds into my monitor via a HDMI switch, has an USB stick for record and a piece of wire as antenna...
I have a movable satellite dish on the south side of the house with something like 900 free to air TV channels
it is also a made in China, box has HDMI out and USB stick for recording,
And then I have a PCI satellite card in one of the PCs that can record to harddisk..
wrote the software for that myself, xdipo:
http://panteltje.com/panteltje/satellite/

No shortage of TV programs of information and different viewpoints here:-)
And no shortagte of countries, all of the world from Cuba to China to Middle East to Russia to CNN etc
https://en.kingofsat.net/

In article <t3mr8c$ldo$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

>
> On Android devices without an FM radio you can use an RTL-SDR receiver
> in the USB OTG port,see <https://us.amazon.com/dp/B07XPZMDZV>

'currently unavailable'.

it also requires a usb-c to usb-a adapter in addition to the radio
itself, making it rather clumsy to use.

there are fm receivers for ios, without the need for an adapter, such
as this one, which even adds an analog headphone jack:
<http://m.allputer.com/mobile.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=2086&zenid=7
95cab00853eb947a3d0b30e7088f2c7>

here's an older one for dock connector iphones:
<https://the-gadgeteer.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/griffin-ifm_01.jpg>

there are others.

On 2022-04-19 9:38 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 19/04/2022 16:14, Alan wrote:
>> On 2022-04-19 7:58 a.m., The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 19/04/2022 15:42, Alan wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-19 12:19 a.m., Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 23:01:04 -0700) it happened Alan
>>>>> <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote in <t3lj70$f8e$1@dont-email.me>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2022-04-18 10:56 p.m., Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>>>> On a sunny day (Mon, 18 Apr 2022 16:12:43 -0400) it happened nospam
>>>>>>> <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>>>>>>> <180420221612438873%nospam@nospam.invalid>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <t3kclh$18cc$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
>>>>>>>> <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The only reason Apple made the "courageous" decision to remove
>>>>>>>>> common
>>>>>>>>> industry standard hardware functionality that is found on
>>>>>>>>> almost all
>>>>>>>>> other devices.... is...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...is because very few people actually used an analog headphone
>>>>>>>> jack to
>>>>>>>> justify keeping it in a highly-space constrained device, such as a
>>>>>>>> phone, where that space could be better served for features that
>>>>>>>> benefit more people. also because it's redundant, because a more
>>>>>>>> functional option has existed alongside it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As somebody else already pointed out,
>>>>>>> the analog jack with cable is required for FM radio reception,
>>>>>>> the headphone lead in that case functions as antenna.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Since no iPhone ever had FM radio...
>>>>>
>>>>> Really?
>>>>> How bad, no radio in an emergency 'THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING HIDE
>>>>> UNDER THE TABLE AND LISTEN FOR 100.1MHz' sort of thing :-)
>>>>> 'No radio' is an other no-no to ever buy Apple,
>>>>> Sometimes there is good music on FM.
>>>>> I even have some Chinese old phone that could show analog TV when
>>>>> it was still here.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit.
>>> Inclined to agree. Whilst I-pods may have had VHF radio, no cellphone
>>> IOS or android has VHF hardware built in to best of my knowledge.
>>> I use 'radio over the internet' when out and about with mine
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> And while a good many phones do have FM as a feature, I would be a lot
>> of money that most people never use it or are even aware of it.
>
> Do they? I couldn't find a single example
>

FM? Sure. More than 1500 currently available.

<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=1>

But only 10 phones "coming soon" will have it.

<https://www.gsmarena.com/search.php3?chkFMradio=selected&sAvailabilities=2>

10 out of 25, so it's clearly a dying option.

In message <t3mohd$u0j$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
<tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>Do they? I couldn't find a single example
>

I just tried my Galaxy A5,and that worked as an FM radio (with data and
WiFi turned off). Not brilliant, but better than nothing. The
earphone/mic lead also acts as the aerial.

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On 2022-04-19, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <jc83vcF8ilsU3@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>>> the primary reason was to encourage the purchase of AirPods.
>>>
>>> that is absolutely false.
>>
>> Especially considering Apple included a set of Lightning headphones
>> in the box at the time. : )
>
> *and* they included a lightning adapter.

Yep, I still have my lightning adapter connected to my poor, lonely
wired earbuds that rarely ever actually get used.

> it's hard to encourage buying something new when *two* solutions are
> provided in the box.

sms is full of shit and trolling, as usual.

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Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> wrote:
> In message <t3mohd$u0j$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
> >Do they? I couldn't find a single example
> >
>
> I just tried my Galaxy A5,and that worked as an FM radio (with data and
> WiFi turned off). Not brilliant, but better than nothing. The
> earphone/mic lead also acts as the aerial.

My previous Huawei phones had FM radios and my current Samsung Galaxy
A51 has one as well.

I wish someone would sell FM radios, so I don't have to buy
smartphones all the time!

On 2022-04-19 12:04 p.m., Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Adrian <bulleid@ku.gro.lioff> wrote:
>> In message <t3mohd$u0j$1@dont-email.me>, The Natural Philosopher
>> <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes
>>> Do they? I couldn't find a single example
>>>
>>
>> I just tried my Galaxy A5,and that worked as an FM radio (with data and
>> WiFi turned off). Not brilliant, but better than nothing. The
>> earphone/mic lead also acts as the aerial.
>
> My previous Huawei phones had FM radios and my current Samsung Galaxy
> A51 has one as well.
>
> I wish someone would sell FM radios, so I don't have to buy
> smartphones all the time!

And where do you go that has FM coverage...

....but no cellular data?

On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:37:20 -0400
nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> In article <t3ml0s$2dt$1@dont-email.me>, Jan Panteltje
> <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Never use it, as analog TV is no longer transmitted here and I have 3
> > other more modern phones (no apples).
>
> the specs say 640x480 resolution, which is incredibly shitty.

However it is as good as you get for analogue TV.

--
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Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:37:20 -0400
> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article <t3ml0s$2dt$1@dont-email.me>, Jan Panteltje
> > <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Never use it, as analog TV is no longer transmitted here and I have 3
> > > other more modern phones (no apples).
> >
> > the specs say 640x480 resolution, which is incredibly shitty.
>
> However it is as good as you get for analogue TV.

Not to mention the 4.2" screen. But heh, never mind these 'details' if
your mission in life is to dispute everything and anything, no matter
what.

In article <20220419200055.ae2aaff2b49c197e0901147b@eircom.net>, Ahem A
Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:

> >
> > > Never use it, as analog TV is no longer transmitted here and I have 3
> > > other more modern phones (no apples).
> >
> > the specs say 640x480 resolution, which is incredibly shitty.
>
> However it is as good as you get for analogue TV.

and it's horrible when doing everything else other than tv.

it even looks shitty in a youtube video, which is quite an
accomplishment, and not in a good way.